Hi guys, We have just released our new 4 track EP and would like some honest feedback on some of our songs. We currently have the four tracks available for you to listen to, ill post in the link below. (Bandcamp) Please let us know what you think, all opinions are welcome and appreciated.
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If Im going to be brutally honest, it suffers from being Northern Irish Metal.
Chugging start/stop riffs that don't really do much and dont really stick. There arent many chord progressions with most songs mainly being just chugging riffs which makes them blur together although that could be attributed to the mix which has the overly loud guitars and extremely loud drums.
Isolated would be the only track I would say that actually stood out and seemed different, however the drums were so loud it completely took away from the feel of the song. The pounding kick completely overpowered the softer sections.
Overall I'd say there could be some good things to come out of this, but theres so little variation between tracks its hard to tell them apart and nothing about them stuck with me after listening.
Sorry if it seems overly harsh, but the description on your facebook is "Melodic Metal" and there was nothing melodic about the music except there were some clean vocals at times which are overpowered by the overly loud drums and fuzzy guitars. On 'failure' what I think might be the chorus is completely lost because the vocals cant be heard at all and theres no change in dynamics or tone that would indicate its anything different.
Sorry guys, maybe somebody else might think more
I like the tracks, Comparing it to most metal that comes out of NI it blows it away. Odd time signatures in parts and the songs sound full. Ontop of that, there's different vocal styles in every song.
I just bought the EP to show you guys some support good luck!
I lean more towards Neil's view than bobikus'.
It's not a style of music I have listened to for a few years but I was struck by the rhythms. When Bobicus says it sound like all Norn Iron metal I can only assume that's because it has palm mutes. The drums are very loud at times, however, which can make the overall sound a bit disjointed.
Generalising a region's music is stupid. Anyone who keeps track of the metal scene here knows there is a range of thrash, doom, crust, sludge, crossover, H/C, industrial and classic style bands.
Ok, well maybe not Northern Ireland Metal, but definatly the Derry scene, Its overly saturated by this kind of music and playing.
...wait - Derry has its own style of metal? Whatever next....bit of the oul newry techno and some ballymena dub step?
Uhh yes, when many bands in one region play one style of metal sharing similar properties you can say its that kind of metal. For example, Gothemburg metal is melodic death metal but particular traits are carried through the gothemburg region.
What I was saying is that its a type of metal the majority of bands in the area play with many of the same characteristics. I'm not saying they invented it or its unique to the area, Im just saying that its the kind popular to the area that is over saturated
Thank you guys for taking the time to check us out and comment. Nice variety of honest stuff here, appreciate it really.
I agree with 'Strong Reaction' and 'BinaryOperator' though, was really confused on the concept of Northern Irish metal and that it had its own distinctive metal style. If there is any out there please let me know, but I doubt it.
'bobikus', I think your wrong to be honest, the fact that I am from Derry, I know there is only about 5/6 metal bands on the scene at the minute most with different styles. M.O.T.H is one of them, Dark/Death metal. A few others like 'Zia Regime' are progressive metal like mastodon. I really think it's unfair to say that all the bands from one region sound the same. Certainly if you enjoy listening to that style of music you wouldn't mind when a band releases good material.
Honestly I think that the whole hatred for mainstream is becoming too mainstream! Some sort of craving to do something whacky to stand out from the crowd is getting old. What happened to the days of Pantera and Metaliica, far too mainstream for the kids of today so Hey! Why don't we listen to john cage's 4:33! And when that becomes too mainstream lets listen to Ryoji Ikeda - Spectrum. Can you honestly see yourself going to sleep to this stuff in the future (maybe 4:33) or dancing in a club, headbanging at a gig. Music is becoming the modern day art, doesn't matter what you do, as long as it has some in depth story of how you did it and what it means. Don't get me wrong something intrigues me about this stuff but I think it has its place in this world. People are going to the extreme with their music today, its coming to the point where it's not even music anymore but mere pitch alterations. In my opinion because music and technology go hand in hand, there is only so much you can do until the next break through happens.
Anyway would love to know who you guys think we sound like (in terms of bands etc), will be interesting to see if they match with what we were influenced by.
All the recording, mixing and mastering was done by ourselves, we wanted a deep, hard hitting sound that punches you right in the face. Hence the louder than average bass and drums. I do agree on the drums being overpowered though, It will definitely be something worth thinking about for the future releases.
Also if any of you guys have any cool promotional ideas, fire them my way, want to get the ball rolling without pestering everyone I know.
Thanks again folks
I like it.
I think the tracks are good, i wpuld question the mixing tho. I do believe the drims and guitars are too overpowering volume wise in parts. But its a good starting point
Hmm. Dem's some nice changes you've got there. A little refinement, a good recording and you'll have something real purdy.
[quote:263c8b3cc8]Odd time signatures in parts[/quote:263c8b3cc8]
Allsorted tweaking of common time in parts, yes. Use of specific odd meters in full songs or sections, no.
Anyhows, welcome to Fastfude!
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Who gets first slice, Rog?
bobikus tells all the lies.
Hang on te i pop out some Eglinton blues and sing y'all a song about how many lies he's telling.
I'm not gonna. But ProXist definitely aren't what I'd consider typical Derry metal or typical metal at all.
Well first of, it was my opinion, and I never said it was bad, I think the worst thing I said was that nothing really stood out and how I didn't really get how its melodic metal as its not melodic. I even said other people would probably like it more than me.
The bands that came to mind were ones like hybris and in terms of playing, making monsters, and to an extent, zia regieme, (the latter mainly from vocal style and tone) which I know happens because of so much cross over of members, their influences obviously carry over and on a music scene on such a local level, it is much more noticable than on a wider scale. Again, its not necessarily bad, I am not a fan of that style in general, but you asked for feedback, and I gave my views.
Also, I dont really get what dislike of the mainstream has to do with anything. I rather like alot of mainstream bands.
As for influences, I would say Fear Factory, and on certain sections stone sour/slipknot
Also, an example of a Derry band that really stands out from the crowd in terms of metal is Sandstone, who really should get much more local support than they do
I thought it was pretty decent for a first EP. I generally don't like the clean vocals that would tend to be in this type of music but in this case they don't sound as whiney or irritating, so nice work on that.
Some of the odd time signatures were just jarring and sounded like they were put in for the sake of making it complex. Personally I think if you're going to use odd timings you still need to be able to make it groove.
I'm hearing Pantera influences, right?
Finally.. I would advise you to go to a studio next time. This music really needs to sound polished and you're only going to get that in a good studio with a good engineer. It's worth it.
Edit Additional: You might want to post this on www.metalireland.com too. You might get torn to pieces but there might be some advice/potential fans there too.
Had a listen there. Now I like my metalesque music......Burzum, Agalloch, Slayer, Darkthrone, Primordial, Tool, At The Gates, to name a few....as well as lots of other type of music...
I found the EP a bit average and kind of understand where bobikus is coming from. However, it's experimental metal, something I don't listen to alot. I was sucked into another world from time to time, though, and that can only be a good thing. Really liked the idea of the mechanical glitchy drum sample programming, in keeping with the EP's theme....
The kickdrum tone and volume was very off-putting (loud, clicky, I generally don't like obviously sampled drums, but i guess that's what you're going for?)....most of the vocals were very "pitchy" or "out of tune" - sometimes with singers I don't mind this but when every syllable has that American influence aswell....it got too much....I didn't enjoy the vocal style I suppose.
The bass tone in the first track is distinct (the slides and stuff). Fun rhythms in the drumming. Clean vocals are very reverby and quiet (by design?). Not gonna come back to it...
Second track reminds me of that local band "Droids" except heavier. They have a song called "recognize" which has a similar chorus type thing. Sort of an introspective ballad type thing....some of the vocals put me off, in terms of delivery and tuning. Some of the drum parts are a bit much, too many snare fills for me. But i liked the atmosphere of the song...
Enjoyed the third track the most despite the fact that it's not a style I like too much. I think the vocals worked well on it and it tied itself together as a song as opposed to "this riff, then this riff, then this riff but wait take a beat out of that bar now its cool". Best "song" on the EP.
Fourth track was probably the most experimental. Couldn't take the vocalist seriously "I will drown this world in pain". Oh aye? By playing fifa 13 or Call of Duty on your xbox and drinking carlsberg? (ok im making unfair assumptions and being flippant for my own amusement but that's how i felt when i heard that line). Cool structural variety.
Keep working away though, I'm only one person with one response......and the music is experimental and certainly not overly accessible. I was impressed by the distinct lack of typical guitar solos.
As for the derry "metal scene"....I've been to a few gigs but generally come away unsurprised. Moth's stage garb is entertaining. Andy from Libido Switch is an interesting guy whom genuinely frightens me a little, which is a good thing. Acari are pretty intense....same with balls deep. Zia Regime....not my thing but nice guys. Dunno. It's all a bit of fun sure.
Keep er lit...
thanks guys for the very honest comments. I produced most of the songs and mixed it so believe me I won't take criticism very well since i put a ton of work into this EP.
However, it is what we asked for and I can only take into consideration what everyone is saying.
[quote:3a655698e2]The kickdrum tone and volume was very off-putting (loud, clicky, I generally don't like obviously sampled drums, but i guess that's what you're going for?)[/quote:3a655698e2] my inspiration for the overly loud kick comes from Nickelback's drum sound which you could also say is too loud, but I love it. Also it's sort of an industrial-technology sound we're going for so I can see not everyone liking this particular sound(not nickelback, us)
[quote:3a655698e2]"I will drown this world in pain"[/quote:3a655698e2] ok you did say you sounded a bit... unfair with this assumption, and yes you are way off. The termination is not about killing people, it's about killing yourself and ending your life. And i hate football btw.
[quote:3a655698e2]The bands that came to mind were ones like hybris and in terms of playing, making monsters, and to an extent, zia regieme, (the latter mainly from vocal style and tone) which I know happens because of so much cross over of members, their influences obviously carry over and on a music scene on such a local level, it is much more noticable than on a wider scale. Again, its not necessarily bad, I am not a fan of that style in general, but you asked for feedback, and I gave my views.[/quote:3a655698e2] we all come from two previous derry bands, 'death warrant' and 'hybris' so i guess it's a good thing we sound similar. Every band you mentioned we are all good friends with. However I wouldnt say we all sound the same.
[quote:3a655698e2]I think the tracks are good, i wpuld question the mixing tho. I do believe the drims and guitars are too overpowering volume wise in parts. But its a good starting point[/quote:3a655698e2] yeah i think we did pretty well for not having any expensive equipment. Only one sound card with two input channels so you can guess how hard than can be to produce something that sounds good.
[quote:3a655698e2]. There arent many chord progressions with most songs mainly being just chugging riffs which makes them blur together although that could be attributed to the mix which has the overly loud guitars and extremely loud drums. [/quote:3a655698e2] fair enough. I never have written a song without any good chord structure or progression, but it's your own opinion.
overall cheers guys, i'm not gonna argue with anyone. The EP is free over at http://proxist.bandcamp.com/ so it's available for high-quality download.
I'm reminded for some unknown reason of Grace Jones' 'Slave To The Rhythm'
Great feedback folks. Thanks for spending your time with us.
Just a reminder, we have now set our songs for free download and set up a twitter for all you that's into that kind of thing. If you like us please consider checking them out. Ill post the links to everything below.
Cheers and beers fellas!
One final question: how do you pronounce "ProXist"? To me, it looks like it should sound like "prox-zist". Is that it?
That's it lad, got it first try! Kudos!
The usual response from people when we tell them the name is, 'Boxes??' or 'Prostitutes??'
That's it lad, got it first try! Kudos!
The usual response from people when we tell them the name is, 'Boxes??' or 'Prostitutes??'
Well personally I loved the EP, got some catchy riffs and lyrics that are fun to sing along to, the louder drums are really cool too, something you don't hear often in bands so it doesn't hurt to have a variety. Also am I the only one who picked up on the Down influence especially in Grave Digger?
Keep her lit!
[quote:00335f2e69]Well personally I loved the EP, got some catchy riffs and lyrics that are fun to sing along to, the louder drums are really cool too, something you don't hear often in bands so it doesn't hurt to have a variety. Also am I the only one who picked up on the Down influence especially in Grave Digger? [/quote:00335f2e69]
Wey Hey. Cheers Conzilla. Yes i'd be pretty shocked if you didnt hear the Down influence since our guitarist and singer LOVE down.
I realize the drums may not be everyone's cup of tea, but i'm glad you enjoyed the sound I crafted for them. Took me years to get a good sound.
True metal fan!
Hey guys just an update here.
A while back we started to ask around different forums etc like this one to get some sort of feedback on our 'System Failure' ep and a lot of you said the drum sound was a bit too loud.
We went back to the studio a few weeks back and re-recorded all of the tracks with a new sound.
For anyone that hasn't heard it yet please head over to our Bandcamp page and have a listen. Would really appreciate some feedback and comparisons on what you think of the re master now compared to the old one etc.
Cheers and beers.
I have to agree with some of the comments.
Its not nice to have your "production skills" criticized, but then that`s how we all learn.
I have a lot of respect for anyone or any band doing things DIY as studio time is expensive and beyond the means of many bands, especially if a bunch of young lads.
The drums are still far far too loud (IMHO), so loud that I can hear digital distortion all over the recordings.
That frankly distracts from the music.
I`m not a fan of the vocals overall, its the one thing that lets many metal bands here down TBH (and i have seen a few over the years)
Lots of good ideas, but I`ll be honest and say if you are going to go down the DIY route you would be better recording your drums properly acoustically (yes , it needs mics, and and interface with multiple ins, to do it, but beg borrow or steal for a couple of weeks and get the drums right)
Adding guitars and even vocals is obviously easier to do at home, but if you have good material, its worth the effort to get it right.
So, all in all, good first effort - some interesting riffage.
Vocals and drums are the let down but overall not the worst metal band I have heard here.
PS, take the criticism as a positive , at least people took the time to listen and respond, all too often they dont even bother