1. avatar Conjor
    My first post!
    ... this should go in the gear section, but not many people go there :p
    I'm trying to decide on a soundcard. At the minute it's a toss up between;
    M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (or perhaps another M-Audio Delta card)
    TerraTec 6Fire 24/96
    Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum eX
    They're all around the same price and have 24/96 recording and playback. Anyone got any opinions? Used one or more before? I'll be mostly using Cubase and probably only be doing one instrument at a time (although a couple at once is a good bonus). If there's any SLIGHTLY more expensive, but well better, then I wouldn't mind hearing about them.
  2. avatar fastfude
    Our brian has that Audiophile, I'll get him to comment.

    I have an Audigy 1. Creative have *woeful* driver support. I wouldn't recommend any of their cards as a result. I've also heard the Audigy 1, which supposedly has 24bit 96kHz support, doesn't. It samples it down to 16bit at some point the hardware then back up or sthg.
  3. avatar Conjor
    Aye, I heard that the earlier Audigys didn't have full 24/96 recording, only playback, but the newest one evidently does. The Audigy 2 Platinum eX doesn't look too bad actually, but I haven't seen enough reviews yet.
  4. avatar That Man Fanjo
    I think I need one of them there soundcard jabbies...

    But I don't know ANYTHING about what they are, what they do etc - in short, I have the brains of a minkey (yes, a minkey) where they are concerned. In fact, where anything computer-related is concerned.

    So, start from the very beginning, if you please, and the first person to simultaneously answer my question and... er... Conjor's will receive a Cadbury's Boost and a TMF cd by way of thanks.
  5. avatar Conjor
    I'll send you an email with a basic explanation (as that's all I know - I have the brain of a medium-sized tangerine)

    P.S. Can I have a boost and a TMF CD? I'm hungry and my ears are bored.
  6. avatar fastfude
    check the Audio Video section of Tom's Hardware for reliable reviews of the Audigy 2 and others:

  7. avatar EPK
    Damn...he don't review my RME.
    Never mind, it's the expensive dog's danglies anyway, and it's beautiful.
    I could tell you, Mr. Fanjo, but not in few words.
    besides, with your height, I'd have to shout........
  8. avatar feline1
    M-Audio is the best,
    and has Linux drivers.

    This should be in the equipment forum though.

    Not many people go there,
    but then all the people that do want to talk about equipment,
    as opposed to Metallica B-sides or who set fire to a bouncers hair.
  9. avatar REALelectricNo9
    bouncers dont have hair on their head silly.
  10. avatar feline1
    They did in the 70s,
    they all had permed mullets.

    But that was before I burnt all their hair off.
  11. avatar muttlee
    i have the M-Audio Delta and it is indeed a swell piece of kit.
    no probs at all.
    my friend, giraffe boy, has the M-Audio Quattro which makes my glans swell.
    it has four jack ins and outs. and midi to boot.
    but if you really are just recording one or two at a time, the Delta is fine.
    M-Audio are a great company in my opinion.
    very helpful and all that.

    you may find that, if you are happy with recording two things at a time, eventually you will wish you could record more, as is the case with me.
    if there isn't much difference between the Delta and the Quattro..... definately get the Quattro.
    it's a beauty!!
  12. avatar EPK
    With the RME I am blessed with 8 analogue inputs and outputs, SPDIF ins and outs, and ADAT optical for smultaneous 8 track transfer and recording.
  13. avatar muttlee
    I can't think of anything other way to demonstrate my FURY at your ridiculous audio might.
    why it's just intolerable, this oneupmanship.
    how am i to beat my neighbour without employing chemical or biological weaponry?
  14. avatar EPK
    Just rail helplessly, gnash your teeth and beat the walls for a while, Brian.
    My PC is wearing an NBC proof cover, is in a
    hardened shelter that can survive all but a direct hit from a 20 megaton warhead but, astoundingly....can't play CDs. True.
  15. avatar Conjor
    I do REALLY like M-Audio, and I',m very tempted just to splash out on summit like the omni-studio. I have no money though. The Audigy 2 Platinum blah blah blah is, on paper, really good, but I've heard such poor reports about earlier versions.
    What is the "four-one-one" on playing DVDs and MP3s with these sound cards?? I've heard that some of them don't have support and you need to run a second soundcard. Mmmmm.

    Does the Audiophile have a 1/4" input?? I can't remember from the specs. I know the 6Fire does.
  16. avatar ClayPeterFace
    how many inputs do those soundcards you mentioned have, and when i say inputs, i mean inputs that can record simultaneously, for drumkit recording fun.

    and what the fu(k is this emoticon sposed to be;

    a smoking cowboy? with a green hat? the world's gone mad
  17. avatar Conjor
    These soundcards only have about 1 or 2 1/4' inputs and maybe an XLR of suchlike input. To record a drumkit, you'd need on the M-Audio cards that has a mahoosive number of inputs. For £500 you can get the 10/10 which, as the name suggests, has 10 inputs and 10 outputs. There are cheaper ones that have 6 or 4 inputs.

    You could always use a mixer to put all your inputs, then bring this into the soundcard.
  18. avatar EPK
    Technically,with many cards all inputs can record simultaneously (mine will do 1 , but the specs of your computer may limit what you can do, as it'll be hard pressed to record a fair few whilst also reading and playing any other tracks previously recorded. I've done a max of 8 at any one time.
  19. avatar Pete
    What ever happened to good old analogue tape, eh? It was brilliant, record as many tracks at one time as the tape will take... them was the days!!
  20. avatar Conjor
    The days of analogue, ah well...

    I'm still trying to decide between DMX 6Fire and the Audiophile. I'm actually swaying towards the TerraTec, and when I eventually upgrade the card, I'll get a high(er) end caed from M-Audio.

    I think anyway...
  21. avatar EPK
    No...tape wasn't THAT simple.
    There were the oddities, like having to refrain from recording instruments with an important high-frequency component on the two tracks at the edges of the tape, the fact that when your heads went they'd cost the price of a computer to replace, let alone align....not to mention the mechanical problems when the tape'd get wrapped around things, snap, get magnetised, have drop outs. And don't start on the costs of large tape formats.
    In comparison, using things like the Alesis HD24 is a trip to heaven.
  22. avatar no coffee no workee
    Things like...

    the tape and the heads deciding what the playback should sound like, even though you spent 2 hours getting THAT bass sound you've always wanted, only to hear a different sound on playback...

    losing a very important vocal take, cause there ain't no 'hungover engineer undo' function on tape...

    1" reels cost £60. Each. For 40 minutes...

    You can't lose the skin off of your finger (Tony Iommi stylee) slowing down a computer track...

    they are a bollix to realign and recalibrate...

    who understands 'tape bias'? No, really...

    But I still lurve the sound of hot tape drums. The horror, the horror...
  23. avatar EPK
    Yep, it was always good to get that saturated sound.
    Digital is easier. I like it.
  24. avatar Pete
    I just hate having to sit at a computer and rely on electronics when I spend all day using the damned things for work.

    We spent a full week at Einstein studios, recording onto 24 track tape, and we didn't have a single problem.. until we had to remix that is and had recreate all the mixdown settings.

    Having said that, due to expense involved we have opted for the "easy" option of Cubase for our own studio. We use a Terratec card if I recall correctly. But we have a @#%$ hot dual proc computer with oodles of RAM.
  25. avatar EPK
    I go for a mixture of Alesis 24 track digital thru an analogue desk synchronised to my PC running Cubase SX.
    That way I get the maximum problems from digital and analogue sources. Keeps ye on yer toes.
  26. avatar ClayPeterFace
    i really like the idea of recording drums all separately; we've recorded them through an external mixer in the past but when it comes to the final mixdown we always wish we could back and tweak the drums.

    I think protools may be the solution. Better get saving.
  27. avatar Suki Monster
    Better get saving?Enrol yourself on a full time tech course and use your student loan :)
    Thats what I did any way.
  28. avatar ClayPeterFace
    well i am a student, but i find i kinda need my loan for food and other such nonsense.

    As soon as i can upgrade this weak, fleshy human body to something less high maintenance i will.
  29. avatar EPK
    I'm a lucky bellix in that I use a minimum of 7 and a max of 10 tracks for drums. I prefer to stick 'em thru the desk as I hate EQing in software. It's far too fiddly.