Some of the press have described it as a giant iPhone, which reminded me inescapably of this:
I think you're right that it will find a niche. Hard to see it being more than that, but then I'm clueless about gadgets and what makes people want them.
Spec wise, it's a lot less powerful than even a very cheap netbook, but it does have that touch-screen and a user interface properly designed for it. Plus there will be about a gazillion apps to download.
[quote:096d2256f6="fastfude"]It appears to be a giant iPod Touch. I have said iPod Touch, and use it daily.
It's a great PDA, music player, email client and shoe horn, but a hand-sized device quickly runs up against physical limits for things like reading, watching, interacting by touch. [/quote:096d2256f6]
I also have an iPod touch (it's what I'm using to type this)and I think it's just brilliant. I really can't see the need for a bigger one. The advantage of the touch is that it's so mobile and does everything you need to do while on a bus or in a car or generally not close to a desktop computer. If I had an I pad I wouldn't use it on the move cause I have my pocket sized iPod and wouldn't use it in the house or in work cause that's where the desktop is. I'm sure it's great and all but I just don't see the gap it's filling. Having said that, it's probably class for epic trips to the crapper.
[quote:a3551ecc07="fastfude"][quote:a3551ecc07]The browser can't even play flash for crying out loud![/quote:a3551ecc07]
Good! The damn thing eats batteries, crashes and is a bane to the web! Also, see this excellent piece on [url=http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash]Apple, Adobe and Flash[/url].[/quote:a3551ecc07]I loathe and detest Flash, but I have it on my computer, because there's loads of stuff on the Internet using it.
That guy praises Apple for preferring patented H.264 over proprietary Flash, but the difference seems pretty narrow to me. (I seem to remember that Apple were one of the vested interests who torpedoed a free and open video codec for HTML5.)
The real reason Apple is opposed to Flash is because if it was fully implemented on iPhone, say, it would break at least their control over good user interface practice; and possibly provide a route to security exploits.
[quote:95e30e2f66="Recycled Alien"]That guy praises Apple for preferring patented H.264 over proprietary Flash, but the difference seems pretty narrow to me.[/quote:95e30e2f66]
I tend to agree, but there was some debate on this very point a while ago:
Intereting as those numbers are, I probably should have said I wanted a fuller picture of it's capabilities, rather than spec. Entirely my fault, I do apologise, and thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[quote:ea7af611c8]iPad fills a gap in the market that doesn't even exist[/quote:ea7af611c8]
This I agree with, but I'm waiting to see what the 3rd party devs come up with. The iPhone owes a big part of its success to them.[/quote:ea7af611c8]
I'm thinking about possible music interfaces that could be created with it
a touch screen mixer for example, or some strange midi controller taking advantage of the larger touch screen.
When I seen it I also thought whats the point in this.
Just seems like a massive iphone, from what I've read only app store applications install on it, thats ok for a mobile phone but as a $500 computer of sorts its not really helpful. The 3G feature I heard will have to be taken on as a data plan which means monthly payments, there is no USB so you can't use a current 3G dongle, really?
And the continuation with the lack of flash is ridiculous. Prob just repeating what other people said, I just skimmed through most.
the only market i see this going for is the e-reader market. which makes sense if it is the case. when compared with a kindle/sony book thing, this will probably win out with the extra connectivity features, despite the larger price tag.
but if it is aimed at this market, why make it that big? why not make it with a fully featured os? i mean the book type functionality is just software after all. and your competitors will and do already have designs on tablet pc's with windows 7.
the difference between this and an iphone, was that an iphone had an out of the box functionality that users needed, surfing the net&making calls etc, where as this seems to serve no purpose that isnt already fulfilled. its waiting for someone to give it purpose, rather than solve a problem.
[quote:8cc785bc3b="thesacredhearts"]the only market i see this going for is the e-reader market. which makes sense if it is the case. when compared with a kindle/sony book thing, this will probably win out with the extra connectivity features, despite the larger price tag.
I've got a Kindle, and they're brilliant. The main reason why is that e-ink screen, and I think that's why a significant proportion of people buy them. At the end of the day I think this iBookstore thing is just being tacked on.
There are similar tablets coming out in 2010: mostly powered by the same sort of arrangement as this iPad (Tegra 2, basically) running Android. In addition you've got things like the HP Slate coming out, running full Windows 7.
[quote:9ea90dcfae]mostly powered by the same sort of arrangement as this iPad[/quote:9ea90dcfae]
None are - Apple made the iPad CPU themselves.
edit: or [url=http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/apples-a4-is-an-arm-based-system-on-a-chip-a-la-tegra-2/]may not have[/url] after all (hat-tip my-angel-rocks).
[quote:9ea90dcfae="Nocarsgo"]running full Windows 7[/quote:9ea90dcfae]
This keeps coming up. What use is that on a non-laptop device with no mouse or user-exposed filesystem? If you need a desktop OS, buy a desktop computer, surely?
The best OS interface I'm aware of for this type of device is iPhone OS. Windows (and OS X for that matter) would be awful to try and use on a finger-driven tablet interface.
[quote:37fc674ec1="Nocarsgo"]I've got a Kindle, and they're brilliant. The main reason why is that e-ink screen, and I think that's why a significant proportion of people buy them. At the end of the day I think this iBookstore thing is just being tacked on.[/quote:37fc674ec1]
The e-ink screen is fantastic technology, and is much better for reading off than the ipad's screen and has a much better battery life too.
[quote:37fc674ec1]There are similar tablets coming out in 2010: mostly powered by the same sort of arrangement as this iPad (Tegra 2, basically) running Android. In addition you've got things like the HP Slate coming out, running full Windows 7.[/quote:37fc674ec1]
Well, Windows 7 UI sucks on touchscreen, because its not designed for that.
[quote:37fc674ec1="fastfude"] As a future face-saver, it's worth remembering the famous Slashdot reaction to the original iPod release[/quote:37fc674ec1]
Two things on that
a) Its slashdot, a haven for complete morons (and I include CmdrTaco in that)
b) The original iPod was pretty crap, especially compared to the competition. It sold well enough to encourage them to make newer versions, and it did get better, but the reason it got that initial push was the trendy people who bought it cos it looked better than the competition (which, having used one is truely impressive...)
Is this thing good or not, I don't know. I don't really like how it looks, I'm disappointed that the only UI they could come up with seems to be a larger ipod with a dock and a background, although I don't know what I was expecting. Like Rog says, it depends on the apps that get written. I can think of a few (non-music) related ones that could be good for it (sadly I'm contractually unable to write them, or at least, unable to write and distribute), and certain situations that it would be great for. People who are thinking this is meant to replace a phone or a laptop/netbook are I think missing the point.
[quote:036a7dd937="my-angel-rocks"]The e-ink screen is fantastic technology, and is much better for reading off than the ipad's screen and has a much better battery life too.[/quote:036a7dd937]
See - I disagree entirely.. the battery life is great, but the refresh on e-ink is a complete pain in the arse, and drops me out of the narrative of a book right away. It's too slow and obtrusive. They're working on it though, so once that's sorted it'll be a lot better. The thing that would make it an instant killer app for me would be if you could flick the page like finger gestures in OSX. I have a feeling reading a book on the iPad will be a much more pleasurable experience, but the battery life will kill it.
[quote:1c2560e97b="tenrabbits"][the refresh on e-ink is a complete pain in the arse, and drops me out of the narrative of a book right away.[/quote:1c2560e97b]
See, I agree, that is annoying, but what I meant by it being better for reading is that the ipad screen refreshes at 60hz, whereas the e-ink screen has no refresh rate. that 60hz is only perceptible subliminally, but it makes our eyes tired (which makes reading harder), whereas the e-ink screen is just like reading a book, there is no flicker. Other advantages the e-ink stuff has is that the viewing angle is great and it works in bright sunlight.
There's a reason book readers weren't overly popular before e-ink technology, and thats because LCD screens just aren't good for reading from.
[quote:1c2560e97b]I have a feeling reading a book on the iPad will be a much more pleasurable experience, but the battery life will kill it.[/quote:1c2560e97b]
There's no way the iPad can compete with e-ink on battery life :) Now, I'm not saying the ipad doesn't have advantages over e-ink stuff for book reading, colour and being able to annotate the book easily, but for reading comfort the e-ink stuff wins.
but I don't see the iPad as a book reader replacement.
[quote:6abdd06e86="Recycled Alien"]When they say "no multitasking" in iPhone OS, does that literally mean that you can't, say, listen to music while you browse the Internet?[/quote:6abdd06e86]
No. it means you can only have one application running at once.
Music is played by a system daemon. So basically, you start itunes, it tells the music daemon to play something, you close itunes and the music continues as you open the web browser.
[quote:f8967e08de="my-angel-rocks"][quote:f8967e08de="tenrabbits"][the refresh on e-ink is a complete pain in the arse, and drops me out of the narrative of a book right away.[/quote:f8967e08de]
See, I agree, that is annoying, but what I meant by it being better for reading is that the ipad screen refreshes at 60hz, whereas the e-ink screen has no refresh rate. that 60hz is only perceptible subliminally, but it makes our eyes tired (which makes reading harder), whereas the e-ink screen is just like reading a book, there is no flicker. Other advantages the e-ink stuff has is that the viewing angle is great and it works in bright sunlight.[/quote:f8967e08de]
Here - now this is just wrong. 60Hz is not perceptible at all, and the only reason that Americans used to claim our TV was flickery (which in fact it is - if you have an old tube telly turn it upside down and you'll see the flicker, it's just that our brains filtered it out years ago!) was because it's interlaced, so it's actually only 25frames per sec, which is visible due to persistence of vision. Tube tellys had the issue of long term viewing added to because of the way they work, in that each pixel essentially flickers as it gets hit by an electron. This idea is a holdover from the old days of tube telly!
You are quite right about the sunlight issue though, although the viewing angle is a bit of a red herring as how often do you read a book held at a funny angle?!
[quote:c6446781ae="Recycled Alien"]When they say "no multitasking" in iPhone OS, does that literally mean that you can't, say, listen to music while you browse the Internet?[/quote:c6446781ae]
No, but multitasking is strictly off-limits to 3rd party apps for stability and performance reasons. Apple's own apps do it though (such as your example of browsing and playing music).
3rd party apps can make use of Push notifications though, such as the Facebook app alerting you to new FB messages without being open.
[quote:827dde63fa="my-angel-rocks"]Incidently, Ron has been very quiet. Has he been in an Apple induced coma at the thought of this?[/quote:827dde63fa]
Akshully, my internet broke yesterday (Stoopid Virgin) so my ability to digitally stamp my feet has been hampered.
However, a kind donation of a 3 MiFi and I'm up and, well, walking.
iPad - I can see how I'd enjoy owning one, especially if I was a commuter or heavy traveller. I'm not though, so it's harder to justify it.
It COULD be the greatest mobile gaming platform ever. It POSSIBLY could be the saviour of the comics industry if certain people can get their acts together before there is a format war on that front.
They certainly seem to have a great handle on how one interacts with a device like this, and have re-designed the Apple iWork suite in a total WowGoshNice way - I wouldn't mind having a wee go a typing a letter on it to see what it feels like though.
The main thing though is that I honestly believe the significance of the iPad is yet to be fully realised. How many of us have people in our lives who need a computer, but don't need A COMPUTER, ie all they need is something that fulfils a few key functions in life - internet, watching stuff, photos, email, typing the odd letter, date book... but they've no interest in dealing with anti-virus, file-systems, boot-times, video-editing, zip-files... basically all the things that the average computer does OK, but someone like my Ma has zero need for.
This, and things like it, is the device for them. For EVERYONE. Sure, you can do a lot of this on an iPhone, but the increased screen real estate will make it a more pleasurable experience.
Once Google's Chrome OS comes out I predict you'll see a lot of people essentially having the same sort of thing on a Netbook - a thing for getting on the net and doing a handful of non-processor-intensive tasks.
If you need to write a lot of code, it's probably not for you.
If you need to record a podcast and edit it, it's probably not for you.
If you need to write a quick email, check facebook, watch a movie, browse the BBC news site then play a game of Peggle in Hi Def... it MIGHT just be for you.
So, them's my thoughts. I want one, but mainly because it looks like it could be a GREAT comics reader and movie player on the go, with lots of gorgeous UI features.
But then you all knew I'd say that, didn't you?
Wait and see - this time next year, Netbooks will start to disappear, and tablets will be the thing for on the go use.
One year on and the thing none of us could quite understand the point of, has become Apple's most successful product and is turing a lot of things upside down. Think I'll be buying the iPad2 on day one.
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The education uses are awe-inspiring. I challenge anyone not to blub reading [url=http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ipad+autism]the stories of kids with autism[/url] finding an outlet for expression in the iPad. Hype and marketing aside, this is the kind of thing that they didn't plan for but happened given the opportunity: http://speirs.org/blog/tag/theipadproject
Also, I'm pleased to be prove wrong on my point about using it as a recording device - that GarageBand app is sheer brilliance. It's as if it was always meant to be operated in that fashion. Same goes for iMovie.
I really, really want one now, but I'm a poor peasant.
[quote:537558004f]I challenge anyone not to blub reading the stories of kids with autism finding an outlet for expression in the iPad. Hype and marketing aside, this is the kind of thing that they didn't plan for but happened given the opportunity...[/quote:537558004f]
This I do not like.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for expression, it's the marketing use of Autism that fucks me off so much I want to touch the wall seventeen times.
[quote:4630508537="me, a year ago, in a moment of lucidity"]I'm thinking about possible music interfaces that could be created with it[/quote:4630508537]
I thank you. I believe my royalty cheque from Steve Jobs is in the post.
[quote:4630508537="me, still lucid"][quote:4630508537="someone"] In addition you've got things like the HP Slate coming out, running full Windows 7.[/quote:4630508537]
Well, Windows 7 UI sucks on touchscreen, because its not designed for that.[/quote:4630508537]
Having a Windows 7 tablet on my desk, I can tell you that I was completely right on this point as well. The Win7 tablet experience is incredibly bad. An anecdotal review:
First boot, you get dropped to the standard win7 setup utility, with time setting spinboxes that are literally the size of a pen nib. Impossible to control with your fingers. So, fuck setting time I'm only testing it out. Get through the setup, including setting up a user account, and get dropped to the standard Win7 desktop. play around with it a bit, and decide to shut the thing down. 4 minutes later and its still spinning on the shutting down screen. So I just turn it off.
Second boot: "Windows did not shut down properly: Entering safe mode in 10 seconds" count down happens and 10 seconds later we're booting to safe mode. A dialog appears on the screen "Windows did not shut down properly. Would you like Windows to run a disk scan to check for damaged files? [Yes] [No]" Which is pretty crap user experience from a conceptual perspective, but as the touchscreen drivers haven't been loaded yet so I can't press the buttons and every time I reboot the same thing happens, as a normal user, I would have thought that my brand new tablet was broken within 10 minutes of me opening the box.
In short: Win7 on tablet, just say no.
My opinion on the iPad2 is that its a game changing release and cements Apple as the market leader in the tablet space which I can't see any other manufacturer being able to usurp. I'll probably be explaining it to people in private at every opportunity.
My girlfriend has an ipad2 and only through continued use have I come to realise how brilliant they are. Garageband is superb - maybe not for producing finished tracks but certainly for lazily sketching out quick ideas. There is so much potential for it over the next few years - especially in terms of music. It's completely won me over.
The only gripe is the oft mentioned backlight bleed. She's taking hers back to the store when there's better stock levels but its not something that overly bothers either of us - even in dark rooms.
I have one now and I'm also fairly smitten by it. My main motivation for owning one was to read more. I am forever [url=http://www.instapaper.com/]instapapering[/url] things I want to come back to, but until now haven't had a 'nice' way to lounge on the sofa of a weekend and actually read it all. Now I do, and the attention to detail in how they've made that experience work is great.
Watching [url=http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/bbc-iplayer/id416580485?mt=8]iPlayer[/url]/[url=http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/ted/id376183339?mt=8]TED[/url]/iTunes films is also surprisingly good, especially in non-living room setups (ie in bed, cooking, garden, cafe, what have you). Image and sound quality is excellent and the foldable smart-covers are very handy as a display stand.
My only gripe to date is that some of my iPhone apps don't have a native iPad version (I'm looking at you, Skype), though presumably developers need a bit of catch-up time.
(no backlight problems here though - screen seems flawless)
I've ordered one of these bad boys myself, though it'll be a few weeks before it arrives - hopefully with no backlight issues :S . It seems perfect for what I'm after, casual net browsing, playing silly games etc. I love the fact you get around 10 hours battery and the screen wakes up instantly when you remove the smart cover. So you can just pick it up and you're ready to rock i.e. no fartin about with boot up times.
I read a statement from Propellerhead, regarding a possible version of Reason for iPad. That's a tastey prospect for me, even if it is stripped down to some degree. Although Garageband does look excellent as a multitracker, to be fair.
Didn't Damon Albarn use the first iPad to write a Gorillas album? I wonder how he went about it.