1. avatar dolphinbastard
    oh yeah centre related bands getting to support every major act that comes to n ireland!!!
    last night was the latest example of how fking fixed the music scene in n ireland is for example the wonder villians a pop band and strongly connected to the oh yeah centre supporting madness a ska band @ belsonic and not just the belsonic festival its every other fking opportunity there is for a band to get noticed these oh yeah connected bands are all hogging the limelight
    i may just be paranoid or i may be right..debate please >>>
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  2. avatar dolphinbastard
    ps this is not a personal attack on the wonder villians more an attack on the dark forces pulling the strings of the local SCENE :evil:
  3. avatar flightstrip
    i think it would be naive NOT to realise that its who you know rather than how good you are.
    generally headline acts get to pick their support act rather than having one thrust upon them.
    ive seen some truly awful bands playing some great festivals and supporting some big name acts
    and,on the other hand,some amazing bands playing to a handful of people and bar staff!
    this is why it is important to get to know people such as agents,managers etc and to
    take every opportunity as it arises.
  4. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Band uses resources available to them to get good gigs.

    Other bands shocked that 'the bastards' aren't banging down their door demanding their genius.

    Fuck up and put the graft in. No one gets anywhere without hard work.







    Also, a local pop band supporting Madness is in no way ridiculous.
  5. avatar dolphinbastard
    who are you telling to fuck up im not talking about myself im talking about how fking warped the current music scene is although its actually a little better now your shite band has ceasesd so ps you fuck up colenso parade where the same yous supported the view in the mandella hall because you,s knew the right people end of..ya banger
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  6. avatar Zifor
    It really does depend on who you know. It is just how it is. Anyway big woop they get to play with the Madness. Good for them. Instead of getting annoyed about it why do you not try and get better contacts rather than slate other peoples hard work? I am not a fan of their music (just because it is not my own taste). I have seen them live however and they are easy to listen to and are good at what they do. If you are the best rock/pop/metal/jazz whatever band in the world and you are only practising at your house no one will care. If your music is truly good it will get out there eventually and be successful no matter the genre within that genre IF you have contacts AND are good.
  7. avatar dolphinbastard
    iv heard this try harder shit before get better contacts ect its all bullshit mate .. again im not on here in protest that my own band never got to play and they did ..its more about the entire scene in general of these puppetmasters getting their puppets onstage at every big event thats going...end of
  8. avatar Bileofwood
    So how should it work then? Should the entire scene be auditioned every time a band your ma has heard of plays a belfast gig?

    Not really getting the complaint here.
  9. avatar dolphinbastard
    the complaint is there should be more bands getting to play the big events and not just the same ones year in year out who are connected to the oh yeah centre !!!
  10. avatar flightstrip
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  11. avatar don sebestian
    well, thats me cutting our ties with the oh yeah charity. little did i know that by availing of their facilities, by practicing there, by meeting and talking to other musicians and bands there, by consulting the various resources and contacts freely available there, we were actually contributing to this dark and seedy mafioso's systematic ruination of local bands. And to think we just rang up and asked could we practice there!!!? or just walked in willy nilly!! OF OUR OWN ACCORD!!!!!!!!! WITHOUT ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON! i feel violated.
  12. avatar Strong Reaction
    Dolphin, play some gigs then come back and talk some fucking sense. Yes, some bands are connected with promotion agencies/have management/label support. That's the way it is, always has been, always will be. Either get off your arse and realise what you can do for yourself, or shut up.

    What shall we do, take away the Oh Yeah Centre and it's practice rooms, recording studio, and all-ages gigs? There are plenty of big promoters here who give more unknown bands a foot up in the world. I know because I've gratefully played some gigs at Mandela/Empire etc. With the likes of Belsonic the council would be asking for band suggestions, and something safe and which everyone will enjoy. Wonder Villains are not my kind of music but they would be a safe bet not to piss off/offend the majority of a crowd at Belsonic, which, let's face it, is mostly people who couldn't give a toss about the local 'scene' and just want to get pissed and go to an event once a year.

    Stop throwing your toys out of the pram. All you do on this site is whinge and promise to play shows which never happen. Sitting on your computer isn't going to get your music career anywhere.

    Wise up, or ship out.
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  13. avatar Cugel
    ^^^^

    So good, Don
  14. avatar dolphinbastard
    eh eh i think you will find we played aunt annies a few months ago to about twenty people it was well worth it i must say even got a shite review from heavy pettle some local guy whos into heavy metal came along and done the honours mark ashby his name was http://www.hevypetal.com/live-reviews/230/the-unprotected--oddsocks-revival--suicide-dolphin-bombers--echo-raptors .."punked up blur" was his verdict...as i said before twice infact im not throwing my toys out the pram in protest that my OWN BAND are not playing im merely puting my point across its the same bands who get all these big support slots now i dont know or care what band your in but if you using the oh yeah facilities and finding them useful thats great who knows you might be supporting the rolling stones next year at belsonic and as for saying most people dont care about who is playing well your wrong mate sorry !!
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  15. avatar Strong Reaction
    give us a kiss.
  16. avatar dolphinbastard
    x
  17. avatar MiltonG565
    *cough*

    the music industry in general is twisted. i was at work for 8 hours this morning, and EVERY song i heard on the radio, i could say was produced for one reason- to make money. big record labels dont care about feelings, or true talent, or what your music says about you, they want you to dance and look sexy, and the music comes after that, and the voices can be auto tuned. they make a fuck load from this, and it actually sadens me that the people on the radio dont realise how much they are being used to make some money. one hit wonders are just that because, they make one hit song, and everyone loses interest, so they stop making money, and the label throws them out like yesterdays paper. any band or person with genuine talent will not be an over-night success, or a one hit wonder, it will have taken years to build up the skills and talents required to record albums and finally get some serious air-time, which isnt just down to the fact that you have a recording contract. having said that, sex does indeed sell (main reason i dont watch music videos) so keep your eyes peeled for some person looking like a potato on MTV, and you know they will be absolutely brilliant.
  18. avatar Chuffola
    To be fair, Madness are just about as pop as you can get. Ska influenced, for sure, but pop to the max.

    Just sayin'
  19. avatar flightstrip
    its the music BUSINESS!!!if u intend to keep ur music to urself and never let anyone hear it thats fair enuf otherwise theres money involved.
    whether ur an original band chargin 3 quid in and trying to sell t shirts or a cover band playing weddings etc.
    money (whether u like it or not!) makes the world go round.
    2nite i shall put diesel in my van COSTS MONEY
    then drive to gig and sing like a cunt TO MAKE MONEY
    then put the cheque into my bank on monday TO PAY THE BILLS
    then use the remainder to record my own guff TO HOPEFULLY SELL ONE DAY.............TO MAKE MONEY.
    the trick is to do something u luv doing AND make money at it!!
  20. avatar dolphinbastard
    thats where music went wrong when it became a BUISNESS!
  21. avatar stuartlunn86
    but if that is where it went wrong then your argument dies. If you want to play just for the love of music, then playing at big festivals should not interest you. The point of your argument is based on the fact that you are pissed at people getting the bigger gig...... further up the ladder.... but that ladder is the business which you think is flawed......

    Not disagreeing with anything here, just that the last comment was somewhat *flawed*
  22. avatar MiltonG565
    sorry, i think i mis-communicated. what i meant was, most people that we hear on the radio and in the charts are a face, and a sales person, they dont necessarily have the talent required to be a musical success. but they still make a fuck tonne of money from the music industry. now most people here work hard on what they do, and do it well, yet they maybe dont make so much money from music as they should or would like to. im not against making a living from what you love, im just saying the buisness side of things is upside down.
  23. avatar punkvsmetal
    Hard working bands get the good shows, Sorry that's the way it is. Gaining contacts is as hard a job as writing the songs.
  24. avatar stuartlunn86
    Well said
  25. avatar whipchorus
    [quote:7dad739361]sex does indeed sell (main reason i dont watch music videos) so keep your eyes peeled for some person looking like a potato on MTV, and you know they will be absolutely brilliant.[/quote:7dad739361]

    Not entirely true. Ed Sheeran looks like a potato (with red stuff coming out of the top) and he's fucking terrible.
  26. avatar whipchorus
    Actually I take that back. Just seen him cover the entire 'L'Eau Rouge' album by the Young Gods at V Festival. In your face Miquita/Grimmers
  27. avatar Down By Law
    [quote:3b8df8da13]oh yeah centre related bands getting to support every major act that comes to n ireland!!!
    last night was the latest example of how fking fixed the music scene in n ireland is for example the wonder villians a pop band and strongly connected to the oh yeah centre supporting madness a ska band @ belsonic and not just the belsonic festival its every other fking opportunity there is for a band to get noticed these oh yeah connected bands are all hogging the limelight
    i may just be paranoid or i may be right..debate please >>>[/quote:3b8df8da13]

    [img:3b8df8da13]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/The_Old_Man_and_the_Key.png[/img:3b8df8da13]
  28. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    When you say 'strongly connected' to the Oh Yeah and 'Oh Yeah related bands' what exactly do you mean? The last time I checked, Oh Yeah wasn't an elitist secret club- the resources are open to everybody who wants them, are they not?

    What's stopping you from going down there, getting to know how it works, who the people are and how they can help you? They've always been great for anything I've been involved in.

    In regards to us supporting The View, I seem to recall practising very hard, trying to improve all aspects of the band in order to be even considered for gigs like that. You get nothing without hard work, despite what your 'DLA superstar' song would suggest.


    [img]http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=24857,filename=stonecutter.jpg[/img]
    [i:2dc7178339]Stuart Bailie, yesterday.[/i:2dc7178339]
  29. avatar MiltonG565
    of course it takes hard work. anybody would be a fool to think that it took anything less than your best and hardest work to become a household name.

    on the whole sex sells thing- susan boyle isnt blessed with good looks (not to be offensive) but she has been blessed with a brilliant voice. the lady can sing, and as far as i can think, she is the only person to come from britains got talent or the Xfactor who isnt good looking or cool. ollie murs, as i have pointed out many times when seeing him perform on the tv, cannot sing. well, thats not fair, he can sing a fair bit, but i still hear him off key far too many times for a professional singer. but ladies love him, and he is percieved as cool, so he has his job in the music industry and makes more money than say, a painter who sings fantastically.

    also, in recording, i think you should be able to do everything you put on your CD in a live setting. if you cant record a song from start to finish, and have to edit a load of bits and paste other bits in, i dont think its fair to say that you did that, because how could you do that live without making those mistakes?

    im going to start recording some stuff for my own benefit, but the idea is that i have the song 98% correct, and can use one recording, instead of having to cutand paste loads together to get one perfect version. thats just fake. its like spam.
  30. avatar Sass
    [quote:0e2219fe90]i think you should be able to do everything you put on your CD in a live setting. if you cant record a song from start to finish, and have to edit a load of bits and paste other bits in [/quote:0e2219fe90]

    Brian Wilson from the beach boys was the king of cut and paste when making records, Phil Spector always gives him jib over it. And also look at the Stone Roses, Ian brown cant sing for shit live yet they made great records.

    Your point is flawed lol
  31. avatar MiltonG565
    no my point isnt flawed, my point was, you should have to rely on technology to make you good, and the sad fact is that most of the music that is popular now is doing exactly that, with no real talent. the most talented person there would be the engineer, for make some of those god-awful singers sound good! and more to the point- i would expect any band to record something, and then perform it at least as good, but preferably better live. if they cant do that, then what they created in the studio was false. it was alot of different recordings that had a few good parts edited into one "perfect" master track.

    like i said- spam. (unfortunatly, people still like spam)
  32. avatar flightstrip
    miltons absolutely right.ian brown etc have just been lucky to have gotten away with it for so long!
    if u cant sing it live then dont fekkin record it.i have been witness to so called singers being recorded one word at a time.
    total face palm!
  33. avatar Clements
    It's not a fair world, so you may have to overcome the odds...

    Recording and producing a record is different to performing live, and although they have some overlapping skills, they should be treated differently.

    What would you say is an acceptable level of reliance on technology? Digital recording... Electronic tuners... Frets...

    Actually for a musician to abandon all technological developments from the last 100 years or so could be quite interesting... but probably more pretentious than authentic.
  34. avatar flightstrip
    no ones saying abandon technology.technology is great..........just be able to actually sing b4 even considering set foot in a studio!!
    its ironic that antares autotune,which was brought out to help tuneless singers,is so popular on so many records!!lol
    back to the original thread,i think norn iron is better with the oh yeah centre than without.theres no conspiracy scotty;)
  35. avatar MiltonG565
    [quote:88cc338d12]What would you say is an acceptable level of reliance on technology? Digital recording... Electronic tuners... Frets...

    Actually for a musician to abandon all technological developments from the last 100 years or so could be quite interesting... but probably more pretentious than authentic.
    [/quote:88cc338d12]

    If you read what i wrote, and think about it- i stated that nobody making a living from music should be reliant on technology to make them good, i wasnt saying get a plank and tie a string at either end.

    almost every piece of technology is acceptable (with the exception of autotune), but it is how it is used that isnt acceptable. in the same way that it is perfectly to have a set of knives in your house, but you still cant stab anyone with them.
  36. avatar Cugel
    Why is autotune not acceptable? The standard of tuning and intonation in recorded work is much more exacting than in live work. Many singers can sing well enough for live work - get a few notes slightly off and no one will notice or mind. Put that same performance in a recording where the same thing is listened to over and over again and what would pass live becomes a noticeable problem. An engineer can fix it with a few mouse clicks or the artist can redo the take several times. You can piece together a performance from multiple takes or you can correct one almost perfect take. Use the tools available.
  37. avatar gub
    I think dolphin is tryin to point out that everyone who is not attached to 'oh yeah' is finding it harder to get a turn. tough you say, but i think he means that every band from all sides of this town can't queue up to get a go in oh yeah, and all the other practice rooms/studios tryin to make an honest shilling can go to hell. He sees it as abuse of privilege.
    I know a few bands in this town who get excellent gigs who are shite! they just know someone..... that's life.
  38. avatar Nature*Boy
    [quote:1576ed8b23]Why is autotune not acceptable?[/quote:1576ed8b23]

    Because it allows suits to sell models as musicians.

    [img:1576ed8b23]http://www.american-breakfast-cereals.co.uk/images/products/ABC075_popTarts_frostedStrawberry.jpg[/img:1576ed8b23]
  39. avatar Cugel
    [quote:1a8802049f]Because it allows suits to sell models as musicians.[/quote:1a8802049f]

    Ok - but that isn't the fault of autotune.

    but then I'll stop because this will get into one of those "guns don't kill people, people kill people" type of arguments.
  40. avatar Clements
    I think on reflection that I was just in an argumentative mood earlier.
  41. avatar MiltonG565
    [quote:5a8128698c]I think on reflection that I was just in an argumentative mood earlier.[/quote:5a8128698c]

    lol, it was kinda obvious. you were right untill a point.

    [quote:5a8128698c]What would you say is an acceptable level of reliance on technology? Digital recording... Electronic tuners... Frets...[/quote:5a8128698c]

    this is where it went wrong...
  42. avatar Clements
    Are you trying to suggest that digital recording, electronic tuning and frets are where we started to go wrong?!?!?!

    Joke.
  43. avatar MiltonG565
    thats exactly right. imagine how good guitars would be without frets.
  44. avatar tenrabbits
    ahh fastfude, how I've missed you..
  45. avatar FlashII
    I know this post has veered off topic but on the issue of studio "trickery", this has been wide spread since The Beatles etc experimented with multitracking. All of our favourite records have been manipulated in the studio to produce a great finished record. Steve Albini takes it to the other extreme - sets up mics, presses record and barely even uses digital reverb, eq and compression. In my opinion, I think it's okay to comp vocal and drum takes, use beat detective or quantize - on the proviso that the band sound awesome when they play shows. The Foo Fighters used all these tricks while recording certain albums but they're still ultra-tight live. I suppose it comes down to having a great band and using the tools to make a perfect recording, rather than a "pop tart" and using the tools to make them listenable?
  46. avatar ohmessylife
    [img:942c592420]http://www.penguinbomb.com/baww.jpg[/img:942c592420]
  47. avatar faggotassjohnston
    My first post!
    This thread is full of ass lickers - the Oh Yeah Centre is corrupt to the core.

    "We're a charity" - yeah right
  48. avatar savagebilliards
    I am just a bit confused as to what exactly makes you an 'oh yeah related band'? (actually not sure). By all means though you are correct that it can be done yourself. I feel our band has done grand doing it ourselves for years and am very happy doing it this way..but maybe if we didnt do it DIY we would do better...who knows? What I do know though is that regardless of whether you have an agent/management or you are DIY, to get anywhere you gotta work at it!

    edit: just realised the same question was asked already. I got melted half way through and skim-read the rest.
  49. avatar Nature*Boy
    [quote:932395945e]on the issue of studio "trickery", this has been wide spread since The Beatles etc experimented with multitracking[/quote:932395945e]

    Yeah, and that's cool. I do appreciate creative and imaginative studio wizardry. Though it's a whole different culture in the suit-driven, digitally produced pop music of today in comparison to the musician-led, analog experiments of yesteryear.

    [quote:932395945e][i:932395945e]All[/i:932395945e] of our favourite records have been manipulated in the studio to produce a great finished record[/quote:932395945e]

    Hmm, dunno about that one. Out of my top 100 albums I'd say there's very little, if any. Mind you, my top 100 might not be typical of ff.

    [quote:932395945e]I think it's okay to comp vocal and drum takes, use beat detective or quantize - on the proviso that the band sound awesome when they play shows[/quote:932395945e]

    Aye, in most popular styles I can live with that, though in the likes of classical and jazz that just doesn't cut it.

    [quote:932395945e]I suppose it comes down to having a great band and using the tools to make a perfect recording, rather than a "pop tart" and using the tools to make them listenable?[/quote:932395945e]

    Yeah, that's it. 'Tis worth a discussion, apart from this hackneyed bollocks.

    *cue new thread*