1. avatar ensemblemaniac
    Am thinking of getting a drum-kit made of something other than wood.What are the highs & lows of having a non-wooden drum-kit when,it comes to micing? 'Bonhams Ludwig vistalite was made of fibre glass & sounded magic.I'd like a kit made of coper with 8,10,12,14,16" toms & an 18x18" kick drum once I've got got a good piccolo snare,say 13x3.Pork pie also make fibre glass drums.Does anyone here have a kit that ain't wooden?Or have any knowledege of such kits?Also,if say I had a 'Bonham kit or a kit that wasn't made of wood,would I need some sort of device to protect its' material from the damp climates of a garage?Ya know some sort of a heat conditioner?Or would it be best to keep it in cases when not in use?Post links,contact deatils,sound clips if possible
  2. avatar greensleevesisgod
    Carl Palmer of ELP had a stainless steel kit made once. When the kit was stored in it's cases, the thing weighed a tonne. It took a few men to lift the bass drum.

    ELP had to cancel a concert cause the weight of the kit colapsed the stage!

    So, beware metal kits!! :rollin

    (Ringo Starr now owns it
  3. avatar ChaosInEden
    Honestly, don't waste your money on a non-wooden kit, you'll regret it and it will never have the warmth that wooden kits will give you (that is unless you have a few grand to throw about).
    You're better investing in a high end custom kit built by the likes of Ayotte, DW, Orange County, etc.
    There is another guy who builds custom shell packs goes under the name richmo, who does big size drums like bonham and they got a great review. I think it was just under 1200 for the kit - snare(14 by 8 £280)/two toms (18 by 15 £280 and 13 by 9 £230)/bass drum(26 by 16 £360).
    Thats just the kit that was reviewed, obviously you can order custom drums from him.

    Snarewise, I've been using a piccolo snare, 13 by 3", for a couple of years as my main snare drum and thats only because I can't afford a decent snare drum like a 5 by 14 or 6 1/2 by 14.
    Their sound, like that of a non wooden kit, are specialised and not really suited to overall purposes.

    Ultimately its personal opinion, but you may want to get advice from other drummers from forums,etc try places like mikedolbear.com and drummerworld.com as I think they have forums where you can post your thoughts.

    The other thing is it can be quite an expensive mistake spending all that money on something you'll not get to try out until its built.
  4. avatar blackdog
    Bonham also lined inside his kick with tinfoil, so you could buy a wooden kit and do that if you really wanted that hard edge sound.
  5. avatar peasant*in*paradise
    personally, i think non-wooden drums sound like shit. wood-wise, i find maple the best.

    if you're looking for an edgier/darker sound why not try birch?

    experimenting with skins/tuning/sticks, i've found, can completely change the sound of your drums.
  6. avatar blackdog
    Trick have a new aluminium drum kit out which is an absolute beauty if you can afford the £4000 they tend to cost - [url]http://www.trickdrums.com[/url]

    My drumming pals were drooling o'er them - played by some top names.
  7. avatar Avarimusic
    Birch will actually make the sound a lot brighter and cutting, not darker.
    Mahogany will add a tremendous amount of bottom end to a kit often giving it a darker sound.
    I have to agree with peasant in paradise about maple, an absolutely tremendous wood for drums, really rich, resonant and warm,especially if you get a thin shelled Maple drum . My Pearl Masterworks toms are 3 ply maple with an outer ply of Bubinga and they're sweet as hell. The only trade off with 4ply shells (with Pearl anyway) is that they insist on adding reinforcement rings which enhance the midrange presence, but they still sound great.
  8. avatar all-is-vanity
    Avari, What is mid range presence?!
  9. avatar Avarimusic
    If you divide the way we hear sounds of instruments into Bass, middle and high frequencies, a mid range boost will result in "middle" frequencies being boosted. Generally this is a good thing for live use since it'll give the drums more cut and presence.
    As mentioned in my previous post, reinforcement rings on thin shelled drums have this effect. even thought it isn't too pronounced.
    But I wish those fuckers at pearl would just make 4 ply shells without reinforcement rings, but they dont :(
    If you wanna ask more questions fire away.
    Also, what better way than to plug our gig with Just a word in the Empire, on Thursday 21st july - Should be a great night.
  10. avatar peasant*in*paradise
    Birch is darker than maple. I´ve never played Mahogany before though. i dn´t think ¨darkness¨ in a drum kit is really desirable
  11. avatar Avarimusic
    Birch shouldn't actually be darker than maple. Birch is quite cutting, which is why it's preferred a lot for live use.
    I'm not a big fan of 'darkness' in a kit either.
  12. avatar peasant*in*paradise
    well i get it depends on your definition of ¨darkness¨
    birch definately sounded a lot edgier and less warm than maple to me.
  13. avatar Avarimusic
    Ah apologies, when talking about darker I normally mean it has an abundance of low end but hasn't got much presence or 'middle'.
    Birch of course would be 'edgier' in the sense that it has loads of presence and 'middle' and has less warmth than maple.