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  1. avatar kingmob
    Spotted by Smallsquare, this is the most useless campaign poster I have seen since The Sun's 'Free Deidre' campaign of 10 years ago.

    [quote:076ad9ecc7]
    Posters appealing for Ulster holidaymakers to help in the hunt for Madeleine McCann were last night on display in premises throughout the province.

    As the search for the youngster took a dramatic twist yesterday - with Portuguese police holding British man Robert Murat as a suspect in their investigation - the Belfast Telegraph poster campaign was spreading across Northern Ireland.

    Over 1,000 posters have now been sent out to businesses and more will be handed out at a special prayer vigil for Madeleine due to be held at Millennium Square in Downpatrick at 7pm this evening.

    Hundreds of Ulster holidaymakers flew out of the province yesterday with our leaflets and posters determined to do their bit in the bid to return Madeleine to her devastated family.

    And as they prepared to board their flights to countries throughout mainland Europe, many of them said they wanted to show Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, that they are thinking of them during their anxious wait for information.

    Portadown woman Jackie Grimason, who was flying to Portugal yesterday morning with her husband and their three-year-old daughter, said: "I am very worried.

    "Normally I look forward to my holidays but obviously this whole Madeleine thing has put a bit of a dampener on things.

    "I will be worried the whole way there and I will be worried the whole time we are out there.

    "I have been following her disappearance on the news and I get very upset when I watch it. I just hope the child is found safe and well. I have actually been crying because I find it so upsetting.

    "The poster campaign is very good. I was glad to see the posters as I arrived at the airport and we will definitely be keeping an eye out for Madeleine during our holiday."

    The campaign has the backing of Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann, who last night expressed her delight at the reponse of the Ulster public to the poster appeal.

    Belfast Telegraph editor Martin Lindsay said: "The McCann family are desperate to keep the story in the public eye and we are more than happy to do everything we can to help."

    The posters - printed free of charge by north Belfast company Edenderry Print - can be downloaded from our website at www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk or by emailing lsmyth@belfasttelegraph.co.uk. [/quote:076ad9ecc7]

    Still, at least the Telegraph's logo isn't liberally plastered on the poster because then people would accuse them of being offensive publicity seekers. Oh wait...
  2. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    i must say, i find the bandwagon-jumping particularly loathesome in this case.

    no doubt Lightbody is talking to the Bel Tel as we speak offering his support...
  3. avatar remaderyan
    I dont really think this wee girl is being hidden in the Lisburn Rd. What are we supposed to do exactly?

    Go over there and scower the streets of portugal?
  4. avatar kingmob
    I demand a cover of 'We're sending our love down a well', with the Hole in the Wall Gang on lead vocals.
  5. avatar Baelmammon
    I demand campaign posters to save the children of Thailand, Cambodia from Westerners, I mean this is terrible, but if this child wasn't British the BBC and others wouldn't be jumping all over this story. :evil:
  6. avatar T Entertainment
    "I demand a cover of 'We're sending our love down a well', with the Hole in the Wall Gang on lead vocals."

    :lol:

    Anyone who questions the wisdom or motivation of this compassionate move better have a bloody good alibi.
  7. avatar I'mDead
    Well its a tough one to call isn't it. Truth is, she has to be somewhere - and why not the lisburn road. How does anyone know? Aside from that, people need to feel like they are doing something and a poster campaign is hardly a criminal offence. I mean, so what? Let them work away Plus, she does have a link to Northern Ireland.

    ON THE OTHER HAND.

    I do realise that its 'Holly & Jessica' all over again, and that in the 12 days since Madelene's disappearance, some 450 children have gone missing in the UK alone, and none of them will be afforded the same media coverage, so there.
  8. avatar kingmob
    I have already made a statement to the police, in presence of a lawyer.

    Seriously though, this thing is ridiculously cynical. It's like the Cromagnon Times in the Shetland Islands running posters asking residents to look out for Lisa Dorrian.
  9. avatar scott_evil
    i really hope they find her well but i find it hard to swallow that 2 promenants doctors child goes missing and the £4 million is offered for a reward. Holly and Jessica two kids from a council estate in england, nothing, bar the support from local people and people sending their 'best wishes'
  10. avatar Smallsquare
    Is there an Ulster Scots version? What if the wee'un is trapped dahn a shuck.
  11. avatar Andrew
    It's hardly the child's fault what her parents do for a living. I personally don't see the problem with the media keeping the case in the public eye. Good on the McCanns for pushing their case and good on the media for supporting it. What the f*ck would you do if you were in the parents' position?

    Yes, every minute that goes by another faceless child dies somewhere in horrendous circumstances - but somehow it feels that if Madeleine McCann can be returned alive and well there's some shred of hope for humanity.
  12. avatar racecarisracecarbackwards
    It must be horrible for her parents,and I kinda think that she's not even in Portugal anymore, she'll be in Morroco or somewhere near there.
  13. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:8bdb4b1f04="Andrew Griswold"]Yes, every minute that goes by another faceless child dies somewhere in horrendous circumstances - but somehow it feels that if Madeleine McCann can be returned alive and well there's some shred of hope for humanity.[/quote:8bdb4b1f04]

    But not any of the other faceless children?
  14. avatar j0j0
    what exactly is the problem here? Surely Norn Irn holiday makers will be heading all over Europe, and the further posters spead the better? We don't know what has happened, if she is alive and well someone know where she is, and the more public support the better.

    You are a load of cynical bastards. Children do come to harm, go missing and all the rest of it while at home, which is awful. But the fact that this girl was on holiday in a foreign country is complicating things. Why the h3ll shouldn't people do whatever they want to help?

    [quote:b8027083d5]and I kinda think that she's not even in Portugal anymore, she'll be in Morroco or somewhere near there.[/quote:b8027083d5]

    this is exactly why, I imagine, the paper had taken this decision (besides the free advertising, but really, so what?).

    :roll:
  15. avatar kingmob
    [quote:589efae9dd="Andrew Griswold"]It's hardly the child's fault what her parents do for a living. I personally don't see the problem with the media keeping the case in the public eye. [/quote:589efae9dd]

    Yes, but the Belfast Telegraph's involvement is nakedly cynical. She's not missing in Cullybleedingbackey. Posters with the Tele's logo put up in walls across Co Antrim is a totally empty gesture. It achieves absolute nothing but a cheap and nasty free ad campaign for the Telegraph.
  16. avatar Smallsquare
    From tomorrows Telegraph...

    [i:9b6d7f2b5c]Sick Internet Fiends Gloat at Our Maddys Disappearence - Sinister chatroom shows darkside of Ulster's music scene.

    As the Telegraph continues its Ban The Pan/Save Our Maddy campaign, anonymous internet members of Belfast's fastfood BBS are gloating over her disappearence. A user going my the callsign of Kingmob, who according to unamed sources is a suspect, said " I have already made a statement to the police, in presence of a lawyer". The sick chatroom also appears to shed new light on the dissappearence of Lisa Dorrian with new evidence linking her to the Shetland Islands. Local assemby member Tuckwit Fwatface said "I think it should be banned".[/i:9b6d7f2b5c]
  17. avatar j0j0
    yes but Graham the posters are aimed at holidaymakers. Which is useful enough. So fu<king what if the telegraph get a bit of free publicity?

    I don't understand why this warrants such vitriol.
  18. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:6da6fc71b2="The NI Correspondent"] So fu<king what if the telegraph get a bit of free publicity?
    [/quote:6da6fc71b2]
    Off the back of a childs disappearance, I don't think thats just at all.
  19. avatar die the flu
    [quote:901fd87826]Yes, but the Belfast Telegraph's involvement is nakedly cynical. She's not missing in Cullybleedingbackey. Posters with the Tele's logo put up in walls across Co Antrim is a totally empty gesture. It achieves absolute nothing but a cheap and nasty free ad campaign for the Telegraph.[/quote:901fd87826]

    Er, as already pointed out, surely the fact that she is "missing" (by virtue of the very meaning of that word) means that, em, like, her whereabouts are unkown? So, eh, she could actually quite literally be anywhere?

    It's a difficult balance to strike between sensationalism and the actual benefit that keeping this in the public eye grants. But surely anything is better than nothing? It'll be a more depressing day when this case [b:901fd87826]isn't[/b:901fd87826] in the news anymore.
  20. avatar j0j0
    I would like to think their main motivation was the possibility of it being useful.
  21. avatar feline1
    [quote:39728169df="I'mDead"]
    I do realise that its 'Holly & Jessica' all over again, and that in the 12 days since Madelene's disappearance, some 450 children have gone missing in the UK alone, and none of them will be afforded the same media coverage, so there.[/quote:39728169df]

    That's LOADS, isn't it?
    Mind you, most of them were probably ugly.
    All the same though - who has eaten 450 children in the past 450 days? A giant hedgehog called "Spiny Norman"?
    I find it worrying.
    This could just be the tip of the iceberg.

    PS - are bookies taking odds yet on it turning out to be Madeleine's parents wot done her in?
  22. avatar The Grace Jones
    Realistically if you put up such a poster with no logo across the top and no indication as to the source of it, it doesn't carry as much weight or command as much attention... who *would* do that without branding it in some way, really?

    Is that statistic re. 450 children missing in 12 days in the UK for real? Source? That's an utterly terrifying figure.
  23. avatar splitscreen
    the more publicity there is about missing people the chances of finding the them increase, so as much publicity about this the better! Everyone likes to feel that they are doing there bit in situations like this, so i say just let them.
  24. avatar Andrew
    [quote:35c15220fa="my-angel-rocks"][quote:35c15220fa="Andrew Griswold"]Yes, every minute that goes by another faceless child dies somewhere in horrendous circumstances - but somehow it feels that if Madeleine McCann can be returned alive and well there's some shred of hope for humanity.[/quote:35c15220fa]

    But not any of the other faceless children?[/quote:35c15220fa]
    Of course it is obscene what goes on in this world on a daily, hourly, nanosecondly basis. That is the nature of humanity - we are scum. But if this campaign helps save Madeleine McCann then it's one less child being abused - which is, I reckon, A GOOD THING.


    [quote:35c15220fa="kingmob"][quote:35c15220fa="Andrew Griswold"]It's hardly the child's fault what her parents do for a living. I personally don't see the problem with the media keeping the case in the public eye.[/quote:35c15220fa]

    Yes, but the Belfast Telegraph's involvement is nakedly cynical. She's not missing in Cullybleedingbackey. Posters with the Tele's logo put up in walls across Co Antrim is a totally empty gesture. It achieves absolute nothing but a cheap and nasty free ad campaign for the Telegraph.[/quote:35c15220fa]

    So f*cking what? The only people who matter in this are the child and her family. If her family feel that media saturation is the best way to search for their child then F*CKING LET THEM. The Belfast Telegraph are in a position to help, no matter how insignificant that help may appear to you. She could turn up f*cking anywhere. If the paper gets some free publicity out of it, quite frankly who cares? Although I hardly think their sales are going to shoot through the roof just because they've distributed these posters. Perhaps they are just (old fashioned concept alert) trying to help.
  25. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:e667787b67="feline1"]All the same though - who has eaten 450 children in the past 450 days? A giant hedgehog called "Spiny Norman"?
    I find it worrying. [/quote:e667787b67]

    100,000 children under the age of 16 go missing every year. Of that, around 5 or 6 are abducted. That's still too many, but I sure wouldn't like to be dealing with that caseload.
  26. avatar nonlogic liam
    Last night at the bar 12 pub quiz some sick group of individuals called their team 'lost in Portugal'. This only further reaffirms my theory that all humans are a collection of insensitive, selfish, barbarians . Of course I'm sure it was probably a bunch of students pretending to be funny. I fear for my future.
  27. avatar feline1
    I think it's good that we have a media frenzy about lost pretty girls cos it helps take our mind off the fact that there's millions of starving babies in Africa dying of malaria every week or sthg.
    Although I don't doubt we can have a pop concert about that soon too.
  28. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:6b22e9b3a0="The Grace Jones"]Realistically if you put up such a poster with no logo across the top and no indication as to the source of it, it doesn't carry as much weight or command as much attention... who *would* do that without branding it in some way, really?
    [/quote:6b22e9b3a0]
    Surely the image of Maddy and the text should carry enough weight without branding.
    I still think its a reasonable idea though, what harm is it doing.
  29. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:02f975d1bf="feline1"]I think it's good that we have a media frenzy about lost pretty girls cos it helps take our mind off the fact that there's millions of starving babies in Africa dying of malaria every week or sthg.
    Although I don't doubt we can have a pop concert about that soon too.[/quote:02f975d1bf]

    Yeah will since we can't save those millions let's just let those lost children rot, eh? Get a grip you lunatic.
  30. avatar feline1
    How many millions of African babies COULD we save though, if we spent half the resources currently looking for Madeleine on them?

    However, if even ONE of those African babies grew up to abuse a pretty white girl, would it be worth it? etc etc
  31. avatar nonlogic liam
    [size=24:e39160b109]STOP HAVING BABIES.[/size:e39160b109] Problem?
  32. avatar Smallsquare
    Has anyone checked Rathlin Island? I know its a long shot but we all have to do everything we can to find Our Maddy. We can't rule out the possibility that she's been taken there.
  33. avatar feline1
    Andrew Griswold certainly seems very vocal about this matter. It could just be that it's a double-bluff on his part, to stop us asking to many questions about something!
  34. avatar Smallsquare
    Well I think she might be on Rathlin. Admittedly a bizarre choice to bring a kidnapped child from Portugal but these people don't think like us. Don't forget they're 80% crab.
  35. avatar I'mDead
    Incidentally, does anyone posting here have children? If you do, then try putting yourself in the position of ANY parent of a missing or abducted child. As Andrew Griswold has said, the only people that matter here are the parents of Madelene McCann.

    And I'm not trying to take some bleeding heart approach to all this but unless you can relate in some way, then smart arse comments don't amount to a hill of beans.
    She actually COULD be in cullybackey, or the Shetlands or anywhere - is that so hard to imagine?

    Anyway, whats worse ultimately - designing a branded poster to raise awareness, or hiding behind the anonymity of your fastfude username to make stupid childish jokes on a music forum?
  36. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:53ea83a358="feline1"]I think it's good that we have a media frenzy about lost pretty girls cos it helps take our mind off the fact that there's millions of starving babies in Africa dying of malaria every week or sthg.
    Although I don't doubt we can have a pop concert about that soon too.


    -----


    How many millions of African babies COULD we save though, if we spent half the resources currently looking for Madeleine on them?

    However, if even ONE of those African babies grew up to abuse a pretty white girl, would it be worth it? etc etc[/quote:53ea83a358]

    I'm not sure exactly how many African babies could be saved by 50% of the Madeleine posters from the Belfast Telegraph were devoted to that instead (coz that is what you're saying above?), although at a rough estimate, I would say, around [b:53ea83a358]NONE, YOU FECKING CLOWN[/b:53ea83a358]. Honestly, you're going to extra efforts to be a pain in the arse today, aren't you?
  37. avatar feline1
    Madeleine is no Holly & Jessica.
  38. avatar T Entertainment
    "She actually COULD be in cullybackey, or the Shetlands or anywhere - is that so hard to imagine?"

    YES, YES IT [b:a8de983a3d]IS[/b:a8de983a3d]. :D

    But seriously, can we avoid the invocation of 'if you'd children, you'd be wallpapering your house with posters' thing, it's a cop out. I think we all agree that child abduction is extremely bad. It's the response which is being debated.
  39. avatar feline1
    [quote:2447474a54="T Entertainment"]

    But seriously, can we avoid the invocation of 'if you'd children, you'd be wallpapering your house with posters' thing, it's a cop out. I think we all agree that child abduction is extremely bad. It's the response which is being debated.[/quote:2447474a54]

    Well, the person who abducted her clearly didn't think so!
    The fact that the a Portugese newspaper has already allegedly run a story that that alleges that Madeleine's parents are "swingers" and the abduction is part of a swinger revenge incident is neither here nor there.
  40. avatar I'mDead
    But seriously nothing. My point is that all too often people forget that we are on a public forum and that anyone can read this stuff. So far I can't see any evidence of a 'debate' as you call it.

    And it is certainly not a cop out to ask people to empathise - clearly people all over the UK are doing so, which makes the Belfast Telegraph poster much less cynical than a lot of posts on this thread.
  41. avatar tenrabbits
    Geeze.. we're lucky you're here to point out the ironies and inconsistancies of the modern world feline.

    Obviously we should all ignore the abducted child, concentrate on propagating the small dirty bits of gossip we've read, and stand outside the front of city hall with placards proclaiming 'but what about them ickle black chilerns in Africa' instead.

    As you would do of course.
  42. avatar T Entertainment
    I can't speak for other posters, I can only speak for myself.
    It's entirely possible to empathise with this unfortunate family while not having children [i:2d7ac921f4]and [/i:2d7ac921f4]having some reservations about the response in some quarters.
    And I do see debate, why on your first post I'mDead you were debating with yourself! So it's obviously not completely clear cut, n'est pas? :-D
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  43. avatar kingmob
    I think it's reasonable enough to expect that anyone posting realises how awful something like this would be to go through. Even someone as blatantly cynical as my good self! I don't feel the need to extend my condolences to someone who is unlikely to be reading this message board every time I post on this matter.

    But why should people be 'asked' to empathise? Surely it's enough that everyone is thinking 'that's terrible/poor parents' etc etc etc without having to scream it from the rooftops via a poster/commemorative t-shirt/china plate.

    The BT move is bandwagon jumping and I seriously feel it is crass. This is not going to come to a conclusion because of someone seeing a poster with a lovely BT logo on it in the Algarve/Cullbackey. It will probably be when some Portuguese copper stumbles across the poor wee girl's body.

    I just find the marketing drive behind this horrible thing distasteful, that's all. The BT is having a nice wee publicity drive by using something that it has no direct link to (although I am waiting for the 'WE ARE ALL MADDY'S PARENTS NOW' headline). I am sure some of their motives are pure behind this but surely keeping the story as close to the front of the newspaper every single day is a less cyncial way of campaigning for the girl to be found.
  44. avatar feline1
    I for one see nothing wrong in only caring about pretty wee blonde girls.

    Ugly people have been tolerated for far too long, and I'd like to thank the media for refusing to bow to police pressure to cover any of the other 400 or so missing children who have been reported in the past couple of weeks, many of whom were not only ugly but in fact black or belonged to illegal Polish people.
  45. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    i this not just a waste of paper and ink? i mean unless your living under a rock you know what the kid looks like. absolutely absurd.
  46. avatar remaderyan
    I think the people here who are jumping down people's throats just because they are sceptical havent taken what people have been saying the right way.

    I really feel terrible for her paremts, i'd like nothing more if she was found safe and well. But I think its absurd to believe that she's going to turn up anywhere other than in Portugal.

    I'm sure people here would agree with me on this, a bit of reality is required in this situation.

    She's not likely in Shetland, Rathlin, Belfast or anywhere in Ireland. come on wise up.
  47. avatar eazy_rider
    I am a parent to 3 kids, and while I would like to have the patience to debate with all the cynical w/\nkers on here, I think I'll just say "Pray it never happens to you".

    Go and fvck yourselves.

    e_r
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  48. avatar remedy malahide
    BT are in it for the publicity, a BT spokes person stated it on Good Morning Ulster recently, but the people who buy the BT buy it for numerous reasons:
    *They always have and always will
    *Classifieds
    *Train journey
    *"My wee Jimmy is in the paper" ...etc.

    Just because they are supporting a campaign for Maddy does not mean that the masses who don't usually buy this paper will feel guilt tripped into buying it. I do not feel any compulsion to buy this paper because of that story, and I dare say the towns and cities of Europe will not be flocking to buy it either.

    "The BT move is bandwagon jumping"
    "The BT is having a nice wee publicity drive by using something that it has no direct link to "
    I can understand your distaste but newspapers make money from both bad and good news, and they are ruthless, they have to be to compete in the market.
  49. avatar Andrew
    [quote:9d8b39e483="feline1"]Well, the person who abducted her clearly didn't think so!
    The fact that the a Portugese newspaper has already allegedly run a story that that alleges that Madeleine's parents are "swingers" and the abduction is part of a swinger revenge incident is neither here nor there.[/quote:9d8b39e483]
    Is that what swingers do then, abduct each other's wee'uns?
  50. avatar whosbainejakey
    So: the BT are using the current concern for a missing kid as a way of boosting their profile. As a result, there's tons of reminders of what the missing kid looks like in the public eye. Meanwhile, millions of ugly children continue to starve/get "non-consensually murdered"/ go missing and the lizards continue their reign over us all.

    And sums it up?
  51. avatar remedy malahide
    [quote:505d0d56a8="whosbainejakey"]So: the BT are using the current concern for a missing kid as a way of boosting their profile. As a result, there's tons of reminders of what the missing kid looks like in the public eye. Meanwhile, millions of ugly children continue to starve/get "non-consensually murdered"/ go missing and the lizards continue their reign over us all.

    And sums it up?[/quote:505d0d56a8]

    TIP: Lizards hate milk, the smell of all types of lynx, and they can't read.
    Their reign won't last forever!
  52. avatar nonlogic liam
    Actually after thinking about this, the Belfast Telegraph by putting their
    logo (whatever, I haven't seen them) on these posters have in fact authenticated them. For
    example, if no logo where attached or 'Christians are go inc', where on the
    posters no one would give a damn. Although I do agree they are getting
    something out of it, I also agree that all charity organisations,
    newspapers etc get something out of publicising/helping people in need.
  53. avatar thehellfireclub
    Parts of the Portugese Algarve are like Shankill in the sun for the next three or four months - wake up, pull on your English footy replical kit to blend in, full English for breakfast, then a pint of Guinness and Eastenders in the "Shamrock" or "Linekar's". Every day there are five or six planes worth of reasons to have a poster campaign here.
  54. avatar feline1
    If y'all honestly can't see that this media pilfering of some genuine and appropriate parential hysteria is being hi-jacked by the media and protistuted to us in the further construction of a ludicrous "Matrix"-style media fantasy werld, lacking all sense of proportion and perspective and forming a brilliant smoke-screen for shape-shifting reptiloids and global-agri-petro-chemicalgeneticist-arms-cartels to destroy the planet,
    then frankly EWE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM,
    as as the Divine David pointed out at Brighton Komedia last night, might well deserve to be killed.
  55. avatar Tele
    You know, all this publicity must be helping the Belfast Telegraph: before this I had no idea what the Belfast Telegraph was, and certainly didn't know what they were about. I must have a look in the shops for this so-called "Belfast Telegraph".

    I'll probably never find one though, being that it is such an obscure publication.
  56. avatar feline1
    That's nothing - I'd never even heard of "Portugal". I could never understand why people were flying to Lisburn - I mean I know that traffic at Sprucefield can get pretty bad, but all the same...
  57. avatar Portadown News Editor
    I was much more disturbed by the English tourist who stayed on in Portugal to "help organise the search" then spent a whole week telling TV reporters how he was helping to organise the search. He was filmed at one point on a hill overlooking the town - lovely view, which would have taken several hours for the camera crew to recce and set up with Mr Heroic Search Leader in tow.
    Experience in America indicates that time is absolutely of the essence in a search like this.
    The media is just doing its job, and not much more distastefully than usual. It's the enthusiasm of some people to grab their 15 minutes out of this that's really disgusting.
  58. avatar feline1
    [quote:5fb4262910="Portadown News Editor"].
    The media is just doing its job...[/quote:5fb4262910]

    That was no defence at Nurenburg, as I'm sure you remember the judge telling you at the time.



    EDIT: Next thing you'll be know, there'll be a 2-hour soft-focus black-and-white photo-montage tribute to "Madeleine" on BBC1 on Saturday night, with a Kate Bush soundtrack, with Ester Ranstzen in a wee cut-out rectangle at the edge of the screen, pleading for your money. Naked.
    If you don't pay, they put Slow Patrol on instead of Kate Bush.
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  59. avatar Portadown News Editor
    I prefer the Milosevic defence: "I was just issuing orders."
  60. avatar T Entertainment
    "It's the enthusiasm of some people to grab their 15 minutes out of this that's really disgusting."

    Yes. Something snapped in the national psyche around the time of Diana Spencer's death and it's still well broken.
  61. avatar thenovembercriminals
    i dont mean to cause offence, but the blame does ultimatlely lie with the parents.

    i mean, i dont think i could leave my child (if i had one) alone the house in this country whilst i went across to the neighbours for dinner, let alone in a forgein country.

    although i am sure that maddys parents are now regretting what they done.

    So im up for recording a version of we are sending are love down the well, for maddys sake not her parents.
  62. avatar The Grace Jones
    No, that's complete crap. The blame "ultimately lies" with the person/s who abducted the child.
  63. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    Chuggers could get photos on their tabards
  64. avatar comprachio
    does anyone else find this thread in poor taste, devoid of meaningful debate, and of no relevence whatsoever to a music board?
  65. avatar Warren Drugs
    Aye.
  66. avatar 10rapid
    personally I think that the telegraph hosting a picture of madeleine on easter holidays in donegal last friday did very little to help....aided by a headline about "maddy's Ulster connection" (ie she has an aunt in bundoran or something) and a poster proclaiming something like "maddy pictured smiling" it is very hard not to see the cynicism in the whole thing. Surely everyone knows who she is at this stage and an obtrusive front page of a family holiday snap won't do much to change that.
  67. avatar 3cigarettes
    I don't find it in poor taste, it's a legitimate questioning of the stupid whipped up hysteria about some photogenic white girl with blond hair and Dr Parents being kidpnapped.

    The hysteria over it here, more so than any of the other infinitely more important and/or tragic things happening in the world right now is what is "in poor taste".
  68. avatar i_amannie_b
    You might dislike that it's taking over the news, but you don't need to be offensive and even what might be seen as slightly racist to get your point across.
  69. avatar 3cigarettes
    How exactly is it racist to point out the media's inarguable favouritism towards blond haired white girl kidnap cases? It is a fact, just look at the incident in America last year. It's just the same thing over again. Or the myriad other similiar cases around the world in recent years.

    Maybe you should go look up what the word "racism" actually means before coming off with such a ridiculous statement.

    While we're at it, since when is it offensive to call out mass hysteria for what it is?

    Obviously I hope she's found, and it's a terrible tragedy, but compared to various other things happening in the world, its relevance is thin to the point of non existance. I'd put money on a bet wherein if this girl's parents had been some single parent working class mother instead of a highly respected Doctor, the media would have been substantially more critical of the fact that these idiots left their 3 children alone in a hotel room while they got hammered.

    Or is this girl more important than the who knows how many Iraqi / Sudanese / Palestinian / Liberian etc etc etc children that have been kidnapped / raped / murdered in the last month? Not to mention the international child sex trade, or slave trade.

    Get some perspective.

    Back in realityland, the real offensive actions and statements are coming from an opportunistic media trying their damndest to cash in on this tragedy, just because you happen to be swayed by dictated orthodoxy doesn't mean everyone does. Although in this case that's not particularly surprising.
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  70. avatar Tele
    [quote:2fc577ae71="3cigarettes"]How exactly is it racist to point out the media's inarguable favouritism towards blond haired white girl kidnap cases? [/quote:2fc577ae71]

    Could it be that kidnappers generally prey on this type of girl?
  71. avatar 3cigarettes
    On an international scale, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single shred of evidence for such an assumption.
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  72. avatar Tele
    Aye I suppose not. Kidnappers are all gays anyway.
  73. avatar 3cigarettes
    :P true dat.
  74. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:97d2326af1]Aye I suppose not. Kidnappers are all gays anyway.[/quote:97d2326af1]

    If I could just expand on my earlier comment. Some people on fastfude are
    just pigs and deserve to die.

    But yes, I think pointing out the fact that she is white is highly racist
    and something that no one would ever have the guts to even consider if this
    child was of any other race. This is a complete tragedy and the press are
    right I think to highlight this odd case, and ultimately who gives a damn
    if they make a quick buck? They would have made it off some other sucker
    anyway like - 'aids in Africa shocker', or 'Prince Harry gets a girlfriend' or some sports rubbish. Regrettably this
    thread shows once again that some people on fastfude, while trying to be
    funny/clever, are highly immature, insensitive and deplorably stupid.
  75. avatar 3cigarettes
    Now that is some hilarious irony.
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  76. avatar Tele
    [quote:ad3a5bb88a="nonlogic liam"][quote:ad3a5bb88a]Aye I suppose not. Kidnappers are all gays anyway.[/quote:ad3a5bb88a]

    If I could just expand on my earlier comment. Some people on fastfude are
    just pigs and deserve to die.

    But yes, I think pointing out the fact that she is white is highly racist
    and something that no one would ever have the guts to even consider if this
    child was of any other race. This is a complete tragedy and the press are
    right I think to highlight this odd case, and ultimately who gives a damn
    if they make a quick buck? They would have made it off some other sucker
    anyway like - 'aids in Africa shocker', or 'Prince Harry gets a girlfriend' or some sports rubbish. Regrettably this
    thread shows once again that some people on fastfude, while trying to be
    funny/clever, are highly immature, insensitive and deplorably stupid.[/quote:ad3a5bb88a]

    Why'd you quote me there? Are you trying to say that I deserve to die because of the outlandish "kidnappers are all gay" claims? I must say, that's a bit harsh.

    Harsh, but then again I'm not sure how funny/clever calling someone gay is... maybe we're onto something here.

    Personally, I have no real opinion on this issue. The world is an awful place, and it is true that people make it that way. What other people do to make money probably shouldn't worry you. It's just your responsibility not to give them your money if you feel so vehemently against what they're doing.

    I could go on, but has been said - terrible tragedy and all that, but it mustn't be important because lots of people die everyday... oh wait.
  77. avatar comprachio
    Anyone with the whole 'there's worse things happening in the world' argument can fuck right off!! If you seen someone gettin their head beaten in on the Dublin road would you shrug and say 'ah well, there's people getting blown up in Iraq.' Do only the most major of tragedies deserve our sympathies??? Go get a fucking life.
  78. avatar Tele
    [quote:e6f542a8e8="Tele"]it mustn't be important because lots of people die everyday... [b:e6f542a8e8]oh wait[/b:e6f542a8e8].[/quote:e6f542a8e8]
  79. avatar The Grace Jones
    "Words.Fail" is plainly a shocking lie of a title for this thread.
  80. avatar bernard
    [quote:85b6b6b020="nonlogic liam"]
    But yes, I think pointing out the fact that she is white is highly racist
    and something that no one would ever have the guts to even consider if this
    child was of any other race. [/quote:85b6b6b020]

    but the point is that the media is racist
    by selectively deciding which missing children to devote weeks of coverage too
    no?

    do you honestly think that critiquing the media is out of bounds when it's a particularly sad story?
    pointing out their hypocrisy is hardly the same thing as, for example, abducting a child.

    cue another chorus of 'you insensitive prick' etc.
  81. avatar T Entertainment
    Worth pointing out that these issues surrounding this story are being debated on [i:fe6ca17690]a lot[/i:fe6ca17690] discussion boards locally, nationally and internationally. To attack FF per se over this thread is as fatuous as attacking the internet in general, basically.
  82. avatar Furball
    A child going missing is absolutely horrible and of course we all hope for the best.

    However the two things that bother me in all this is that if the parents weren't nice middle class doctors but were chavs from Essex or *even worse*, black, would the media be as sympathetic to parents who basically left their kids home alone which is illegal in this country, remember.

    Also, all this hounding of Robert Murat isn't right. If he is innocent, he is going through an underserved nightmare. If he is guilty of being involved in the abduction, surely all this coverage of him will prejudice any future trial?
  83. avatar The Grace Jones
    Just received this, no thoughts on it either way but I suppose it's relevant to the thread :


    Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 5:47 PM
    Subject: Help find Madeleine McCann


    > Please read this message and pass it on!
    >
    > "As you are aware my niece is still missing and I am asking everyone I

    > know to send this as a chain letter i.e. you send it to everyone you
    know
    > and ask them to do the same, as the story is only being covered in
    > Britain, Eire and Portugal. We don't believe that she is in Portugal
    > anymore and need to get her picture and the story across Europe as
    quickly
    > as possible. Suggestions are welcome."
    >
    > Phil McCann
    >
    > http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com
  84. avatar bernard
    the whole thing is a joke

    if you want to look for racism here maybe ask why itn reporters are following portugese police officers questioning their every move... 'the portugese aren't used to dealing with cases like this, unlike their (superior) british counterparts'

    if that's true, i think i'd rather live in portugal
  85. avatar tinpot anto
    Fair enough, like a pretty little girl gets abducted and the parents are fighting the bit to keep it as high up the news agenda as they can - that's their strategy - keep her image in the papers, on TV, everywhere they can.

    Makes perfect sense to do it, and other people can see that. The Tele stick up posters, it helps - it also helps the Tele to look good, but it STILL helps. I'd spot that wee girl from a half mile away at this stage.

    When you start thinking "I'd like to do something to help, but I'm afraid I might look foolish or self-serving" then it's time to punch yourself in the face.

    So the strategy is to keep her image in the media as prominantly as possible, and there's lots that can be done to help that, so why not do it. The disapproval of a few media-savvy commentators is utterly irrelevant.

    In other news seems it was the Immigents. Even when it was the bears, I knew it was dem.
  86. avatar ryanego
    All this talk of racism is silly though, I doubt the poor little girl is on the front of the Lagos times or the Dar es Salaam Standard.
    Maddy is British therefore people in Britain and its sphere of influence are devoting lots of media coverage to her.
    Now lets all fuck up and hope the wee girl is found.
  87. avatar I'mDead
    I agree with what Tinpot Anto said.

    As for the media being racist however, that is simply laughable. Damilola Taylor? Stephen Lawrence? Victoria Climbie? I seem to remember those terrible incidents completely saturating the news for weeks.
  88. avatar bernard
    [quote:9251e5b1b2="ryanego"]All this talk of racism is silly though, I doubt the poor little girl is on the front of the Lagos times or the Dar es Salaam Standard.
    Maddy is British therefore people in Britain and its sphere of influence are devoting lots of media coverage to her.
    [/quote:9251e5b1b2]

    er yeah, and yet there are hundreds of british kids (and non-british kids) missing in britain all the time, they're just less newsworthy. but that's not silly at all is it?

    anyway, i hope i don't seem angry or anything, i'm more bemused. i'd like to assure everyone that i've been stopping every blonde haired four year old i meet and checking their papers.
  89. avatar bernard
    [quote:12ea1e3cce="I'mDead"]I agree with what Tinpot Anto said.

    As for the media being racist however, that is simply laughable. Damilola Taylor? Stephen Lawrence? Victoria Climbie? I seem to remember those terrible incidents completely saturating the news for weeks.[/quote:12ea1e3cce]

    those people were murdered, not abducted, and while two were racially motivated murders, the third is actually kinda relevant to the point!
    being that kids like victoria are taken and abused in britain with frightening regularity and very little is done about it.
  90. avatar tinpot anto
    The 450 kids reported missing in ten days figure is startling but to be fair i'd imagine >90% of those are 14-16 yr old runaways, still tragic, but how many are under 10, under 8, under 6?

    When kids under 10 go missing, there normally is a massive media response, because they rarely take off without being abducted, meaning they are in immediate danger.

    The Media is often triggered by the police as the best course of action to find these kids. In this case the parents are capitalising on it to maximise their chances, and the media and general public are happy to oblige.
  91. avatar bernard
    [quote:1663aa1a11="tinpot anto"]The 450 kids reported missing in ten days figure is startling but to be fair i'd imagine >90% of those are 14-16 yr old runaways, still tragic, but how many are under 10, under 8, under 6?

    When kids under 10 go missing, there normally is a massive media response, because they rarely take off without being abducted, meaning they are in immediate danger.

    The Media is often triggered by the police as the best course of action to find these kids. In this case the parents are capitalising on it to maximise their chances, and the media and general public are happy to oblige.[/quote:1663aa1a11]

    yeah well of course i have no problem with that, of course it might help find her and of course that'd be great.
  92. avatar comprachio
    [quote:697ce48b45]Worth pointing out that these issues surrounding this story are being debated on a lot discussion boards locally, nationally and internationally. To attack FF per se over this thread is as fatuous as attacking the internet in general, basically. [/quote:697ce48b45]

    Plenty of other places to go vent then? I just find it bizarre that some topics are deleted or locked because of their irrelevency while others are allowed to slide.

    And as for the title... 90 odd posts in, its quite obvious that words don't fail :roll:
  93. avatar tinpot anto
    The motivation at beginning this thread in the manner it was is quite beyond be.

    Allowing it to continue is fair enough as it was something that needed challenged, not deleted and ignored.
  94. avatar feline1
    [quote:8c8e90556b="comprachio"]does anyone else find this thread in poor taste, devoid of meaningful debate, and of no relevence whatsoever to a music board?[/quote:8c8e90556b]

    Hear hear! I for one find it quite ludicrous for a board concerned with the production of popular music to further concern itself with the broader aspects of how the media construct, present and portray the world at large to the public. Clearly a knowledge of the postmodern functions of communication, propaganda and spin in the 21st century have no relevance WHATSOEVAH to a radical cultural activity like pop music.

    Moreover, castigating media coverage for being in bad taste is unquestionably in very bad taste. The public really ought not to think about, question or deconstruct what they read in the papers or see on TV: actions such as thinking about its inherent bias or selective coverage are the very essence of thoughtcryme, and perpetrators should, in all fairness, be killed.

    PS - this thread is pretty useful though, for identifying moronic cretins. :D
  95. avatar tinpot anto
    First in the queue as I'd normally be the allegations of racism in this case are not only distasteful, but unfounded.

    Have a look on the uk missing children website and see if you can spot the Asian or Black 5 year olds who have been recently abducted, who are not getting coverage because of Madeleine.
  96. avatar feline1
    [quote:afdb2db0ae="tinpot anto"]
    Have a look on the uk missing children website and see if you can spot the Asian or Black 5 year olds who have been recently abducted, who are not getting coverage because of Madeleine.[/quote:afdb2db0ae]

    Link, please?
  97. avatar I'mDead
    Bernard I'm well aware of the difference in the cases. I was referring to the media coverage.

    Can someone lock this thread now?
  98. avatar tinpot anto
    Like is your Google broken?

    http://uk.missingkids.com/
  99. avatar feline1
    [quote:d9e5dcd544="tinpot anto"]Like is your Google broken?

    http://uk.missingkids.com/[/quote:d9e5dcd544]

    I tend not to use Google to search for pictures of kids, Anto...

    Well there seems to be a sweet wee black boy on the front of that website, yet curiously, I haven't seen him mentioned on a single news programme or national newspaper.
    Well, I guess it's one less darkie to have to give an ASBO to later on, eh?
    Frankly I think that black boy's parents should be ashamed - don't they realise that they are wasting valuable police resources which could be used to find Madeleine??????
  100. avatar tinpot anto
    A 15 year old boy?

    yes? :roll:
  101. avatar fastfude
    Speaking of coverage of abductees, it's Alan Johnston's birthday today:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/05/birthday_greetings.html
  102. avatar feline1
    [quote:08bba8cba0="tinpot anto"]A 15 year old boy?

    yes? :roll:[/quote:08bba8cba0]

    Fair enough, when I was 15, I had to like the road clean before paying to work in't flax mill for 72 hours a day, and then our father would thrash us to death before bedtime 2 hours before we got up and if we bled in the lake there'd be trouble!
  103. avatar tinpot anto
    And as it says
    [quote:489a6910f2]
    Left home address in Haringey area after packing his school bag with clothing and has not returned. [/quote:489a6910f2]

    ie a runaway, and not an abductee - Tragic, yes, and no doubt it'll not do him much good but he is much less likely to be in immediate danger.
  104. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    It seems to me that some people have difficulty separating the broader discussion on how selective media and populace hysteria can be from the news piece that inspired the debate.
  105. avatar Portadown News Editor
    Meanwhile, a new prime minister has been essentially anointed to run our so-called democracy and is flouncing around the country announcing policies that all turn out on closer inspection to be (a) bollocks (b) pretty scarey and (c) at least a year old anyway. But let's not inspect anything too closely. Let's spend a fortnight going backwards and forwards between the studio and the OB while thinking up 18,000 different ways to say "still no sign of her".

    Gordon Brown kidnapped in Portugal - now [i:8c5dd56529]that's[/i:8c5dd56529] a story.
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  106. avatar feline1
    [quote:0a42de2988="Zwaddap_deep_doo"]It seems to me that some people have difficulty separating the broader discussion on how selective media and populace hysteria can be from the news piece that inspired the debate.[/quote:0a42de2988]

    It seems to me that some people are complete spastics.

    And Anto - you don't need to tell me anymore about the 15 year black youth who was probably wearing a hoody and carying a knife anyways - I already stopped caring about him. All I can think of is poor little Madeleine!
  107. avatar tinpot anto
    And you're suggesting that endless regurgitation and attempted analysis of deliberately obtuse, and ultimately meaningless confections of statistics provided by Downing Street as a substitute for policy, is what our news should be reporting?

    Or perhaps endless flipbacks between Andrew Marr's OB outside number 10, for him to say "No. Still talking sh1te..." and a smug Kirsty Walk?
  108. avatar Wd-adam
    Hold on, are people saying we should have every abducted british and irish child on the news everyday, or that we shouldn't have any of them. Either way it's fair and either way it's stupid.

    These 400 plus children that have gone missing in the last whatever number of days IN Britain are under investigation by British police, who may at some point feel it is necessary to involve the media in a particular case.

    This one child who has been abducted OUTSIDE of Britain, who's case is not under full British control must surely be dealt with through wide media saturation. One it reassures people that we're doing something, Two it keeps awareness at a maximum and Three it can be used to reduce hysteria.

    ...Three doesn't seem to be working.

    Yes hundered of kids go missing and die all over world, every single day. Do you want everyone of them in your news paper? Wise up.

    Someone else already said it but who cares if the papers sell a few more issues over this? If it wasn't this story it'd be something else.

    Just take in the information given to you, reject it if you so wish and just get on with things.
  109. avatar feline1
    This is why it is so important that we all pray,
    becuase although god is omniscient, all-seeing, omnipresent, omnipotent and soooooooo wide, you can't get round him,
    he often frankly misses the fact that all these kids are dying and missing and stuff,
    and it's not unless we pray to him and remind him that he actually *gives* a schit, you know?


    Oh by the way, it was lovely to hear Simple Minds again singing that Breakfast Song club! It just proves that there's always a silver lining to any cloud, and that, if nothing else, at least young Madeleine's all too brief life can give Jim Kerr's backcatalogue a wee boost. Although, really, I do think they should've picked "Reel to Reel Cacophany" instead....
  110. avatar Kingnez
    Have we all forgot about wee Nassima Sadia, from Dee Street, east Belfast,


    Have we?
  111. avatar comprachio
    [quote:d8f65ebcd4]PS - this thread is pretty useful though, for identifying moronic cretins.[/quote:d8f65ebcd4]

    Good work feline... good work :roll:
  112. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:3dd45405b0="Wd-adam"]Someone else already said it but who cares if the papers sell a few more issues over this? If it wasn't this story it'd be something else.[/quote:3dd45405b0]

    Because its could be a use of extreme personal tragedy for monetary gain(*) showing that your problem is only newsworthy if it sells the papers. Which is what this thread was supposed to be about, questioning the papers motives, not whether kidnap was a good or a bad thing.

    (*) Similar to that band who's dad died trying to use the sympathy vote to get into the chart. (Though that didnt work did it and they've returned to obscurity I hope?)
  113. avatar livemusicpics.com
    [quote:849c9fc881](*) Similar to that band who's dad died trying to use the sympathy vote to get into the chart. (Though that didnt work did it and they've returned to obscurity I hope?) [/quote:849c9fc881]

    Well in worked in that they charted.
  114. avatar Wd-adam
    [quote:96d91ada03="my-angel-rocks"][quote:96d91ada03="Wd-adam"]Someone else already said it but who cares if the papers sell a few more issues over this? If it wasn't this story it'd be something else.[/quote:96d91ada03]

    Because its could be a use of extreme personal tragedy for monetary gain(*) showing that your problem is only newsworthy if it sells the papers. Which is what this thread was supposed to be about, questioning the papers motives, not whether kidnap was a good or a bad thing.

    (*) Similar to that band who's dad died trying to use the sympathy vote to get into the chart. (Though that didnt work did it and they've returned to obscurity I hope?)[/quote:96d91ada03]

    Ack boll[b:96d91ada03]o[/b:96d91ada03]cks, that band thing was totally different, "Please buy our single, our Dad just died" is bit different from "Girl missing in Portugal, here's the latest" or "Attention be aware that this girl could be anywhere in Europe by now, keep your eyes peeled".

    I'd rather see that in the papers as opposed to Prince William breaking up with his girlfriend. This is REAL news and I for one appreciate the need for an overkill style of coverage.
  115. avatar 3cigarettes
    I saw a fantastic post on another forum that pretty much sums it up:

    [quote:a9dfeb6ea6]I am seriously getting fed up with this. Don't kids get abducted basically all the time? Its a horrible thing to happen, but fuck all these yellow ribbon wearing assholes latching onto some totally useless "movement" just because its hot at the moment. These are the same emotional tourists who threw themselves into paroxysms of epic grief after Diana died despite having bought every shitty tabloid paper with a story about her in it.[/quote:a9dfeb6ea6]

    It's almost self parody at this point, look at the state of this:

    [url]http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91210-1266128,00.html[/url]
  116. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:fe8d3512b5="Wd-adam"]
    Ack boll[b:fe8d3512b5]o[/b:fe8d3512b5]cks, that band thing was totally different, "Please buy our single, our Dad just died" is bit different from "Girl missing in Portugal, here's the latest" or "Attention be aware that this girl could be anywhere in Europe by now, keep your eyes peeled".[/quote:fe8d3512b5]

    Ack boll[b:fe8d3512b5]o[/b:fe8d3512b5]cks nothing. At some point the "news" has turned from that into rumours, speculation about the parents lifestyle, what have you. At that point it has moved away from helping, to just being exactly the same cashing in on personal tragedy as the band and their dead dad...the only difference is that the beneficiarys of it are the papers, rather than the people the tragedy happened to.

    [quote:fe8d3512b5]I'd rather see that in the papers as opposed to Prince William breaking up with his girlfriend. This is REAL news and I for one appreciate the need for an overkill style of coverage.[/quote:fe8d3512b5]

    It WAS real news. The news is that a girl was kidnapped, the rest is turning into gossip reporting of the same ilk as Prince William and his ex.

    Lets check the last weeks headlines:
    Daily Express - "Now Russian is questioned"
    Daily Express - "Maddy suspect behaved just like Huntley"
    Daily Mail - "Suspect or Scapegoat" (related to the Briton being questioned)
    Daily Mail - "Madeleine: Briton held"
    Daily Express - "Maddy: Police Quiz Briton"
    Daily Mail - "How much more can Madeleine's mother take?"
    Daily Express - "Was Maddy Drugged by kidnapper?"
    Daily Mail - "Madeleine: Are Portugese Police about to give up the hunt?"
    Daily Express - "Parents agony: Police call off the hunt for Maddy"
    Daily Mail - "Madeleine's mother shows the strain"
    Daily Express - "Was Maddy stolen to order?"

    How many of those are true news pieces [edit]written to help find her[/edit] and how many are tabloid gossip?

    (Incidently, do the Express call her Maddy cos they can't spell Madeleine?)
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  117. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:0c4ba8c02c="livemusicpics.com"]Well in worked in that they charted.[/quote:0c4ba8c02c]

    Ack, bugger, did it? Damnit.
  118. avatar fastfude
    isn't there some sort of rule of thumb about stories whose headlines are questions usually not being worth the paper they're printed on?
  119. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d8a686ecfc]isn't there some sort of rule of thumb about stories whose headlines are questions usually not being worth the paper they're printed on?[/quote:d8a686ecfc]

    I believe the rule also applies to headlines starting with the word "Now"
  120. avatar Wd-adam
    [quote:54ad2dc78c="my-angel-rocks"]
    It WAS real news. The news is that a girl was kidnapped, the rest is turning into gossip reporting of the same ilk as Prince William and his ex.

    Lets check the last weeks headlines:
    Daily Express - "Now Russian is questioned"
    Daily Express - "Maddy suspect behaved just like Huntley"
    Daily Mail - "Suspect or Scapegoat" (related to the Briton being questioned)
    Daily Mail - "Madeleine: Briton held"
    Daily Express - "Maddy: Police Quiz Briton"
    Daily Mail - "How much more can Madeleine's mother take?"
    Daily Express - "Was Maddy Drugged by kidnapper?"
    Daily Mail - "Madeleine: Are Portugese Police about to give up the hunt?"
    Daily Express - "Parents agony: Police call off the hunt for Maddy"
    Daily Mail - "Madeleine's mother shows the strain"
    Daily Express - "Was Maddy stolen to order?"

    How many of those are true news pieces [edit]written to help find her[/edit] and how many are tabloid gossip?

    (Incidently, do the Express call her Maddy cos they can't spell Madeleine?)[/quote:54ad2dc78c]

    Point taken, crap newspapers = crap journalism. There is however real news out there.
  121. avatar bernard
    [quote:a80ef4b296="Wd-adam"]
    There is however real news out there.[/quote:a80ef4b296]

    because fact into doubt won't go
  122. avatar feline1
    well if people WILL take their kids to Portugese swinger resorts, instead of delivering them safely to football stadia staffed by clowns, JUST WHAT DO THEY EXPECT???
  123. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    Had never read this interview but the last two posts sent me searching, touches on a few points relevant to this thread.

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/screen/story/0,6903,532307,00.html
  124. avatar feline1
    There's nothing you can say that can't be said: that's almost too tautalogical for words, innit.

    By the way, Yoko Ono's new album is pretty damn good, so I hear!

    Oh honestly!
    [img:6dff9d72da]http://www.123posters.com/images/original/H0008.jpg[/img:6dff9d72da]
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  125. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    Can't be as good as this though

    [img:da3a4f6042]http://www.framedcds.com/images/sleeves/8306752.jpg[/img:da3a4f6042]


    Edit for above post: In my world I win, probably not in yours though.
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  126. avatar T Entertainment
    Chris Morris is the most important artist in this bloody country and every passing nanosecond proves it.

    Although:
    "He had been worried for years, as his friends preceded him in having children, by the fact that this apparently conferred on them a divine right to make endless pronouncements unfettered by such restrictive critical considerations as logic, fact or honesty. After he had his own two children - he has insisted they're 'nothing like these mythical angels, they're great but they're bloody complicated human beings' - he was worried by his own confused thought processes, the heightened senses of love and worry and genuine fear that every parent feels."

    He's obviously a paedo-sympathiser. At the very least.
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  127. avatar feline1
    Chris Morris is no David Hoyle, as Nathan Barley proved.

    I mean, would Chris Morris get up on a podium, declaring his body riddled with HIV, strip naked to his panties, and perform an gymnastic dance to that Flaming Lips remix of Yoko Ono's Cambridge '69??? WOULD HE????

    Pish, he would!
    PLACE: A FARM FOR IDEA!
  128. avatar Box Marked Commie
    I like the way in invoking Chris Morris in this debate, which must now also have an internet law associated with it due to it's inevitability, no one has managed to grasp the irony associated with this particular hysterical reaction to the Belfast Tele sticking a poster of a missing girl in it's paper.

    The BT truly are worse than the Nazi's. :lol:
  129. avatar T Entertainment
    This is an interesting take on an awful saga, from the Independent (I hope that's a suitable forum for this to be written about - nicked from SB - BTW,I think people blaming the parents should [i:3959523b46]really [/i:3959523b46]catch themselves on) :


    Leading article: Wild theories and a warped sense of priorities
    Published: 15 May 2007
    We live with the delusion of control. We order our lives, our homes, our jobs. We choose our children's schools and arrange their after-school care. We timetable our visit to the gym, our journey to work, our day in the office, our evening before the television. We stay in touch through mobile phones, text messages and emails. But then it all falls apart. Someone close to us dies in a car crash, or is taken ill, or falls victim to a terrible crime.

    Usually such existential agonies we suffer in private. The world turns, unaware and unconcerned. The clocks do not stop. But, occasionally, a case achieves public prominence. Sometimes, as with the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, it combines celebrity with the shock of an unanticipated death. On other occasions, as with the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine McCann, it resonates as what the populist press loves to call "every parent's nightmare", in which the public is encouraged to indulge a vicarious sense of identification with the unhappy family at the centre of the affair - and enjoy a rather distasteful thrill at the drama of the event and at the fact it has not, thankfully, happened to us.

    In response we luxuriate in a pale imitation of the McCann family's distress. We echo their sense of impotence in our need to "do something", whether that is tying yellow ribbons to fences, placing cuddly toys on war memorials, holding up posters at football matches or releasing pink balloons into the sky to symbolise ... what, is not quite clear. Such are the homespun sacraments to which contemporary society resorts, having abandoned the rituals of religion in which Mr and Mrs McCann themselves have sought solace.

    The media has offered its own acts of psychological displacement. Not least of these have been the self-righteous indignation that some newspapers have poured on the Portuguese police. There has been an unsavoury jingoism in the way this foreign police force has been caricatured as incompetent, wilfully ignoring the fact that it has two distinct forces, one responsible for searches and another for criminal investigations. And there has been an obscurantist refusal to accept that the Portuguese judicial process insists police cannot reveal anything about a criminal investigation, or potential suspects, for fear of jeopardising any eventual trial.

    This is not the only charge against the media. It has displayed a warped ingenuity in a constant flow of articles on a story on which there has been little new to say. Speculation has continued unabated, with wild theories of lone paedophiles, criminal gangs, child smuggling rings, childless couples, jealous mothers and revenge attacks. Not to mention shrill commentators, with tasteless accusations of neglect levelled against the unfortunate couple, in articles of calculated insensitivity.

    The truth is that the nation's children are not seriously at risk from marauding paedophiles. Despite all the talk of stranger-danger, most child abuse is perpetrated from within the family. And children are far more at risk from falls from open windows or pushchairs where they are not strapped in - or from matches and lighters, medicines and chemicals, kettles and light flexes, broken glass or kitchen knives, or from choking on small toys, peanuts and marbles - than they are from sexual predators. Nearly all lost children are found. The worst that will happen to most children left unattended in bed is that they will awake, become upset and cry.

    The hysteria created by the reporting of this and similar cases does no service to anyone. It will lead only to children being wrapped in cotton wool and prevented from developing the social skills and independence they need to survive. Far from offering a shared catharsis, all it does is spread the virus of fear.
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  130. avatar bernard
    thank god you're here to keep us right then

    edit: that was to the guy who thinks we're only discussing the telegraph's posters.
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  131. avatar Box Marked Commie
    Now Chris that's not only cliche-ridden but the self-importance of it is giving me indigestion.

    Seriously "The Reasoned Response to Media Hystericism"[size=7:c97d96ba63]TM[/size:c97d96ba63] is just as cynical, self-serving and obnoxious a camp as the "WAS MADDIE TAKEN BY ALIENS" red-top brigade, with their branded borders on pages 3-9.
  132. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:59b14bb308="Box Marked Commie"]I like the way in invoking Chris Morris in this debate, which must now also have an internet law associated with it due to it's inevitability, no one has managed to grasp the irony associated with this particular hysterical reaction to the Belfast Tele sticking a poster of a missing girl in it's paper.

    The BT truly are worse than the Nazi's. :lol:[/quote:59b14bb308]


    Yeah, no irony graspers us anto.
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  133. avatar bernard
    [quote:2901dcd9c4="Box Marked Commie"]Now Chris that's not only cliche-ridden but the self-importance of it is giving me indigestion.

    Seriously "The Reasoned Response to Media Hystericism"[size=7:2901dcd9c4]TM[/size:2901dcd9c4] is just as cynical, self-serving and obnoxious a camp as the "WAS MADDIE TAKEN BY ALIENS" red-top brigade, with their branded borders on pages 3-9.[/quote:2901dcd9c4]

    so what you're actaully saying is... what, exactly?
  134. avatar T Entertainment
    Anto, I too thank the Lord that you are serenely gliding above the common herd on this one, and definitely care more than the rest of us and remain singularly incisive on 'irony'.
    Yeah, I hate reasoned responses too.
  135. avatar Box Marked Commie
    Err maybe most people are sensible enough to a media circus when they see one, without being preached at by pointless commentary, and to separate the spurious bandwagoneering from the core story, namely: girl missing, keep your eye out for her.

    I find the histrionics of the "oh isn't it awful that they are using this issue for their own gain" camp just as sickening.

    It's a lot of people talking for the sake of hearing their own voice. Analytical and journalistic it isn't, Supercilious and cynical, it is.

    [quote:123debb338]all it does is spread the virus of fear[/quote:123debb338] Who wrote that Jeffrey Archer?
  136. avatar T Entertainment
    "It's a lot of people talking for the sake of hearing their own voice."

    You'll be having a go for the writer using 'big words' next.
  137. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    I'm nearly tempted to quote bill hicks and noam chomsky just to push anto over the edge.
  138. avatar Box Marked Commie
    Ach it's a load of sh1te and you know it, and could have been cut and pasted together from a dozen articles written in the last 5 years.
    [quote:1f95e0517c]
    The truth is that the nation's children are not seriously at risk from marauding paedophiles. Despite all the talk of stranger-danger, most child abuse is perpetrated from within the family. And children are far more at risk from falls from open windows or pushchairs where they are not strapped in - or from matches and lighters, medicines and chemicals, kettles and light flexes, broken glass or kitchen knives, or from choking on small toys, peanuts and marbles - than they are from sexual predators.[/quote:1f95e0517c]

    Like that.
  139. avatar feline1
    [quote:2769367d35="Box Marked Commie"]Err maybe most people are sensible enough to a media circus when they see one, without being preached at by pointless commentary[/quote:2769367d35]

    And by "most people", you mean "a precious few Winston Smiths in a sea of mongs",
    and by "a sea of mongs" I mean people who should probably be killed, because they make the world a more dangerous place: I mean, let me tell you something-- this is EXACTLY how Nazi Germany start - a bunch of gullible proletariate spide-holes who'd believe any reactionary ludicrous propaganda guffs you plaster in front of their eyeballs.

    As Peter Hammill barked in 'Lemmings', "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!"
  140. avatar T Entertainment
    "Ach it's a load of sh1te and you know it"

    Your presumption that I 'know' this and (I can only speculate) am in your view only posting to annoy you / the mob / 'be clever' is...illuminating.

    I don't think it's a load of sh1te. Not at all. Nor is it the final word. But it's reasoned and has resonance in the current climate.
  141. avatar Box Marked Commie
    Aye but there's nothing to it except a few self-righteous spaswads tying a 99p teddy bear to a railing.


    The "Smart" media blow this up into a sign of our inevitable decline into sheepish intellectual somnolence "Oh no remember the Diana thing!"

    Sure wise up.

    Edit:
    Chris,I don't for imagine it was posted for my benefit, since I've posted about 10 words on the whole thread. But you have to admit it's a string of well worn cliché's that effectively adds nothing of substance, if you'd like to argue otherwise I'd be interested in hearing why :)
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  142. avatar T Entertainment
    "Sure wise up."

    Oh, OK then. Why didn't you just say that in the first place if that's all you actually meant?
  143. avatar whosbainejakey
    intellectual somnolence: plectrums or fingers?
  144. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    Is there any way to search a specific users posts for the string 'wise up' for it seems to me that anto has pulled this ace out of his hole quite regularly.

    EDIT: Just tried there it's a funny read.
  145. avatar potatojunkie1
    I haven't actually bothered to read the whole thread, only got to about 4 pages, so I may have missed the gist of some of the arguments going on, but...

    While I think its a terrible thing thats happened to the poor child and must be an absolutely terrifying ordeal for her, I have to question the thinking of the parents behind leaving 3 children alone while they went for a meal.

    I know when I was a child if I unexpectedely woke up and though my parents weren't about I was usually terrified and wouldn't calm down until I got a hug from mum or dad.

    So firstly, whatever way one examines this the parents have to be culpable to a small degree.

    Secondly the tabloid media is having a field day over this. I'm enough of a cynic to know that for them this is an exercise in money making, by jumping on this campaign they will sell a shedload of papers, and they will try and foster the national conciouness to feel indignation about this for as long as possible, if the girl is found dead the papers will blame 'johnny foreigner' cops for their inept approach (I've already noticed this portrayal starting to emrge in some reports). After it dies down they will probably insitgate a witch hunt in the UK for possible child abductors and print guidelines of how to look after you're children abroad (the simple step of not letting them out of your sight would seem fairly obvious).

    In conclusion the news media are absolute scum, especially the tabloid variety and hacks who work for the BT, I assume fastfude favourtie Gail Walker is taking up thousands of coloum inches at the moment?
  146. avatar Box Marked Commie
    As everyone is aware, sometimes "Wise Up" is the only sane response.

    8)
  147. avatar The Grace Jones
    [b:c1ecb665b7][size=18:c1ecb665b7]The Gallup Results[/size:c1ecb665b7][/b:c1ecb665b7]




    [i:c1ecb665b7]site:www.fastfude.org "tinpot anto" "wise up"[/i:c1ecb665b7] - 23 hits

    [i:c1ecb665b7]site:www.fastfude.org "tinpot anto" "cynical"[/i:c1ecb665b7] - 18 hits

    [i:c1ecb665b7]site:www.fastfude.org "tinpot anto" "immoral"[/i:c1ecb665b7] - 4 hits

    [i:c1ecb665b7]site:www.fastfude.org "tinpot anto" "[b:c1ecb665b7]beer[/b:c1ecb665b7]"[/i:c1ecb665b7] - [b:c1ecb665b7]52 hits[/b:c1ecb665b7]


    "Beer" is apparently more than twice as sane a response as "Wise Up". I wholeheartedly agree.
  148. avatar Box Marked Commie
    Look....
    [b:d45273665e]
    YOU WEREN'T THERE AT THE START OF THE THREAD! YOU WEREN'T THERE! YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! YOU WEREN'T THERE AT THE BEGINNING! YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT!!!!!111[/b:d45273665e] :lol:
  149. avatar tenrabbits
    Could we not change the title of this thread to "Anto Vs Feline in battle of self-importance"? More accurate anyway.
  150. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:e8a121a488="Box Marked Commie"]YOU CAN'T SAY THAT![/quote:e8a121a488]

    I can and I did, and furthermore :

    site:www.fastfude.org "feline1" "beer" - 6 hits

    site:www.fastfude.org "feline1" "murder" - 33 hits

    site:www.fastfude.org "feline1" "kill" - 85 hits

    site:www.fastfude.org "feline1" "hate" - 102 hits

    site:www.fastfude.org "feline1" "exactly" - 168 hits

    site:www.fastfude.org "feline1" "i mean" - 238 hits


    Ergo Feline1 is naught but a purveyor of hatred and murder and he apparently [b:e8a121a488]does mean it[/b:e8a121a488], [b:e8a121a488]exactly.[/b:e8a121a488] He plainly needs more beer.
  151. avatar I'mDead
    Have you done a search for Feline saying either 'Schite' or 'Ahine'?

    It's probably best not to, or you might break the internet.
  152. avatar Pete
    I think Mr Grace Jones should apply for european and lottery funding to continue this valuable research. For I believe within all these statistics will ultimately lie the answer to the Plectrum Conundrum.
  153. avatar Tele
    Or indeed, the fingers conundrum depending on how you live your life.

    And just for the records...

    site:www.fastfude.org "fingers" gives 274 hits.

    site:www.fastfude.org "plectrum" gives 33 hits.

    It's clear that we have a winner.
  154. avatar The Grace Jones
    Your count displays the plainest evidence of gerrymandering, on the basis that many denizens of fastfude use their fingers for all kinds of unscrupulous purposes and thusly and unless a recount is had with very strict areas of definition to enable plectrum users from outlying constituencies such as Castlewellan to have their say, I am stepping down from the committee until this issue is resolved. And I shall be claiming full pay until it is.
  155. avatar tenrabbits
    Shut it you plectrocrat.
  156. avatar sera
    I do sincerely hope that the little girl is found, I really wouldn't wish that kind of pain on anyone whatsoever.

    I do however, find hard to swallow, the hypocritical campaign that is ongoing.

    If this had been a 'working class' or 'council' family - there would not be a media campaign like this AND they would certainly be terrorised for LEAVING their kids alone. Who cares if you ''check back every half hour'' - that's really not good enough - that little child could have wandered off or anything - god only knows.

    There have been many cases since January of British Children going missing abroad but this seems to be the only one we have heard so much about and why? Because they're a well to do family - top cardiologist and all that!

    Anyhow just wanted to voice my opinion and I hope none are offended by it and I'll finish off by saying I really do hope the little girl is found safe and sound.
  157. avatar T Entertainment
    Another voice of sanity:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article1865968.ece


    "Where the welfare of a child is concerned one must, in Britain, now be obsessed – especially when there is a whiff of abuse. And not merely obsessed but hysterically, visibly, mawkishly so."
  158. avatar T Entertainment
    On the other hand, Ulrika in the News of the Screws say this:


    We're there for the McCanns

    @...it could be our nightmare, our hunt for an answer, OUR CHILD.

    The plight of this missing tot has haunted my thoughts and my dreams, maybe because I have a little girl with the same cheeky, toddler smile.

    This case sent a chill through me when I thought about the downstairs bedroom where my kids sleep at our Swedish house— with the windows open in summer. We've all examined our behaviour and thanked God it's not us frantically casting around for ways to keep the world's attention on our terrible loss.

    With that in mind, I can only look on in awe as these two private people steel themselves to another day in the spotlight...and all for Maddie.

    Prayer

    Their daily appearances—cuddling their twins, guiding each other by hand and by heart, or receiving the Pope's blessing—have ensured this amazing couple have become a part of us all.

    Kate and Gerry are now OUR family and we are theirs. Maddie is my daughter and she's yours too.

    Every morning my six-year-old tells me she said a prayer for Maddie the night before. Perhaps your children do the same?

    So I hope the McCanns will ignore the spiteful sniping of a few heartless—and probably childless— cynics and realise they must continue to keep this hunt at the forefront of people's minds. When this is all over they need to know that whatever the outcome— and pray God it's the one that we all hope for—they did everything they possibly could.

    The thought that this story will slowly fade and disappear until we can barely remember Maddie's name fills me with panic.

    No matter where this journey ends, if Gerry and Kate can find the courage to be strong for their daughter then we must be strong for them.

    No matter how long it takes, we are counting the days to her return.

    We are in it for the long haul. Whatever it takes."
  159. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    yes but has that Siberian Husky been found yet?
  160. avatar die the flu
    2 important points here:

    [quote:2c0c76eaeb]Or indeed, the fingers conundrum depending on how you live your life.

    And just for the records...

    site:www.fastfude.org "fingers" gives 274 hits.

    site:www.fastfude.org "plectrum" gives 33 hits.

    It's clear that we have a winner.[/quote:2c0c76eaeb]

    I was the protagonist of the "fingers" argument (which ultimately spilled in to (and reached it's grim conclusion) in the toilets of Auntie Annie's at the Feline Dream homecoming show - 'ooer missus'). TGJ made weak "plectrum" arguments, even back then. You're still wrong.

    [quote:2c0c76eaeb]If this had been a 'working class' or 'council' family - there would not be a media campaign like this AND they would certainly be terrorised for LEAVING their kids alone. Who cares if you ''check back every half hour'' - that's really not good enough - that little child could have wandered off or anything - god only knows.

    There have been many cases since January of British Children going missing abroad but this seems to be the only one we have heard so much about and why? Because they're a well to do family - top cardiologist and all that!
    [/quote:2c0c76eaeb]

    That's a worryingly common vibe. Is it their fault they're doctors?

    Actually, er, is that really a "fault"?
  161. avatar T Entertainment
    "yes but has that Siberian Husky been found yet?"

    Grizz, it's hard to believe compassion like that can be expressed by the childless. You must have some wee Grizzler lurking about that you/we don't know about.
  162. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:16defeed44="die the flu"]I was the protagonist of the "fingers" argument (which ultimately spilled in to (and reached it's grim conclusion) in the toilets of Auntie Annie's at the Feline Dream homecoming show - 'ooer missus'). TGJ made weak "plectrum" arguments, even back then. You're still wrong.
    [/quote:16defeed44]

    Yadda yadda yadda Jaco Pastorius yadda yadda.
    I notice you've switched from bass to guitar since then.
    I trust you are playing it fingerstyle?
    I'll fight you.
  163. avatar kingmob
    I propose a fingers vs plectrum bass off. It will be the only way to bring Maddie back.
  164. avatar The Grace Jones
    The point is that, in order to have a basic foundation for bass playing, there has to be an accepted, and objective notion of "fingers". Die the Flu might say that "fingers" is the greatest happiness for the greatest number, but what makes it so? This then blurs the line between utilitarianism fingerstyle and secular plectrumism, but if the sole basis for bass is the intrinsic worth of the bass player, you have to have some sort of basis for this intrinsic worth, and therefore again some notion of the universal "fingers"...... It's all very well saying that each playing style has intrinsic value, but why? What kind of value can this be, and from whence does it gain it's standards? The playing style is only valuable if you accept that there is value, and that the bassist displays this value. but the bassist can't be the cause of it's value, otherwise we could say that everything is as valuable as everything else. You must be able to say "the bassist is valuable because.....”

    And I think that ultimately leads to Plectrum, if you think about it long and hard enough.
  165. avatar kingmob
    So long as both fingers and plectrum have a yellow ribbon tied around it and the bass-off includes a funk odyssey called "Cuddle cat", it does not matter.
  166. avatar The Natural
    Ulrike says all the things we should say, but are afraid to in case we're subjected to howling derision for the rest of our careers..
    As a result of that piece, every time I think of her I won't know whether to cry or w@nk.
  167. avatar feline1
    I see the Portuguese poliss have *finally* realised what we all knew all along - that the parents killed their wee gurl themselves.

    QUELLE FECKING SUPRISE.
  168. avatar kingmob
    Apparently the Portuguese police will be using Fastfude as evidence in the court case.
  169. avatar feline1
    Fair play to the parents though for milking their "doth protest too much" Fiften Minutes of Fame to the hilt, though!
  170. avatar T Entertainment
    I'm still fairly sure it was Kingmob, it was he and he alone who started this evil, nay wicked, thread.


    The coverage of her arrival to be given 'suspect' status was very rum indeed. Loads of tourists and Portugese turned up to shout abuse at yer woman. She had 'cuddle cat' sticking out of her handbag. Whatever the score is, this really is just the latest stage in a pretty grotesque circus.
  171. avatar nonlogic liam
    The ole bitch!
  172. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    All posts made by the 'childless' should be removed from this thread.
  173. avatar kingmob
    Um, why? Just because people aren't parents doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on this.

    Should we not be allowed to comment on football threads because we have never played for a professional side? Or films because we have never worked on a movie? Or war because we have never been a soldier? etc etc etc etc.
  174. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    Yours can stay. I'm just a keen Ulrika fan.
  175. avatar tinpot anto
    I told you the Middle Classes should all be jailed before they do this to [i:7bef1469fb]your[/i:7bef1469fb] child. It's only a matter of time.
  176. avatar feline1
    this thread isn't about HAVING children,
    it's about MURDERING them.

    By all means, let everyone on the forum who has ever murdered their wee'uns speak up! :lol:
  177. avatar kingmob
    [quote:014f7d7da2="Zwaddap_deep_doo"]Yours can stay. I'm just a keen Ulrika fan.[/quote:014f7d7da2]

    Sorry there. Irony bypass. Carry on :lol:
  178. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:4956fcd864]I'm just a keen Ulrika fan.[/quote:4956fcd864]

    Ha, ha your the fan of a child murderer. I'm telling children about you. I bet your walls are smeared with pictures of this vile women and you think about her every two seconds. All I can say is: THE OLE BITCH!
  179. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    I'm not comfortable with the idea of you telling children anything Liam.
  180. avatar nonlogic liam
    I am telling them about you and they will be thankful for it.
  181. avatar fastfude
    What's with the constant reference to "arguida" in all the reporting? Is "suspect" not scandalous enough that they have to introduce an ominous foreign phrase to crank up the suspense?

    I like how the Google Translate Portugese to English service translates "arguida" as "arguida".
  182. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    Fatally injure 6 teenagers, 3 toddlers and a yorkshire terrier and suddenly you're a monster. Some people need to take a long hard look at their own lives.
  183. avatar kingmob
    [quote:a49f693e1f="fastfude"]What's with the constant reference to "arguida" in all the reporting? Is "suspect" not scandalous enough that they have to introduce an ominous foreign phrase to crank up the suspense?

    I like how the Google Translate Portugese to English service translates "arguida" as "arguida".[/quote:a49f693e1f]

    It kinda sounds like "omerta", which is vaguely threatening.

    Sad as it is, this is absolute gold for the Daily Mail/Expresses of the world. If she is innocent, they have a massive stick to beat the inbred foreigners with. If she is guilty, then she has Betrayed Britain and a burn the witch campaign can start.

    It's interesting that the UK papers have started referring to the Portuguese newspaper that has been quoting police sources as "respected".
  184. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:d128489ea4="nonlogic liam"]I am telling them about you and they will be thankful for it.[/quote:d128489ea4]

    See my avatar. That's a representation of what it's like when you talk to children. The dog is you and the man on the ground is a deeply disturbed little girl.
  185. avatar T Entertainment
    "All posts made by the 'childless' should be removed from this thread."

    All childless should be locked up. And then executed.
    If you had children, you'd understand.
  186. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    Don't listen to HIM! He's probably CHILDLESS!
  187. avatar tinpot anto
    Youse are wrong, it's the middle classes. They only have children so they can kill them in bizarre ceremonies to their vile Gods of dark-wood furniture and soft-jazz and then eat them, which is what happened here, clearly.
  188. avatar The enfant terrible
    True enough, if one of our bog trotting wee runts went missing no one in England would give too fu-cks. Not even if it was a 6 year old blonde lassie from the the malone road whose da was a dentist.
  189. avatar feline1
    Didn't this woman go to meet the pope and everything?
    Pope Palpatine?
    Didn't that give anyone a wee hint?
    I mean what does she have to do, personally attend a NAMBLA residential weekend?
  190. avatar The enfant terrible
    Madelaine McCann is the new princess diana, some media constructed icon to offload all your sadness and fear that doesn't have another outlet. Scream and cry for all the sh-it that went wrong in your life and tell people you're crying for poor madelaine and they will give you an understanding sympathetic hug and you can take that as confort for all the crap no one really cares about that happened in your past and then you can have "closure". Aww
  191. avatar Pix
    according to [url]http://translation2.paralink.com/[/url], 'arguida' means 'tested'.. :?
  192. avatar nonlogic liam
    Madelaine McCann the peoples petit princess, liver of life, dyer of death.
  193. avatar tinpot anto
    "dyer" I object to as a word, it looks wrong.

    Priests are Middle Class by virtue of profession - look at the horrors they have perpetrated on our children "Folk Mass at 10.30 am etc"
  194. avatar T Entertainment
    "Madeleine McCann's blood was found in a car her parents rented 25 days after they reported the girl missing, a family spokeswoman told CNN. Police today told the girl's mother she is a formal suspect and a family friend told The Associated Press the girl's father also would be named a suspect."



    Doesn't look great, does it? I wish the nyoos would stop rolling out this stream of highly articulate McCann relatives insisting on their innocence and calling on everyone to 'get back to the search'. Lives are going to be (more) ruined before this it out...There's a mob gathered outside the copshop. It's all going a bit French Revolution.

    Jesus wept, Kate McCann's father is now claiming the killer planted his grandaughter's DNA in the hire car four weeks after the death, to frame her! I mean whatever happened, that is the most ludicrous conspiracy theory I've heard yet.
  195. avatar feline1
    Clearly, for most of the time she was "missing",
    the McCann parents had their daughter all along,
    indulging in evil illuminati reptiloids rituals with her.
  196. avatar kingmob
    [quote:0b63b1f1c6]She entered the building to the sound of a few whistles and some shouts in Portuguese from the waiting crowd.

    One British tourist shouted: "We believe you, Kate." [/quote:0b63b1f1c6]

    At least the tourist didn't shout "Come on Tim!".
  197. avatar tinpot anto
    When you enter what the Portuguese crowd shouted into google translator it translated as "Media Circus Witch Hunt Hate Figure-of-the-Week!"
  198. avatar T Entertainment
    This is obviously going to end with the UK and Portugal going to war. AND WE WON THE LAST TIME, SO WATCH IT, DAGO!

    But seriously, what sort of holidaying SPASTIC is waiting outside that police station?! You should see them on the box, they're grinning like chimps.


    The tabloids are in a rictus of uncertainty on how to potentially turn the corner from 'world's most loving mother' to 'the most evil woman since Myra Hindley'.
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  199. avatar dOUBLEwONDERFUL
    Would be funny if this was an elaborate prank gone wrong.
  200. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:57366e99dd="T Entertainment"]
    But seriously, what sort of holidaying SPASTIC is waiting outside that police station?! You should see them on the box, they're grinning like chimps.[/quote:57366e99dd]

    The same spastics that waited outside the police station for Maxine Carr and cried bitterly over Princess Diana, all the way back to shouting "free Barabas" at the crucifixion.

    Just a bunch of old Sun/Daily mirror/ Daily Mail reading spastics. Not too far removed from Guardian reading spastics who go to palestine to get mowed down by Israeli tanks.
  201. avatar gl2200
    [quote:6ce28025f0="T Entertainment"]This is obviously going to end with the UK and Portugal going to war. AND WE WON THE LAST TIME, SO WATCH IT, DAGO![/quote:6ce28025f0]

    Honest question: when?
  202. avatar T Entertainment
    Oh I meant the football. And actually we lost that too.
    As you were.
  203. avatar Baronation
    Indeed the Portugese and UK have held a military alliance since, well, ages ago.

    During The Falklands War The Ports even offered the use of their bases in The Azores. Although I believe that during one their joint military campaigns in the 1800's the Portugese tried to surrender and where instead shot by British Officers.
  204. avatar ginpromo
    http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=31

    Check out Daily Mirror Forums, they really are all mental and possibly lacking employment!!
  205. avatar The enfant terrible
    I've just had a look at those forums and I really wish the Daily Mirror would run a campaign telling their readers to dive into the sea lemmings style, that would really get rid of all this foaming at the mouth style bullsh-it that the readers of this paper live for.

    KILL YOURSELVES AND SAVE MADDIE!

    is what it should read.
  206. avatar ginpromo
    Agree, apparently if you say anything positive or support the mccanns you are called a troll or chimp, the irony
  207. avatar die the flu
    [quote:ddb089b22b="The enfant terrible"][quote:ddb089b22b="T Entertainment"]
    But seriously, what sort of holidaying SPASTIC is waiting outside that police station?! You should see them on the box, they're grinning like chimps.[/quote:ddb089b22b]

    The same spastics that waited outside the police station for Maxine Carr and cried bitterly over Princess Diana, all the way back to shouting "free Barabas" at the crucifixion.

    Just a bunch of old Sun/Daily mirror/ Daily Mail reading spastics. Not too far removed from Guardian reading spastics who go to palestine to get mowed down by Israeli tanks.[/quote:ddb089b22b]

    Is it not "scope" now?
  208. avatar The Grace Jones
    This whole thing smells fishy-er than that local chap's willy did after he claimed an Eastern European flower-seller "stole" £40 out of his side pocket.
  209. avatar T Entertainment
    The Sun have helpfully provided a graphic de guilt today:

    [img:a932cb13c4]http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2007412611,00.jpg[/img:a932cb13c4]
  210. avatar dOUBLEwONDERFUL
    I hear Cuddle Cat sales are going through the roof.
  211. avatar tinpot anto
    Cuddle Cat did it.
  212. avatar T Entertainment
    The journalistic supertanker is beginning its 180 degree turn:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=480628&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
  213. avatar feline1
    Sure most doctors are arrogant @ssholes. And have spent far too long cutting up human cadavers.
    Why I saw this pharmacist of "Tales of the Unexpected" last night mudered his own mistress my mistake (he was trying to murder Miriam Morgoyles instead......)
  214. avatar Damn Pest
    everton serial killer on the loose who next arteta ??
    screw a few dream teams up
  215. avatar gavinearly
    If Kate McCann is found guilty the M in MILF can now stand for murderer.

    I hope the police sort it out as I'm sick of all the media hype and them playing the martyr. Interesting they now suddenly want to go back to the UK.

    It fascinates me how the crappy tabloids who supported them as loving responsible parents are now villifying them.
  216. avatar nonlogic liam
    The Ole Bitch!
  217. avatar That Man Fanjo
    I wonder who would win in a fight between Mrs McCann and pug-faced, retired baby-throttler Louise Woodward.
  218. avatar dOUBLEwONDERFUL
    Just wait till Morrissey writes a song about it. Then I'll make my decision, like I do with all my child murderers.
  219. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:17d7464e4a="That Man Fanjo"]I wonder who would win in a fight between Mrs McCann and pug-faced, retired baby-throttler Louise Woodward.[/quote:17d7464e4a]

    Luise Woodward isn't a baby throttler. That baby died from Shaken Baby Syndrome, which was then an unrecognised condition, how was she supposed to know that that particular child had Shaken Baby Syndrome, it wasn't her fault it was genetics.
  220. avatar ginpromo
    [quote:1aaf62c943="The enfant terrible"][quote:1aaf62c943="That Man Fanjo"]I wonder who would win in a fight between Mrs McCann and pug-faced, retired baby-throttler Louise Woodward.[/quote:1aaf62c943]

    Luise Woodward isn't a baby throttler. That baby died from Shaken Baby Syndrome, which was then an unrecognised condition, how was she supposed to know that that particular child had Shaken Baby Syndrome, it wasn't her fault it was genetics.[/quote:1aaf62c943]

    oh you terrible enfant ;-)
  221. avatar feline1
    Isn't it high time that Social Services took the remaining McCann children away into care?
    I mean their parents are infanticide suspects!
  222. avatar gavinearly
    No, that would probably demonstrate lateral thinking which this entire saga has been completely bereft of from the start.
  223. avatar T Entertainment
    They haven't even got all the forensics back yet, there could well be a lot worse to come.
    I see Ulrika's NOTW column dealt with this turn of events by choosing to completely ignore it.
    The Sundays were all desperately trying to find the right tone today. My money is on Kate McCann being the most hated person on the face of the planet by the end of the year.
  224. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Funny that since the British coppers have got involved and the quality of their forensic science is much better than the shambles of the Portuguese Police all enquires now lead back to the McCann's.

    Now when I said to people a few weeks ago, that I thought something was up with the parents, I got looked at like I was the devil himself. This thing will run and run.
  225. avatar feline1
    All that can save her now is a charity protest single by Jonathan King 8)
  226. avatar Shane
    [quote:4aa237a7d3="feline1"]All that can save her now is a charity protest single by Jonathan King 8)[/quote:4aa237a7d3]

    In the words of Youtube users, u r a r-tod.
  227. avatar T Entertainment
    The Portugese police have spent too long running round with bits of the chid's DNA taken from the body they've secretly found, and planting it in the McCann's hire car, to conduct a proper investigation.
  228. avatar Shane
    [quote:c15ab6303c="T Entertainment"]The Portugese police have spent too long running round with bits of the chid's DNA taken from the body they've secretly found, and planting it in the McCann's hire car, to conduct a proper investigation.[/quote:c15ab6303c]

    You're another sick cnut.
    Maybe it's the drink talkin, but this matter isn't really funny.
    The most sinister part of it is that if either of the McCann parents are responsible, instead of ownin up to what happened (even accidentally) to the girl, they decided to turn the whole thing into a fu@king soap opera - it's more important for them to save face and continue with their lives after something dreadful has happened to their daughter.
    If my child died due to my own carelessness, then I'd give myself the death penalty - length of rope, lamp post, and lead foot joe with the accelerator.
  229. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    oh look at you.
  230. avatar savoy truffle
    Steady on there. I think people are slagging the media's coverage of the case rather than the actual kidnapping/death. The Daily Express have now found their new Diana. It's about selling papers for them. Sick.
  231. avatar T Entertainment
    Hang on here that is EXACTLY what they are saying! How else did they 'plant' DNA evidence in the car?
    This is a grotesque circus but wild claims like that are making it much worse.
    And before anyone uses this a stick to batter FF with, basically every single message board in the world is having the same discussion.
  232. avatar Shane
    [quote:aeaacf659e="dirty stevie smitty"]oh look at you.[/quote:aeaacf659e]

    Yer ma.
  233. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    A noble response to the ongoing quest to find out excatly what happened to the child.
  234. avatar Shane
    [quote:2ed6d8be95="dirty stevie smitty"]A noble response to the ongoing quest to find out excatly what happened to the child.[/quote:2ed6d8be95]

    Yer da.
  235. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    No,

    yer ma and your da.
  236. avatar T Entertainment
    One things for sure, the McCanns show no sign of going back to the Portugal this side of formal extradition proceedings.
  237. avatar greensleevesisgod
    I hope the parents wake up some day to find that it was all just a dream and they are still on holiday. :(
  238. avatar Shane
    [quote:c907eb83ba="dirty stevie smitty"]No,

    yer ma and your da.[/quote:c907eb83ba]

    Yer ma's yer da, and I'm bound to be outta posts soon..
  239. avatar tinpot anto
    My honest assessment is that it's a cock-up in forensics. When things take that long, it's not because they're being careful, it's because they've fecked up, that's a general rule of analytical chemistry.

    edit: rather important "not" missing there.
  240. avatar my-angel-rocks
    You know something may be up when they've roped in the guy who defended pinochet against extradition charges

    And *now* they call for privacy, another set of media manipulators who think they can turn media attention on and off like a light
  241. avatar nonlogic liam
    Bring back the witches chair and the shroud of shame. Medieval humiliation, the only way forward, surely?
  242. avatar Andrew
    Enough about your sex life.
  243. avatar kingmob
    Some [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2165749,00.html]muesli-wearing[/url], [url=http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/martin_bell/2007/09/media_madness.html]sandal munchers[/url] jump into the fray. It's a damning indictment of Blair's Britain, I tell you.

    [quote:9eacd8bb23="Max Hastings"]These crimes sell a great many papers, which neither Iraq nor Darfur will do. Some colleagues would accuse me of an absurd squeamishness, because I hang my head in shame at what our trade, as well as the Portuguese police, has made of the McCann story. They would say the world has been ever thus, since the days of Jack the Ripper.

    But it seems reasonable to recoil from the situation that now exists. Unless an outsider is caught and convicted of Madeleine's death, the reputations of the McCann family are irreparably damaged. Before charges or any trial, an irremovable stain of suspicion has been cast by police, and broadcast by the media. Even if the McCanns are indicted tomorrow, the principles of natural justice have been flouted in the most shameful fashion.[/quote:9eacd8bb23]
  244. avatar my-angel-rocks
    We need to get Kocmotex (from the first link) to post on Fastfude, he/she'd fit in perfectly.
  245. avatar That Man Fanjo
    The following fictional detectives would get to the bottom of this missing nipper jiggery-pokery (listed in order, based upon how quickly they would nab the baddy)...

    Harry Bosch

    Jack Reacher

    Quincy

    Dr Kay Scarpetta

    Dangermouse
  246. avatar T Entertainment
    The Portugese police, who have shown remarkable restraint so far in the face of outlandish claims from everyone involved with the McCann campaign, allowed this to be published today. It also underlines the fact that at the very least the McCanns could be charged with criminal negligence at any time under Portugese law (as they could if this had happened in the UK). It would seem they are holding out for a much worse charge:

    Arguidos and return

    opinion article by Paulo Pereira Cristovao, ex-inspector at Policia Judiciaria

    The last fourty eight hours have significantly marked the Madeleine case. The parents have abandoned national territory with the justification that their younger children needed to return to their normal life in the United Kingdom. We think that, after 129 days in Portugal, they could have waited another four or five, in order to clarify unequivocally, when the Policia Judiciaria holds all the forensic results, that which they believe to be their total lack of responsibility in the disappearance of little Madeleine. The truth is that the status of arguidos that was imposed on them, is the normal consequence after the appearance of strong clues that could question their former statements as witnesses. It is also true, and they know it well, that whether in the United Kingdom or in Portugal, leaving three children on their own in an apartment that provided access like that one did, is a penally relevant illicit act.

    It is not less true that, contrary to what relatives that are close to the couple have been referring over the last two days, the Policia Judiciaria has always treated them as victims, which means they were always seen as parents whom a daughter was taken away from. That was the way it was, and the way it was supposed to be. The presumption of innocence is applied to all those about whom no condemning sentence was spoken. Initially, there was no reason to make any more or less evaluative judgment about this couple. They were parents whom a daughter had been taken away from, and that is enough for the police. It just happens that investigations are always a string that one pulls without knowing how long it is, or what could be inside the ball. Police have reconstructed that night the best way it was possible to do. It was the unmaking of the string ball that naturally lead to the last fourty-eight hours, when, according to what the Penal Process Code instructs to do in such situations, the couple had to be granted the right not to say anything that might incriminate them; not to answer any questions and even to lie without any punishment for it. Given these facts, can anyone still seriously say that there is a will from the Police to falsely and intentionally incriminate Maddie’s parents? Wouldn’t it be more comfortable for the police to keep them as witnesses, a status that forces them to speak about everything and to respond without any possibility to omit or lie about any fact? The answers are obvious.

    One doubt disturbs us. Being a fact that close relatives have widely defamed the Portuguese police, saying they planted evidence and comitted other actions that are difficult to describe, will the McCanns return to Portugal, if and when the Portuguese justice calls them for further clarification? And, if they eventually refuse to do so, will the British government place them in Portuguese territory? We will have to wait. From our side, we will certainly continue to pursue an unbiased, committed investigation, which will stay immune to northern winds that will certainly blow harder over the coming times.
  247. avatar kingmob
    I bet you think it was Amy Winehouse and Klaxons, don't you?
  248. avatar T Entertainment
    I'm totally addicted to that Anorak site you wired us off about Kingmob, you b*stard. It's been great on this.
  249. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    The most disturbing line I've heard from the McCann family was from the kids aunt 'Philomena McCann' who stated they had to leave Portugal as the safety of the twins was under threat. The woman is clearly a cnut.

    Now I find all this PR from their relatives to be bang out of order. Portugal has been a member state of the EU for over 20 years and is no banana republic. Yes their foresenic science may leave a lot to be desired, but the campaign being whipped up by the McCann's is nothing more than good old fashioned xenophobia.

    The simple fact remains, that since the British Rozzers have got involved in the case, all roads lead back to the parents. The ball is in their court to prove their innocence.


    edit: just ran out of posts...
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  250. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:e8a1faeefa="dirty stevie smitty"]The ball is in their court to prove their innocence.[/quote:e8a1faeefa]

    That's an interesting take on the "law"
  251. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:f97ed30b91="dirty stevie smitty"]The ball is in their court to prove their innocence.[/quote:f97ed30b91]

    Err.. no it's not smitty - that goes against the first principle of judicial process - that people are innocent until proven guilty.
  252. avatar feline1
    [quote:1e341348b4="tenrabbits"][quote:1e341348b4="dirty stevie smitty"]The ball is in their court to prove their innocence.[/quote:1e341348b4]

    Err.. no it's not smitty - that goes against the first principle of judicial process - that people are innocent until proven guilty.[/quote:1e341348b4]

    lucky they didn't murder their daughter in France then :lol: :lol:
  253. avatar kingmob
    [quote:c1e471dc7e="T Entertainment"]I'm totally addicted to that Anorak site you wired us off about Kingmob, you b*stard. It's been great on this.[/quote:c1e471dc7e]

    Which site was this again? The Guardian talkboards have been a frenzy too. Clearly eating too much muesli...
  254. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    i have no clue whether they did it or not, neither does anyone else...i sincerely hope they didnt

    i really find it horrifying that so many people seem to want them to have done it
  255. avatar T Entertainment
    There are all sorts of important questions emerging from this latest turn of events. Not least of which is why are they allowing that attention hungry loon Philomena to speak for them?! She's accused the Portugese police of being corrupt to the point of framing and now that the twins are under threat.
    Why is Gerry McCann refusing to divulge what happened during questioning when he is no longer bound by Portugese law from doing so, and he claims this questioning is the central part of a process of stitching him up? Why is he now demanding the cash from the fund to find his daughter is diverted to pay for Pinchoet's defence lawyer 'to clear our names so we can get back to the search for Madeline'?
    Seems fairly obvious to me that the McCanns are angling for avoiding automatic extradition to Portugal under current European legilsation by claiming the Portugese press and police have prejdiced the scope for a fair trial...because they've been advised phone tap and email intercept evidence is not admissible n the UK as it is in Portugal.
    It's looking inceasingly like they've been under close surveillance for a long time...


    I don't know anyone who wants it to have turned out that two parents somehow killed their child then embarked on an unprecedented campaign of global deception. Let's just see where due process takes the case.
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  256. avatar feline1
    [quote:91a61f7b4a="Numbnut Sounds"]

    i really find it horrifying that so many people seem to want them to have done it[/quote:91a61f7b4a]

    Choice A: an uncaught child abducterer is still on the loose, and could be snatching someone else at any second!

    Choice B: the parents are convicted for their cryme, and Joe Public gets to WISE UP a bit about their preconceived notions about foreigners, paedos, and thin blonde ladies.
    Fact still remains that most paedos are hetereosexualist parents.
  257. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:251104ebe2="T Entertainment"]There are all sorts of important questions emerging from this latest turn of events. Not least of which is why are they allowing that attention hungry loon Philomena to speak for them?! She's accused the Portugese police of being corrupt to the point of framing and now that the twins are under threat.
    Why is Gerry McCann refusing to divulge what happened during questioning when he is no longer bound by Portugese law from doing so, and he claims this questioning is the central part of a process of stitching him up? Why is he now demanding the cash from the fund to find his daughter is diverted to pay for Pinchoet's defence lawyer 'to clear our names so we can get back to the search for Madeline'?
    Seems fairly obvious to me that the McCanns are angling for avoiding automatic extradition to Portugal under current European legilsation by claiming the Portugese press and police have prejdiced the scope for a fair trial...because they've been advised phone tap and email intercept evidence is not admissible n the UK as it is in Portugal.
    It's looking inceasingly like they've been under close surveillance for a long time...[/quote:251104ebe2]

    Guilty or innocent, no matter what they say it will be interpreted whatever way is felt fit...by whoever has an agenda. By saying nothing he's just protecting himself from more crap.

    I'd say hes demanding the cash cos they need it as there seemingly a "case" against them...doesnt mean they are guilty.

    At the end of the day they are just doing what anyone else would do.

    Id be taking my other kids home...yeah they could have done it earlier, again if i was in that situation...now is probably an ideal time to go. Whats wrong with that? it doesnt mean they killed their daughter.

    Who wouldnt do anything to clear their name?
  258. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:19ce4d94e4="feline1"][quote:19ce4d94e4="Numbnut Sounds"]

    i really find it horrifying that so many people seem to want them to have done it[/quote:19ce4d94e4]

    Choice A: an uncaught child abducterer is still on the loose, and could be snatching someone else at any second!

    Choice B: the parents are convicted for their cryme, and Joe Public gets to WISE UP a bit about their preconceived notions about foreigners, paedos, and thin blonde ladies.
    Fact still remains that most paedos are hetereosexualist parents.[/quote:19ce4d94e4]

    jeez, i never thought of it that way...cheers
  259. avatar T Entertainment
    That money was raised with a specific purpose - to keep the missing child in the headlines and to further the search.
    It cannot be used for any other purpose, least of all to pay lawyers in a criminal case, without leaving the organisers of the fund open to to a clear charge of fraudulently raising cash. It would easily be successfully legally challenged anyway.

    ADDS: if this just in is born out, the whole thing is about to perform a 180 degree turn: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1283359,00.html
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  260. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:36918ffb1a="T Entertainment"]That money was raised with a specific purpose - to keep the missing child in the headlines and to further the search.
    It cannot be used for any other purpose, least of all to pay lawyers in a criminal case, without leaving the organisers of the fund open to to a clear charge of fraudulently raising cash. It would easily be successfully legally challenged anyway.[/quote:36918ffb1a]

    Yep, and they wont be getting any of it for those purposes...i dont get what the point is of asking "why are they asking for the money"
  261. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Oh dear the news that has broke in the last couple of hours has well and truely put the sh1t onto the McCann's.

    Let's see if they will go back to Portugal without a fuss. Doubt it somehow.
  262. avatar T Entertainment
    This could end with the cops sledgehammering in the door to get them on a flight to Faro. All the papers are now turning, and there's no more Gerry and Kate, it's 'the McCanns' on the front pages. If the line on this forensic evidence is accurate, then it's all over. [i:bc5b583d7e]If[/i:bc5b583d7e] it is.
    It's starting to feel like OJ all over again... :?
  263. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    jeez, nightmare..... :shock:
  264. avatar rudedoodle
    But if they rented the car 25 days after she went missing, where was she in between times? And how would they get her into the boot and hidden somewhere else with no-one watching?


    [img:8290ef7b26]http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10102420A~Peter-Falk-Columbo-Posters.jpg[/img:8290ef7b26]
  265. avatar tinpot anto
    That's the man there.

    Arrogant successful doctors feign grief and think they have outsmarted the local fuzz, but they underestimate the terrier like determination and insight of this scruffy character.

    He's been in my head the whole way through this.
  266. avatar kingmob
    Yes, but Peter Falk is in your head all the time, Madeleine McCann case or not.

    Portuguese police have backtracked slightly on the 100% DNA match scenario. My money is on Louise Woodward.
  267. avatar tinpot anto
    My money is on a laboratory f*ck up, has been for a while.

    Peter Falk is my spirit guide, he was revealed to me in a peyote ceremony in the Yukutan, by a 317 year old Comanche Shaman called "Smickers"

    E'er I can call on his wisdom, and assortment of plastic clip on hands (with or without cigar), glass eyes (without or without knowing glint) and raincoat.
  268. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:d31b3587cb]Portuguese police have said forensic tests on a sample taken from a hire car used by the Rothley parents of Madeleine McCann are inconclusive.

    Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, head of the investigative Policia Judiciaria (PJ), told Portuguese state broadcaster RTP: "We can't say with certainty whether it was the blood of person 'A' or person 'B'. They help guide us in our investigation but not with the mathematical precision some people are saying," he said.

    Police had planned to submit their file to Algarve-based public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, but it will now be delivered on Tuesday morning, Mr Sousa said.[/quote:d31b3587cb]

    so all those headlines today about 100% proof may not quite be true then....

    ffs, this just get worse
  269. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:4f3d1ce7fc="rudedoodle"]But if they rented the car 25 days after she went missing, where was she in between times? And how would they get her into the boot and hidden somewhere else with no-one watching?[/quote:4f3d1ce7fc]

    Yeah I don'[t get that either. Though with the balls up the Portuguese police have made of this from the startit's not altogether impossible. Maybe they smuggled her out disguised as a "FIND MADDIE" poster with the real Maddie bluetacked on the whole time.
  270. avatar kingmob
    [quote:44e378b0d5]Though with the balls up the Portuguese police have made of this from the startit's not altogether impossible.[/quote:44e378b0d5]

    How have they ballsed it up? The UK government are happy with how they are dealing with the case.
  271. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:353a7ed7a7="kingmob"][quote:353a7ed7a7]Though with the balls up the Portuguese police have made of this from the startit's not altogether impossible.[/quote:353a7ed7a7]

    How have they ballsed it up? The UK government are happy with how they are dealing with the case.[/quote:353a7ed7a7]

    A number of British police have called it a balls up (my expression but the meaning's the same) for a start they didn't close off the room and do a forensic examination until every man and his dog had been through the room.
  272. avatar kingmob
    Really? I haven't seen that. Can you link me some articles (out of interest)? As far as I was aware the only criticism about the police has come from (*boke*) "Team McCann".
  273. avatar zebulon
    Serious question:
    I haven't been following the case and I'm curious about this one thing - where were the other two children at the time of the disappearance?
  274. avatar T Entertainment
    They were in the other bedroom - Kate MccCann came running back to the restaurant screaming 'They've taken her!' upon (she says) discovering Madeline was missing and left the other two children in the apartment. The apartment child snatchers had just lifted her other daughter from, which was some considerable distance from the restaurant and not in line of sight.


    Kingmob I heard you had a Team McCann propeller hat?
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  275. avatar kingmob
    It goes well with my Sleater Kinney t-shirt.
  276. avatar zebulon
    [quote:14b674cc78="T Entertainment"]They were in the other bedroom - Kate MccCann came running back to the restaurant screaming 'They've taken her!' upon (she says) discovering Madeline was missing and left the other two children in the apartment. The apartment child snatchers had just lifted her other daughter from.[/quote:14b674cc78]
    Cheers, Tents.
    And "good grief".
  277. avatar The Grace Jones
    Just stepped into a newsagents and as you would expect this is on nearly every front page, but the vast differences in what different papers are saying really displays how confused the apparent "facts" seem to be at this stage.
  278. avatar feline1
    [quote:8ae4c6fccc="zebulon"][quote:8ae4c6fccc="T Entertainment"]They were in the other bedroom - Kate MccCann came running back to the restaurant screaming 'They've taken her!' upon (she says) discovering Madeline was missing and left the other two children in the apartment. The apartment child snatchers had just lifted her other daughter from.[/quote:8ae4c6fccc]
    Cheers, Tents.
    And "good grief".[/quote:8ae4c6fccc]

    It's this kinda HOWLING continuity error which Columbo woulda had a field day with.
    Mind you, I'd prefer it if Inspector Kate Longton sorted it all out with some "rough Northern justice" and a "woman's touch"
    [img:8ae4c6fccc]http://tv.cream.org/images2/julietsteph.jpg[/img:8ae4c6fccc]
  279. avatar feline1
    Actually, remember that swingers party in The League of Gentlemen where they were all wired up to a breath control machine and but the organiser had a heart attack and died before he could switch it off so everyone died and the magic stop word of "Juliet Bravo" couldn't save them???

    I BET IT WAS JUST LIKE THAT AT THE McCANN BEDROOM! :(
  280. avatar The Grace Jones
    Columbo of course knew whomdunnit from day one and is merely waiting to pounce with a request for a signed photo of Person/s X for his wife.

    There is a Wikipedia entry on this, I have just discovered. (I haven't been following this either, apologies if it's already been posted).

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann[/url]
  281. avatar rudedoodle
    But how could the McCanns hide her so well not to be found by now?
  282. avatar zebulon
    [quote:7a788fd5b8="rudedoodle"]But how could the McCanns hide her so well not to be found by now?[/quote:7a788fd5b8]
    Maybe they are secret [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes]German Cannibals[/url]?
  283. avatar my-angel-rocks
    "Oh...you meant you wanted to cook using me, not with me. I see, easy mistake"
  284. avatar T Entertainment
    "But how could the McCanns hide her so well not to be found by now?"


    Before I get into this if everyone could avoid any 'oh the humanity, if you'd kids, you'd understand' b*lls, this is the most debated case online in the world right now - have a look if you don't believe me.

    Most of the 'they done it' theories I have read focus on another party being involved. The body would then have been hidden in another apartment, many of which were vacant at that point which was well before the school holidays.
    Why would the other person have involved themselves in this?
    The theory goes that the McCanns sedated their children that night and something went horribly wrong (there is a witness who said she heard Madeline screaming throughout the previous night when she was left in the apartment). They were holidaying with other doctors who were old friends and - it is suggested - one of them may have been involved with the sedation or provided the sedative.
    These people http://www.strongwood.net/news/07-08-2007-1525.asp during their private investigation discovered the child was autistic...fuelling the sedation line (for some theorists).

    So their motivation in becoming involved in the hiding of a body is to protect their families from the consequences of their inevitably being struck off and the focus of public outrage following discovery. At this point, they all suddenly realise that if events are allowed to take their natural course, their lives are f*cked, for good. Then it's decided that if you're going to lie, you might as well tell a big one.
    The hire car at the centre of this had previously been hired by one of the people who were present that night. At some point the body was taken away in the car, and dumped.
    That's a boiled down version of the more benign 'they done it' camp theories.
    You can find it and many variances on the discussion forums of any major UK newspaper. But that seems to be the general thrust.
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  285. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:668e186574="zebulon"]
    Maybe they are secret [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes]German Cannibals[/url]?[/quote:668e186574]

    Love that story. The little details like him reading the star trek book and accidentally burning the penis rendering it inedible are gold.
  286. avatar Pix
    Metzgermeister is The Grace Jone's new alias, i have decided.
  287. avatar rudedoodle
    T Ents, I'm not saying they didn't do it. I'm just curious to know what's going on because I haven't been following it closely and now find myself on Sky News at silly hours of the night so it's caught my interest!
  288. avatar T Entertainment
    I'm not saying they did do it either. That'll be for the courts to decide. I only put in all those provisos so no one would use it as a platform to prove how compassionate they are, which has been seen far too often in discussions everywhere of this incident...didn't mean you, btw!

    But it looks, well, bad. To say the least. On any number of levels.


    Philomena McCann has described the Portugese police as 'psychopaths'! I'm sure this Glaswegian housewife couch potato is correct and the Home Secretary who says she's perfectly satisfised with the investigation, is wrong.


    Churchwarden, I'll answer this for you, despite being suspicious of any communication with the childless...
    Last confirmed sighting of child was at 6.30pm AFAIK, on poolside CCTV footage. So there is a two and a half hour gap before the meal began.
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  289. avatar churchwarden
    T-Ent> - As you are clearly reading the net, so I don't have to,

    Is there any evidence that Maddie actually disappeared on the night in question - could she have not disappeared earlier in the day and then the whole "out for a meal, but checking back regularly" was a cover up while the body was already elsewhere ( and then moved again 25 days later in the hire car ).

    { The whole thing is turning into a rather morbid soap opera - the news is probably getting higher ratings than Coronation Street these days }
  290. avatar feline1
    Yeah I think Churchwarden is onto something -
    there'll always be a key Red Herring, some piece of info presented to you early on, which seems totally plausible and you don't question it, but actually is a complete lie and throws off the scent completely.
    It will all get revealed though in that "tight 4 shot" 7 minutes before the final ad break when sleuth explains all.
  291. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:b77959ba7b="The BBC"]In his blog, Mr McCann said he and his wife had absolute confidence that when all the facts were presented they would be able to show that "we played no part in Madeleine's [b:b77959ba7b]abduction[/b:b77959ba7b]". [/quote:b77959ba7b]

    One way or another I think I believe that. Y'see? Y'see?
  292. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:e3f0bfc946="T Entertainment"]These people http://www.strongwood.net/news/07-08-2007-1525.asp during their private investigation discovered the child was autistic...[/quote:e3f0bfc946]

    Surely if she was autistic other people would have known about it? Not saying she was or wasn't, but its not easy to hide autism.

    Though maybe it was one of the "images received by tested clairvoyance"?

    (I'm hoping clairvoyance is just a mistranslated word...)
  293. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    Ghoulish business this.
    You left the door unlocked and went for dinner half a mile away at some point during that dinner your wee girl was grabbed out of bed in daylight and no-one saw or head anything. Kinda' sounds made up now doesn't it?
  294. avatar feline1
    [quote:b36d572fbb="boarsheadtaverncheapside"]Ghoulish business this.
    You left the door unlocked and went for dinner half a mile away at some point during that dinner your wee girl was grabbed out of bed in daylight and no-one saw or head anything. Kinda' sounds made up now doesn't it?[/quote:b36d572fbb]

    Unless the wee girl went willingly,
    cos she thought her parents were EVIL and this new person was rescueing her.
  295. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    [quote:17ac05349b="feline1"][quote:17ac05349b="boarsheadtaverncheapside"]Ghoulish business this.
    You left the door unlocked and went for dinner half a mile away at some point during that dinner your wee girl was grabbed out of bed in daylight and no-one saw or head anything. Kinda' sounds made up now doesn't it?[/quote:17ac05349b]

    Unless the wee girl went willingly,
    cos she thought her parents were EVIL and this new person was rescueing her.[/quote:17ac05349b]

    Think you were right the first time, enjoy the glory Detective.
  296. avatar zebulon
    [quote:c9de4af6b4="The Grace Jones"][quote:c9de4af6b4="The BBC"]In his blog, Mr McCann said he and his wife had absolute confidence that when all the facts were presented they would be able to show that "we played no part in Madeleine's [b:c9de4af6b4]abduction[/b:c9de4af6b4]". [/quote:c9de4af6b4][/quote:c9de4af6b4][i:c9de4af6b4]In his [b:c9de4af6b4]blog[/b:c9de4af6b4][/i:c9de4af6b4]? In his f-cking [i:c9de4af6b4]blog[/i:c9de4af6b4]?
  297. avatar smittennn
    [url]http://www.findmadeleine.com/[/url]

    If the McCann's are innocent - the blog was a means of communication and record of these events.

    If they are proved not innocent "the unthinkable" catastrophic.

    sincere thanks to T'Ents for his balanced reportage and commentary. I've not posted much on this as my emotions cloud my logic.
  298. avatar The Grace Jones
    Hypothetically, which do you think would make the most money - the movie rights if the McCann's are guilty, or the McCann's book release if they are found innocent?
  299. avatar feline1
    The Movie's gonna be clawwws!

    The McCann's in the confession box in the Holy See with Da Pope, telling him how they're child-moiydahrin paedos -
    Pope Palpatine tapping his nose knowingly - "your secret is safe with me" - for it is then revealed that he's in fact a secret illuminati reptiloid! :shock: :shock:
    Mr McCann then faces a terrible choice - does he try and expose the Pope and save the werld from the evil V lizardoid invasion??? But if he does that, his own infanticide will be revealed!!!!
    Starring Bruce Willis as Mr McGann, Christopher Lee and/or Tony Head as the Pope.
    With a soundtrack by Murray "bloody" Gold.
  300. avatar my-angel-rocks
    Movie rights by a long way. Most book publishers are starting to realise that the insane amounts they're paying for biographies/memoirs aren't really making them any money.
  301. avatar The Grace Jones
    I have little doubt that scripts are already being penned.
  302. avatar T Entertainment
    There was a report earlier this week that Fox had pulled out of plans to shoot a TV movie based on the McCann's side of the story. The Murdoch empire are certainly shifting from unalloyed admiration and shrill defence (Ulrika et al) to outright suspicion. And it was Sky which broke the unsubstantiated DNA story.
    Has to be remembered that as they do regard the couple as suspects, any information coming into the public domain may be carefully callibrated to see what the reaction it gets.
    In a particularly ghoulish twist, the Mail and Star are now reporting that the Catholic Church the McCanns were given keys to so they could visit any time is going to be searched, and possibly dug up.
  303. avatar my-angel-rocks
    If the McCann's didn't do it, Murdoch can get Gerry McCann to write a book on how he would have done it if he had.
  304. avatar whosbainejakey
    Have Gerry Glennon's whereabouts at the time of the disappearance been ascertained? A definite candidate for arguido status, methinks.
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  305. avatar whosbainejakey
    Plus, he has a beard that's built for child smuggling.
  306. avatar T Entertainment
    Well, the speed with which the prosecutor's office felt able to pass the police file onto the judge this afternoon is telling, I'd say. They had it in their possession for about 3 hours. That suggests it's damning.
  307. avatar That Man Fanjo
    It was Michael Barrymore what done it.

    Although what "[b:b1dcf0c1bb][i:b1dcf0c1bb]it[/i:b1dcf0c1bb][/b:b1dcf0c1bb]" is remains a mystery, so the Beast of Light Entertainment will probably walk away scot free. Again.
  308. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:33992542b3="my-angel-rocks"]Surely if she was autistic other people would have known about it? Not saying she was or wasn't, but its not easy to hide autism.
    [/quote:33992542b3]

    i dont FULLY understand what the inference about her having Autism....however that is a a ridiculous statement.

    its not easy to hide autism??????????

    not only is there a huge "spectrum" of Autism, "it" does not necessarily, have physical attributes that can be "hidden"....anyway


    Getting back to previous theories...

    * The McCanns (a GP and a Consultant Surgeon)..sedated their child to aid sleep...not unheard of, not nice..but do you think theyd sedate a child of that age/size, so much as to cause death?

    * Their friends were involved in providing the sedative? What on earth would they have been giving her in order to need another Doctor to provide it?

    * Between them all (possibly 4 or more other Doctors) they have conspired to cover this up in fear of being "struck off"?

    This is plain ridiculous....ok, if they had caused her accident death...would these to Drs try to cover it up, let alone would these PARENTS do such a thing

    These people and their friends have "dedicated" their lives to their jobs (Medicine) i really cannot see how such decisions/conspiracies/cover ups could have happened...especially in such a short period of time

    [quote:33992542b3="boarsheadtaverncheapside"]You left the door unlocked and went for dinner [b:33992542b3]half a mile away[/b:33992542b3][/quote:33992542b3]
    so 120 metres becomes half a mile....thats an example of how people read and think what they want to
  309. avatar T Entertainment
    Well, if she died in that apartment accidentally at the hand of her parents, then they definitely decided to cover it up.
    Some have speculated that others may have been involved. I find that hard to comprehend myself but if someone else was required to dispose of a body, that's the only motivation which has been suggested. (This is on the more benign side, there are plenty of far worse scenarios being painted out there and they don't focus on accidental death through sedation.)
    The point about autism which has been made elsewhere is that this made it more likely she would have been loudly acting up and annoying the neighbours and consequently sedated. If this is what happened then clearly something went badly wrong. Doctors do make mistakes.

    "not only is there a huge "spectrum" of Autism, "it" does not necessarily, have physical attributes that can be "hidden""



    Yeah, absolutely. I don't know if it's a legit line or not, those Dutch investigators clearly think so. But who knows?


    "would these to Drs try to cover it up, let alone would these PARENTS do such a thing"

    Well, the police clearly think that disbelief at parents being unable to act in this way is not a satisfactory impediment to formally naming them as suspects in the face of the evidence as they've done exactly that.


    None of this seems likely, of course - but we are clearly dealing with an extreme and unlikely event, [i:aa74b45bde]whatever[/i:aa74b45bde] the truth is.


    Ian: there's [i:aa74b45bde]no[/i:aa74b45bde] way the cops have taken it to this level, at this time, without evidence and only based on theories. It's the strength of the evidence which is in dispute and the Portugese secrecy laws mean everything we're getting is from leaks - and most of those have been from 'Team McCann' (their term). A case, if it comes, will reveal all.
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  310. avatar Ooopsapocalypse
    Well,time will tell I guess.
    There'd seem to be no concrete evidence to convict them...last I heard.Just theories...you can always rely on the media for that.Then again...
    Might be a ploy to get the real abductee(s)? to hand over Maddie.Then again...
    Maybe they're crazee psycho medics,hellbent looking for fame.
    You never know.
    Hope they find the truth,not a scapegoat...
    More importantly Maddie.
  311. avatar feline1
    autistic daftie we'uns are very prone to tantrums, often for the most surreal of reasons.

    For example, one of my wee brothers caused the most intense mayhems on occasions, including a sworn oath that he would "blow up Portrush",
    the reason: he had missed an episode of "hilarious" BBC sitcom 'No Place Like Home' starring William Gaunt.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Place_Like_Home_%28sitcom%29

    Another time it was cos "they've changed the music to 'The Holiday Programme'.
  312. avatar gl2200
    Where would concept albums be without autism?

    Quadrophenia?
    The Wall?
    Arthur?
    Tommy?
  313. avatar T Entertainment
    Anyone who saw Paxman there up against the slick PR man who is godfather to the McCann twins will know that this has gone into a different phase.
  314. avatar Ooopsapocalypse
    Oh,and by the way David.
    Just because a child has autism...
    It doesn't make them daft,just autistic.
    Stop inflaming the situation please.Worse than the media.
  315. avatar feline1
    [quote:d9a9702229="Ooopsapocalypse"]Oh,and by the way David.
    Just because a child has autism...
    It doesn't make them daft,just autistic.
    Stop inflaming the situation please.Worse than the media.[/quote:d9a9702229]

    Don't you oppress me! I'll spake in Ulster Scotch if I want, so I will!
  316. avatar greensleevesisgod
    Maybe madelinne is still asleep and we are all a part of her dream. Like alice in wonderland. Did you dream the dream or did the dream dream dream dream...ahhh sleepybyes
  317. avatar kingmob
    [quote:d9b0ebe506="T Entertainment"]Anyone who saw Paxman there up against the slick PR man who is godfather to the McCann twins will know that this has gone into a different phase.[/quote:d9b0ebe506]

    Is he [i:d9b0ebe506]really[/i:d9b0ebe506] a PR man or is this another of your 'I totally disagree with the allegation that they were all part of sort some of swingers' ring organised by Robert Murat and the lot of them are covering this up to save their careers and children. Other people may say that but they would be wrong. And evil. And sick' type statements?

    The Paxman interview was very interesting because the responses were slightly unsettling in tone. It seemed like he would never stop repeating 'calm and measured' until Paxman went away. It's getting very weird now.
  318. avatar churchwarden
    [quote:848bb12ba6]let alone would these PARENTS do such a thing [/quote:848bb12ba6]

    yes, that's right parents [i:848bb12ba6]never[/i:848bb12ba6] harm their kids

    I have no idea if the McCann's, or another person or persons unknown, did or didn't sedate / abduct / kill their child - but just because they are parents does not put them above suspicion

    .. though you would need two very clever / psychotic people to be able to [i:848bb12ba6]both[/i:848bb12ba6] sustain a cover-up and mount such a high profile media campaign for such an extended period if you were guilty...

    So either they are both innocent or they are both the greatest criminals for at least a century
  319. avatar feline1
    [quote:97cdc786cb="churchwarden"][quote:97cdc786cb]let alone would these PARENTS do such a thing [/quote:97cdc786cb]

    yes, that's right parents [i:97cdc786cb]never[/i:97cdc786cb] harm their kids

    I have no idea if the McCann's, or another person or persons unknown, did or didn't sedate / abduct / kill their child - but just because they are parents does not put them above suspicion

    .. though you would need two very clever / psychotic people to be able to [i:97cdc786cb]both[/i:97cdc786cb] sustain a cover-up and mount such a high profile media campaign for such an extended period if you were guilty...

    So either they are both innocent or they are both the greatest criminals for at least a century[/quote:97cdc786cb]

    Family members are always the FIRST suspects in a moiydah enquiry, doh! Any fule (even the police!) know that one.

    They didn't *have* to be "very clever" to mount their campaign, cos they were able to use the media bandwagon to do it for them. Delegation 'n' all...

    I think they're pretty crap criminals, though, cos they were obviously guilty as hell from the start, and their cryme was pretty banal and they've gained very very little from it.

    I'd more class them as some of the century's most vacuous narcissists.
  320. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:88c55c137d="churchwarden"][quote:88c55c137d]let alone would these PARENTS do such a thing [/quote:88c55c137d]

    yes, that's right parents [i:88c55c137d]never[/i:88c55c137d] harm their kids

    I have no idea if the McCann's, or another person or persons unknown, did or didn't sedate / abduct / kill their child - but just because they are parents does not put them above suspicion

    .. though you would need two very clever / psychotic people to be able to [i:88c55c137d]both[/i:88c55c137d] sustain a cover-up and mount such a high profile media campaign for such an extended period if you were guilty...

    So either they are both innocent or they are both the greatest criminals for at least a century[/quote:88c55c137d]

    im not suggesting they are above suspicion, or indeed doubting whether it could have been "the parents"

    in context to what i was saying, i am including them as Dr's and parents...but also those people that were with them. Could they ALL have been, and still be, complicit in the cover-up....
  321. avatar The Grace Jones
    Y'know, if they [i:ddec2602e2]are[/i:ddec2602e2] guilty of, eh, whatever, then that irritating, lazy and logically flawed [b:ddec2602e2]"You Don't Have Kids You Wouldn't Understand!"[/b:ddec2602e2] argument really will take on new meaning...
  322. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    It's quite obvious that the Press Association has made up the whole thing to sell newspapers, and "Gerry" and "Kate" are just actors

    anyway, Fred & Rose West were parents
  323. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:21c9fa9eb2]Y'know, if they are guilty of, eh, whatever, then that irritating, lazy and logically flawed "You Don't Have Kids You Wouldn't Understand!" argument really will take on new meaning...[/quote:21c9fa9eb2]

    If the social services let the Mc Canns keep the twins in about three months time other people will be able to say to them "you don't have kids, you wouldn't understand". Which of course they will reply with " we used to but we murdered them. Need a baby sitter?".
  324. avatar The enfant terrible
    Maybe the wee girl was abducted by aliens and that's why the Pope was involved because he's the head Lizardman on Earth and he wanted to assure the McCanns that wee Maddie was okay and would be given back to them just as soon as the aliens did a few wee tests on her.
  325. avatar The Grace Jones
    Or the flip side to all of this : some enemy the family has made (a family member of a patient that died on the operating table, say), follows their movements with the intention of wronging them in the worst way imaginable - kidnaps the child, then as the [i:cb9a060995]coup de grace[/i:cb9a060995], several weeks later breaks into their hire car and plants the newly discovered forensic evidence in the boot. A masterpiece of evil revenge.
  326. avatar feline1
    I can't wait for the VIZ cartoons on this.

    It'll be "Fred West's Garden Party" all over again!
  327. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    'They've taken her! they've taken her!'
    What a leading exclaimation.
  328. avatar kingmob
    [quote:e710b39b73="feline1"]I can't wait for the VIZ cartoons on this.

    It'll be "Fred West's Garden Party" all over again![/quote:e710b39b73]

    "Supernanny with Kate and Gerry McCann"?

    And to think I was ostracised for saying 'Go and lie in the naughty grave' at Smitty's stag in Berlin :lol:
  329. avatar die the flu
    It's certainly fortuitous the way all the world's greatest criminal profilers, forensics experts, prosecutors, police officers, members of the judiciary and other miscellaneous geniuses have all converged on this particular thread, on this particular messageboard to solve this particular crime.

    If those stupid greasey Portuguese police and prosecutors had any sense then they'd be looking [b:37a39311fe]HERE[/b:37a39311fe] for the answers goddamnit!! "Evidence" my hole!!
  330. avatar kingmob
    [img:5a6fdafb9d]http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/coolestgadgets_tech/batman_2_th.jpg[/img:5a6fdafb9d]
    [i:5a6fdafb9d]
    Feline 1, the World's Greatest Detective, logs on from the Batcave to espouse his latest theories on the McCanns, yesterday.[/i:5a6fdafb9d]
  331. avatar nonlogic liam
    [size=24:34967e4bbf]NEWSFLASH:[/size:34967e4bbf]

    Portuguese police had to announce earlier today that the DNA previously found in the boot of the McCann's rental car,thought to belong to Madeline McCann, was contaminated. It appears that the fragments of hair were actually decomposing super noodles that a member of the police force had accidentally spilled all over the boot before the forensic team appeared on the scene. The contamination apparently occurred when the super noodle fragments where accidentally dropped in the police station during an hilarious game of tag and then man handled by their new child slave (who washes the floor). The head
    of the Portuguese Police, super intendant Don Alfonso later released a statement saying, "the case will remain open, the search for what's her face will continue".
  332. avatar feline1
    Is there no depths to which these lizardoids will not sink?

    Today, I notice Prince Charles, another leading Illuminati shapeshifter, is starting a scheme whereby every child in Britain can go to real farms to rear their own food.
    There were kiddies on the news who'd been rearing piglets for a few months ... then had to go watch a butcher slaughter them and make them into sausages, which they then eat in the school canteen! LIZARDACIOUS!

    I'm sure, readers, you will join with me in remember the prescient words sung by JJ Burnel in The Stranglers' tune "MenInBlack":
    "HEALTHY LIVESTOCK, SO WE CAN EAT...
    HUMAN FLESH, IS PORKY MEAT heee heee hee hee hee hee!"

    etc etc etc
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  333. avatar kingmob
    Apparently the hire car is still in the possession of Team McCann and they are going to conduct their own independent tests on it to clear their name.

    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    This is the greatest story of all time. All it lacks is a talking dog.
  334. avatar tenrabbits
    [img:da8b7903a6]http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/halobouli/look.jpg[/img:da8b7903a6]

    Roll up, roll up, get your 'find maddy' bracelets here..
  335. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:36ac525d9e="tenrabbits"][img:36ac525d9e]http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/halobouli/look.jpg[/img:36ac525d9e]

    Roll up, roll up, get your 'find maddy' bracelets here..[/quote:36ac525d9e]

    Great, those Make Poverty History One's were starting to look a bit dated.
  336. avatar my-angel-rocks
    Cos nothing says you're pretending to care like a bit of coloured rubber round your wrist
  337. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:aed1d9cb1e="kingmob"] 'Go and lie in the naughty grave'[/quote:aed1d9cb1e]

    Excellent. :)
  338. avatar feline1
    [quote:568f8ca88d="my-angel-rocks"]Cos nothing says you're pretending to care like a bit of coloured rubber round your wrist[/quote:568f8ca88d]

    The fisting jokes just never STOP on this forum, do they??
  339. avatar Andrew
    Have violent movies been blamed for any of this yet? Perhaps the McCanns were watching Saw III/Old Boy/Flubber.
  340. avatar feline1
    I heard a Griswold cassingle was found in the glove compartment of their hire car.
  341. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:0e46bd14d5="feline1"][quote:0e46bd14d5="my-angel-rocks"]Cos nothing says you're pretending to care like a bit of coloured rubber round your wrist[/quote:0e46bd14d5]

    The fisting jokes just never STOP on this forum, do they??[/quote:0e46bd14d5]

    Have you got a rubber arse then feline?
  342. avatar feline1
    [quote:d6860f771c="tenrabbits"][quote:d6860f771c="feline1"][quote:d6860f771c="my-angel-rocks"]Cos nothing says you're pretending to care like a bit of coloured rubber round your wrist[/quote:d6860f771c]

    The fisting jokes just never STOP on this forum, do they??[/quote:d6860f771c]

    Have you got a rubber arse then feline?[/quote:d6860f771c]

    Like you'll ever get to find out! :roll:
    SMELL THE GLOVE!!!!!!!!
  343. avatar Andrew
    The only "bodily fluids" feline1 knows, etc.
  344. avatar colin
    I see Renault have launched a new people carrier. If there isn't enough room for your kids in the back, you can always stick one in the boot.
    It's called the Renault McCann.


    Sorry.
  345. avatar King Canute
    Well if you ask me it a sad state of affairs when you can't kill one of your own children without all this bruhaha.
    After all they're YOUR children to do what YOU want to do with!
    Yet more Nanny State Political Correctness run amok!
    Back off Brussells!
  346. avatar my-angel-rocks
    Some good news related to this story at last
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6992601.stm
  347. avatar Steven Dedalus
    Headline of the Sun today:

    "COPS WANT CUDDLE CAT"

    I knew that cat had something to do with it. What kind of cuddles was it giving anyway?
  348. avatar unplugged
    in all seriousness i get a feeling that diggin the street works and trenches up that were recently laid is going to reveal something. at least. regardless of who murdered/kidnapped her.

    Does it ever click (a guy said this in work this morning) that they went to see the pope to confess? I mean he is bound to the big man upstairs to say fek all. Bit of a long shot but you never know.

    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    i dunno if they arent guilty (which who knows at this minute in time) they are to me and many others 2 very emotionless and very cold people. Celebrity status shouldnt be achieved after your daughter goes missing. And i would have liked to see at least a few tears.....

    Dont know what to think of it. Its quite shocking. And very sad.

    As the other guy said they are either completely innocent or Mr and Mrs hannibal lechter
  349. avatar my-angel-rocks
    A psychic bible code person thinks she's in the phillipines.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=EVpzQhxKVdo
  350. avatar feline1
    It's a shame comments have been disabled on that YouTube video, cos I was gonna leave one to say that I felt the psychic bible code person stupidity was such an offence against human dignity that they should be killed.
    And not humanely, but torn limb from f(cking limb. And the last part of them to be left would be their nose, and we'd pour a big load of kerosine on it and set fire to it. And that is what would amuse the world.
  351. avatar Lotion
    [quote:afb213b83c="feline1"]It's a shame comments have been disabled on that YouTube video, cos I was gonna leave one to say that I felt the psychic bible code person stupidity was such an offence against human dignity that they should be killed.
    And not humanely, but torn limb from f(cking limb. And the last part of them to be left would be their nose, and we'd pour a big load of kerosine on it and set fire to it. And that is what would amuse the world.[/quote:afb213b83c]

    Would you be offended if I started calling you "Cuddle Cat 1"?
  352. avatar feline1
    "Cuddle Cat 1" would be no "Bunny Cuddles", the jam-loving rabbit from "Playhour" comic...
  353. avatar comprachio
    [quote:645a7ff4d4]And i would have liked to see at least a few tears.....
    [/quote:645a7ff4d4]

    This is ridiculous. Whatever your opinions on this case, to assume there is a 'norm' for grief and hurt is absurd. Look around any wake of funeral. Different people have different ways of dealing with things. You can't assume someone a)didn't care about a person or b)killed them because of they didn't shed enough tears.
  354. avatar feline1
    Stiff upper lip!
  355. avatar artofdarkness
    Sometimes a public performance makes someone's emotions seem less meaningful to me; plenty of people in the past have had a good gurn at their press conference, only to be uncovered as having done the deed themselves. Everyone has their own way of getting through their grief. It can't help that the general public is giving them marks out of 10 for their "presentation values".
  356. avatar T Entertainment
    Boris Johnson said today that anyone who thinks them guilty is fuelled with class hatred and is says a lot about the state of this country and our unfair taxing of the rich, it really does.
    In a piece condemning the mad commentary and speculation there has been around the case.

    Unplugged, if the McCanns had engaged in a Mediterranean style outpuring of grief, involving the tearing of hair and garments, I have no doubt you would have thought that suspicious as well.

    The supposed request for Kate McCann's diary 'explained':
    http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8656
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  357. avatar The enfant terrible
    Yeah that always bugs the shit out of me at funerals when someone talks about how so and so wasn't crying.

    I'm surprised no one has picked up on my aliens theory. It really could be true. Cos no one knows where she is and all solutions seem to be based quite heavily on what ifs and chance so yeah, Aliens anyone?
  358. avatar kingmob
    That's 'future Mayor of London' Boris Johnson :smt009
  359. avatar feline1
    At my Granny's funeral a couple of months ago,
    I was not crying, but I had to try very very hard not
    to giggle as I remembered lots of hilarious silly things
    she did with us when we were wee. :lol:
  360. avatar unplugged
    im not specifically talking about the tears ffs, maybe i worded that wrong.
    I mean generally to some, and its not just me here many others have mentioned to me that as parents in extreme distress they appear i dunno, - very odd. maybe its just their way of dealing and thats fine but its not the norm that you see on appeals for a missing person. But who knows. thay maybe are completely innocent and the victims of a media frenzy

    If it had of been Mr and Mrs working class Smith from Shankill or the Falls that left 3 kids, 2 of them toddlers on their own and went wining and dining with their mates Social Services would have been in and took away the other 2 kids right away surely?
    can anyone here say that their mother and father left them alone, at 4 or 5 years of age, with their 2 brothers and sisters and went out eating reagardless of how far it was? Mine certainly did not. although when they brought me out with them they said the roll of gaffa tape worked wonders to keep me quiet. :)
  361. avatar That Man Fanjo
    [quote:333939348c]my-angel-rocks 13/09/07 10:38 am
    Some good news related to this story at last
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6992601.stm[/quote:333939348c]

    Arse-biscuits.

    Everyone has gone wab-headed over this.


    Here's for why:

    Lehane is a top [u:333939348c]crime [/u:333939348c]writer. Because nobody knows what's happened to the kid, we can't actually say with any certainty that a crime has been committed. For all we know, Maddie[i:333939348c][size=9:333939348c](tm)[/size:333939348c][/i:333939348c] could be on one of those Disney-esque [i:333939348c]Incredible Journeys[/i:333939348c], walking across Europe with a cat, a water buffalo and a giant squid in tow.
    Thus, Lehane - and the adaptation of his book - have bugger all to do with this fiasco.

    The events in [i:333939348c]Gone Baby Gone[/i:333939348c] take place in Boston, not Portugal. The ma of the kidnapped child is a dirty, thick, wino slag... NOT a *ahem* highly respected doctor, who doesn't murder her kids, no way, not ever.
    Again, bugger all to do with Lehane.

    And finally, at the end of [i:333939348c]Gone Baby Gone[/i:333939348c], the child is found safe and well, having been delivered into the hands of a caring, kindly couple who take the girl on as if she's their own. Given such a happy ending*, you would hope the McCanns would be gagging for the movie to come out.

    *After wrestling with his conscience, however, Patrick Kenzie decides to return the child to her rightful parent - a move that has far-reaching consequences... the kid is subsequently neglected and subject to mistreatment at the hands of her dirty, thick wino ma, leading Kenzie's partner - and lover - Angie Gennaro to dump him like a murdered monkey in disgust at his misguided bellief in "justice."
    So I suppose it doesn't really have a happy ending.
    But enjoy the movie anyway.



    ps the actress who plays Angie Gennaro looks nothing like she does in my fevered imagination. I believe Angelina Jolie in a padded bra would have been a better choice. But that's life for ya.
  362. avatar T Entertainment
    I genuinely yearn to know what Morrisey makes of this whole sorry saga, with particular reference to the Red Tops treatment.
  363. avatar dOUBLEwONDERFUL
    [quote:80439f1f78="T Entertainment"]I genuinely yearn to know what Morrisey makes of this whole sorry saga, with particular reference to the Red Tops treatment.[/quote:80439f1f78]

    Here mate, I already said this. I am glad someone agrees. I have been waiting for Kate to say, "Whatever he has done, I have done."
  364. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:ba14ad0560="That Man Fanjo"]Given such a happy ending*, you would hope the McCanns would be gagging for the movie to come out.[/quote:ba14ad0560]

    Maybe they just hate ben affleck as much as i do?
  365. avatar ginpromo
    Join mirror forums, piss off everbody on there especially the anti-mccanns, wait 5 secs and you are called a troll or chimp. Good fun ladeda!!
  366. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:735c769d11="popbitch"]There's a new hire car out in Portugal. It's small, and if you can't get all your kids inside you can fit one in the boot. It's called the Renault McCann.[/quote:735c769d11] :o
  367. avatar kingmob
    [img:8f48a7bad5]http://www.q-tarantino.de/pictures/pulp02.jpg[/img:8f48a7bad5]

    [i:8f48a7bad5]"Mr. and Mrs. McCann. I'm Winston Wolfe. I solve problems. You say you've got a dead four year old's body in the spare wheel well of a Renault Civic, overdosed on sedatives. Take me to it."[/i:8f48a7bad5]
  368. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:cc1aa170a4="kingmob"]

    [i:cc1aa170a4]"Mr. and Mrs. McCann. I'm Winston Wolfe. I solve problems. You say you've got a dead four year old's body in the spare wheel well of a Renault Civic, overdosed on sedatives. Take me to it."[/i:cc1aa170a4][/quote:cc1aa170a4]
    :D
  369. avatar badwolf500
    It is a horrible story all this but I was wondering could somebody clear something up for me.

    I thought I heard on the news last weekend that Gerry checked on Madeleine at 9pm the night she went missing and then a friend checked at 9.25pm and all was well. Then at 10pm Kate discovered she was gone. Perhaps I have misheard but up until then I had never heard of a third person checking on Madeleine. I was just wondering had anyone else heard that or am I doting already. I just remember thinking it was new info to me.
  370. avatar feline1
    Yes, apparently this "friend" was one of the same "friend" androids referred to in Tubeway Army's exciting No.1 hit pop record "Are 'Friends' Electric?"

    As we all know, these naughty replicant-style 'friends' were almost always used for sexual purposes.
  371. avatar badwolf500
    I found something on the BBC site here that confirms this.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6984836.stm

    [i:59a66975c6]"At 2105 Mr McCann went to check on the children, followed by Dr Oldfield at 2130, they said.

    Mrs McCann told police that when she went to the apartment at 2200 she found the outside shutter and window to Madeleine's room had been opened and her daughter was missing."[/i:59a66975c6]

    I just remembered thinking when I first heard this that this guy if leaned on could surely confirm one way or the other that Madeline was still there at that time and put a stop to the theories that she was already gone before that meal began.
  372. avatar Baelmammon
    [img:c350c3728b]http://erewhon.ticonuno.it/riv/speciali/errori/img/clouseau.gif[/img:c350c3728b]
    Yous people are nutts 25 pages :!:
  373. avatar artofdarkness
    I know it doesn't help to sell newspapers or keep people watching the news, but a writer for the Daily Mail once quietly voiced the theory that the girl managed to get out of the apartment to go looking for her parents, and then possibly "wandered more than half a mile through the darkness, into the sea".
  374. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    The vast majority of Team McCann are Scousers, therefore able to revel in the victim status that child killers Gerry and Kate yearn for.

    It's just like Heysel all over again.
  375. avatar T Entertainment
    Kate McCann is no Ken Bigley.
  376. avatar King Canute
    Yeah but Billy Connolly isn't demanding that Kate McCann be beheaded. Yet.
  377. avatar The enfant terrible
    Like fuck she wandered into sea. I no longer think it was aliens. The Zodiac killer liked his movie so much he wants them to do a sequel so he's started it up again. Want to know what happened to her decipher this cryptogram:

    kateandgerigqehrvuqernmigdmpyiwerphwmdgm
    herparentsdiditvqegqegqwegbqrvqergqcbver
    herparentsdiditgqervjqwvqegnubvwerbhqehh
    notzodiacsdgbnqwogqbelvmqgbltbhwrthwrthh
    zodiacisanicemanwbaufbhnmivqevnhwrgtbwgw
  378. avatar unplugged
    whats the same journalist also said was that she may have fell into one of the service trenches being dug. this was weeks ago he said this before those dumb bastards in the police force decided to dig up the said trenches that were never checked for her body before being filled in

    assholes
  379. avatar my-angel-rocks
    was standing in the dive of a newsagents on carrick high street feeling the owners eyes burn into the back of my skull as I looked at the papers, awaiting his "Buy it, don't read it" call, I noticed that all the tabloids were running with the drug overdose story (in varying forms of severity) except for the Sun, and I wondered why...

    Turns out Team McCann are looking at a new PR manager - the [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2168936,00.html]ex-editor of The News of The World[/url]

    Handy that...
  380. avatar unplugged
    thatll be Bells then :lol:
  381. avatar The enfant terrible
    WHat was the one with Kate McCann doing her first communion and Gerry in his GAA gear, showing how they grew up into the people they are today.
  382. avatar unplugged
    personally what do you reckon? (your personal opinion not facts ill add and all tabloid ball talk aside) and lets be serious here, what u think?

    i feel personally in my mind and in my personal opinion that the parents did not mean to harm her but did. at the very least i think they know more than they are telling.

    just my gut feeling but that means nothing
  383. avatar The enfant terrible
    Yes in all honesty I think that the parents did it but it was an accident, and then they freaked out and made some very stupid decisions.

    I don't beleive they are evil child killers or anything twisted.
  384. avatar unplugged
    i agree with you dude mostly.

    To me personally, if they were sick enough to overdose their 4 year old daughter in order to swan out drinking wine with their toff friends then after they discover they have killed her with drugs, be it by accident or not (to be drugging a tiny child is no accident) and then to go on to hide her tiny corpse and bury it somewhere so their own selfish lives arent condemned to jail and also lie to the world to me the makes them 2 of the most twisted and sick people alive.
    If they did it and were any way human they would have admitted to it to authorites and accepted their fate.

    Lets hope for their sakes they are innocent and victims of the papers cos im sure their lives inside one of her majestys prisons will be very uncomfortable indeed after the way its been the talk of the world for last half a year.

    But the whole thing the way its been handled by everyone (law wise) has been a farce. So whether they did it or not i dont think they will get put away for it.

    Its all just to sell papers. I dont think that little child will ever turn up.
  385. avatar Niall Harden
    maybe some community representatives could teach them a lesson?

    wise up.
    all this speculation is equally unpleasant and pointless.
  386. avatar fastfude
    [quote:76a5c2f2f7="unplugged"]just my gut feeling but that means nothing[/quote:76a5c2f2f7]Yes: In other words you're making it up as you go along and have no evidence to substantiate your usual tabloid-fuelled desire to be part of a knuckle-dragging, baying mob out on a witch hunt that will almost certainly harm innocent bystanders and completely fail to deliver civilised justice under the law you only support when it suits your misguided knee-jerk 'opinions'.

    Don't take that wrong.
  387. avatar kingmob
    I liked the bit when he said that the whole abduction is just an elaborate ruse to sell papers. Damn those press barons!
  388. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    Unplugged, you sound like you need some sleep. I know a doctor...
  389. avatar Baronation
    There's no justice like angry mob justice.
  390. avatar Daz
    [quote:23c7887048="Baronation"]There's no justice like angry mob justice.[/quote:23c7887048]

    There's always Judge Judy Justice.
  391. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:a824e28f6e="unplugged"]i am sick enough to overdose their 4 year old daughter on wine then kill her with drugs (drugging a tiny child is no accident) and then to go on to hide her tiny corpse and bury it somewhere so their own selfish lives arent condemned to jail and also lie to the world to me the makes them 2 of the most twisted and sick people alive.
    If they did it and were any way human they would have admitted to it to authorites and accepted their fate.

    Lets hope for their sakes they are innocent and victims of the papers cos im sure their lives inside one of her majestys prisons will be very uncomfortable indeed after the way its been the talk of the world for last half a year.

    But the whole thing the way its been handled by everyone (law wise) has been a farce. So whether they did it or not i dont think they will get put away for it.

    Its all just to sell papers. I dont think that little child will ever turn up.[/quote:a824e28f6e]

    I love the way you talk about her tiny corpse like it's not a given that a four year old's corpse wouldn't be tiny anyway. What I'm saying is that they made a balls up and made some stupid mistakes. All this talk of heartless murderers like you were waiting to go and stand outside the jail waiting to shout "myra hindley" or "maxine carr" at her is a bit tasteless. If she'd gone out to down white lightening with some glue sniffers down the back of college court would that make you and all your mates who discuss it down the red wedge bookstore feel less venomous about it?
  392. avatar unplugged
    :lol: like moths to a flame

    chill out. you boys are stiffing on this print.
  393. avatar T Entertainment
    "to go on to hide her tiny corpse and bury it somewhere so their own selfish lives arent condemned to jail and also lie to the world to me the makes them 2 of the most twisted and sick people alive."


    You ARE Chris Morris and I claim my five pounds. Please?
  394. avatar unplugged
    :lol: £5 to the man
    Id have gotten away with it too if it hadnt of been for you pesky kids snooping around.....

    [img:3ce11faec9]http://www.theitcrowd.co.uk/img/cast/chris-morris.jpg[/img:3ce11faec9]

    Me, yesterday
  395. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:872c302dc8]If she'd gone out to down white lightening with some glue sniffers down the back of college court would that make you and all your mates who discuss it down the red wedge bookstore feel less venomous about it?
    [/quote:872c302dc8]

    Can I go to the Red Wedge bookstore?
  396. avatar King Canute
    [quote:4be22e51b3="The enfant terrible"]All this talk of heartless murderers like you were waiting to go and stand outside the jail waiting to shout "myra hindley" or "maxine carr" at her is a bit tasteless. [/quote:4be22e51b3]

    i think you'll find that Maxine Carr didn't 'murder' anyone. You should be ashamed of yourself
  397. avatar That Man Fanjo
    I think [i:0329a5c59e]everybody [/i:0329a5c59e]should feel ashamed of themselves.









    Lawdy knows I wake up every morning feeling the bitter scourge of shame, and I haven't even done anything wrong.
  398. avatar T Entertainment
    The entrance of Branson into this farago makes it seem even more like a Ben Elton crime novel.
  399. avatar kingmob
    I'm bored of it again. I want aliens to get involved. Or voodoo.

    Yesterday's story in the Observer about the changes to Team McCann, as if they were a PLC, was frankly bizarre.
  400. avatar T Entertainment
    The Express (Spanish edition) is today claiming that the McCanns drove hundreds of miles to the shrine at Fatima to bury the body / desecrate one of the holiest sites in the Catholic faith?!
    While also pointing out that they are completely innocent. Maybe.
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  401. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:d47032740d="King Canute"][quote:d47032740d="The enfant terrible"]All this talk of heartless murderers like you were waiting to go and stand outside the jail waiting to shout "myra hindley" or "maxine carr" at her is a bit tasteless. [/quote:d47032740d]

    i think you'll find that Maxine Carr didn't 'murder' anyone. You should be ashamed of yourself[/quote:d47032740d]

    I never said she did. All I pointed at was the crowds of hysterical "good parents" waiting outside the jail where she was held on remand, who if you remember right had to be held back from storming the van by the cops.
  402. avatar kagura
    [quote:3bdaa5a4fd="That Man Fanjo"]Lawdy knows I wake up every morning feeling the bitter scourge of shame, and I haven't even done anything wrong.[/quote:3bdaa5a4fd]

    hangover then, aye?? :D
  403. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:af61b538a9]The Express (Spanish edition) is today claiming that the McCanns drove hundreds of miles to the shrine at Fatima to bury the body / desecrate one of the holiest sites in the Catholic faith?! [/quote:af61b538a9]

    It really does give a whole new meaning to the children of Fatima.
  404. avatar T Entertainment
    Yes but cheeky local light entertainment all-rounder Paddy Kielty is in diffs after cracking that the McCanns should have stuck the body in a suitcase and flown with Ryan Air, who lose everything...and queried why they were having an audience with the Pope given the Catholic Church's track history on child abuse.
    Oooh, shocking.
  405. avatar I'mDead
    Aye the pikey riot squad was after his blood on Nolan this morning.
  406. avatar T Entertainment
    Oh-oh, spagettio...

    "A spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann has confirmed to BBC News that around four thousand pounds from the Find Medeleine was spent on their mortgage. But he insisted the payments for two months this summer had not broken the fund's rules."
  407. avatar Pix
    Well they haven't been working for six months now, though they are doctors, they're not going to continue getting paid leave indefinitely, surely?
  408. avatar feline1
    Well come on, there'd be no point them finding Maddy and getting her back if they'd no home to live in! :lol:
  409. avatar T Entertainment
    I don't remember it being made clear that contributors to this fund would be subsidising the mortgage on their house.


    There is a nice picture in the Express taken of Gerry yesterday - he is looking for our Maddie on a golf course. In case he finds her in the hands of an abductor, he's brought his clubs to attack them with.

    Cue 'if you had kids and you were convinced one had been abducted by a paedophile and was still alive, you'd be wandering about a golf course with a serene look on your bake, you monster' posts.


    The issue here is that most of the donors were oul dears with very little dosh themselves who felt moved to do [i:7abe56c12f]something[/i:7abe56c12f], and did not expect to be financing the mortgage on a 600K mansion in Rothley.

    Quite what could possibly have been achieved with any amount of money in this case unless there was so much a time machine could be invented, I don't see myself. But there you have it.
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  410. avatar kingmob
    [img:5b5c37d383]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44198000/jpg/_44198956_sketch_300.jpg[/img:5b5c37d383]

    Look, there's a man out there without a face with our Maddy. People should be finding him and not worrying about expenses issues.
  411. avatar I'mDead
    Everyone knows its Charles Bronson...
  412. avatar feline1
    I know that guy.
    He's on my sapphire & steel DVD!
  413. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:be5b182d1c="Pix"]Well they haven't been working for six months now, though they are doctors, they're not going to continue getting paid leave indefinitely, surely?[/quote:be5b182d1c]

    They've both been on unpaid leave for months
  414. avatar T Entertainment
    Another thing: why didn't they go on a mortgage holiday for their period of unemployment? Easily arranged. Which lender was going to refuse them in these circumstances?
  415. avatar kingmob
    [quote:d96824f1d8="T Entertainment"]Their is a nice picture in the Express taken of Gerry yesterday - he is looking for our Maddie on a golf course. In case he finds her in the hands of an abductor, he's brought his clubs to attack them with.
    [/quote:d96824f1d8]

    What would you rather him be doing, wandering the streets of Morocco like Renegade Reno Raines :lol:
  416. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:8f1af17648="T Entertainment"]Another thing: why didn't they go on a mortgage holiday for their period of unemployment?[/quote:8f1af17648]

    Given they lost a child on the last holiday they took, I doubt they want to take another one soon...

    [edit]I'm not justifying this in any way, I'm as outraged as you[/edit]

    My money's on that anonymous millionaire stumping up for this cost like he did when the rumours were that their legal defence team's fees would be coming out of the charity box.

    But its all going to be ok - Brian the psychic dreamer is on his way to Portugal to solve it all...
    http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/private/5441page16.htm
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  417. avatar T Entertainment
    Bottom line is that this wasn't a case of them being in danger of losing their home, or anything like it.
    They chose to divert charitable donations given in good faith to find a missing child into servicing a large mortgage when there was [i:36559acf92]no need[/i:36559acf92] to do this.

    To Kingmob - who are you to scream 'monster'?!
    [b:36559acf92]YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY CHILDREN.[/b:36559acf92]


    Out of posts:

    "And Tents, why would they not lose their home? Seriously leek? They're loaded, but bank ain't gonna say "aw poor you, not working, waa waa, here have a free home on us""

    There is no way - no way - that their mortgage lender wouldn't have arranged a mortgage holiday for them in these circumstances. They do it when people want to buy a bigger car, ffs. The only sort of companies who don't offer this are the sort which just caused a crash in the American economy, ie: sub-prime. And that isn't the sort we're talking about.
    Their house has never been under threat.
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  418. avatar kingmob
    You [i:18e24eb7d1]monster[/i:18e24eb7d1].
  419. avatar Pix
    [quote:67d8a69fac="my-angel-rocks"][quote:67d8a69fac="Pix"]Well they haven't been working for six months now, though they are doctors, they're not going to continue getting paid leave indefinitely, surely?[/quote:67d8a69fac]

    They've both been on unpaid leave for months[/quote:67d8a69fac]

    yes that's my point, they are well off, but that can only last so long when you're not working.

    And Tents, why would they not lose their home? Seriously leek? They're loaded, but bank ain't gonna say "aw poor you, not working, waa waa, here have a free home on us"
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  420. avatar nonlogic liam
    Madeleine McCann - so much to answer for.
  421. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:8d75f2823b="Pix"]yes that's my point, they are well off, but that can only last so long when you're not working.[/quote:8d75f2823b]

    Ah, now I see what you meant, I read it differently.

    [quote:8d75f2823b]And Tents, why would they not lose their home? Seriously leek? They're loaded, but bank ain't gonna say "aw poor you, not working, waa waa, here have a free home on us"[/quote:8d75f2823b]

    "Mortgage payment holidays are allowed under the terms of many mortgage contracts, and allow a break in repayments either at your request or under certain conditions."

    Of course, they may not have had this clause in their contract.
  422. avatar Captain Yesterday
    [quote:636cc9da87]Gerry's Blog - Day 178 - 28/10/2007

    The last couple of days have been hard for Kate and I. We have had a lot of ‘family time’ and despite the pleasure of seeing Sean and Amelie having fun, Madeleine’s absence was very much tangible....[/quote:636cc9da87]

    Blah blah blah... then we had salmon en croute for dinner...

    Are these people for real? :shock:
  423. avatar die the flu
    No, they're actors paid by the News of the World and hence fair game for armchair pundits to use and abuse as they see fit :roll:
  424. avatar Baronation
    [quote:f4e8b2fd77]Another thing: why didn't they go on a mortgage holiday for their period of unemployment?[/quote:f4e8b2fd77]

    Payment holidays cannot be granted when unemployment is the reason for the request. Customers must be in work, or be able to prove they will be returning to full time work, like if the reasons for a holiday.

    The MaCanns could arrange something though, although this may harm their credit rating and result in increased debt.
  425. avatar The enfant terrible
    This is a fu-cking soap opera. It's not news, it's not news what they eat, it's not news that they play tennis, it's just a fu-cking money making episode for sh-it tabloid newspapers. Do any of these newspapers that are making money off this wee girl disapearing give money to the "find maddie" fun, and another thing what's with calling here Maddie? Do her parents call her that? I've never heard them, it's just some hack behind a desk in London coming up with all this sh-it. I read on the front of a paper the other day that Gerry played tennis the day she went missing. That was the headline, like playing tennis was sinister, or that Gerry McCann playing tennis six months ago was the most newsworthy thing in the world that day. Boll-ocks.

    It's a pity that Celebrity Big Brother ain't on this year because Gerry and Kate could have went on sponsored by the news of the world. They could have one of those dicky celeb compound names - Gerate (or if anyone can think of a better one please do, it's quite hard, nothing works, maybe that's why they don't have one yet).

    NOT NEWS! TABLOID FODDER!
  426. avatar Tolerance
    [quote:d5b0f9425a="The enfant terrible"]NOT NEWS! TABLOID FODDER![/quote:d5b0f9425a]

    Unfortunately, like any other situation where worthless, useless, or even downright offensive material/products/services exist, the supply is there because the [i:d5b0f9425a]demand[/i:d5b0f9425a] is there. If "[i:d5b0f9425a]the people[/i:d5b0f9425a]" as a whole were not so collectively hooked on this kind of sh*t it wouldn't be exploited by the bumrag newspapers in the way that it is. Society as a whole is in desperate need of radical re-alignment.
  427. avatar The enfant terrible
    Anyone want to start a daily newspaper called Missing/Dead Children, we'd make a fortune. It'd be full of storuies about evil paedophiles, heartbroken parents, tales of lost lives and missed potenial of preferably white middle class english girls under ten, but on a dry day we'd take what we could get.

    Then all the retards out there could read it and communally cry and wail together "[i:c76fe5d796]If that was my child! I don't know what I'd do![/i:c76fe5d796]" to passers by to show that though it's after noon and they are wearing pyjamas they [i:c76fe5d796]are[/i:c76fe5d796] good parents.
  428. avatar King Canute
    [quote:0722664024="The enfant terrible"] "[i:0722664024]If that was my child! I don't know what I'd do![/i:0722664024]" to passers by to show that though it's after noon and they are wearing pyjamas they [i:0722664024]are[/i:0722664024] good parents.[/quote:0722664024]

    You're only saying that because you are jealous of those people. Well at least that's what Tin Pot Anto thinks.
  429. avatar T Entertainment
    "Do any of these newspapers that are making money off this wee girl disapearing give money to the "find maddie" fun, and another thing what's with calling here Maddie? Do her parents call her that? I've never heard them, it's just some hack behind a desk in London coming up with all this sh-it. I read on the front of a paper the other day that Gerry played tennis the day she went missing. That was the headline, like playing tennis was sinister, or that Gerry McCann playing tennis six months ago was the most newsworthy thing in the world that day."

    Actually, the tabloids stumped up millions in rewards.
    Gerry was playing in the week after she went missing. You seem to be ignoring completely the point that the parents are offical suspects in this case under Portugese law, so of course their behaviour immediately after the disappearance and subsequently is of interest to the press and authorities.
    It's a two way process with the press - they have one of the slickest PR operations this side of an American election.
  430. avatar tinpot anto
    [quote:561d990690]You're only saying that because you are jealous of those people. Well at least that's what Tin Pot Anto thinks.[/quote:561d990690]

    Everyone is jealous of you and your powers of debate/rapier wit.

    Give it up big lawd, wudye?
  431. avatar 10rapid
    The "suspect" bears a very strong resemblence to those willow tree figurines people have on their mantlepieces....

    [img:627fd3a737]http://www.collectability.co.uk/acatalog/26129-large.jpg[/img:627fd3a737]

    [img:627fd3a737]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/10/25/umaddy.jpg[/img:627fd3a737]

    Maybe she's modelling for more ornaments for the christmas range
  432. avatar T Entertainment
    This will be the suspect that the witness, their friend, only remembered seeing a fortnight after the disappearance.
  433. avatar tinpot anto
    He's got nice hair.
  434. avatar 10rapid
    and he moves with "a sense of urgency"....

    Is he in the TPO?
  435. avatar tinpot anto
    That would be a sense of INsurgency, n'est pas?
  436. avatar King Canute
    [quote:847a3cb37a="tinpot anto"][quote:847a3cb37a]You're only saying that because you are jealous of those people. Well at least that's what Tin Pot Anto thinks.[/quote:847a3cb37a]

    Everyone is jealous of you and your powers of debate/rapier wit.

    Give it up big lawd, wudye?[/quote:847a3cb37a]

    I'm afraid I shan't.
    Yes or No Anto, Yes or No?
  437. avatar tinpot anto
    Yes.....



    or



    No.

    :lol:
  438. avatar Baronation
    If we're going to solve this case via an internet message board then we all need to work together!

    Lets see what the Mail on Sunday comes up with week, should be something about Diana and Maddies parents.
  439. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:fdd3d0bd05="T Entertainment"]

    Actually, the tabloids stumped up millions in rewards.
    Gerry was playing in the week after she went missing. You seem to be ignoring completely the point that the parents are offical suspects in this case under Portugese law, so of course their behaviour immediately after the disappearance and subsequently is of interest to the press and authorities.
    It's a two way process with the press - they have one of the slickest PR operations this side of an American election.[/quote:fdd3d0bd05]

    I do agree with you that it's a two way thing with the McCann's and the Press but the fact that an official suspect is playing tennis is not newsworthy, why wouldn't someone under a lot of stress play sport? (anyone who thinks his playing tennis is strange is talking balls).

    And if the papers are stumping up a lot of money I suppose that excuses them from turning madelaine into a media constructed image in the the same vien as sarah payne before her. Have the papers actually paid out any of this reward money and how many millions are being made from this non-news story?

    There is only so much information available in this case and a number of points are continuously repaeated in the press to draw out this story when there's nothing new to report, his playing tennis is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
  440. avatar Tolerance
    Again; if people stopped buying the papers that print this kind of thing, it would stop making print. Newspapers are a commercial operation; the people who buy them effectively vote as to what is or is not "news". If a large chunk of the public weren't so obsessed with the issue itself and all of the other strange and dark issues it potentially opens up, then the media circus surrounding it wouldn't exist. Forget the tabloid editors and forget the McCanns, the problem you have is indeed a valid one but you/I/we are part of "the problem".

    Note the number of replies & views on this topic compared to every other one on the forum.
  441. avatar T Entertainment
    "And if the papers are stumping up a lot of money I suppose that excuses them from turning madelaine into a media constructed image in the the same vien as sarah payne before her."

    Nobody said that. But you suggested they weren't donating money to the Find Madeline Fund. Not true.

    The main reason this has turned into one of the biggest and most speculated about stories in the world is that from the off the McCanns activated an unprecedented PR campaign focused on 'finding Maddie' and keeping her in the news, and then after 3 months were announced as official suspects in her disappearance. If you court the press on that level, of course you are going to become the focus of negative speculation in the media if the authorities become of the stated view that you were actually responsible for the disappearance yourself.
    Things like using a fund which was set up to find a child to service the mortgage on a mansion, a fund contributed to by many, many people with less than the McCanns, when there was no danger of losing the house is merely one of the issues that a large section of the public have found unedifiying.
  442. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote="T Entertainment"]"And if the papers are stumping up a lot of money I suppose that excuses them from turning madelaine into a media constructed image in the the same vien as sarah payne before her."

    Nobody said that. But you suggested they weren't donating money to the Find Madeline Fund. Not true.[quote]

    I didn't say anyone did say that. I said it. Because I think it's pretty bad taste to make money from plastering photos of dead children all over the front of your paper to make people buy them.

    And I didn't suggest anything regarding the money they were making. I asked a question because I wanted information, simple.

    And yeah, Tolerance it's the people who buy the papers who are the problem, which is why if people are really that full of shit then why shouldn't I make money off them too? WHo want sto write for my tasteless missing/dead children newspaper. Sales are guaranteed to be huge even if it is as rambling and badly spelt as most of my posts on here.
  443. avatar Tolerance
    [quote:82dfd0b6c7="The enfant terrible"]
    And yeah, Tolerance it's the people who buy the papers who are the problem, which is why if people are really that full of <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' /> then why shouldn't I make money off them too? WHo want sto write for my tasteless missing/dead children newspaper. Sales are guaranteed to be huge even if it is as rambling and badly spelt as most of my posts on here.[/quote:82dfd0b6c7]

    Well, because you appear to have a handle on the notion that it's morally repugnant, would be one reason; but other than that, there's nothing really stopping you, go ahead? I'm not sure what point your trying to make at this stage.
  444. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:4314990ba5="Tolerance"][quote:4314990ba5="The enfant terrible"]
    And yeah, Tolerance it's the people who buy the papers who are the problem, which is why if people are really that full of <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' /> then why shouldn't I make money off them too? WHo want sto write for my tasteless missing/dead children newspaper. Sales are guaranteed to be huge even if it is as rambling and badly spelt as most of my posts on here.[/quote:4314990ba5]

    Well, because you appear to have a handle on the notion that it's morally repugnant, would be one reason; but other than that, there's nothing really stopping you, go ahead? I'm not sure what point your trying to make at this stage.[/quote:4314990ba5]

    The point I'm trying to make is that since these papers rely to an extent on cute kids being molested/abducted/murdered to make lots of money then yes they are morally repugnant. I think that the way this case is reported in the media seems like it is being done from a 'tug at the heartstrings' angle than one of finding out important information and relating it to the public. This story has been fetishised in a tasteless way.
  445. avatar King Canute
    [quote:c03c9e1699="tinpot anto"]Yes.....



    or



    No.

    :lol: [/quote:c03c9e1699]

    no not :lol:
    more like
    [i:c03c9e1699]"Why won't he answer a very simple direct question to clarify a statement he made? What is he trying to hide?"[/i:c03c9e1699]
  446. avatar Tolerance
    [quote:2d123f50eb="The enfant terrible"]
    The point I'm trying to make is that since these papers rely to an extent on cute kids being molested/abducted/murdered to make lots of money then yes they are morally repugnant. I think that the way this case is reported in the media seems like it is being done from a 'tug at the heartstrings' angle than one of finding out important information and relating it to the public. This story has been fetishised in a tasteless way.[/quote:2d123f50eb]

    Ah, ok. Well you're absolutely correct, just several months behind! - The news that the news is no longer news is no longer news!


    [quote:2d123f50eb="Ich Bin Einen S.S. Officeren"]
    no not
    more like
    "Why won't he answer a very simple direct question to clarify a statement he made? What is he trying to hide?" [/quote:2d123f50eb]

    Objection Yr'honour : Wanton Ballbaggery.
  447. avatar T Entertainment
    [b:e1e63366bc]TABLOIDS BEHAVE LIKE TABLOIDS SHOCK[/b:e1e63366bc]
  448. avatar kingmob
    [quote:b71e154127="The enfant terrible"]The point I'm trying to make is that since these papers rely to an extent on cute kids being molested/abducted/murdered to make lots of money then yes they are morally repugnant. I think that the way this case is reported in the media seems like it is being done from a 'tug at the heartstrings' angle than one of finding out important information and relating it to the public. This story has been fetishised in a tasteless way.[/quote:b71e154127]

    I really don't think you have a good grasp on how newspapers work here. No-one would read a newspaper which focuses on 'good news'. While I think the media response has been excessive, the Maddie case is fascinating, not only from a human abduction perspective but also how they have used the press as well as allegations about the sort of holiday they were on.

    It's grim as hell but people love reading about death, murders, rape, criminality. They always have.

    You are also contradicting yourself as well. The papers [i:b71e154127]have[/i:b71e154127] been finding out new information and printing fresh allegations as well as the 'tugging the heartstrings' angle. Like it or not, the McCanns don't want this story out of the media. They will continue to dripfeed shocking new information to friendly reporters until she is found or someone is charged with her abduction/murder.
  449. avatar tinpot anto
    [quote:1e8b4ed009]no not Laughing
    more like
    "Why won't he answer a very simple direct question to clarify a statement he made? What is he trying to hide?"[/quote:1e8b4ed009]

    No look, I'm being serious here. There's something your mum and I hoped you'd never have to find out. It will be a shock when you hear it, but I hope in time you'll come to understand why we kept it from you. 'Nute.....


    Yer Ma's yer Da! :lol:
  450. avatar King Canute
    Anto, I am honestly fascinated why you won't answer this question.
    You either honestly think that people are jealous of spides and their anti-social ways but are afraid to admit it or you are afraid to say that the behaviour or anti-social types as if you you hold them high regard!?!?

    Personally I was offended by your suggestion that I am jealous of 'spides' and wanted clarification on your statement to decide whether you were just joking or were in fact an idiot.
    Please help me decide Anto, answer the simple question. :-)
  451. avatar exportsimsie
    [quote:3c41569f9d="King Canute"]Anto, I am honestly fascinated why you won't answer this question.
    You either honestly think that people are jealous of spides and their anti-social ways but are afraid to admit it or you are afraid to say that the behaviour or anti-social types as if you you hold them high regard!?!?

    Personally I was offended by your suggestion that I am jealous of 'spides' and wanted clarification on your statement to decide whether you were just joking or were in fact an idiot.
    Please help me decide Anto, answer the simple question. :-)[/quote:3c41569f9d]

    Reading page one and then skiping to the end and reading this is deeply confusing.
  452. avatar artofdarkness
    I saw some Polish spides the other day in Tescos - visually identical to the home-grown variety, until they started to talk. Coming over here, wearing our tracksuits, drinking our cider.

    Anyhow, my initial reaction to the whole 'mortage paid by charity donations' storyline was that, if it were me, I'd have been back to my job as soon as, in order to restore some degree of normality to my life, and the life of my other children. But I'm sure if she'd gone back to work, the storyline would have been about heartless Kate working to fund their hedonistic middle-class lifestyle, not caring about the fate of lost Maddie. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
  453. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:007ed04d3f="exportsimsie"]

    Reading page one and then skipping to the end and reading this is deeply confusing.[/quote:007ed04d3f]

    :lol: That's the way most men read tabloids.

    Speaking of which - there was a really good tv programme on the other night about how all [i:007ed04d3f]anyone[/i:007ed04d3f] wanted to read about in newspapers in the late 17th century was sex and murder - all about what the famous courtesans and their ilk were getting up to.

    So I don't know why anyone is getting hot and bothered about the tabloids - its the way things have always been, bar a minor blip from Queen Victoria to the 1950's.
  454. avatar Daithi jasper
    Aren't you people mixing your topics up? And taking too much coke (either variety)?
  455. avatar T Entertainment
    "They will continue to dripfeed shocking new information to friendly reporters until she is found or someone is charged with her abduction/murder."

    They, and the Portugese Police. Who think they did it.
  456. avatar kingmob
    [quote:c04b3620ce="rentaghost"]So I don't know why anyone is getting hot and bothered about the tabloids - its the way things have always been, bar a minor blip from Queen Victoria to the 1950's.[/quote:c04b3620ce]

    That's not true either. Victorian society was one of the most filth obsessed ever. Jack the Ripper anyone?
  457. avatar T Entertainment
    Saucy Jack?
    He's a haughty one...
    Saucy Jack?
    He's a naughty one...
  458. avatar nonlogic liam
    Victorian society, I give you: OSCAR WILDE.
  459. avatar T Entertainment
    I found this blog which kingmob has been keeping under the unlikely non de guerre of Jandi Aznor.

    It conclusively proves the existence of his [b:2aaa296737]CHILDLESS MILITIA[/b:2aaa296737], which is abducting and killing children [b:2aaa296737]SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HATE CHILDREN, PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN AND DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN SO THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND[/b:2aaa296737]:

    http://internettrash.com/users/bitchdaisy/vitriol.html

    Recognise! I hear that liam is the quartermaster.
  460. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:f0efa62633="kingmob"][quote:f0efa62633="The enfant terrible"]The point I'm trying to make is that since these papers rely to an extent on cute kids being molested/abducted/murdered to make lots of money then yes they are morally repugnant. I think that the way this case is reported in the media seems like it is being done from a 'tug at the heartstrings' angle than one of finding out important information and relating it to the public. This story has been fetishised in a tasteless way.[/quote:f0efa62633]

    I really don't think you have a good grasp on how newspapers work here. No-one would read a newspaper which focuses on 'good news'. While I think the media response has been excessive, the Maddie case is fascinating, not only from a human abduction perspective but also how they have used the press as well as allegations about the sort of holiday they were on.

    It's grim as hell but people love reading about death, murders, rape, criminality. They always have.

    You are also contradicting yourself as well. The papers [i:f0efa62633]have[/i:f0efa62633] been finding out new information and printing fresh allegations as well as the 'tugging the heartstrings' angle. Like it or not, the McCanns don't want this story out of the media. They will continue to dripfeed shocking new information to friendly reporters until she is found or someone is charged with her abduction/murder.[/quote:f0efa62633]

    I'm not contradicting myself at all. I commented on the angle chosen. I didn't say using one negated the other. All new information is presented in a "oh no Maddie!" kind of way. I understand completely how newspapers work and as I've trained as a journalist I maybe understand a little better than you. I'm just criticising them as I can't remember a case in my lifetime that was fetishised so much, even soham wasn't making the front page (daily anyway) after this length of time.

    And rentaghost, just because something was the same in the 1700s doesn't mean I shouldn't talk about how sh-it people doing it today is.
  461. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:0d46f75f23="T Entertainment"]

    Recognise! I hear that liam is the quartermaster.[/quote:0d46f75f23]

    HEY!!!
  462. avatar Tolerance
    [quote:8c42ebbb2f="The enfant terrible"]I'm just criticising them as I can't remember a case in my lifetime that was fetishised so much, even soham wasn't making the front page (daily anyway) after this length of time.[/quote:8c42ebbb2f]

    See: other hot topic of the hour, Princess Di. A clear winner by a factor of about a hundred thousand in column inches.
  463. avatar artofdarkness
    I read an article last week which claimed that Portugal is the pedrophile hotspot of Europe, though I think last year, that title was 'lifted' by Belgium. It's like a Eurovision of perversion. Still, it's given the Natascha Kampusch story a rest.
  464. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:958d4535e2="Tolerance"][quote:958d4535e2="The enfant terrible"]I'm just criticising them as I can't remember a case in my lifetime that was fetishised so much, even soham wasn't making the front page (daily anyway) after this length of time.[/quote:958d4535e2]

    See: other hot topic of the hour, Princess Di. A clear winner by a factor of about a hundred thousand in column inches.[/quote:958d4535e2]

    Diana hasn't been fetishised as much, maybe she as person has, but the fact she was bumped off by M15 has been massively underplayed in the media. It also has substance, Madelaine McCann is a fairly mundane child abduction.

    ps I'm all out of posts and can't respond to any response you make because unlike you T Entertainment I don't have two accounts.

    In response to post underneath. I didn't say the word only and have pointed out that both approaches could co exist, however the one being used mostly is the 'tug at heartstrings one' which results in Gerry Mccann playing tennis making the front page of the newspapers when there is no relevant news to report.
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  465. avatar kingmob
    [quote:dca1ccf8bd="The enfant terrible"]I'm not contradicting myself at all. I commented on the angle chosen. I didn't say using one negated the other. All new information is presented in a "oh no Maddie!" kind of way. I understand completely how newspapers work and as I've trained as a journalist I maybe understand a little better than you. I'm just criticising them as I can't remember a case in my lifetime that was fetishised so much, even soham wasn't making the front page (daily anyway) after this length of time.[/quote:dca1ccf8bd]

    You are. You're saying newspapers are only focusing on the 'poor Maddie' angle rather than finding out new information. They are doing both.

    Ian Huntley was arrested several weeks into the investigation so they couldn't report on it further until the case had finished. I assume you know this already, being a trained journalist and everything and having a well thumbed copy of McNae's by your desk...
  466. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:3fc2be26fb="The enfant terrible"]
    Diana hasn't been fetishised as much, maybe she as person has, but the fact she was bumped off by M15 has been massively underplayed in the media. It also has substance, Madelaine McCann is a fairly mundane child abduction.
    [/quote:3fc2be26fb]

    Isn't the M15 a motorway? Blasted motorways!
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  467. avatar T Entertainment
    "the fact she was bumped off by M15 has been massively underplayed in the media"

    Fact, eh?
  468. avatar nonlogic liam
    Motorways: so much to answer for.
  469. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    There's no actual [i:bc539be749]evidence[/i:bc539be749] for it, but it is scientific fact.
  470. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:36b8819bfc="The enfant terrible"]the fact she was bumped off by M15 has been massively underplayed in the media. It also has substance[/quote:36b8819bfc]

    You are mohammad al fayad and I claim my 5pounds.
  471. avatar artofdarkness
    Would that be Egyptian pounds or - spit - British pounds?
  472. avatar That Man Fanjo
    A bloke announced to me t'other day "Aye, Diana. Convinced the [i:f9ce5b30eb]powers that be[/i:f9ce5b30eb] were gonna do away with her, in a convincingly staged car accident. Y'd think that kind of paranoia would make the silly slag wear her feckin seatbelt. Eh? EH!?? Nothing but a slut anyway... Queen of hearts? More like a buckbeg."
    And with that he was off like a thief in the night. Except it was 5.30 in the morning.
  473. avatar nonlogic liam
    In a recent 'who done it' documentary, forensic detectives found that the seat belts in the rear of the car were 'stuck'. Or in other words 'tampered' with. Yet still, she really was a waste of space - great tits though. Whoops!
  474. avatar Tele
    This thread has delivered.
  475. avatar kingmob
    Madeleine McCann is no Heather Mills.
  476. avatar nonlogic liam
    Can I just point out that I felt so emotional about Diana's death that I was tricked into buying an Elton John single - yes, an Elton John single!
  477. avatar feline1
    I liked Diana because Viz had this strip called "Diana - Princess of Tarts" and then her rugger lover was in it and there was this really funny bit where he cried "Man On! (or whatever it is they say in rugger)" and it was really funny and I still chortle about it to this day.
    So, her life wasn't wasted.
  478. avatar Portadown News Editor
    That Princess Diana one gave my brother the fright of his life. He was walking down an otherwise-deserted Portadown High Street at 4am on his way home from a party when a complete stranger ran up to him and started screaming: "She's dead! She's dead!"
    My bro thought someone had been murdered down a side street (again). By the time he'd calmed the guy down enough to get the real story, he was so relieved he burst out laughing. And sure, haven't we all been laughing ever since?
  479. avatar The Ronster
    I've been more moved by those loan adverts that are on during the day than I was by Diana's death, or any of the kerfuffle that surrounded it.

    I couldn't have cared less. In fact I remember laughing at the whole business quite a lot.

    Sorry bout that Liam.
  480. avatar The enfant terrible
    I remember waking up on the morning after having smoked a big joint with my mates where we put half an ounce in one joint and it took 2 and a half hours to smoke. I thought it had all been a big mad dream. Just think, me smoking a big joint while Amelie was in her bathroom finding that old man's buscuit tin hidden in the hole in the wall.
  481. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:0d65324f46="The enfant terrible"]I remember waking up on the morning after having smoked a big joint with my mates where we put half an ounce in one joint and it took 2 and a half hours to smoke. I thought it had all been a big mad dream. Just think, me smoking a big joint while Amelie was in her bathroom finding that old man's buscuit tin hidden in the hole in the wall.[/quote:0d65324f46]

    Except Amelie came out in 2001, or have I missed something subtle?
  482. avatar Tolerance
    3 penalty points on your Poetic Licence, Enfant.
  483. avatar T Entertainment
    Zing!
  484. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:23b57f2890="my-angel-rocks"][quote:23b57f2890="The enfant terrible"]I remember waking up on the morning after having smoked a big joint with my mates where we put half an ounce in one joint and it took 2 and a half hours to smoke. I thought it had all been a big mad dream. Just think, me smoking a big joint while Amelie was in her bathroom finding that old man's buscuit tin hidden in the hole in the wall.[/quote:23b57f2890]

    Except Amelie came out in 2001, or have I missed something subtle?[/quote:23b57f2890]

    Part of Amelie is set on the night Princess Diana dies, Amelie's watching the news and it says Di's died. Then she drops the llid of the jar and it rolls to the wall then dislodges the tile. See? WHile that was happening I was rolling round the red pitch up Sentry Hill in Ballymena.
  485. avatar kingmob
    Don't underestimate his razor sharp journalistic skills y'all.
  486. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:a2c0c033ff="The enfant terrible"]See?[/quote:a2c0c033ff]

    I knew there'd be something more subtle. I've not watched it in so long to remember the finer details...
  487. avatar Portadown News Editor
    A mate of mine in London claims that he spent the whole of that first Sunday morning in a blind panic because he could only find instrumental music on the radio, on all channels, but he had such a lethal hangover that he couldn't go downstairs and switch on the TV to find out why. For the first ten minutes or so he reckoned the missiles were on their way and part of him was even secretly relieved, because at least it would be the end of the hangover. After about half an hour he realised it couldn't be that so he reckoned there had probably been a coup.

    When he found out what had actually happened, he was even more amused than my brother (see above).

    The all-day all-channel instrumental music thing was extremely creepy. I think Radio 1 kept it up until half way into the following week. Apparently it was just because producers were terrified of some lyric going out that might be "inappropriate" given the public mood. But how much did all that sombre instrumental music end up setting the mood?
  488. avatar feline1
    can't wait till Auld Liz II dies,
    there'll be some quare broadcasting going on then, boy!
    (as they no doubt say in Strabane)
  489. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Indeed they do say that
  490. avatar T Entertainment
    I like putting 'Strabane' into youtube - the craic is ninety!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ehw7DGpE0
  491. avatar goatboy
    By the looks of things, Strabane looks to be the capital of lalt.

    Eyeoooooooooo etc.
  492. avatar Warren Drugs
    Aye, have youse seen this Charles here?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCJazfVMDg
  493. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    That first video was shot in the french quarter of strabane
  494. avatar goatboy
    More lalt:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GdrYrrLPt0
  495. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:3d290dc7cb="goatboy"]More lalt:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GdrYrrLPt0[/quote:3d290dc7cb]

    Sometimes I [actually do] feel I'm going to break down and cry........
  496. avatar Baronation
    All lalt aside, the Daily Mail on Sunday (which I don't buy, but do look at the headlines of at work, like I do all the papers) was running with a sensational tale about how the McCanns friends will soon be named as suspects! Some other dirt rag said the investigation will close in 7 weeks.
  497. avatar The enfant terrible
    sure they're calling their mates the "tapas 7" or something like that, like they were the dirty dozen minus the famous 5.
  498. avatar kingmob
    Coming soon to a cinema near you: Maddie the Movie. Starring Lily Allen as Madeleine McCann, Dirty Stevie Grizz as Gerry McCann, Nuala McKeever as Kate and Chris Lindsay as Robert Murat.

    [quote:bed37e0ddf]The McCanns are set to turn the story of their daughter into a film.

    Kate and Gerry are in negotiations with the world's largest talent and entertainment agency, IMG, in a deal which could be worth millions, an exclusive report in today's Evening Standard reveals.

    The money would help fund the search for Madeleine amid fears that the £1.2million raised from public donations will soon run out.

    A source close to the McCanns said: "We would only get involved with something done sensitively and considerately."

    If a deal is done with IMG, it would involve using the same team that made Touching The Void, an award-winning drama-documentary about the fight for survival of two British climbers lost on a mountain.

    The couple are also considering a book deal and selling interviews to television broadcasters with all proceeds going to the Madeleine Fund, the body set up to finance the search for the girl.

    Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3.

    The film project will be discussed at a meeting of the fund's directors, including Gerry, tomorrow night at the McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

    The Madeleine Fund is committed to spending £50,000 a month on a Spanish private detective agency. It is also paying for a poster and television advertising campaign in Spain, Portugal and Morocco, where there have been several alleged sightings.

    Estimates suggest at least £500,000 has already been spent.

    A source close to the McCann family said: "Donations from the public are still coming in but to sustain the fund properly, we will need larger amounts.

    "If the media are prepared to make donations, we will take the money. There are a few propositions out there.

    "We have had a couple of large companies involved in the film industry approach us about a long-term deal. IMG and the production company behind Touching The Void have approached Kate and Gerry. They have sent them a tape to watch to see the sort of film they make. We have only had a preliminary discussion."

    Touching The Void, which earned £7million at the box office, is the most successful British-made documentary, winning best British film at the 2004 Baftas and an Evening Standard best film.

    Directed by Oscar-winner Kevin Macdonald and made by the London-based production company Darlow Smithson, it tells the story of Joe Simpson and Simon Yates and their near-fatal attempt to climb a mountain in the Peruvian Andes through a mixture of interviews with them and dramatic reconstructions.

    A movie of the McCanns' torment in the Algarve, if made by the Touching The Void team, could follow a similar method.

    The source close to the McCanns warned that the couple will only be able to begin negotiations in earnest provided their status as official suspects - or arguidos - is lifted by Portuguese police.

    The couple's lawyers will apply for it to be removed in the coming months, once the doctors, both aged 39, have been re-interviewed by police amid reports that forensic evidence against them is at best "indicative" of their involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

    They insist the girl was abducted from their holiday apartment eight months ago as they ate at a nearby tapas restaurant and that she could still be alive.

    The source added: "The million-pound film deal is possible. It is the sort of thing we would look at seriously because in one fell swoop we could resolve the funding of the search overnight.

    "What would really help is for the arguido status to be lifted and then a wave of sympathy would lead to more money coming in."

    The meeting tomorrow follows the resignation of key board members, including the fund's spokeswoman Esther McVey.

    The fund agreed a deal in the autumn to pay the Barcelona-based agency Metodo 3 a retainer of £50,000 a month for six months to find Madeleine. Metodo 3 has come in for criticism over comments made by its boss Francisco Marco, including one that he knew who kidnapped Madeleine and a promise to find her by Christmas.

    The fund has also been criticised for paying two months' worth of mortgage payments, amounting to a few thousand pounds, on the McCanns' home while they were in Portugal and unable to work.

    The services of the family's official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, as well as the McCanns' legal team, is paid for by the couple's multi-millionaire supporter Brian Kennedy.[/quote:bed37e0ddf]

    Surely not [i:bed37e0ddf]that[/i:bed37e0ddf] Brian Kennedy?
  499. avatar T Entertainment
    "All proceeds going to the Madeline fund..."

    which seems to have an intriguingly fluid spectrum of uses.

    I suspect that is complete nonsense cooked up by their PR machine - again.
    Which major film-maker is thinking of investing millions when the following was the front page in the Express today?!

    MADELEINE: IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR



    TESTS: The McCanns with the hire car

    Tuesday January 8,2008
    By Nick Fagge in Praia da Luz Have your say(274)
    BLOOD found in the McCanns’ hire car and holiday flat DID belong to missing Madeleine, it was claimed yesterday.

    It reflects detectives’ belief that she is dead and her parents Kate and Gerry disposed of her body.

    New results sent to Portugal in the last few days show the blood samples could only belong to Madeleine, it was claimed.

    The McCanns have always insisted there were innocent explanations for the traces found behind the sofa at the Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz and in the boot of the Renault Scenic they hired there 25 days after Madeleine vanished on May 3. They claim the DNA could be linked to her siblings, two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

    But the respected Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha reported yesterday: “The definitive result of the tests leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria. The blood found in the McCanns’ car is that of Madeleine as well as those samples detected in the flat.”

    Detectives in Portugal asked British scientists to carry out new tests after initial ones by the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham proved inconclusive.

    They are believed to be using a new technique called low copy number analysis, which allows them to find a genetic fingerprint from a tiny sample.

    The samples from the flat and the hire car were said to be damaged and of low quality, but police sources now claim the latest results are definitive.

    Portuguese detectives plan to travel to Britain in the coming weeks to reinterview the McCanns and the friends they dined with at a tapas restaurant on the night Madeleine vanished, aged three.





    Yesterday Dr Russell O’Brien and his partner Jane Tanner were named as the two friends reported last year to have told police they wanted to change their account of that evening.

    Ms Tanner, 37, from Exeter, says she saw a mystery man carrying a child away from the flat at 9.15pm on the night Madeleine vanished.

    Police were said to believe Dr O’Brien, 36, wanted to change his statement to claim he also saw the man, newspaper 24 Horas reported.

    But staff at the restaurant say Ms Tanner was at the table throughout the meal and only left after Kate came running in shouting “They’ve taken her!”, the tabloid reported.

    Dr O’Brien and Ms Tanner have denied contacting police to change their stories and sources close to the McCanns support that position.

    The McCanns were made formal suspects after sniffer dogs allegedly detected the “scent of death” in the flat and car, and on clothes belonging to Kate.

    Further tests found microscopic blood traces in the flat and on lining in the boot of the car.

    Portuguese police believe Madeleine died in an accident and that Kate and Gerry conspired with their friends to dispose of the body.

    Police sources claim the couple could be charged with manslaughter as well as hiding a body and wasting police time. Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39 and from Rothley, Leics, deny involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.

    They have had independent DNA tests on the car which they say revealed no trace of Madeleine.

    Last night their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “These reports are very distressing for Kate and Gerry, they are depressed that again wild rumour and speculation is being presented as fact. We wish Portuguese police would just get on with their investigation, come over to England and carry out the interviews with Kate and Gerry and their friends.

    All those interviews will prove, yet again, that Kate and Gerry have nothing to hide.

    “As for the supposed DNA testing, we cannot comment on yet more unsubstantiated rampant speculation in the Portuguese press.

    “It is ridiculous to suggest that Madeleine’s blood was in the hire car because she was never in it. It was hired more than 20 days after she went missing, which means it was impossible for her to have ever been in it.

    Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death. Nor were they involved in disposing of her body.

    To suggest otherwise is ridiculous. This report is flying in the face of all other articles which reported that the DNA and forensic tests were inconclusive.

    “If there had been anything found I would have thought there would have been more urgent activity on the behalf of the Portuguese police than there has been.

    “We have been waiting months now for them to come to England to carry out their re-interviewing. Anything the police feel may give them cause for concern can be wholly and innocently explained.

    “But until we actually see the official FSS report we have no idea what it contains, and I suggest the Portuguese press don’t either.”

    A friend of the McCanns added: “They were in no way involved in her disappearance, reports like this just add to their anguish. We would also point out that low copy DNA is under review by police forces in this country following the outcome of the Omagh bombing trial.”
  500. avatar kingmob
    [quote:050486d5a3]They are believed to be using a new technique called low copy number analysis, which allows them to find a genetic fingerprint from a tiny sample. [/quote:050486d5a3]

    Aye, low copy DNA analysis worked so well with the Omagh bomb trial...
  501. avatar rentaghost
    yesbut I want to know why she wasn't home for Christmas, like the Team McCann private detective claimed she would be (see: all tabloid papers, early december)

    Sounds like someone got a piece of coal from santa instead....
  502. avatar T Entertainment
    50k a month would make me want to talk up my achievements in the hope of continuing employment as well, gotta say.
  503. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    If either of you two were parents then you'd understand the need to make a movie, which for my money could potentially equal the Roseanne* bioflick in terms of sheer quality and drama.


    (*the one with Tackleberry as Tom Arnold)
  504. avatar kingmob
    Is Tackleberry not twice as tall as Tom Arnold :lol:
  505. avatar nonlogic liam
    I can't believe this topic is back. Unlike Madeline :lol:
  506. avatar goatboy
    How on earth can they talk about a film when they still don't know exactly what f*cking happened?

    If she turns up alive and well and has been hiding down the back of the sofa or something, I doubt it will make for a very good film!
  507. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    Mob, that was only a minor detail in the most hilarious film i have ever seen
  508. avatar rentaghost
    I thought Ben Affleck had already pretty much made the film??
  509. avatar tinpot anto
    Well, since he didn't release it in the UK out of consideration for good taste (wow Ben, really???) that leaves a handy opportunity in the market, now doesn't it?
  510. avatar kingmob
    According to Metacritic, the movie is not that bad.

    [url]http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/gonebabygone?q=gone%20baby%20gone[/url]

    It's based on a Dennis Lehane novel, and he's a cracking writer.
  511. avatar my-angel-rocks
    if youse all had kids you'd understand...this is just the 21st century version of making a home movie about how great your kids are then inviting the neighbours round to watch it...hire a production company and then put it on public release...

    "Here's our Maddie's first step. Here's our Maddie opening her Christmas presents and playing with the wrapping paper. Here's Maddie playing hide and seek and hiding in her favourite place, the car boot. We could never find her when she hid in there" (etc for 90mins cert 18[b:92715f3019][/b:92715f3019])
  512. avatar Chi-Lite
    Yous are all p[b:e55b593a92][/b:e55b593a92]ricks

    P[b:e55b593a92][/b:e55b593a92]RICKS!
  513. avatar tinpot anto
    I fu*ckin hate Ben Affleck.
  514. avatar kingmob
    Ach, his performance as O'Bannion in Dazed and Confused means he's alright by me. There are worse people out there.
  515. avatar tinpot anto
    No you are wrong. There isn't.

    Ben Affleck is the worst human being ever.
  516. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:b6ddd16503="Chi-Lite"]Yous are all p[b:b6ddd16503][/b:b6ddd16503]ricks

    P[b:b6ddd16503][/b:b6ddd16503]RICKS![/quote:b6ddd16503]

    Meanwhile parents who leave their pre-school children alone in a strange apartment in a foreign country while they swan off to eat tapas with seven other adults, any one of whom could have taken a turn to babysit?

    what are they then?

    there must be a name for that....
  517. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    ... is it 'an air-tight alibi as long as no-one cracks and they never find what is in that tennis bag'?
  518. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well, it certainly doesn't warrant being accused of murdering your own child.

    Not without some serious, proper evidence like.

    And, even regardless of that, considering not one person on this wanky forum knows anything about it beyond media speculation, it's a bit, well, [i:b4c4a5564b]prickish[/i:b4c4a5564b] to be making distasteful, crap pseudo-jokes about a f[b:b4c4a5564b][/b:b4c4a5564b]ucking missing child. Is it not.

    I really do fear for humanity when an abducted, possibly murdered child becomes the butt of crap jokes nationwide within just a few weeks. Even if her parents did f[b:b4c4a5564b][/b:b4c4a5564b]ucking kill her, aye, [i:b4c4a5564b]what a big f[b:b4c4a5564b][/b:b4c4a5564b]ucking joke[/i:b4c4a5564b]...

    And what an even better excuse for all and sundry to spout off their venomous wee opinions on something they know nothing about, on an internet forum.

    Yous seriously should be f[b:b4c4a5564b][/b:b4c4a5564b]ucking ASHAMED
  519. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    I'm just stating the facts my man.
  520. avatar kingmob
    The day people have to be informed before they post on the internet is the day that it collapses and dies.
  521. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:ac5fcf5839="Chi-Lite"]Well, it certainly doesn't warrant being accused of murdering your own child.

    Not without some serious, proper evidence like.

    And, even regardless of that, considering not one person on this <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/104.gif' /> forum knows anything about it beyond media speculation, it's a bit, well, [i:ac5fcf5839]prickish[/i:ac5fcf5839] to be making distasteful, crap pseudo-jokes about a f[b:ac5fcf5839][/b:ac5fcf5839]ucking missing child. Is it not.

    I really do fear for humanity when an abducted, possibly murdered child becomes the butt of crap jokes nationwide within just a few weeks. Even if her parents did f[b:ac5fcf5839][/b:ac5fcf5839]ucking kill her, aye, [i:ac5fcf5839]what a big f[b:ac5fcf5839][/b:ac5fcf5839]ucking joke[/i:ac5fcf5839]...

    And what an even better excuse for all and sundry to spout off their venomous wee opinions on something they know nothing about, on an internet forum.

    Yous seriously should be f[b:ac5fcf5839][/b:ac5fcf5839]ucking ASHAMED[/quote:ac5fcf5839]

    But its not the child who is the butt of the jokes. It's the complete circus surrounding and including the child's family.

    Who, I repeat, left her alone in the night in a strange apartment in a foreign country and for whom I have ZERO sympathy, regardless of the outcome.
  522. avatar Chi-Lite
    Yes, so, [i:029c6f6bfd]funny[/i:029c6f6bfd], right?
  523. avatar T Entertainment
    The only thing which has been more nauseating on the many, many threads I have read on this subject (on many, many message boards) than the occasional appalling joke about the disappearance of the child herself is the sight of people self-righteously ascending their high horses and accusing anyone of commenting on the ABSOLUTE CIRCUS this has become as being less compassionate people. In resposne not to jokes, but to reasonable comment.
    I am no less concerned about the fate of a missing child or abhorred by the possibility she has been murdered than someone who doesn't comment on the horrible, disturbing circus of spin and counter spin this has become in the media.
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  524. avatar rentaghost
    yes, [i:13086af81e]funny[/i:13086af81e].

    Or else no-one would laugh at any jokes about any situation where anyone was murdered and we would all die of depression.

    Have you never laughed at a joke about the troubles? or fred and rose west? or harold shipman?

    In all of thses situations people (sometimes children)died tragically, but it doesnt make funny jokes about the situation any less funny.

    [i:13086af81e]sick [/i:13086af81e]I'll grant you.

    being able to laugh about death is part of being human.
  525. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    ... they look guilty, their DNA is all over the crime scene, their jib is either cut from strange cloth or in an odd shape, she's way too thin.
    There are a few other facts that I considered before forming an opinion, mainly related to tennis, the psychology of tennis playing. I'm not going to go into it but he is a classic McEnroe, while she is clearly more of a Borg. Its pretty airtight stuff.
  526. avatar Chi-Lite
    God, we're all so [i:f56f66bef8]Postmodern[/i:f56f66bef8], aren't we.


    What annoys me is that the people who are constantly going on about what a CIRCUS the case has become, are those who simultaneously make it a circus, notably by making crap wee jokes about it, or by posting an entire newspaper article about yer man's latest round of golf, or making spurious comments about how they must have done it, you can tell by the way they're acting. If this case has become a circus, it's due almost entirely to actions like that, and not because yer man got his mortgage paid or whatever....


    And come on, if someone was shot dead by the RIRA tomorrow, and p[b:f56f66bef8][/b:f56f66bef8]ricks were making jokes about it of the calibre we've seen here, or making random allegations about the victims family members "probably shooting him/her themselves", on this website, within days or weeks, there'd be f[b:f56f66bef8][/b:f56f66bef8]ucking uproar.

    I've tried not to say anything about this, and I'm not saying anything more. Wise the bap.
  527. avatar T Entertainment
    God, Marty sometimes you're like a bizarre cross between Anne Widdecombe and Des Wilson!

    :lol:
  528. avatar Chi-Lite
    Thanks.
  529. avatar tenrabbits
    I'd say more a cross between a horse and an ass.
  530. avatar Chi-Lite
    Can it Charlie
  531. avatar tenrabbits
    By which of course you get a stubborn mule.
  532. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    [quote:0f6d87c62e="Chi-Lite"]God, we're all so [i:0f6d87c62e]Postmodern[/i:0f6d87c62e], aren't we.[/quote:0f6d87c62e]
    Yes we are. Nothing is created in a vacuum.
  533. avatar Andrew
    DVD extras include a commentary track by Jenny and Robert Murat, 'Inside the Tapas Nine' featurette and a Cuddle Cat cartoon.
  534. avatar rentaghost
    Did anyone see 'The One Show' tonight?
    thought not - anyway - the bottom line is that both Christine Bleakley and Sigmund Freud agree with me and T-ent! So there!

    The great public interest in murder and potential murder cases, and being able to laugh about them, psychologically enables us to face our deepest fears regarding murder itself.
    or something.

    which is also why horror films and the chamber of horrors at madame Tussauds have proved so successful.
  535. avatar kingmob
    I think the posters on the Football365 website should be condemned for making light of this and posting up a whole pile of Photoshopped film pictures.

    Like:

    [img:0d85285041]http://i6.tinypic.com/86fapfp.gif[/img:0d85285041]

    [url=http://forum.football365.com/index.php?t=msg&th=486418&prevloaded=1&&start=0]Prepare to be outraged![/url][/img]
  536. avatar T Entertainment
    Oh God, Kingmob, you're so LONDON AND POSTMODERN...IF YOU HAD KIDS YOU'D UNDERSTAND! CHILDLESS! CHILDLESS,[size=24:dac3401d8e] POSTMODERN LONDON SHAMELESS F*CKING MONSTER! [/size:dac3401d8e]
  537. avatar nonlogic liam
    Do I still have to pay taxes toward child benefits so that single mums can continue to sit on their fat ars-es gorging themselves and getting free houses? People with children should be childless...
  538. avatar T Entertainment
    Liam, as a guest in our country, you are a net beneficiary of the largesse of the British taxpayer. I suggest you show more in the way of gratitude. If we want to subsidise fat ars*d single mothers AND economic immigrants like yourself, then that's our business and Her Majesty's.
  539. avatar zebulon
    And nobody has noticed T-Ents is still in his pyjamas he types to us.
  540. avatar T Entertainment
    Evangelists pyjamas.
  541. avatar tinpot anto
    Eamonn's pyjama's?
  542. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:676947d273]Liam, as a guest in our country, you are a net beneficiary of the largesse of the British taxpayer. I suggest you show more in the way of gratitude. If we want to subsidise fat ars*d single mothers AND economic immigrants like yourself, then that's our business and Her Majesty's. [/quote:676947d273]
    "I British now, I love people here, which way to dole office?". Screw you Lindsay - I've been pumping money into this economic black hole for 7 years now - all funded by the Irish government. If anything each person in Northern Ireland owes me a tenner!
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  543. avatar goatboy
    [quote:04c9588339="kingmob"]I think the posters on the Football365 website should be condemned for making light of this and posting up a whole pile of Photoshopped film pictures.[/quote:04c9588339]

    Some of the other film titles they have been coming up with have been pretty funny too. My favourites include:

    Murat: Child Kidnappings of Portugal for Make Benefit Glorious Tabloid Media of United Kingdom
    Maddyshack
    Daddy Day Care-less
    Catch Me If You McCann
  544. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:bd903c77ab="nonlogic liam"]I've been pumping money into this economic black hole for 7 years now[/quote:bd903c77ab]

    The publicans of Belfast salute you.

    Note: that's pub owners not gerry and the boys.
  545. avatar nonlogic liam
    You really are a bitter little person, are you not? How do you sleep at night?
  546. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:830402da17="goatboy"]


    Murat: Child Kidnappings of Portugal for Make Benefit Glorious Tabloid Media of United Kingdom
    Maddyshack
    Daddy Day Care-less
    Catch Me If You McCann[/quote:830402da17]

    These are just sh[i:830402da17]i[/i:830402da17]te.
  547. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:f391b52072="nonlogic liam"]You really are a bitter little person, are you not? How do you sleep at night?[/quote:f391b52072]

    Actually I'm fairly tall. So bitter large person is more appropriate. I sleep the same way you do - in a drunken haze of course.
  548. avatar nonlogic liam
    Useless you go to sleep drunk on power and genius - I fail to see the comparison between us.
  549. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:e0558bb5cb="nonlogic liam"]Useless you go to sleep drunk on power and genius - I fail to see the comparison between us.[/quote:e0558bb5cb]

    Actually.. I do go to sleep drunk on power and genius - your power and genius.. it touches me even in my sleep. Although being touched in my sleep by you is probably not a good thing really.
  550. avatar nonlogic liam
    You'll never know, baby.
  551. avatar tenrabbits
    Tease..
  552. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    [quote:be87a403e6="nonlogic liam"]Useless you go to sleep drunk on power and genius - I fail to see the comparison between us.[/quote:be87a403e6]

    Heh, class.
  553. avatar Pete
    [quote:c6098cc43e="nonlogic liam"]If anything each person in Northern Ireland owes me a tenner![/quote:c6098cc43e]

    If we all paid up would you leave us alone?
  554. avatar nonlogic liam
    Yes but Pete, Northern Ireland is a statelet of takers not givers. Fact! Your more likely to contract drugs resistant T.B than get a penny out of a Northern Ireland "person".
  555. avatar Lotion
    That eternal prison conundrum: giver or taker.
  556. avatar my-angel-rocks
    It appears the mccann's are now suing the express group for 1million per newspaper (so 4million) for all the stories they printed suggesting that the mccanns were guilty.
  557. avatar RockShandy
    As they haven't stood trial yet, they may not have a case. Either way, they're as guilty as sin.
  558. avatar T Entertainment
    "It appears the mccann's are now suing the express group for 1million per newspaper (so 4million) for all the stories they printed suggesting that the mccanns were guilty."

    I'll believe it when I see it in court.
    'Team McCann' (their term) have been threatening legal action against many outlets for months now and no action at all has been taken...
    If they won't answer questions in a private interview with Portugese authorities, the last thing they want is a public cross examination by a QC in a public court, believe me.
  559. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:b16946b839="T Entertainment"]I'll believe it when I see it in court.
    'Team McCann' (their term) have been threatening legal action against many outlets for months now and no action at all has been taken...[/quote:b16946b839]

    Thats true..though they did turn down the 250,000 dirty des offered them to go away, they might be serious
  560. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:6a04d30936="T Entertainment"]the last thing they want is a public cross examination by a QC in a public court, believe me.[/quote:6a04d30936]

    It's the last thing I want too, I don't want the newspapers of Gerard's Summer 2008 to be cluttered up with that.
  561. avatar T Entertainment
    I always thought the repeated harping in Dewsbury that Team Shannon weren't getting as much dough as Team McCann was a bit rum.
    Did anyone else see that street party last night?
    It was like the 11th night in Rathcoole.

    Hmmm, looks like the Express has indeed settled with the McCanns.
  562. avatar The enfant terrible
    Team shannon had an uglier kid though, so what did they expect?
  563. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Will the "stop telling lies" verdict against Express newspapers today perhaps put an end to their "Aye, her ma and ada did it, so they did" stories in the Shannon case?
  564. avatar T Entertainment
    Unlikely: wa, wa, wa, wa, waaaaaaaaaaaa...


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7763260.stm

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  565. avatar november kyle
    Definitely checking Ebay for one of those t-shirts.
  566. avatar goatboy
    Judging by that photo she was just hidden inside her ma's t-shirt the whole time.
  567. avatar nonlogic liam
    Mill mums, is there anything that they will not do to rip off the system? Not content with being on the dole for life, having a free house, and a lifestyle that puts most rock stars to shame they have to go and kidnap their bairns and hold them for ransom in order to get more cash for track-suits and beer. Next they'll be kidnapping themselves, althought I can only assume that a dead mill mum in an attic would be a benefit to society rather than a burden. Correct me if I'm wrong.
  568. avatar T Entertainment
    Run for office on that ticket!
    Just not in Buncrana, where Karen Matthews would be regarded as a great catch and could clean up at a summer beauty pageant.
  569. avatar The enfant terrible
    You can just tell by looking at him that the weeist kid could say bastard before he could say mama.
  570. avatar nonlogic liam
    I'M NOT FROM BUNCRANA! Donegal girls are chasted and lovely. So unlike their Northern Ireland counterparts, whose idea of chastity is not going all the way on a first date (unless they get drunk and then they're fair game and proud/grateful of it)...
  571. avatar feline1
    I moved house last week, and whilst clearing out tons of left-behind junk from some cupboards, who should I find but Maddy! What a turn up for the books.
  572. avatar my-angel-rocks
    FELINE OF ALL EVIL!