1. avatar Bobphoenix
    [quote:f3444237bb]Dell gives the go-ahead for Linux

    Large firms like Oracle use open source Linux software
    Computer giant Dell will start to sell PCs preinstalled with open source Linux operating systems, the firm has said.
    The second largest computer maker in the world said it had chosen to offer Linux in response to customer demand.

    Earlier this year, 100,000 people took part in a Dell survey. More than 70% of respondents said they would use Linux.

    Dell has not released details of which versions of Linux it will use or which computers it will run on, but promised an update in the coming weeks.

    "Dell has heard you," said a statement on the firm's website. "Our first step in this effort is offering Linux preinstalled on select desktop and notebook systems."

    Currently the company only offers Microsoft Windows on its computers, but sells servers running Linux.

    Members of the Linux community welcomed the move.

    The fact that Dell is offering a desktop with Linux is no surprise to

    Nick Veitch

    Nick Veitch, senior editor of Linux Format magazine, described it as "significant".

    "I think it sends a message in two ways," he said.

    "One is that a major company is confident enough to be able to offer Linux preinstalled on a desktop - that sends a signal that Linux is usable to the average user - and I think it shows that there is a growing demand for an alternative to Windows."

    'No surprise'

    Microsoft is the world's largest software maker and its proprietary Windows operating system is found on nine out of every 10 personal computers.

    Dell currently only offers Windows software on its laptops

    While companies such as Microsoft earn money by licensing and charging for use of their products, Linux code is freely available.

    That means anyone can modify it or develop applications for it. As a result, there are many different types, or distributions, of Linux operating systems that offer different functionality.

    As Linux is free to download and distribute, the exact numbers of users is difficult to quantify.

    However, analysts believe that approximately 6% of computers users run Linux, similar to the numbers choosing Apple Macs.

    Big business and governments, particularly in the developing world, are also starting to exploit the flexibility of open source code.

    The UK Cabinet Office recently evaluated the operating system and approved it as a viable alternative to proprietary systems. Car manufacturer Peugeot has also rolled it out across its employees' desktop computers.

    But until now there has not been a major computer manufacturer willing to preinstall Linux on consumer computers.

    "The fact that Dell is offering a desktop with Linux is no surprise," said Mr Veitch.

    "The surprise is that it has taken them this long."


    Could be the fire of a new era...
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  3. avatar Pete
    Dell have been selling workstations "linux ready" for some time now. They came with no operating system and all the hardware was configured so as to work out of the box with Red Hat Enterprise. I installed a fair few of them in my time working in QUB.
  4. avatar Bobphoenix
    I'm curious as to which version they'll be putting on. I would imagine OpenSUSE would be a great choice due the vast amount of packages it includes, and the fact that it's Novell means a lot of people will already be familiar with the companies products.
  5. avatar Pete
    Yeah, I would have thought of Suse and Fedora being the front runners because of the previous history with the two companies.
  6. avatar Bobphoenix
    [quote:a85ddbb5c8]drakeguild30/03/07 02:25 am
    Ubuntu is the dogs bollix. Don't get me started on Beryl:


    I am glad Dell have finally caught on to this. [/quote:a85ddbb5c8]

    Just checked this out. Now that is a nice GUI. I'm downloading Beryl now for my SuSe box. f.uck you Vista.
  7. avatar feline1
    Linux is no BBC Model B OSbytes.
  8. avatar thebatgranny
    Beryl is a treachorous wench of a GUI, I installed it and it killed my system :( Of course I'm waaay to lazy to actually hoke around and see what is wrong with it.
  9. avatar my-angel-rocks
    Yeah, beryl is flashy, but almost completely useless and with no nice window manager features at all. I installed it once, and it ran perfectly smoothly and nice, but I was bored and annoyed with it after 20 minutes. Plus the developers are generally assholes...
  10. avatar fastfude
    Based on that youtube clip, Beryl comes across as silly fluff for hardware vendors to show off their new video cards with. How does having a desktop as a 3d-rendered user-rotatable cube get my work done faster? A good UI makes using the system easier. If it can look cool while doing it then great, but that shouldn't be the goal. If it sets out to look cool first and be useful second then there's little point.
  11. avatar drakeguild
    [quote:a110a86d17="fastfude"]Based on that youtube clip, Beryl comes across as silly fluff for hardware vendors to show off their new video cards with. How does having a desktop as a 3d-rendered user-rotatable cube get my work done faster? A good UI makes using the system easier. If it can look cool while doing it then great, but that shouldn't be the goal. If it sets out to look cool first and be useful second then there's little point.[/quote:a110a86d17]

    Something can function well and look good. Take yourself, for instance.
  12. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:5c8b22aabb="drakeguild"]Something can function well and look good.[/quote:5c8b22aabb]

    Beryl, sadly, fails at both.
  13. avatar thefatson
    I'd rather have no os at all and put my own on.

    If your using linux use [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_2vKq5cZk]xgl[/url] for your desktop
  14. avatar Pete
    I want that user interface they use at the end of Jurassic Park to get the electricity back up and running again.
  15. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    blah blah fucking blah blah.

    nobody cares - jesus christ. what a load of ballix.. I'm going to start a thread now about how the new JCB forkift is better at lifting shit than the old mercedes one. dont really care if you's start defending yourselves and slabber back - i really dont care - i wont be replying back anyway.. i wont even be looking at this thread again. only reason i went into it is because it angered me. i dont even give a shit if my spelling and puncuation is rightw..
    seriously though. what the fuck. take this to a forum where people actually care. make a private little forum i dont care. but i really dont want to know about your shitty little quims about a linux operating system. fastfude dot fucking com - LAWLLL.. christ almighty. seriously people wise the fucking fuck up.
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  18. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    [quote:c456078c68]A forklift truck, a lift truck or a forklift is a powered industrial truck used to lift and transport materials, normally by means of steel forks inserted under the load. Forklifts are most commonly used to move loads stored on pallets. The forklift was developed in the 1920s by various companies including the transmission manufacturing company Clark (today known as Clark Material Handling Company) and the hoist company Yale & Towne Manufacturing (Today known as Yale Materials Handling Corporation). It has since become an indispensable piece of equipment in manufacturing and warehousing operations.

    Design types
    There are many national and/or continental associations related to the industrial trucks. The three major ones are the Industrial Truck Association (North America), the Fédération Européenne de la Manutention (Europe) and the Japan Industrial Vehicles Association (Japan). There are many significant contacts among them and they have established joint statistical and engineering programs. One program is the WITS (World Industrial Trucks Statistics) published every month to the association memberships. The statistics are separated by area (continent), country, and class of machine. While the statistics are generic, and do not count production from most of the smaller manufacturers, the information is significant for its depth. These contacts have brought to a common definition of the Class System, which all the major manufacturers adhere to. Following is the list of the more common truck types, from the smallest to the biggest:

    Hand pallet truck
    Walkie low lift truck
    Rider low lift truck
    Towing tractor
    Walkie stacker
    Rider stacker
    Reach truck
    Electric counterbalanced truck
    IC counterbalanced truck
    Telescopic handler
    Slip Sheet machine
    Walkie Order Picking truck
    Rider Order Picking truck
    Very narrow aisle truck [edit] Characteristics
    A typical forklift may be generally described as follows:

    The truck proper, which is a motive machine with wheels and/or tracks powered through a drive train
    An LPG, petrol or diesel fueled internal combustion engine, or an electric motor(s) either Direct Current or Alternating Current powered by either a battery or fuel cells.
    The mast, which is the vertical assembly that does the work of raising, lowering, and tilting the load; the mast is either hydraulically operated consisting of one or more cylinder(s) and interlocking rails for lifting and lowering operations and for lateral stability, or it may be chain operated with a hydraulic motor providing motive power.
    The carriage, which comprises flat metal plate(s) and is moved along the mast either by means of chains, or by being directly attached to the hydraulic cylinder.
    One or more Forks, which are the L-shaped members that engage the load. The back vertical portion of the fork attaches to the carriage most often by means of a hook or latch (Class I to IV forks), some forks use a shaft mount. The front horizontal portion (which is usually tapered for ease of insertion) is inserted into or under the load, usually on a pallet or skid. Alternatively, a variety of other equipment is available, including slipsheet clamps, carton clamps, carpet rams, pole handlers, container handlers, roll clamps and others.
    A load back rest is fitted when the load is higher than the top of the carriage, and is a rack-like extension either bolted or welded to the carriage to prevent the load from shifting backward
    Rider operated machines have a driver's overhead guard, which is a metal roof, supported by posts, that helps protect the operator from any falling objects.

    The cab, which may contain a seat for the operator, along with the control pedals, steering wheel, levers, and switches for controlling the machine and a dashboard containing operator readouts. The cab may be open, or closed, but is bounded by the cage-like overhead guard assembly.
    Counterbalance machines have a counterweight, which is a heavy iron mass attached to the rear of the machine, necessary to compensate for the load. In an electric forklift, the large lead-acid battery itself may serve as part of the counterweight.

    Control and capability
    Forklift trucks are available in many variations and load capacities. In a typical warehouse setting most forklifts used have load capacities of around one to five tons, though machines of over 50 tonnes capacity have been built and operated.

    In addition to a control to raise and lower the forks (also known as blades or tines), the operator can tilt the mast to compensate for a load's tendency to angle the blades toward the ground and risk slipping off the forks. Tilt also provides a limited ability to operate on non-level ground. Some machines also allow the operator to move the tines and backrest laterally(side-shift), allowing easier placement of a load. To aid the handling of skids that may have become excessively tilted and other specialty material handling needs, some forklifts are fitted with a mechanism that allows the tines to be rotated. In addition, a few machines offer a hydraulic control to move the tines together or apart, removing the need for the operator to get out of the cab to manually adjust for a differently sized load.

    Roll and Barrel Clamp attachments for handling barrels, kegs, or paper rolls also have a control to operate the Clamp pads that grab the load, such attachments also usually have a rotate function so that a vertically stored paper roll can be inserted into the horizontal intake of a printing press.

    In some locations (such as carpet warehouses) a long metal pole is used instead of forks to lift large rolls. Similar devices, though much larger are used to pick up 40 tonne metal coils.

    Another variation, used in some manufacturing facilities, utilizes forklift trucks with a clamp attachment that the operator can open and close around a load, instead of forks. Products such as cartons, boxes, etc., can be moved with these trucks. The product to be moved is squeezed, lifted, and carried to its destination. These are generally referred to as "clamp trucks".

    [b:c456078c68]Skilled forklift operators annually compete in obstacle and timed challenges at regional Forklift Rodeos.[/b:c456078c68]

    Forklift safety

    Forklift safety is subject to a variety of standards world wide. The most important standard is the ANSI B56 – of which stewardship has now been passed from ANSI to the Industrial Truck Standards Development Foundation after multi-year negotiations. ITSDF is a non-profit organization whose only purpose is the promulgation and modernization of the B56 standard. The B56 standard is now a free download from the ITSDF website.

    Forklifts are rated for loads at a specified maximum weight and a specified forward centre of gravity. This information is located on a nameplate provided by the manufacturer, and loads must not exceed these specifications. In many jurisdictions it is illegal to remove or tamper with the nameplate, without the permission of the forklift manufacturer.

    An important aspect of forklift operation is that many have rear-wheel steering. While this increases maneuverability in tight cornering situations, it differs from a driver’s traditional experience with other wheeled vehicles as there is no caster action; it is unnecessary to apply steering force to maintain a constant rate of turn.

    Another critical characteristic of the forklift is its instability; the forklift and load must be considered a unit, with a continually varying centre of gravity with every movement of the load. A forklift must never negotiate a turn at speed with a raised load, where centrifugal and gravitational forces may combine to cause a disastrous tip-over accident. The Forklift will be designed with a load limit for the forks, which is decreased with fork elevation and undercutting of the load (i.e. load does not butt against the fork 'L'). A loading plate for loading reference is usually located on the forklift. A forklift must not be used as a personnel elevator without the fitting of specific safety equipment, such as a 'cherry picker' or 'cage'. In the U.S., additional safety considerations are detailed in the applicable OSHA]Health and Safety Executive [HSE rules, and lift truck operators must be trained and certified.]

  19. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    Ok I'm sorry. I'm just hungover. I still stand by my opinion though - take it to a linux forum.
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  21. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    Ok - that singstar thread is music orientated ok.......
    Oh dear...

    "This thread is music orientated as some people would use linux for recording and mixing purposes"

    Ok.. I'll leave now
  22. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    But I still stand by my opinion. Sorta.
  23. avatar Tele
    I can't think of one feature that I've found useful in Beryl.
  24. avatar thefatson
    [quote:6a036c893a]I want that user interface they use at the end of Jurassic Park to get the electricity back up and running again.[/quote:6a036c893a]

    Ting if you don't care for a discussion on this you don't have to slabber.
    I feel an operating system counts as equipment. The equipment board is easily slow enough to accomadate discussions on this sort of thing.
    This thread does not belong on a linux forum. On a linux forum you might get better answers but you would be talking to the converted.

    I would be much happier if dell would simply supply linux drivers with their hardware rather than an os.
  25. avatar tingtatingtingtingtating
    [quote:ed75967b36="thefatson"]the converted.[/quote:ed75967b36]

    You mean "the educated."