1. avatar Clements
    In today's society music is big business, and through technology it's easier to get in on the ground floor than ever before. I mean think about it, you buy an apple Mac... get some pirate recording software, a preamp & a condenser microphone off eBay, and you're ready to record a few tunes. Get a photograph, touch it up with some pirated software, stick it on your new myspace, and arrange with CD Baby or somebody to distribute digital downloads; you then get 91%ish of every download sold. You send your stuff into a few radio stations, sign up to imro and sit online adding friends 'till someone buys something.

    That's the business side at an overly simplified, but affectionately tongue in cheek level.

    There are other ways to get people's attention with your music itself. There are formulas for potential success, follow them religiously and repeatedly and you'll probably have at least some minor success.

    However be warned, following such formulas will make you potentially very uncool, or potentially very cool depending on the perspective of the listener, the choice of formula and the apparent authenticity with which it is delivered.

    So is music these days just all about being cool and making money, or is it something purer/bigger than that?
  2. avatar fastfude
    No and no. You're confusing Entertainment and Music there. Two different things.
  3. avatar Daveitferris
    I pretty much do what you mention above. In terms of a laptop / condenser and im good to go.

    I dont know if i misunderstood your post, so dont take this the wrong way. But with musicians now recording at home (like myself), am i 'cool'? Or did you mean another facet of the industry?

    I dont do it to be 'cool' or to make money. I do it for the sheer passion of writing (not even playing) Music. i have no delusions of grandeur that i'll ever 'make it'.

    I think it's amazing to be able to get quality songs, in your home, with just a few bits of kit.

    My old tascam and me havent been speaking since 05'
  4. avatar thesacredhearts
    Pirate software? On a mac?
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  7. avatar rl-vl
    [quote:7e693e71e9="Daveitferris"]My old tascam and me havent been speaking since 05'[/quote:7e693e71e9]

    Sell us it sure.
  8. avatar T Entertainment
    Remember the FF benefit gig for this guy?
  9. avatar Clements
    I'm by no means suggesting that we should be aiming to be "cool", neither am I commenting on whether or not home recording would make anyone "cool" or not. I also think it's great to be able to be creative and expressive with a few bits of kit, and I do a bit myself. I'm not sure I really made myself clear enough, there are formulas to writting popular music, rather than the recording process.

    The questions rolling around my head are things like:

    If recording facilities are now so easily accessible, should this not fuel a surge in creative, imaginative, if not NEW music? Most of the stuff I'm hearing comming from such sourses is extremely generic. Now I'm not trying to suggest to any level that I'm immune to these mindsets, I'm just wondering... why?

    Why is it that bands that sound a bit like a famous band tend to look a bit like them, or dress like them, or write about similar stuff?

    Manufactured Pop is created with the sole purpose of making money. But it's not really "cool" to be in Steps or whatever, but it was pretty "cool" to be in Pearl Jam. Creed then came out, "expressing themselves" in an extremely similar fashion to Pearl Jam, and for a time, believe it or not, in some parts of the world were considered etremely cool.

    Why do you think bands make music? Does it go beyond business success and social status? Is there a spiritual element? Just interested in people's views.
  10. avatar Clements
    [quote:1d50dd2225="fastfude"]No and no. You're confusing Entertainment and Music there. Two different things.[/quote:1d50dd2225]

    Have to say though, that's a very interesting comment. Now don't get me wrong, I'm really not looking to offend anybody, I'm just interested.

    Music can be entertaining, and certainly music concerts can be a real specticle. So what in your opinion is it that seperates music from entertainment?
  11. avatar zebulon
    [quote:6f41b0b83b="Clements"]Music can be entertaining, and certainly music concerts can be a real specticle. So what in your opinion is it that seperates music from entertainment?[/quote:6f41b0b83b]I have the feeling the answer may be in the perception that that thing called "entertainment" is an end in itself, an "amusement", etc., whereas that which is referred to "music" is perceived as more than simply itself, but a vehicle for further content and deeper levels of meaning, expression or communication.

    But I'm just guessing.
  12. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    Think of a cirle and a cross (OX), the sound 'ocks', a mental image af a wildebeast with huge flat horns, and finally, whatever symbolic meaning you've attached to bull-like animals. Map all that stuff over the top of each other and you have an ox.
  13. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:22d7029000="rinky"][img:22d7029000]http://www.graphpaper.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/the_manual.gif[/img:22d7029000][/quote:22d7029000] Was thinking that myself...
  14. avatar SangByFire[Mick]
    Not really sure what you were getting at but I think I get the gist.

    Not everyone is a 'muso'. People largely don't want to hear things that challenge their perception of music, or are too big a change from what they're used to. The reason that there are so many generic bands is because not everyone is ready from some mental swedish grindcore with a child screaming into a bowl of cornflakes whilst being molested by a judge. People like the same key changes, chord progressions that they've been hearing since they were no age. It's pretty much a conservative business at the end of the day.

    Don't get me wrong, there are fads, but it's all essentially going to follow the same repetitive loop. When musicians can use the tools to comment on the world as they perceive it at the time, it tends not to be as mind numbingly boring. It’s rare but it happens.

    Probably a bit off topic but you're 'cool/uncool' argument really threw me off.
  15. avatar tinpot anto
    Idiots like to be "entertained"

    This is the definition, by any standards.