1. avatar iain
    Remember ripoffs like http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=34977 and http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=21816

    Well, it seems our own dear Bruised Fruit have got in on the action too...for only 150quid they'll put your track on a CD that they'll personally give out to "people" at SxSW. BARGAIN!

    Not only are they being paid by the Belfast rates payers to go to SxSW to get access to "people" presumably to promote Belfast music, they are trying to charge bands for this access as well. They're looking at either 2250 or 4500 quid.

    Its a ripoff when its people we don't know, its an insulting ripoff when its people we do know, and of course, the bands that are managed by Bruised Fruit will not get preferential treatment in this process at all...

    [quote:80f485ed85]Bruised Fruit SXSW Promotional CD Info

    SXSW is the meeting place for the worlds music industry. Its the perfect place to network, share music, build relationships and do deals.

    But not everyone can afford to make the trip which costs $1000s.

    This is where Bruised Fruit steps in to help! Thanks to the support of Belfast City Council, Bruised Fruit are able to attend SXSW in 2011 and we want to try and support as many bands/arists from Northern Ireland to be represented.

    As a result we are putting together a promotional CD which will be given away to SXSW delegates throughout the festival.

    For a fee of 150 artists/bands can be represented on the CD and take advantage of this amazing promotional opportunity.

    In previous years Bruised Fruit have met people from all over the world including:

    Island Records
    Atlantic Records
    Bar None Records
    Exploding Chicken Records
    Downtown Records
    Pop Detective Records
    Chicken Ranch Records
    Echo Mountain Records
    Relapse Records
    Baby Boom Records
    Monofonus Press
    Kim Fowley
    Planetary Group
    The Local
    Hungry Audio
    Reeperbahn Festival
    Catalan Arts
    Canadian Music Week
    Incredible Management
    Plan C Management
    Q Prime Management
    Minty Highway
    Boosey & Hawkes
    Warner Chappell Music
    Head Room
    4Ohm Management
    Tracks And Fields
    A&R Worldwide
    Sonicbids
    Cyber PR
    Creativeman
    Disk Union
    Fontana Distribution
    Filter
    Music Week

    And hundreds more!!!

    Each CD will be given out personally to new and existing contacts throughout the festival - NOT left in peoples inboxes to be forgotten about. Bruised Fruit will be able to represent and talk about each artist listed on the CD as well as provide contacts for follow up. A list of interested parties will then be distributed to each individual artist/band after the festival so you can make your own personal connection.


    Each artist/band will be required to submit ONE track along with band/management contact details, a one line description of the style of music and a short (50 word) blurb about the band/track. It would also be useful if you could let us know what kind of people you are most interested in hearing your music - labels, management, publishers, agents, pluggers, radio, press, producers........

    Full colour, high quality CDs will be produced with a 4 page booklet profiling each track.

    We are currently only holding spaces for 15 tracks, but should demand increase we can produce a 2 CD digipack with up to 30 artists.
    [/quote:80f485ed85]
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  2. avatar T Entertainment
    [img:adf14218a0]http://www.englishtap.com/etlw/images/story/jack/jack02.jpg[/img:adf14218a0]
  3. avatar T Entertainment
    Been a long time since I had the pleasure, how much is CD duplication and four page booklet printing these days?
  4. avatar tinpot anto
    Sharp increase this year I heard, from ~£500 for 1000, to more like £550!

    This is a terrible shame really.

    Looking forward to the explanation from Bruised Fruit.

    A nice game of Scammy Promoter Bingo would pass the time well until Question Time starts.

    Highlights I expect to include:-

    - "We're doing you a favour"
    - "We're not making any money on this, you know"
    - "We're actually making a loss on this, we only do it to help the bands"
    - "Famous Producer/Label Boss X" will hear this"
    - "it's a real opportunity and all you people can do it gripe"
    - "RELENTLESS NEGATIVITY!"
    - "Jealous of hard working bands who put their money where their mouth is"
    - Last year *BAND YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF* was signed as a result to *LABEL YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF* and released *SONG YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF* which was featured on *TV PROGRAMME YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF*

    Bring on the shite...

    Also do BCC know their funding is being used to shill this sort of shite?
  5. avatar Fuzz89
    [img:81d411cabc]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__HDuLFUg18A/SZRDoQmEwmI/AAAAAAAAA08/cxhElKXFLTc/s400/hill_o_beans.jpg[/img:81d411cabc]
  6. avatar tinpot anto
    Iain you completely neglected this masterpiece thread!

    http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=21583

    featuring the incredible
    [quote:ca52f4d24e]
    To Whom It May Concern,
    It has come to my attention someone has posted on this forum spurious remarks without foundation. I am licensed by the Office of Fair Trading and I take it very seriously when false allegations are made, especially on the internet where it is difficult to track down slanderers. Any cause for just complaint should be made to me at the address on our website. Yours sincerely, Allan Robinson [Proprietor][/quote:ca52f4d24e]
  7. avatar T Entertainment
    Anto, or should that be HATEANTO?
    Bands who get signed almost ALWAYS do so because of compilation CDs (with up to 30 artists sourced only by geographical area and their ability to pay a wodge of cash) handed out unsolicited at mass industry get-togethers 5000 miles away. There is literally nothing else that people who actually do work in he music industry like to do more than sit down and listen to every single track searching for the next big thing. And finding it.
    That's exactly how it works!
    There is literally no more valuable way for a struggling artist to spend £150.
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  8. avatar tinpot anto
    Iain, where'd you get this from anyway?
  9. avatar iain
    [quote:c036778cc5]Iain you completely neglected this masterpiece thread!

    http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=21583[/quote:c036778cc5]

    I knew there was another somewhere, but "site:fastfude CD scam" didn't bring it up.
  10. avatar S.D.B
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0FBi5Rv1ho
  11. avatar iain
    [quote:4c21287406]Iain, where'd you get this from anyway?[/quote:4c21287406]

    In an email...
  12. avatar tinpot anto
    Just no sign of it on their website or anything - is it from Sonic Bids or something?
  13. avatar iain
    it just arrived in my inbox...
  14. avatar tinpot anto
    that's a inexplicably coy response.
  15. avatar xsheriffx
    I know the guy who helped create SxSW, we're currently working on a promotional video for Northern Ireland for SxSW in uni. I'll check this out with him.
  16. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Sad. Really sad. There was a time when bruised fruit actually seemed to care.
  17. avatar Strong Reaction
    hmmmmmm.

    that is all.
  18. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Twice, no need internets, no need.
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  19. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    It's entirely possible that I will come back later today with wider thoughts but this evening, after a skinfull of beer and chat with folk I trust and love who are involved with music I love, I truly hope that this is some kind of cruel joke designed to play on kids in bands who are so desprate to make it that they would be stupid enough to do this...

    Have we learned nothing?

    Has tinagate not shown us the futility of this shit?

    And if this is true, and I hope it isn't, then why in the name of fuck is my rates contribution going toward this self congratulatatory masturbation???

    For the love of God people can we knock this shit on the head?
  20. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    Tina Calder working at Bruised Fruit now???....disgraceful...
  21. avatar tinpot anto
    Still no reply from Bruised Fruit on this. By all accounts it looks to be genuine.

    The organisation has gone massively down in my estimation as a result. A real shame.
  22. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    I have recorded myself farting in time to Rene and Renato's Save Your Love, it truly is a thing of beauty.

    If I pay 150 will this go on the CD?

    Is there still room?
  23. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    Pass it on to one of my 'volunteers', i'll see you right *puffs large cigar*
  24. avatar ohmessylife
    [img]http://cbr250.com/forum/uploads/avatars/avatar_76.gif?dateline=1288242574[/img]
  25. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    <a href="http://photobucket.com/images/loadsamoney" target="_blank"><img src="http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae244/spindle1976/loadsamoney.jpg" border="0" alt="loadsamoney Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>
  26. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    Next thing, she'll be involved in one of those dopey fashion souk melarkeys where you have to pay in to a building to go shopping..like charging people to go into Castle Court ffs...but nah, it may not come to that...no-one is that money-grubbing..
  27. avatar LolaDivine
    there was also this one recently,

    http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=46470

    Last year Belfast City Council made their own compilation CD for SxSW I have it somewhere in the house. As far as I'm aware the bands didnt pay to get on it, or at least the guy I was speaking to about what the BCC do in SxSW didnt mention a fee. They offered everything Bruised Fruit are offering for bands on the CD. Maybe one of the bands on it could enlighten us as to whether they paid to get included... must dig it out later see who they were.
  28. avatar JTM
    I don't technically work for Bruised Fruit any more so all of this is my own personal view - if you don't want to pay for a service, one that I won't even try and justify, don't bother. But don't go complaining about something until you've tried it.

    I personally wouldn't pay £150 to be on a compilation CD either, and I'd not recommend a band take this deal unless they were
    a) demonstrably shit hot
    b) has £150 to blow
    c) No, seriously, DEMONSTRABLY shit hot.

    If you want to go to South By Southwest, it's about $3000 for a US working visa, plus about £1500 for flights, accommodation and expenses. Or pay £150 and get your music out there the easy way. Or realise that no, you don't need to do that at all, don't pay the £150, stay in Belfast and [url=http://www.youaremusic.co.uk/gigs/8/belfast-mandela-hall]self-congratulatory masturbate yourself[/url], then get your music out there the honest hard-working DIY way. The end result will be the same in most cases.

    No-one is forcing you at gunpoint to accept a deal you don't think is good value. God help me for praising Fastfude musicians but you genuinely are smart people who know when a deal is questionable and should be challenged. That said, I 'd hope you'd address your concerns directly to the management - the address is on the website. If you really gave a damn about this I expect you to all e-mail BF today and ask for a justification of this cost. Quit taking the cheap way out by bitching about it on an internet forum.

    Now let's all dry our eyes, wind our necks in, catch ourselves on, etc.
  29. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    BCC put together a three-disc CD..for free...FREE...and I would believe their claim that they have contacts with a variety of labels, rather than some shyster who once stood in the same room as someone, necking free cocktails....
  30. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Lola, there was no charge for the City Council CD last year, it was well put together, well packaged and produced. I've spoken to quite a few people who are going out, they are bringing compilations they have compiled or that have been compiled by like minded souls, it is music they love, its music they want to promote, they are compilations that will be put together with thought and care for what they sound like.

    How they hell can you represent a 'client' if anyone can pay for inclusion, you can't possibly know anything about the people on the CD you're most likely compiling at the office if all they had to do was grease your palm with some cash... If I send in the (quite wonderful) Rene and Renata track with my £150 I'm guessing it automatically gets on the CD, where is the care, where is the quality control, how can you possibly give a shit about its contents when this is the game plan?

    It is actually depressing to think about what these industry 'people' will think of what will be on this CD, that is if they ever actually listen to the bloody thing, it'll end up in a cheap motel waste paper basket and used as a coaster by the cleaner after they find it.
  31. avatar T Entertainment
    For someone not justifying this, or defending it, and who doesn't work for the company, you're being pretty damn defensive about it being discussed out in the open...
  32. avatar JTM
    Yes I am.
  33. avatar Chi-Lite
    To be fair, people from Bruised Fruit use this forum. You used to be one of them. I don't see anything unreasonable with getting it out on the open. I'd be fairly sure someone from Bruised fruit will be along soon to give their side of the story.

    I don't take any of these things personally, people try all sorts of schemes over here. Maybe it really will be worth it to pay the money - no doubt somebody will try it and find out. For those people who might try, I don't see that it's such a bad thing for it to be discussed here out in the open.

    i don't think its neccessarily a scam. Bruised Fruit DO have a lot of contacts with people right nuff. There may well be some people who will take a cd from bruised fruit and give it a good listen. But...I think bruised fruit also manage bands, is that right? Will the bands on bruised fruit's management roster be included on the CD? Will they have paid to be on it? Or will the same people who receive a compilation full of bands that have paid to be on it be simultaneously handed a four-track EP of one of bruised fruit's [i:28e7abe721]own[/i:28e7abe721] bands?

    This is a serious question - I'm not automatically ripping into it here, but I wouldn't like the idea of bands paying to be put on a wee compilation when you then hand the same people another few cds, perhaps with the words "now here's the bands that we really like. We've gave you that other cd because those bands paid us money to do it - here's the stuff we're actually committed to".

    Anyway, no doubt someone from bruised fruit will be along, I hope you can answer my questions there.
    Cheers.
  34. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    HOW DARE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT STUFF OUT IN THE OPEN!!!
  35. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    [img:85ed7da9e9]http://ny-image1.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.89394421.jpg[/img:85ed7da9e9]
  36. avatar JTM
    First up, Lloyd, what has the fashion souk got to do with this discussion, eh ;-)

    I doubt anyone from Bruised Fruit who can give you an answer will be wasting their time on Fastfude to be honest, and if we're being open, we're talking about Jen here. If I'm being defensive, then yes, you're maybe aware she's my cousin so a bit of family loyalty is the reason I'm trying to stick up for her, mea culpa folks. However, her business decisions are nothing to do with me and any opinion expressed is my own - I saw her last night and if she'd mentioned this to me I'd probably have taken her up about this supposed quote as well!

    I've given my own personal opinion here on what iain has posted. I've disagreed with her business strategy and decisions in the past, but I always tried to support what she was doing regardless, out of family unity and a desire to see someone actually make a living and help musicians at the same time.

    It's going to be difficult for me to stay neutral in this so I'll butt out for now. I'm not going to comment any further on this, just to say Phil's pic is the best thing I've seen today.

    Lastly, I still want you to e-mail Bruised Fruit and politely put your concerns to them, not whinge on this forum. ironic as that's what I'm now doing. Eyes, necks, etc....
  37. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    Shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes...
  38. avatar JTM
    This is more like the Fastfude I know and love...

    Eyes ears mouth nose.
  39. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    see, the reason why i bring up fashion souk, is Bruised Fruits involvement...a venture that not only charges stall holders to sell their wares, but also charges people to come into the building to peruse and perhaps purchase said wares..charging people to shop...not at all like charging people to give you a track that one would bring to SXSW, when one is actually being funded to go to said SXSW...Nice jacket, emperor..
  40. avatar JTM
    FYI the Fashion Souk is a separate entity from Bruised Fruit.

    EDIT: OK, OK BF has been promoting them but it's still a separate entity.

    EDIT EDIT: FFS I thought I was going to stay out of this...
  41. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Okay, serious questions.

    How much (of our money) is the Council giving to BF for this endeavour?
    Are BF engaging with other promoters / producers to save costs and if not why not?
    (Everyone in receipt of public funds is being asked to share costs/cutback, this should be the same)

    Is the grant enough to cover Visa, travel and accommodation or are BF supposed to be adding to the sum?
    Is there any funding towards promotional material for the trip? (hard to believe there wouldn't be)
    What is the deal with the Council on what BF would produce as a result of the investment?
    What exactly will the £150 cover if the funding is deemed appropriate to cover the trip and marketing?

    What, if any, quality control will be used on producing the CD?
    - Who decides what gets on the CD?
    - Is it a case of who jumps (and pays) first?
    - Will bands be turned away if they aren't up to scratch?
    - Is the CD being professionally produced or burned at the office?
    - Will the bands on BF's roster be included on the CD? (c/o Chi-Lite)
    - Will they have paid to be on it? (c/o Chi-Lite)

    How many meetings have been set up with label people?
    Who are these meetings with and what is the hope in terms of outcomes?

    And lastly, what has BF achieved in the previous (funded) trips to SxSW for 'clients'?

    All reasonable questions, even if they are in an open forum.

    (EDIT to add two of Chi-Lites questions)
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  42. avatar tinpot anto
    John, it looks like you've been landed in a very awkward situation here, but there really is no valid excuse for this {wonderful opportunity}.

    The £150 outlay has absolutely no connection to the costs of BF, or to the actual service being offered. BF will have acts on their own roster to plug long before any fool mad enough to stump up for this "opportunity", and the fact that it's being publicly funded is doubly sickening.

    This is in no conceivable way an enterprise which has been set up to "help musicians" [snip] - anyone "SHIT HOT", as you put it will run a fucking country mile from this.

    It really sickens me.

    I would have always advised any band with an opportunity to work with BF in the past to jump at the chance. After this I would have to say give it a {jump at the chance quicker}.

    I really am genuinely sickened and disappointed by this.
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  43. avatar tinpot anto
    And furthermore, as regards emailing BF in private, that's totally pointless.

    This [snip] relies upon the inexperience and naivete of young, eager bands to make its money. The only solution is EDUCATION.

    Hold it up to the light like the shitrag it is and say clearly [b:2827b9cb86]"KIDS! SEE THIS? THIS IS WHAT A RAG COVERED IN SHIT LOOKS LIKE! DON'T BLOW YOUR NOSE WITH IT"[/b:2827b9cb86]
  44. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    I want a stall at the souk...
    I want to sell these lovely shirts.

    [img:520f0df0f7]http://ihearditonatshirt.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/fuck-you-pay-me-shirt.jpg[/img:520f0df0f7]
  45. avatar JTM
    I only say e-mailing BF will work as Jen doesn't use Fastfude all that much any more.

    Bruised Fruit's nature as a company has changed. I think I hinted at it in an earlier post, and if you read the new website you'll hopefully read into what it says there. There's a spin-off company being formed which will do the stuff BF traditionally did (not-for-profit grass roots band help/gigs/etc) which I may or may not be part of, but well, now...

    Phil, those are good questions. Please do put them across.

    Anto, yes, it is awkward, you make correct arguments as always. My definition and yours of shit hot may differ but I totally agree with your point(s).
  46. avatar Strong Reaction
    This is a discussion forum.

    Hence we are discussing this.
  47. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    John, I have put the questions across, here.

    Maybe Jen should just pop along and answer them as a fair number of the local music community do use this forum and do check in regularly, it shows a little contempt not to bother if this debate is underway and her name and that of BF is being dragged through the mud.

    Surely it would be easier to come online and answer questions here than having to respond to individual emails. It would be a hell of a lot more transparent and would answer those questions that people won't put in an email on the basis that they think this is a scam...?

    I dunno, that's just me.
  48. avatar Daveitferris
    http://bruisedfruit.com/
    What a weird site. (NSFW.. kinda)
  49. avatar Chi-Lite
    If you really don't want us discussing it here I think the fairest thing to do would be to send us all an email outlining your problems with it.


    ;)
  50. avatar pauldoherty
    It's funny JTM, whoever you are, you give out snidey wee remarks I've noticed about any amateur busineses that try to advertise on here and yet when you are involved with one that is blatantly ripping the balls out of young naive bands you get defensive.....it's actually funny to watch.

    Seriously BF, it may seem above you but you should really come on here and explain this...it is a bit of a joke.
  51. avatar JTM
    Phil, you're right, I guess this might be the best place to resolve this. Whether she's even aware of this whole debate is another matter, as I said, Fastfude is not something she uses very often, if at all. Hence why I suggested e-mail. Thereafter, this has nothing to do with me....

    EDIT: Paul, I've outlined the reasons for being defensive in my posts above.
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  52. avatar Chi-Lite
    Haha, famous last words. You'll hardly let the above lie like. :D

    Sorry to seem so gleeful, but i just love an oul internet bust up, especially on friday afternoon.
  53. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Lets be honest John, Jen has read and is reading this.

    I had man flu a couple of weeks ago and was told to man up. Simple as.

    This is clearly the best place to answer the questions, they are already out there.
    I for one would worry about the impact this debate will have on newbies and lurkers who are keen to get their work out, its been a bit trolly in places, and that includes some of my posts, but there are genuine concerns that should be addressed in this forum.

    Not doing so shows contempt for your potential clients.
  54. avatar JTM
    Chi - you're right. I could have left this particular can of worms well alone :-)

    Phil - I guess we'll see. This thread has been pretty constructive and lucid compared to the TinaGate one, which is a good thing.
  55. avatar Chi-Lite
    Come on, somebody dig somebody. online.
  56. avatar bigO
    OR .... You can just keep quiet and hope it just goes away.

    Sure they are a business and businesses are (Mostly) about making money, but off the back of BCC funding and with probably a million and one others things planned to do over there, I dont hold much hope of this being in ANY way a good investment. It does smell a little.

    I wish someone from BF would just come on here and set the record straight ... but to use one of my favorite lines EVER (from bad santa) "Why dont you wish into one hand and shit into the other and see which one fills up first".

    Ignorance is the preference from what it seems
  57. avatar flightstrip
    I honestly dont give a flying fuck about this.businesses try to make money.its up to the individual to judge for themselves whether its a good deal or a rip off.iains up to his oul shit stirring methinks.just saying.rates are wasted on a million fucking obscure things way worse than this.
  58. avatar tinpot anto
    Balleks flightstrip.

    It's a {wonderful opportunity} that young bands are going to get taken in by.
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  59. avatar flightstrip
    dont assume because someones young that theyre too stupid to spot a rip off!
    my 6 year old can think for himself ffs!!
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  60. avatar tinpot anto
    Stupid bands then?

    Either way, it's not on.
  61. avatar flightstrip
    Arise Sir Anto,Defender of the stupid!lol
    The survival of the fittest theory suggests that you leave the stupid to it.Let them learn by their own mistakes I say.This is why I let my 6 year old do the ironing whilst in the bath....I mean,when will he ever learn?*




    *(Please dont call social services.I dont really let my son iron in the bath.I leave that to his older sister.Sure its a mans world!)
  62. avatar Chi-Lite
    Like Paul Nicholas in Tommy

    [img:4fa45f1342]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zc-jhjbFgXo/0.jpg[/img:4fa45f1342]
  63. avatar EWCraig
    [b:9d38323dc3]Exit Wound like this argument![/b:9d38323dc3]

    [img:9d38323dc3]http://www.famemagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/exitwound1.jpg[/img:9d38323dc3]

    http://exitwound.bandcamp.com
  64. avatar Chi-Lite
    I bet you yous like going "RAAAWWWKKK!" too.
  65. avatar Strong Reaction
    I bet they're better than you.
  66. avatar flightstrip
    Yay! is this now a 'Battle of the Bands?'......dare I say .. . stupid bands?
  67. avatar Chi-Lite
    No way are the rawkers better than me. The hip-dogs, maybe, but not the rawkers
  68. avatar Daveitferris
    If i were roger, i'd block the use of picture embedding in posts. They've all been done to absolute death!
  69. avatar goatboy
    [img:00397ca301]http://sharetv.org/images/cash_in_the_attic_uk-show.jpg[/img:00397ca301]
  70. avatar Strong Reaction
    Battle Of The Bone/Bulge.

    Personally, this doesn't bother me. It does suck that a company who is supposed to help local acts does that, but after taking part in some Bruised Fruit events before I'm not entirely surprised. If a band is stupid enough to go for a deal like this, then they deserve what they get as it will make them realise the pitfalls of the 'industry'.

    That's my piece.

    Have at y'all.
  71. avatar EWRyan
    Shameless advertising, that's ma Craig!

    (also, we prefer a good "ROOOOOOOOOOO!", over a "RAWWWWWWWWWK!" anyday).
  72. avatar Dottie
    My first post!
    Shame on you guys - Bruised fruit is a social enterprise, any profit made goes back into making the norn music industry better. And Jennie who runs it actually gets your music on major american television shows, movies - that woman knows everybody, probably why BCC have supported her in this venture - she has up to know paid for all her own trips out there this past few years to make all those contacts she is going to meet again this year! £150 well spent, £150 absolute bargain more like. anyone can put you on a CD, but with Jen you get it to the right people and I can tell you, the people that count take this girl VERY seriously.

    By the way i dont work and never have done for bruised fruit, I do know Jen tho and I know of her work and her successes, and she'll probably kill me for writing this - the girl is far too humble . And Jen you owe nothing to this people to give them an answer!

    Reading posts like the ones above, I do do sometimes wonder why people like Jen bother to make a positive difference in this world???? :-(
  73. avatar iain
    ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
  74. avatar Pavel
    ...right, seriously - one post, joined today.

    People are genuinely not that stupid.
  75. avatar Pavel
    Oh, 'and kill you for writing this' - who are you exactly, Miss Ann O. Nymity? I think I know her.
  76. avatar salfhal
    [img:2af0a6fded]http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7527/15693546462385632360990.jpg[/img:2af0a6fded][img:2af0a6fded]http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2940/url37063043708208.jpg[/img:2af0a6fded][img:2af0a6fded]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2784/url36545843658875.jpg[/img:2af0a6fded]
  77. avatar themixedtape
    My first post!
    Dottie just said do do LOL
  78. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    Dottle..ask John Shelley and the Creatures about Jens selfless approach to music promotion...K?...K...and her humility?...hahaahahahaaa..mussolinian..
  79. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    and can i ask..Jennie has been in the game quite a while...how many of the people who, to quote Dottie, take her VERY seriously, have actually signed anybody she has been 'promoting'?...all those impressive contacts she lists, surely she is making headway there, I mean, its not as if its a bunch of bullshit or anything...
  80. avatar S.D.B
    150 could get you half an hour bondage session with the duke himself;}..just saying:O
  81. avatar rawksheep
    Duke special??
  82. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Oh dear lord.

    Ya see, it was at about this point during Tinagate that people came out and called it for what it was, lets say the newbie, in this case Dottie, was out and out called Tina, in this case lets say Jen. So lets dispense with the crap.

    All good so far?

    The fact that this has rumbled on for over 24 hours without some 'official' comment is, quite frankly, pathetic. JTM tried his best to defend his cousin, and we'd all do the same, but even he couldn't say there was any merit to this.

    BF have shown nothing but contempt for the people who have asked ver reasonable questions. The fact is that anyone who considers this needs their head examined and anyone on this board has the god given right to call the council, bypassing BF entirely, in order to ask what the craic is with this venture.

    When it gets into made up name territory, well, it makes the argument utterly pointless and makes the poster, and BF look utterly stupid.

    Now, can someone around here grow a set?
  83. avatar iain
    I was going to be all coy, but fuck it, its a public facebook page so I'm posting it here as it shows nothing but contempt:

    [img:7e7b294f0f]http://i.imgur.com/hlkxx.png[/img:7e7b294f0f]

    Two things:
    a) I'm think its pretty obvious who our new friend Dottie is, and is not Jennie.
    b) John, the people here have put a lot of "meat on the table" for bruised fruit over the years, both as gig goers and as performers. The phrase "so fuck em" might want to be rethought.

    This is the link, although I expect the page to be made private pretty soon: http://www.facebook.com/jenmccullough/posts/144636828929491
  84. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Is there a like button on fastfude?

    And while we're at it this is what I meant by contempt.

    DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY.

    I think that is as clear as I can be.
  85. avatar spirit of division
    I thought Dottie was taking the piss.

    I know people need to make money in order to pay rent, etc...but no one should be stupid enough to hand over £150 for a contact cd filled with another 14 / 29 unknown artists. If the thing even gets played do you think the person listening will get past the first few tracks? If you do pay at least pay to be the first one on the thing! How many of these cds will be produced and how many different labels / promoters / etc will be handing out their own? I reckon most will end up left in bars, broken, taken purely for their case.

    If there is a good reason for the price then I would like to hear it.

    I know people who worked extremely hard for local music and did it for free. When people get funding to do things in support of local music it urks the hell out of me when it looks like the money is poorly spent and that the individual in question is making more of themselves than anything from NI.

    Without FF would bruised fruit have gotten off the ground?
  86. avatar flightstrip
    Iain awakens this mild saturday morning,reaches for his pink feathered quill,licks the nib and dips it in his pot of blood gathered from the eight menstruating virgins he keeps locked in his wine cellar....he begins to write...

    'Dear diary,my plans to wipe out every female businesswoman that has spurned my advances are well under way.When I lay my 'meat on the table'I am laying my soul out there.Tina took a cleaver to my meat then Jen but I got them back,oh yes, I got them back.Next I shall turn my attentions to Anto.If he rejects me I will fucking ruin him,,ruin him I will.Why does nobody understand me?All I want is to be loved like my hero My-Angel-Rocks.I love him.Mother is calling and I have to clean the shower in room 3b.This will continue,I will NOT be spurned again'
    [img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHxQ3kBGp-l21MxGntlf3TWNi5rHuKDZ12YgUHlyJNfqzbKOUqww[/img]
  87. avatar tinpot anto
    Flightstrip, it's Valentines Day in a week or so, I can't help thinking your feelings for Iain would be better expressed in a wee teddy bear holding a love heart.
  88. avatar flightstrip
    Back to the wall big lad...back to the wall;)
  89. avatar tinpot anto
    Nice, anachronistic homophobic sentiments always make my weekend
  90. avatar flightstrip
    Hmm,big words like that would be better explained for all the 'stupid bands' on here maybe?
  91. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    So, still no word from Bruised Fruit then?
  92. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Does anyone know what paper the hack writes for? That says alot about the state of journalistic integrity these days, 'he was saying bad things about my friend, but I told him off.' Sake.
  93. avatar voidio
    MMMMMM... just wondering how many of the artists have been contacted as a follow-up to these promotional CD's being handed out to these companies in the past?
    I don't think it's rude to ask? just to see is it worth a 'punt', or is BF really the only winner here?
    :O
  94. avatar tinpot anto
    None. Ever.
  95. avatar T Entertainment
    That's an absolutely [i:8a87ab581d]fascinating[/i:8a87ab581d] insight into the editorial processes in that newspaper.
  96. avatar TRHolmes(y)
    Dottie. SETTING THEM STRAIGHT
  97. avatar flightstrip
    Anto,how do u know that?
    This really is a load of cock.this thread has run its course and did not deliver.though it is strange how females and journalists (or both!) seem to be the targets of these 'outings'?!
  98. avatar S.D.B
    for 150 you could go shopping with the duke in newry for the day;} just saying:O
  99. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Oh great. Flightstrip accusing us of being sexist. That's rich.
  100. avatar Devilspain
    personally 150blips i think is a bit of a rip off as there is no guarantee that anything will come of it and then your 150 blips down... but also i think its crazy how much everyone is demanding blood from BF. They are a company they can charge whatever the hell they want. if people are willing to pay that amount of money thats fine let them pay. i wouldnt say BF are preying on the naive chances can come from opportunities like these.

    im sure if anybody here got a place to go to SXSW you wouldnt be turning down help to get there from the BCC. IMO that argument is null/void.

    the music business is risky you can flood thousands of pounds/euros/dollars into PR schemes and nothing comes from it but then on the other hand it may pay off. This is a PR scheme if you think its not worth your while dont buy into it.
  101. avatar flightstrip
    who accused u of being sexist u idiot?im just pointing out a fact.and how is that rich?..instead of trying to ruin someones business from the comfort of your keyboard maybe u shd try actually speaking to the person behind the business to discover the facts.would that not make fuckin sense?
  102. avatar spirit of division
    When will people learn Belfast / NI is too small to get away with questionable shit. If you plan to do something think it out, be able to back it up, be aware someone will call you on it, be able to take it or back down.

    Flightstrip - Iain pointed out a valuable piece of info and I thank him for it. Regardless of who someone is or what they have supposedly done, everyone should be able to call them on their actions - especially when they are being sent off at tax payers expense to represent us.
  103. avatar tinpot anto
    I know it because it's a true fact. These pay-per-track CDs are nothing but a scam. Why not pay for a track yourself and find out.
  104. avatar spirit of division
    All business should be / are under public scrutiny. I'm sure everyone has complained to friends, online, via text, twitter or carrier pigeon about a shop, a service, a government department, ex girl/boyfriend...if you believe we should ALWAYS ask a company about their policies rather than just letting everyone else know about them, then logic follows you should act this in all your life dealings.
  105. avatar spirit of division
    We could all pitch in and put one track on 15 times and see if it goes anywhere.
  106. avatar Strong Reaction
    Businessmen/women/people and music should not mix.
  107. avatar 10rapid
    Mmm that's a great ethos! We should all dick about on the dole and play occasional gigs in the front page for beer money.
    No thanks.
    As for the 'why hasn't she responded?!' outrage, guess what: not many people use fastfude any more. Just sayin'.

    For what it's worth, I think it's a bit of a misguided idea and she should know better but as far as I can see, bruised fruit have been helpful to the local 'scene' and they're not publicly funded any more. So if this girl is trying to make a living from doing what she loves, fair play.
    Maybe this was a bad idea but 'Don't do business with this company!' is a bit rich isn't it?
    Do what you like. Make mistakes. Lose money. Make money.
    I'm sure jennie will think harder next time.
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  108. avatar Strong Reaction
    Yes, because that's what we all do.

    Why spend 150 on a track for a compilation EP when that could get you a day in a recording studio to help make something you can then sell and send out to people.

    Cut out the middleman bullshit, 99% of the time it simply isn't needed.
  109. avatar 10rapid
    Yeah that's true. Although isn't there an argument for placement?
    I'm sure Oppenheimer, Foy Vance etc made a few quid from getting used on tv shows and they probably didn't get there by sending demos in jiffy bags. However, as eloquently stated above, it's hard to see how this particular venture would be hugely helpful. Especially at sxsw, where the streets will probably be lined with discarded CDs.
  110. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Ah, I love the internet.
    I am however away to Donegal to get royally pissed.

    Someone keep me posted if anyone decides to answer any of the questions that, as yet, remain hanging in the air, even with all the bullshit of the last couple of hours.
  111. avatar Strong Reaction
    If I'm asleep when anyone comes forth, don't bother to wake me.
  112. avatar Steven Dedalus
    I'm not getting involved in this as it really doesn't involve me, but as a fan of simple logic, I must say the following:

    Flightstrip...what manner of idiot are you?

    This has nothing to do with the fact that Bruised Fruit is owned by a female, in the same way that 'Tina-gate' had nothing to do with her being a female.

    It is linked to the central notion that it appears that something a little underhand (or, at the very least, seemingly inappropriate) has taken place, and the people with whom it directly concerns are curious to get to the bottom of it.

    This is a music forum which is primarily concerned with the music scene in Northern Ireland, and as such it is the perfect "forum" within which to discuss what is going on.

    You are adding nothing to this argument other than trying to defame Iain's character, make vaguely homophobic comments, and call everyone who is even remotely concerned with this issue a moron.

    If you're not bothered by it, don't get your knickers in a twist.

    There are other people who want to see where this is going, and let's just leave them too it, shall we?
  113. avatar Smitch
    This whole fiasco is ridonkulous.
  114. avatar JTM
    I just wrote a huge post which I lost but the summary is:

    I withdraw the remarks about "fuck 'em" and "nitwits". I was angry about something that I took personally but should not have and it was out of order. Sorry.


    Also I'll be in the Wetherspoons at 7 on Monday. I can't give you any answers but I can explain things / give an inside opinion face to face if you want to talk/beat me up/call me "Judas"/ etc.

    But honestly, you won't get any answers; this is nothing to do with me any more.
  115. avatar fastfuse
    Wetherspoons is a good place to get beat up
  116. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    I hear whoever is responsible at Belfast City Council for supporting local arttists/enterprises at SxSW, is going completely mental at this.

    There will be serious reprecussions over this it seems.
  117. avatar tinpot anto
    And well they should. Jen told me on twitter the bcc was only covering half the cost of the trip,and this was making up the shortfall. I imagine theyre thinking if you are going to raise money from {wonderful opportunity} bands, why not charge £300 a track and pay your own fucking way.
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  118. avatar feline1
    Come on you guys, this is nothing compared to the Barcardi Best of Belfarce festival of 1999, or something.

    Or the NIMIC compilation CD that they decided to not even press in the end because "the bands were all sh1te [sic]"


    Anyways, I just hope Bruised Fruit have an MCPS Audio Product license for this CD,
    as it can be hell when the MCPS Anti Piracy Squad catch up with you, etc etc lol
  119. avatar S.D.B
    150 could get you a day out in the odyssey with the duke.. bowling ,cinema lunch ect:} ..just saying :O
  120. avatar JTM
    [quote:4e0c5cde5c]Wetherspoons is a good place to get beat up[/quote:4e0c5cde5c]

    There or behind Lavery's, but there's cheaper beer in the Spoons.

    EDIT: Seriously though, I hope we can leave violence or the threat of it out of this, and any other public forum.
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  121. avatar ghostofnothing
    Piracy you say..

    [img:442204e86d]http://images.hollywood.com/site/Pirates_Of_The_Caribbean_015-748865.jpg[/img:442204e86d]
  122. avatar tinpot anto
    Does £150 get you a Duke "Special"?
  123. avatar feline1
    [quote:4fbd8c91a3]I hear whoever is responsible at Belfast City Council for supporting local arttists/enterprises at SxSW, is going completely mental at this. [/quote:4fbd8c91a3]

    Cool. Are they from Sinn Féin? Do you think they might get so cross they'll murder someone?

    Ooops, sorry there, 'peace process someone'.
  124. avatar Daveitferris
    A lot of great questions raised here as always!
    I don't know jen personally, but she's always come across honest and proactive to me.
    So i'm hoping she'll come on here and just leave a wee blurb on this venture.
    She's not obliged to, but the fact she acknowledged this thread exists, yet didn't leave
    a post, isn't going to win her any fans!

    Ye can get nothing past you 'fuders! I'm scared to come up with a business for fear you'll
    all lynch me with rusty gillettes.
  125. avatar S.D.B
    cant mention full names incase i get sued by the duke himself ..but yes this duke will give you anything for a SPECIAL price of only 150:O again just saying...i like saying just saying it makes me sound witty and soft..almost cuddley
  126. avatar iain
    [quote:d5c8019a77]I withdraw the remarks about "fuck 'em" and "nitwits". I was angry about something that I took personally but should not have and it was out of order. Sorry.[/quote:d5c8019a77]

    Thank you.
  127. avatar iain
    [quote:e0902b55ab]Jen told me on twitter the bcc was only covering half the cost of the trip,and this was making up the shortfall. I imagine they're thinking if you are going to raise money from scamming bands, why not charge £300 a track and pay your own fucking way.[/quote:e0902b55ab]

    It could also be asked whether the people at Bruised Fruit are getting sponsored to attend SxSW twice. Once as Bruised Fruit who have got funding from BCC to attend, and once as this Planzai that they seem to be fairly heavily involved with who have got funding to attend from InvestNI.

    I'm assuming Planzai is the new direction which JTM wrote about up above, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
  128. avatar JTM
    The new direction I was hinting at was SME consultancy - it's on their website. BF are working for Planzai to help them get their business off the ground. I strongly doubt anyone's being sponsored twice.
  129. avatar feline1
    I don't really understand - how does taking English taxpayers' money and giving it to Bruised Fruit so they can go on jollies to America help get "business off the ground"? Surely businesses get off the ground by actually doing hard work and offering products and services that markets want?

    Anyways I thought the idea was to have a Big Society, which means rich people like Gloria Hunniford and Jim Corr can pay less tax is they give some of their surplus cash to 'worthy causes'?
  130. avatar Lloyd Dobler
    ah yes, helping Planzai get off the ground, cos BF is a world dominating company and all...one of her pearls of wisdom to Planzai was to "factor in some time for Margaritas"..Is this some kind of business-speak or just someone admitting they're taking the piss and just going for a jolly-up??...

    ah, questions, questions, questions in want of an answer from that humble, selfless, champion of local music...anyone spoke to John Shelley or even The Creatures yet about the great deal they got for the advert their music appeared in??

    About the fact that they maybe had to pay a commission to the great musical visionary even though said visionary and pillar of integrity had got commission from the ad company AS WELL???...not my accusation, merely a question..

    considering there are people who actually ARE championing local music without asking the bands for a single penny and not getting half the support BF gets is a blessing....her arrogant stance on her Facebook page is an accurate reflection of her attitude to business and a music scene we are proud of...to quote Anto on her page..Shame
  131. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    John Shelly and the Creatures are no Master & Dog.
  132. avatar S.D.B
    for 150 you can get..ahh fuck it im gonna leave poor old pete alone he,s done more than i ever will in the music world fair fucks to him for selling himself at least he never got ripped off by bruised fruits:lol:
  133. avatar Pavel
    [quote:9624541c4b]ah, questions, questions, questions in want of an answer from that humble, selfless, champion of local music...anyone spoke to John Shelley or even The Creatures yet about the great deal they got for the advert their music appeared in??

    About the fact that they maybe had to pay a commission to the great musical visionary even though said visionary and pillar of integrity had got commission from the ad company AS WELL???...not my accusation, merely a question..[/quote:9624541c4b]

    ...is this true?

    Pardon my perhaps naive question.
  134. avatar JTM
    a) I can't answer this fully but...
    b) I know roughly what the deal was.
    c) I'm not going to tell you on Fastfude.
    d) ... "the fact that they maybe" - are you planning to work for the Daily Mail?
  135. avatar T Entertainment
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  136. avatar Daveitferris
    JTM. Can you please beat-it from this topic?
  137. avatar JTM
    EDIT: Too drunk/ tired to make sense. Wetherspoons 7pm Monday. etc
  138. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    It's funny how everyone gets such a hard on for jumping on the bandwagon of OMGZ she's totally out to make money. Of course she is, that's what a business does. Even if it runs under the premise of helping local music. If I ran a business I'd say about how interested I was in providing a super service, when obviously it's all about the dollar. It just doesn't sound great saying that. Iain probably near came when he saw all the replies he got. Anyone stupid enough to pay 150 quid to get on a CD deserves to lose 150. It's not gonna affect yer woman whether you care or not, as most bands stupid enough won't be thinking 'I'll see what fastfude users say before I sign up'. Also the lady knows she's just doing it to make money, she has no answers, so replying to you will just dig herself a deeper hole. You should probably give up on trying to bait her into commenting, as much as you would all love her to so you could dry hump each other at some vague inaccuracy in her story.

    To sum up, fair fucks, if I thought I could get 150 from any of you for doing precisely piss all but burning a few CDs and going to America, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think it boarders on jealousy when someone thinks up a pretty effective scam. Infact, it isn't even a scam, there's nothing illegal, it's just stupidity for anyone who pays. Isn't there a CSI game out there you could all go play? I'm sure you'd all be super.
  139. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Also, deeply annoying people whinging about their council tax going to things. Firstly again, she's going to get the money regardless, your opinion is going to make no difference, so why bother. People always moan about a certain event costing the taxpayer x amount of money, say 100,000. Divided between all the tax payer's it'll work out about a 400th of a penny, who cares?
  140. avatar Eamonn Evangelists
    I care. As you say, all all these fractions of pennies add up to thousands/millions/billions of pounds which should be spent with great responsibility. More so now than ever given the budget cuts we're facing.
  141. avatar feline1
    It's true: voters make zero difference to Council policy, it's not like Councils are elected or anything. We all know they're appointed by the New World Order.

    Moreover, if Bruised Fruit didn't get given the money to go drink margharitas, it would only be given to Rape Crisis centres or some other dodgy scam for loose women.
  142. avatar tinpot anto
    I like it when people declare on public forums that they have no problem with scamming people or underhand business practice, it makes it much easier to know who to avoid doing business with.
  143. avatar T Entertainment
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  144. avatar Chi-Lite
    Nah, this one.

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    Have to say I don't really give a fuck what bruised fruit do, but the most sickening thing from this whole affair has to be the fawning sycophantic pish coming from your one Dottie up there.

    "any profit made goes back into making the norn music industry better"

    I beg to differ, I think there's already enough fucking shite bands knocking about. Away and raflle yourself, Dottie, you big streak of fucking pish.

    Of course it could just be the hangover talking, but so what, fuck you all. Wire!!! a-waiting for usssss, a waiting, a waiting, a waiting for UUUUSSSSS
  145. avatar fergus
    kinda disappointing if this is just an empty scam as described here

    also disappointing that there has been no reply from BF to offer their side of the story or dispell any of the more negative comments

    surely a promotional company could handle a debate with a few forummers?
  146. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Lucky that I'm anonymous on an online forum, and so you'll never know who I am anyway, not that I plan a trip to Dragon's Den anytime soon anyway. Although wouldn't a device that triggered an alarm on anything you often lose be a brilliant invention...I can just see my pitch now "Duncan........how many times do you lose your car keys in the morning?" Wait, I phones do that already. piss.

    Anyway, my point is, none of you really care...this is just something other than poker to pass the time in work yapping about. If any of you did care why don't you write a letter for some relative authority to bin. I'm sure the council would be very interested to ignore your calls. Plus the guy said he'd meet any of you who care that much. I doubt any of these keyboard warriors will turn up though.

    Also more importantly consider this, she's openly advertised what she does, it's up to anyone if they wish to buy. Of course she's put a positive slant on it. That she "meets important people" or whatever. Who doesn't do this though when they're selling something. If you are advertising your car for sale you'd say "Excellent condition." Not "Excellent condition, but then all cars are prone to a wee bit of damage, so you probably will still have something go wrong with it in a month, and will probably be a wee bit angry." Look at all those shitty antique shows that won't piss off BBC when you're off sick. If you found some old thing on the mantlepiece someone would give you 800 for, I'm sure you'd all be straight on here advertising it. It would be absolutely ridiculous if someone bought it, but you'd still sell it.

    To sum up, she isn't even advertising this on Fastfude, so even though you all think you're doing a great deed in highlighting her flaws, this isn't going to make a tiny chink in her profits, simply no one really uses this site, and those who do have an account who I know seem to avoid it in fear of being heckled left right and centre when making a post, and can't be bothered with the long out arguments that repeat themselves 10fold. Can't you just use the site constructively, or do something else?
  147. avatar feline1
    Yeah that's what I always said about Lynn Faulds Wood: can't you do something POSITIVE, woman!? All this crap about 'potential death traps', moan moan moan.
  148. avatar EoinT
    Long time lurker, first time ranter:

    You can spend 150 squid to put a song on a CD that will never be heard, and you'll be an idiot.
    You can spend 150 squid to buy a pair of socks or suchlike in Hollister, and you'll be an idiot.

    Difference? A fool and his gold, etc...
  149. avatar S.D.B
    blistersonmythumbs you are a complete prick.....thats all:O
  150. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Or alternatively, blistersonmythumbs threads like this can be picket up by the hacks that frequent this board, who'll bring this to the general public's attention.
  151. avatar T Entertainment
    For all the claims of a huge drop off in the popularity of this site, there's over 40 individual contributors on this thread and many more reading it. The discussion aspect of the forum is way down on what it used to be, but I assume that's because when people want to talk shite about the TV or whatever, they do so on Facebook or Twitter (I know I do).
    But when a topic of particular interest comes up, it quickly becomes clear that a lot of people are still coming here.
    Roger says the figures show FF has more traffic than ever. Of course, he's well known for his complete lack of integrity and no doubt made that up.
  152. avatar tinpot anto
    Jim Corr just called me a Big Pharma shill on Twitter, you don't get that on fastfude anymore.
  153. avatar SHH
    Sounds like a bit of a joke. £150 to get on a compilation CD, at such a large gathering as SXSW, for the hope, not the guarantee, of getting heard by bigger, better record companies and reps?

    Can anyone testify to any previous Bruised Fruit offers or endeavours being even remotely successful in benefitting a band to the scale of getting them recognised at similar events? And shouldn't bands from this country try thinking about cracking the UK first, since in most cases, acts from this country will have a better, more profitable duplicate across the pond?
  154. avatar feline1
    We'll have no craic in the UK, SHH - didn't you hear that nice Mr Cameron's speech about how multiculturalism is dead? It's morris dancing or nothing at all!
  155. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    I say again,
    150 quid will buy you this and nothing more.
    There is no credibility, no quality control, no care and no soul in this compilation, this CD and many more will litter Austin like confetti. Paying to get on to this is insane.

    [img:5e5c2979db]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/mammatt/IMG00196-20100331-1353.jpg[/img:5e5c2979db]
  156. avatar thecunnyfunt
    150 buck for a CD coaster and the world's biggest coffee cup?
  157. avatar Pavel
    [quote:65a13bac39]To sum up, she isn't even advertising this on Fastfude, so even though you all think you're doing a great deed in highlighting her flaws, this isn't going to make a tiny chink in her profits, simply no one really uses this site[/quote:65a13bac39]

    ...but they do use Facebook, Twitter and several blog services where I and others have reposted it.

    That is, even if they don't use FastFude, which they do.
  158. avatar tinpot anto
    Why couldn't BF have picked the very best tracks they wanted to produce for a compilation and sold it at their gigs and bandcamp etc as a fundraiser in the run up, still had copies to give away, and a Bit of money for the trip.

    If the bands actually have commercial potential then it should be wee buns

    A far more honest, honourable and *coughs* PR friendly way to operate
  159. avatar feline1
    yes but 'wee buns' are no 'big baps' :D
  160. avatar Midhir Records
    I'm pretty gobsmacked to read this. My company (not Midhir) got part funded by BCC to go to SxSW last year under what I'd expect is a similar scheme. In actual fact with some careful planning the funding went a LONG way towards sending just me, some flyers, CDs and business cards out there.

    The funding was allocated by a particular guy at the council who knew what he was doing and there is a lengthy application process, it's not a golden handshake. It's public money, and with it comes an almost overwhelming sense of responsibility for both spending it wisely and for making the most of your time out there. If done right it can be hugely beneficial. I used the trip to make solid contacts with VCs, opening avenues to bring in investment from overseas worth 10-100 times the investment made by the council to send us over. That's the real benefit of initiative.

    The DCAL Minister and two councillors were out there with us. They want to see that the funding scheme is paying off and bringing a return for Belfast. If someone brings disrepute upon or undermines the scheme then there's a chance it won't be funded the following year. That's likely to make the people who put in the hours to make it work very angry.

    I would be surprised if this compilation CD isn't quietly pulled. For a start, if you're not out there making the personal connections yourself then your music is likely to end up as tomorrow's beermat. Especially at such a huge event. I'd return to my hotel room twice a day laden down with business cards and CDs, many that I've yet to get through. IMO there's something not right about receiving public money to go out there and then charging people again to do what you're being funded to do in the first place, i.e. promote Belfast music and the Belfast brand.
  161. avatar T Entertainment
    As a ratepayer, I can't access satisfactory refuse collection where I live, so I might record a song about it and pay 150 quid so that it's on this CD. It would appear to be a more effective way of getting BCC involved in, or aware of, the issue. Given their apparently hands-on approach to the trip to S X SW, if not my own tediously parochial issue.
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  162. avatar feline1
    Surely the problem with bins in Belfast is that all too frequently a certain Wasp Boy is inside them, chuckling to himself as another rufuse operative meets with a health and safety fiasco?
  163. avatar Midhir Records
    Just to clarify, the money itself comes from the Creative Industries Innovation Fund rather than from rates, and has to be applied for by the Council like every other business that applies for money under that funding scheme. It's from money set aside by DCAL for funding the Arts and promotion thereof. The council then splits it up and creates the SxSW fund.

    We could put the entire block grant into bin collection. Then we'd have the best bin collection service in the Universe :p
  164. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Pavel, I very much doubt any of these bands are "following" you on twitter, if that's what it's called. Doubt any of them are your friends on facebook, and doubt your word of mouth will help at all. Who are these other people who speak of have passed on the word of this scheme? Also, if she's happy to advertise it herself, you are all doing her a favour by giving her more publicity. I also doubt any "hacks" would come on here looking for a story.

    Glad she hasn't bothered her arse replying to any of this, another loss for the moaners. At least Iain gets a hardon that people listened to him and gave him a lot of replies.
  165. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:f0cc34170f="Blistersonmythumbs"]I also doubt any "hacks" would come on here looking for a story.
    [/quote:f0cc34170f]

    How I did chuckle.
  166. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Well, Blisters, for someone so dismissive of 'keyboard warriors'you seem to treasure your anonymity. I know at least two of the people posting here are journalists. And the reason why I know this? Most people here know each other, work together and support local music, as opposed to trolling. And anyone who says 'any publicity is good publicity' clearly hasn't read this thread.
  167. avatar iain
    [quote:b19b0c24df]Lucky that I'm anonymous on an online forum, and so you'll never know who I am anyway[/quote:b19b0c24df]

    Is that right Andrew McClenaghan, phone number: 077xxxxx343, who teaches in Andystown Contemporary and Traditional School of music? Nope, we have no idea who you are...
  168. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    So the next time Andy is promoting a gig like [url=http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=40248]this[/url] then we should watch out?
  169. avatar thecunnyfunt
    [quote:a353ea6102]Is that right Andrew McClenaghan, phone number: 077xxxxx343, who teaches in Andystown Contemporary and Traditional School of music? Nope, we have no idea who you are...[/quote:a353ea6102]

    [img]http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/095/412/original/fyeah.jpg?1296121409[/img]
  170. avatar Daveitferris
    Ouch Andrew!
    Moral: Don't challenge Iain with little tasks like this, that boy knows how to debunk¬!
  171. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Lawl I knew someone would go on my old bebo/facebook when I posted that. Really old number, and don't teach there anymore. The name is right though. I'll give you a 7 for effort. If anyone wishes to link me to any article on this story I'd be more than happy to read, oh wait...there aren't any, no-one cares. I really hope no-one steals my identity :( or doesn't buy my 150 compilation offer now that the masses of fastfude are onto me.
  172. avatar iain
    and he lives in Finaghy.
  173. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    That one's partially true, I'm there a lot. Any other scandal for me? Favourite colour? Shoe size? lol
  174. avatar iain
    [img:59221a9809]http://i4.bebo.com/048a/14/mediuml/2009/03/16/19/5120384189a10358279287ml.jpg[/img:59221a9809]

    ?
  175. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Aww jesus this brings back the memories. Must be 18 in that photo. I now have shorter dark hair and glasses, no piercings and no god appearing in front of me. This me be as famous as I ever get, if it is I'll hate you for making me peak early, you massive...sponge (I'll come back to edit this when I think of a more amusing insult). P.S. are the halloween pictures no longer on bebo? There's some better one's of me as the Saw doll/ a kinky schoolgirl, I'm guessing they're no longer on it? Dissapointed.
  176. avatar iain
    Actually, the only piece of information that came from Bebo was the photo, and the account is private so that was the only photo available. It can't be that old a phone number as the last time you used it was less than a month ago (10th January 2011). Maybe thats why you're not getting any pupils.
  177. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    That's strange, I honestly don't remember using that sim in the last year, let alone month. Infact I'm sure it's in the attic in an old Nokia. Also didn't know my bebo was private. I do have pupils, January was a much quieter month than usual though. Still, I'm pretty sure I make more moolah than those lovely quirky drone sounds you make.
  178. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Oh yeah, Matchett's website has my details. Again, surely I'm happy enough for people to see an ad which is intended.......well for people to see. Again, in the unlikely event people I do business- (clearly not an actual business with staff and overheads) see this, I doubt they'll be thinking "I could maybe learn chords and scales better elsewhere, afterall, he did endorse making easy money if at all possible.
  179. avatar iain
    [quote:6efdcfd4b0]Still, I'm pretty sure I make more moolah than those lovely quirky drone sounds you make.[/quote:6efdcfd4b0]

    Can't argue with you there really, its all free. Not really sure what this has got to do with anything though...
  180. avatar tinpot anto
    Is that the Andytown School of Music that struggles to find small amounts of funding each year to provide low-cost music tuition to kids in deprived areas through a network of volunteer tutors?

    Wondering if maybe BF's money could have been better spent?
  181. avatar feline1
    [quote:1c36bdec2d]Lawl I knew someone would go on my old bebo/facebook when I posted that. Really old number, and don't teach there anymore[/quote:1c36bdec2d]

    Why, were you sacked for being a wanker?
  182. avatar ohmessylife
    [quote:24ee4228de]Is that right Andrew McClenaghan, phone number: 077xxxxx343, who teaches in Andystown Contemporary and Traditional School of music? Nope, we have no idea who you are...

    [/quote:24ee4228de]

    [img:24ee4228de]http://24.media.tumblr.com/o2opKFB7Ck438ehjY7rP1TSFo1_400.gif[/img:24ee4228de]
  183. avatar bigO
    Blisters on your thumbs from all the pure shite you type ... Pure shite!
    More people read this site than you think and you're seriously misguided if you think this isnt going to have an impact on how genuine musicians on this site deal (or not) with BF from here on in.
  184. avatar Bileofwood
    Perhaps we should just change FF to an anonymous image posting board.

    Which we shall never discuss.
  185. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    So,

    To get back on course I've copied this from above, all genuine questions one might aske before shelling out £150 for this "opportunity"

    - - - - - - - -

    Okay, serious questions.

    How much (of our money) is the Council giving to BF for this endeavour?
    Are BF engaging with other promoters / producers to save costs and if not why not?
    (Everyone in receipt of public funds is being asked to share costs/cutback, this should be the same)

    Is the grant enough to cover Visa, travel and accommodation or are BF supposed to be adding to the sum?
    Is there any funding towards promotional material for the trip? (hard to believe there wouldn't be)
    What is the deal with the Council on what BF would produce as a result of the investment?
    What exactly will the 150 cover if the funding is deemed appropriate to cover the trip and marketing?

    What, if any, quality control will be used on producing the CD?

    - Who decides what gets on the CD?
    - Is it a case of who jumps (and pays) first?
    - Will bands be turned away if they aren't up to scratch?
    - Is the CD being professionally produced or burned at the office?
    - Will the bands on BF's roster be included on the CD? (c/o Chi-Lite)
    - Will they have paid to be on it? (c/o Chi-Lite)

    How many meetings have been set up with label people?
    Who are these meetings with and what is the hope in terms of outcomes?

    And lastly, what has BF achieved in the previous (funded) trips to SxSW for 'clients'?

    All reasonable questions, even if they are in an open forum.
  186. avatar tinpot anto
    "Here is a CD, the first 5 tracks are acts which we have decided have sufficient commercial potential to invest in, and who we would highly recommend you listen to, given that our relationship is such that you would value our judgement in such things. The remaining 7 tracks are from acts who have paid to be included on this compilation in the vague hope that you may not have enough unsolicited crap to wade through at this; the world's largest music networking event, we've already decided they don't warrant any investment from us, even to the point of allowing their inclusion on a CD we are producing anyway, but of course this in no way should reflect on how you view them."
  187. avatar sloppyjoe
    [quote:e3ea61f768="Midhir Records"]... the funding went a LONG way towards sending just me, some flyers, CDs and business cards out there.
    ...
    It's public money, and with it comes an almost overwhelming sense of responsibility for both spending it wisely and for making the most of your time out there.
    ...
    The DCAL Minister and two councillors were out there with us. They want to see that the funding scheme is paying off and bringing a return for Belfast.
    [/quote:e3ea61f768]

    [quote:e3ea61f768="Midhir Records"]Just to clarify, the money itself comes from the Creative Industries Innovation Fund rather than from rates, and has to be applied for by the Council like every other business that applies for money under that funding scheme. It's from money set aside by DCAL for funding the Arts and promotion thereof. The council then splits it up and creates the SxSW fund. [/quote:e3ea61f768]

    Sorry for the blatant cropping there, but I wanted to join up some key points in that long post from Midhir Records. If I'm reading this right, the council got external funding for this and then decided that a wise and responsible use of that funding would be to send one industry guy over to represent NI at SxSW, [b:e3ea61f768]plus a minister and two councillors to make sure it was a wise and responsible use of public money[/b:e3ea61f768]. I imagine the funding our elected representatives got was enough to cover all their expenses for the trip too, rather than going "a long way" towards it. Is it just me, or are we missing the real scam here?
  188. avatar BinaryOperator
    sloppy:

    excellent point there
  189. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Dare I say there is always room for Politicos on these trips (trunkets) and at the very least we should be thankful that they aren't compiling CD's to bring with them. Thats not to say its right or wrong mind you as often the civil servants can make an impact on trips such as this. Rare, but sometimes it helps, it is designed to show support for the local product, that says nothing of the impending doom and cuts that are about to pull the arts sector limb from limb.

    I have faith in some of those attending SxSW this year, don't get me wrong, I have a lot of faith in some of them, my only concern is this pay to play crap as it applies to this CD and the impact that could potentially have to those who actually go on to keep and play the thing rather than using it to protect surfaces from very large cups of (glorious) Segafredo coffee...

    The pay to play aspect leaves little room for integrity and makes it incredibly difficult to sell a product if you have no real control on what that product is, on how its compiled and on how each track reflects on others on the compilation. This is based on the fact that having sold parts of it off there is every chance you are being paid to promote something you have no faith in and can't actually listen to yourself.
  190. avatar sloppyjoe
    You're a more charitable man than I am, Phil. I tend to suspect the motives of politicians of every stripe and party, so I can't help feeling they just leathered into this as an oportunity for a junket to Texas. I'm sure several MLAs and city councillors already have their own snakeskin boots and 10-gallon hats. Six-shooters too, in some cases. The DCAL Minister - that would be Nelson McCausland, no? I can just see him now, out shopping for new buckskins and a pair of chaps. And the only Norn Iron music he'll be promoting is Willie McCrea.
  191. avatar feline1
    So, basically: if I murdered people for 30 years as part of valid politcal struggle,
    that would give me a good chance of promoting my band at SxSW at the tax payers' expense?
  192. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    [quote:06571777f9]Sloppyjoe - several MLAs and city councillors already have their own snakeskin boots and 10-gallon hats. Six-shooters too, in some cases. The DCAL Minister - that would be Nelson McCausland, no? I can just see him now, out shopping for new buckskins and a pair of chaps. And the only Norn Iron music he'll be promoting is Willie McCrea.[/quote:06571777f9]

    See, that right there was the "Rare" and "Sometimes" caveats. I dread to think of the CD that Nelson would create, Willie McCrea would be the musical highlight in all likelihood.

    And feline, apparently so... ;)
  193. avatar Pavel
    [quote:d7eb0608df]Pavel, I very much doubt any of these bands are "following" you on twitter, if that's what it's called. Doubt any of them are your friends on facebook, and doubt your word of mouth will help at all. Who are these other people who speak of have passed on the word of this scheme? Also, if she's happy to advertise it herself, you are all doing her a favour by giving her more publicity. I also doubt any "hacks" would come on here looking for a story.[/quote:d7eb0608df]

    As much a social soul as I am I would never claim to know anyone, but there are those who would say my opinion to be informed and of worth for various reasons. Bands, I know a few here and there. Wouldn't claim to know them all.

    ...so I'll speak my part and they may or may not listen to my point of view on the situation. As for who has spoken about this, there's no need to name souls. Northern Ireland is a small enough place and word can travel fairly quickly.

    Also, next time you try to dismiss social networking in a pretentious manner, don't undermine your own statements by quoting the buzz word of the day like a villain in a made for television movie.
  194. avatar tinpot anto
    And yes I for one have already been contacted by a "hack" asking for comment on this story. So there you go, dismiss this at your peril.
  195. avatar BinaryOperator
    Blisters....jaysus.

    Hmmmm. Let's see. If you have no problem with making "easy" money by ripping people off what is your stance on skipping the pretence and just fucking robbing 'em? I mean, that's "easy money". Or you could sell empty TV Boxes with bricks in 'em. Call by a pensioners house and "check the meter" and nick all round you. OR YOU COULD SELL EMPTY PROMISES AND HOLLOW DREAMS (ok ok melodramatic there). Fucksake man. Where do *you* draw the line?

    I don't see how you're doing yourself any favours here at all. I don't know you from Adam but based on your postings in this thread I have the impression that you would rip off your own granny for a few quid. FOr some reason I also had an image of a bloke taking a tenner off a kid and running away shouting "learn your own fucking chords and scales you wee shit muahahahahaha EASY MONEY MUAHAHAHAHH!!!" etc. Then again I was up late last night with screaming bairns so this may all be a dream, an undigested potato or bit of cheese etc

    I also really liked how you make more "Moolah" than others, while having a jibe at their "quirky drone sounds". You must just *fucking love* yourself. Arrogance and an apparent lack of morals. Wonderful package you're selling there man. If you value yourself by the moolah you make you can also add shallow to the other laudable personality traits you're demonstrating.

    As for your comment regarding "hacks" there are a few regulars here who work in media, one of whom has posted on this thread. Then again you'd know that wouldn't you?

    Why not go the whole hog and slag people of for their weight, use of glasses or choice of music? I mean you've already slagged based on income and the music people make....why hold back?

    Maybe I have you all wrong man.

    BF have a rep for promoting local talent etc, furthering the cause of local music. Doing local music a favour in a socially responsible way if you will. If they had promoted themselves differently, e.g. as a bunch of people out to make easy money then I don't think people would be so annoyed. I do think that the whole thing of them supporting the local scene and then apparently blatantly profiteering is the big thing here.

    My take:

    I dunno. I would like to hear a response from BF. I have an idea that this was not a "let's get some beer money" exercise...This board can get all vitriolic at times (my fault at times too). I would not be surprised if this is all sorted by a nice clarification post from BF promotions.

    oOOOH Fu Manchu just came on the headphones. Boogie time. :)
  196. avatar blistersonmythumbs
    Of course I didn't get sacked, it didn't suit me to travel around for 15 for an hour and a half (plus travel time) when I make that much from home in an hour. @ Iain I mentioned how your music had made no money as you mentioned how I had no students, so just pointing out that teaching one person per week would mean I have a higher income from anything related to music than you, assuming you don't do anything else in the business rather than post thousands of messages on FF. I don't use twitter Pavel, but surely you'd be more than open to naming names if there were any getting behind fighting this cause you care deeply about. They'd surely get a lot of praise on here if they brought this any mainstream attention.

    Binary, I don't see how me "loving myself" is any way related to mentioning not liking someone's music. Infact, Iain has a dedicated forum every year for the bands he thinks are most overated in NI, I'm sure he is a big enough boy to handle the fact most people don't like drone. Also again feel you're missing the point. The lady advertised exactly what she is selling, she didn't do it in a sneaky underhand way. There's absolutely nothing underhand about it. It's like Tesco's selling bread for 40, you simply would walk past it.
  197. avatar feline1
    CURSE YOU, LAURA ANNE!!!!!!!! :lol:
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  198. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:dc1487ef3c]It's like Tesco's selling bread for 40, you simply would walk past it[/quote:dc1487ef3c]

    Haha, would you just walk past it like. I don't know about you, but I'd stop and go "What the fuck! Dirty robbing bastards. Ye fucking wha? Forty bastarding quid? Get to fuck. Is it some kind of magic bread or what?"

    That's what we're all doing here.

    You can't whack an oul analogy.
  199. avatar Midhir Records
    [quote:48a8a1add0]Sorry for the blatant cropping there, but I wanted to join up some key points in that long post from Midhir Records. If I'm reading this right, the council got external funding for this and then decided that a wise and responsible use of that funding would be to send one industry guy over to represent NI at SxSW, plus a minister and two councillors to make sure it was a wise and responsible use of public money. I imagine the funding our elected representatives got was enough to cover all their expenses for the trip too, rather than going "a long way" towards it. Is it just me, or are we missing the real scam here?[/quote:48a8a1add0]

    Sorry I was unclear here. They didn't send one industry guy and 3 politicians, they sent a small team of around ten people and the politicians. What I meant by 'just me' was that the (equal) share of funding my business got sent just myself out, whereas it sounds like BF are using the same amount to send more than one person out. The point being that they could justifiably say the funding only covered a small part of their costs.

    I don't know where people are getting the £1000's cost of a VISA though, ESTA VISA's are free.

    [quote:48a8a1add0]So, basically: if I murdered people for 30 years as part of valid politcal struggle,
    that would give me a good chance of promoting my band at SxSW at the tax payers' expense?[/quote:48a8a1add0]

    Err nah you'd have to be elected to the council, serve on the committee responsible and work hard enough to end up leading it. I understand the implication though, but frankly the councillors are responsible for the international brand of Belfast, they weren't there to buy ten gallon hats and six shooters.

    Personally I backed sending McCausland out there. A guy like him needs to be shown that the international perception of Belfast might be quite different from what he thinks it is.
  200. avatar tinpot anto
    You know that you "Volunteer" for the ATCMS and you get paid expenses only as it's a community enterprise?
    They will also fund you through numerous excellent training courses on working with vulnerable youth.

    There's also the occasional opportunity to steal a biro or 2.
  201. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    [quote:3917550224]the councillors are responsible for the international brand of Belfast[/quote:3917550224]

    They definitely shouldn't send themselves out then.
  202. avatar blistersonmythumbs
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  203. avatar tinpot anto
    At the expense of ATCMS no doubt.
  204. avatar Smitch
    I'm underage, steer clear.
  205. avatar Sauce
    Just found this thread last and have to say that it seems like a bit of a rip off to be honest, I was forwarded an email last night offering me the chance to include a track on a compilation that will go to SXSW.

    There was no upfront fee however there was an attached contract and section 4 of said contract read;

    [b:30ccbc37d0]4.

    Commission

    You will pay us 20% of all sums you receive from third parties
    pursuant to any agreement you enter into before 1 March 2012 for
    the placement of your music as a result of CLR’s contacts or efforts at
    SXSW.

    If you enter into a recording or publishing agreement before that date
    you will pay CLR 20% of any sums you receive in the initial period of
    that agreement.[/b:30ccbc37d0]

    So is there more than one company providing this service or is it a selected group of people etc.

    Any answers would be appreciated.
  206. avatar BinaryOperator
    What I meant there Blisters was that you must hold yourself in pretty high regard to make such comments. You came across as mocking people based on how much income they make from music, and seemed to be inferring from that that you were somehow superior as you made more "moolah" from your musical endeavours. You also seemed to being intentionally derogatory and dismissive to posters, like their opinion did not matter.

    "If I ran a business I'd say about how interested I was in providing a super service, when obviously it's all about the dollar."

    It is possible to make a living and be socially responsible (and not be a bastard). You don't need to lie to people.

    You know if I saw a loaf advertised in Tesco for £40 I would actually tell people, I'd take a picture and send it round with a "holy fuck look at this rip off, the bastards" kinda thing on it. You know, like maybe on the internet or something, sommat along the lines of "fuck me look at the tesco rip off. I'm sure some MUG will fall for that, maybe if we publicise and spread the word less people will be ripped off."

    Again though, being an optimist I do think this will all be cleared up. It's not like someone with a history of being sound wakes up one morning being a right bastard.

    Then again.
  207. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Yes this is all well and good but how does this affect [b:41a251f8c3][i:41a251f8c3]ME[/i:41a251f8c3][/b:41a251f8c3], a musician?
  208. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well, for just 150 [i:2ffdf2ecdd]YOU[/i:2ffdf2ecdd] too, a mere musician, could be included on a compilation CD, that could be given to people at some festival, I think.
  209. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Sauce, was that a local company?
    I'd also be keen to know what the going rate is on commission.

    Reason for the interest is that I've had a few people asking me what the averages and upfront fees are likely to be on the BF CD and others, upfront is a no no, but any income that can be directly linked to a placement somewhere on a CD / Roster list brought to SxSW should be up for debate... Only on the quality of the work that the person promoting it has done mind... 20% seems harsh though (on second thoughts, hence the edit)
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  210. avatar Sauce
    It was indeed a local company.

    The only mention of payment was section 4 - 'You will pay us 20% of all sums you receive from third parties pursuant to any agreement you enter into before 1 March 2012 for the placement of your music'

    I did email back with a few questions and was assured that it would not cost me or my band a single penny.

    I just thought I would let people know as I thought it was interesting that there was such a big difference in up front fee's from 2 different local companies.

    I'm sure someone will come along and clear everything up and then we can all go back to bed.
  211. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    I do hope you're not holding your breath.
  212. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    What's going on?





    No I mean in general, like.
  213. avatar Sauce
    Gotta get your kicks someway.
  214. avatar feline1
    [quote:44dd3b132a]Ok Feline1, way, way too far, to compare me to a sex offender. I have had several(clean) police checks done.[/quote:44dd3b132a]

    My dear fellow, I would like to make it absolutely clear, for the avoidance of any doubt, that I am not trying to imply that you are on the sex offenders register! My sincerest apologies if you or anyone else thought that.
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  215. avatar T Entertainment
    It's not worth getting too concerned about what the commission or whatever would be from a deal resulting from one of these compilations, because (screaming at the absolute top of my voice):

    [size=200]THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT ANY BAND - [b:e8b3f569d1]ANY[/b:e8b3f569d1] BAND - IS GOING TO GET A RECORD DEAL FROM A COMPILATION CD HANDED OUT UNSOLICITED AT A MUSIC INDUSTRY EVENT! OR 'MAKE A CONNECTION' WHICH WILL LEAD TO ONE! NO CHANCE! NEIN! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! FOR-FUCKING-GET ABOUT IT![/size]


    *breathes heavily, hands shake*
  216. avatar feline1
    T.ENts you only say that out of bitterness because if only you'd given Alumni Feedback's cassingle to Shep's Answering Machine when you should've, you could have been bigger than both Dana and Dana International put together :D :evil:
  217. avatar Sauce
    I think most people know there is zero chance of a band getting picked up because of one track on a comp. CD, most people would be more concerned with the fact that companies are taking grants to do this then trying to cream some cash off it, either by charging people to be on the CD or by taking commission.

    It would be nice for someone to come down among the great unwashed and explain the fee's etc but I think people either see themselves as above posting on this thread or have learnt from previous threads that often it gets worse if you acknowledge the thread and begin to post.
  218. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Is this the greatest line written on fastfude?


    [quote:1cdf3ed53d]THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT ANY BAND - ANY BAND - IS GOING TO GET A RECORD DEAL FROM A COMPILATION CD HANDED OUT UNSOLICITED AT A MUSIC INDUSTRY EVENT! OR 'MAKE A CONNECTION' WHICH WILL LEAD TO ONE! NO CHANCE! NEIN! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! FOR-FUCKING-GET ABOUT IT![/quote:1cdf3ed53d]

    I think so...
  219. avatar tinpot anto
    The main objection to this being, that you'd think a music industry professional like those in BF would be well aware of this before asking £150.
  220. avatar T Entertainment
    Yes. Yes, you would. But it takes all sorts, nowt so queer as folk, many a slip twixt cup and lip, cast ne'er a clout till May be out, and so on.
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  221. avatar tinpot anto
    When Moses came down from Mt Sinai with the 10 commandments, that statement was on the other tablet he dropped
  222. avatar T Entertainment
    One does feel rather like Sybil Fawlty, specialist subject The Bleedin' Obvious, when reciting it.
  223. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Haven't posted, nevermind looked at FF in a long while. Suppose people were glad to get rid of my obnoxiously cunt-ish self. But this is too good of a read to let it slip!

    I get why people say BF are simply doing what they have set out to do in the first place and so there is no incoherence, that is, making as much money as possible from other people's music. And I don't even think that the biggest problem here is the fact that not only they get public funding but they try to milk some money from some twat that is probably so stupid to deserve to be ripped off.

    To me, the real problem is that as much of a business BF might be, it has built its reputation and credibility which in turn has allowed them to really become one of the top players of the NI music 'scene'/industry on the premise that their goal was to promote and help develop bands and the local scene. When then they seem to be so unashamedly ready to shit all over the people/bands/'ethos' that have allowed them to get there in the first place, it really does cause a certain sense of disgust and betrayal.

    Mind you, it doesn't concern me. Not a musician and always thought the 'music business' is a load of shite to start with.
  224. avatar SHH
    Granted my mind may have gone astray while trying to divulge this whole thread again, but am I right to suggest BF are trying to coax a profit out of this venture on top of being backed by money from other avenues, which they themselves will not have to pay back?

    If this is the case, surely the fact no-one from BF has responded to this thread, shows a level of cowardice and ultimately, that they have been exposed? Shouldn't they be neutralising what is, without doubt, a threat to their business and future success?

    "Don't know if it's worth it" Jennie Wallace. - this country hasn't a massive media output bar perhaps ATL. There is no television network nor public access channel covering what happens locally as far as I'm aware. Forums, Facebook and the radio (to a far lesser extent) are what gets bands recognised and discussions happening in this country. Dismissing what is NI's largest forum without an official explanation to concerns is suicide in my own opinion.
  225. avatar iain
    [quote:08a14be859]just pointing out that teaching one person per week would mean I have a higher income from anything related to music than you[/quote:08a14be859]

    Don't speak too soon...interesting developments are afoot.
  226. avatar tinpot anto
    Are you releasing an exciting promotional compilation, which we all can have a chance to be a part of???
  227. avatar iain
    even more exciting. Although if you want to give me some money, I'll put in a good word for you
  228. avatar leesub60
    [quote:aac795a78e="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Suppose people were glad to get rid of my obnoxiously cunt-ish self.[/quote:aac795a78e]

    and yet...here you are.
  229. avatar Smitch
    150 quid for 15 tracks is what, 2 grand-ish? Minus costs of getting it produced and duplicated etc...

    Plus it's part funded by BCC...

    So, that's still a fair whack of profit right? I'm unaware of what SxSW costs. And did someone mention VISAs were free above?
  230. avatar iain
    £2250 as was mentioned in the very first post.
    £4500 if they get 30 sucker^wclients.

    The visa waiver is free, and you can enter the US for 90days on it to carry out business meetings etc without a visa if you're not actually earning money while you're there. It used to be the green form that was filled in on the plane, but they've combined it with the online ESTA process now.
  231. avatar Smitch
    So what do they have to pay for? Travel? Food? Accommodation and a ticket?. Most of that will probably be taken care of through the funding...
  232. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    You're forgetting to factor in that all important 'time for a few margaritas.'
  233. avatar iain
    [img:a95b200186]http://www.landsharksband.com/images2/Buffett_stuff/Margaritaville_logos/LSPlayMargaritavilleGarysNICE.jpg[/img:a95b200186]
  234. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:f0e5e18178]and yet...here you are.[/quote:f0e5e18178]

    What can I say, I am like a relapsed smack addict. But I promise I won't be as much of a cunt this time, people are starting to know who I am. Gotta watch my back, etc.
  235. avatar billyfyffe
    I don't see anywhere that the Belfast City Council have funded them for any of this. I say that it supports the cause. Saying that, if they are funding them, I dear say that it's not alot of money.

    To be able to get to and from, into SxSW, obtain visas and what not, it costs thousands of pounds to do. I think someone mentioned here about ¢4,500. So take that for flights and visas, add the CD and material costs and there you go. This is for one person. I'd assume they have a team going over.

    I think fair play to Bruised Fruits for trying something here and possibly making ground for some local music. As for the "no band will be signed because it's a COMPILATION CD" that's a load of balls. If a producor likes the band, he'll want to find out more about that, and seek further material and music which I'd assume Bruised Fruit would happliy provide.

    Think it's time for some people to get off their high horses and help out those TRYING to help out the local scene instead of being computer bandits and running everything down.
  236. avatar iain
    [quote:dfad1f8896]I don't see anywhere that the Belfast City Council have funded them for any of this.[/quote:dfad1f8896]

    ...

    [quote:dfad1f8896="the bruised fruit press release"]Thanks to the support of Belfast City Council, Bruised Fruit are able to attend SXSW in 2011[/quote:dfad1f8896]

    Are you suggesting that the support they refer to is moral support? "Go on, Bruised Fruit, you can do it, you know you can"
  237. avatar Pavel
    [quote:05d566bb47]I don't use twitter Pavel, but surely you'd be more than open to naming names if there were any getting behind fighting this cause you care deeply about. They'd surely get a lot of praise on here if they brought this any mainstream attention.[/quote:05d566bb47]

    ...why would I need to? (And really, you need to stop picking on poor oul' Twitter. It was a throw away social media reference that we've long since got past). Friendly communication is the real kick here, in all of its forms. We're not such a big community yet that we don't all know each other.

    As for your rather childish standpoint on 'showing you the money'...no. The whole point of my position is one of confidence here chief, I don't need to prove or feel in any way insecure enough to be goaded into making such claims of identity.

    That's sort of how it goes when you're "in the know", as you might say.

    ;)

    EDIT: I surprise myself with my cheek sometimes.
  238. avatar Smitch
    [quote:f82cfbc95a]To be able to get to and from, into SxSW, obtain visas and what not,[/quote:f82cfbc95a]
    Billy,

    [quote:f82cfbc95a]The visa waiver is free, and you can enter the US for 90days on it to carry out business meetings etc without a visa[/quote:f82cfbc95a]
  239. avatar Sauce
    In response to Billyfyffe as I mentioned earlier I received an offer from a local company to include a track on a comp. CD that would be going to SXSW. I emailed a few questions across the first of which was regarding funding;

    [i:cabc8e2e60]1. How is this trip being funded? Privately, by Belfast City Council or a combination of the two?[/i:cabc8e2e60] [b:cabc8e2e60]BOTH - We are not asking for a single penny & there is no catch. We know what we are doing unlike some other companies.[/b:cabc8e2e60]

    So the answer I was given (BOTH) would indicate that BCC have funded at least part of this venture, not sure about BF but it's more than likely to be the same sort of deal.

    To what extent it has been funded, I don't know. Is there anyway to check with the council?

    [edited for terrible grammar]
  240. avatar Cugel
    [quote:7c78ee037e]Is there anyway to check with the council?[/quote:7c78ee037e]

    [url=http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/belfast_city_council]Make a Freedom of Information request[/url]
  241. avatar tinpot anto
    £4000 isn't really an unrealistic amount to spend on sending 2 people to Austin in the middle of the biggest event of it's calendar.

    Thing is, any company I ever worked for would send you to conferences as an investment recouped by making useful contacts and promoting the company's work to new audiences. I'm sure if Invest NI funding or whatever was available they'd have it, but you'd still go and TAKE THE RISK.

    [snip]
  242. avatar Sauce
    Too true Anto.

    People need to man up and realize there is responsibility and risk with every venture, wither it be booking a band to play or going to a massive event to network and represent people.

    If your going to potentially benefit you need to admit you could potentially lose out, financially or otherwise.

    The thing that annoys me most is the 'I'm actually doing you a favor' attitude, if people were more up front and just said 'we're trying to make money/get this funded for by someone other than ourselves etc but we will try our best for you', it wouldn't seem like such a kick in the balls.
  243. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Did any keyboard warriors take John up on his Wetherspoons offer?
  244. avatar MICROLIP
    Lol Mickey, i was just thinking the same thing...
  245. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    240+ replies on this topic, a topic that can only be damaging for any fledgling company and still no official response from Bruised Fruit. I remember saying a couple of days ago that BF were showing the local scene contempt by not engaging in this conversation, when it was started and has been buoyed by musicians who have been approached to cough up for a place on this, now laughable, CD.

    There are serious discussions on going with some of our non existent hacks about the use of public money in this venture, conversations will no doubt include the use of the word Margarita.

    And BillyFyffe, it is utterly irrelevant how much public money is being spent, the fact that [b:c6b41b2573]any[/b:c6b41b2573] is being spent on such a charade is not on. There are thousands of publicly funded jobs on the line, cutbacks will wreak havoc on the arts sector in ways we have never seen before and the voluntary sector is being screwed relentlessly on how it spends every single penny. And here we are talking about a publicly funded trip for a local business that is [snip] 150 quid for a place on a home made CD and how tequila, triple sec and lime can help make very tasty cocktails.

    Ah, it could have all be cleared up so easily.
  246. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    Not that I care about all this beyond my own compulsive sadistic amusement but what magical transformation of the facts is supposed to happen when they come from a mouth?
  247. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    People could try for the truth, although I have heard that is very difficult.
  248. avatar JTM
    Mickeycolensoparade wrote: [quote:4746e0e5b7]Did any keyboard warriors take John up on his Wetherspoons offer?[/quote:4746e0e5b7]

    No, not a one. A couple of people looked at me funny but that's normal for Wetherspoons... Pavel, did you forget we had arranged to catch up at 7 or did you not see me? Not that I could tell anyone anything relevant to be honest, but I felt a need to allow for a debate on this and to tell people what I know in a public setting. I missed Arc Royale for a cider and a questionable burger. I'm a huge loser.


    Also the money for visas is if you're working. I don't know if people going out there to attend are exempt from that, but I don't think bands are. Strait Laces weren't when they went out to SxSW last year, and that was 3k in total for the three of them.

    EDIT: boarshead - It's easy to hide behind a keyboard, facts are more forthcoming when you can look a person in the eye.
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  249. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    I'm suddenly reminded of [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hpkP2mb4SA]this[/url]
  250. avatar Chi-Lite
    But none of the bands on the CD - i.e., those paying for the trip - will be going out there, unless the 150 fee includes your trip out to play a gig. now That would be helping the local music scene.

    And John, I'd imagine nobody met you for a debate about it because it isn't really anything to do with you. I can understand why you feel you have to get involved, and that's fair enough, but I'd imagine nobody really wants to speak to bruised fruit by proxy through you.

    I can also understand why Jennie would avoid a big fastfude ballicking session, as it is often better to ignore the mad bitching that goes on here at the best of times. I don't think it's neccessarily contemptuous, it often makes sense to ignore shite like this. But to be fair, at some point a business has to bite the bullet and do a bit of damage limitation. I think it would go a long way. and to be fair to people on this forum too, it generally only turns REALLY mad when the people in question just throw a completer wobbler, like your woman tina Calder did. A bit of measured response wouldn't go amiss at this stage, I don't think.
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  251. avatar The_Martyr
    I think Rick Wakeman was one of those keyboard warriors.
  252. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    [quote:d2f89cb6b8]People could try for the truth, although I have heard that is very difficult.[/quote:d2f89cb6b8]

    Yeah, fair play, go for it, but be real. Is it better for here if BF go to SXSW or if someone else goes in their place? I have no idea btw. You decide.

    [quote:d2f89cb6b8]EDIT: boarshead - It's easy to hide behind a keyboard, facts are more forthcoming when you can look a person in the eye.
    [/quote:d2f89cb6b8]

    Ah, I seriously doubt that. All research suggests otherwise.
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  253. avatar JTM
    Chi, that's a fair comment. I'm gonna duck behind the parapet again and leave you all to it.
  254. avatar Nature*Boy
    This has proved to be the most amusing thread i've read on FF since joining, and at +250 posts in five days it seems to have gone 'epic' also.

    Iain - you've provided me with numerous belly-laughs this week, thank you.
  255. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    I have to clarify, I have absolutely no problem with BF going to SxSW, I don't even have a problem with that being either funded in full or part, in fact the bigger the representation from NI that goes to SxSW the better, I know a few who are going, good luck and fair play to them. (EDIT- this does not begin to think about who is getting screwed in the cuts rounds or the apparent lack of shared expenditure and joined up thinking in general in the 'scene')

    My problem is the pay up front aspect of this BF venture. With other companies (as noted above) they ask for a % cut if you get anywhere with placement or a deal, again, that's (relatively, depending on the % and the work the promoter did to get the deal) okay but I would rather that the music on these CD's is something that the promoter can genuinely get behind and sell because they love it, not because they have sold real estate on a CD either up front or loaded to a deal they've sold to a band on spec, they might as well be selling carpet.

    I find it hard to believe people entering into agreements as suggested in either way on this thread will achieve anything in real terms, paying for it up front is pure lunacy. The fact that no one has the decency to come on to Fastfude and talk through their schemes is an insult to those who are being asked to fork out the money, many of whom are reading and or posting on this thread.
  256. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    On a finer point...

    This may be on interest to anyone visiting Austin this time round...

    [url=http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/468199]The best Cocktails in Austin, Texas[/url]
  257. avatar JTM
    < Head above parapet >

    Anto and myself had a quick Twit with some other musicians about the merit of a deal they were offered - you get put on a CD, albeit a so-called well connected one, but you have to give up 20% of your future earnings. The principle is the same. It is a gamble, unless you can [b:297465cf7f]prove[/b:297465cf7f] that any revenue earned came from said CD, which is nigh on impossible unless you conduct market research, ergo, it was always going to be a gamble. If not a worse deal, as you'd be signing away more than £150 over the course of your career...

    < / ducks >
  258. avatar T Entertainment
    Dude, what part of
    [size=200]THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT ANY BAND - [b:5b453fda8c]ANY[/b:5b453fda8c] BAND - IS GOING TO GET A RECORD DEAL FROM A COMPILATION CD HANDED OUT UNSOLICITED AT A MUSIC INDUSTRY EVENT! OR 'MAKE A CONNECTION' WHICH WILL LEAD TO ONE! NO CHANCE! NEIN! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! FOR-FUCKING-GET ABOUT IT![/size]

    don't you understand?
  259. avatar Sauce
    I'm with T.ents there is less than .00001% of actually getting anything out of a deal like this but just to make it clear...I was not interested in the deal I was offered as I believed 20% of future earnings was a little high for just compiling a CD.

    Hence the following question I had included in the email;

    5. [b:9d76799205]Please advise what services will your company be providing for the 20% commission? Is putting a track on a CD that will be taken to SXSW the end of your side of the bargain?[/b:9d76799205] [i:9d76799205]As above - We will be speaking directly with industry officials/licensing companies/labels/bookers/agents etc. It is extra exposure that you wouldn’t get by just having stuff online yourselves. Unless you are dealing directly with other labels. We are working on a big trust factor with bands to be honest if they are approached by any contacts after this trip. No cost or implications to your band.[/i:9d76799205]

    The answer didn't give me very much information so much like Dragon's Den...

    You want 20% equity for including a track on a CD...AM OUUUTTT!
  260. avatar sloppyjoe
    [quote:83a26bedbc="T Entertainment"]

    Dude, what part of
    THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT ANY BAND - ANY BAND - IS GOING TO GET A RECORD DEAL FROM A COMPILATION CD HANDED OUT UNSOLICITED AT A MUSIC INDUSTRY EVENT! OR 'MAKE A CONNECTION' WHICH WILL LEAD TO ONE! NO CHANCE! NEIN! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! FOR-FUCKING-GET ABOUT IT!

    don't you understand?
    [/quote:83a26bedbc]

    Aye, but ...

    [quote:83a26bedbc="Sauce's offer"]
    If you enter into a recording or publishing agreement before that date you will pay CLR 20% of any sums you receive in the initial period of that agreement.[/quote:83a26bedbc]

    ... which doesn't say anything about whether or not your good fortune can be attributed to your being on the CD.
  261. avatar S.D.B
    you do realise bruised fruits that you have jepordised any future funding for artists/bands who actually depend on this funding for the right reasons and not to sip margaritas at the bar .so i hope your fking proud of yourselve,s SHAME ON YOU :oops:
  262. avatar Pavel
    [quote:1b89e23047]Pavel, did you forget we had arranged to catch up at 7 or did you not see me?[/quote:1b89e23047]

    Misplaced my time John, apologies.
  263. avatar Gogs
    [quote:310be9224e]fair play to Bruised Fruits[/quote:310be9224e]

    My favourite thing that's come out of this thread so far. Bruised Fruits. :lol:
  264. avatar Nature*Boy
    Sour grapes.
  265. avatar Smitch
    Damaged Vegetables...
  266. avatar JTM
    My point was not that it is impossible to get a deal off the back of a compilation CD, yes, statistically it's unlikely in the extreme, but it's [b:cb01d3f0ce] extremely difficult to measure[/b:cb01d3f0ce] what if any impact a CD at a conference, or at any other time, will have. T-Ents, I know it's your birthday but there's no need to shout :-)

    Pavel - At least you tried, no worries.
  267. avatar Sauce
    Ass Grapes
  268. avatar Chi-Lite
    Look, let's get to the bones of it - of course its impossible to quantify what effect giving your CD to a hundred people at a music festival will have. People pay pluggers money to do just that. The thing is the plugger in question.

    For me the most obvious problems with all of this are the nature of the CD itself and the nature of Bruised Fruit as a management and promotion company with a roster of bands.

    If Bruised Fruit are going out to meet some specific people who are specifically interested in Bruised Fruit's opinion on the music scene, who knows - maybe, valuing Bruised Fruit's opinion, they'll dilligently listen to the recommendations by Bruised Fruit, whose judgement on musical matters they trust.

    However, that is completely different from Bruised Fruit going to meet some people, not to give them information on bands that Bruised Fruit fully support, prmote or manage - thus adding the value of Bruised Fruit's reputation - but to give them a CD full of some bunch of plebs who have paid money for the privelege of being on the CD AND WHO ARE ONLY ON THE CD BECAUSE THEY PAID THAT MONEY. I mean, common sense tells you that that's just silly. Even if there was some quality control, or if Bruised Fruit personally picked the bands that they thought showed most promise and were most likely to be noticed, it would be a different matter.

    But hawking round a CD that could have ANY OUL SHITE on it so long as somebody paid 150 is just a lot of ballix.

    And then there's Bruised Fruit's own bands that they manage and promote. Presumably Bruised Fruit will also be promoting THOSE bands at SXSW. The hypothetical conversation's been played out twice, but it's worth repeating.

    Bruised Fruit:
    "Hey guys, all you record company execs. Some of you might know us as Bruised Fruit, a management and promotion company that promotes and develops the finest bands in the North of Ireland. Here are some of our bands that we really think have potential to make it, that we invest our resources and time into. You should REALLY give these guys a listen, because we can GUARANTEE that they are going places. Oh, and while you're here, here's some bunch of pricks who paid us 150. No idea if they're any good or not, thay paid us the 150 so we're giving this CD to all you good people" ([i:ca0da3be87]Overhead shute opens, dispensing thousands of blank cds in plastic covers, a bit like the U2 ZooTv concert in Sydney, when Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car comes on and a load of monopoly money falls out[/i:ca0da3be87])

    It's just pish like, seriously. That's the main thing I would like clarity on. How can Bruised Fruit play on its reputation for promoting good music - the only value it will bring to the festival, to be honest, and the only thing that makes them different from you going out and doing it yourself - when it's hawking about a CD that was compiled purely on the basis of payment, and is, in all likelihood, fucking shite?

    It just doesn't make any kind of promotional or business sense.

    The only value of a company like Bruised Fruits lies with its contacts. The value of those contacts is purely determined by the extent to which those contacts will take recommendations from Bruised Fruit. For Bruised Fruit to be trying to sell something over which it has no quality control and which it wouldn't recommend off its own bat is a bit like getting an oul tramp to recommend bottles of somebody else's pish to passers by on the street. Even if he called it Eau da l'Estrang and put it in a nice bottle.

    Still pish
  269. avatar T Entertainment
    Correct. It's certainly a very novel form of 'innovation', viz CIIF.
  270. avatar ohmessylife
    Just out of interest, are there any local acts heading over to play SXSW this year?
  271. avatar Chi-Lite
    Strait Laces? Or will they just be on the compilation CD?
  272. avatar JTM
    Strait Laces aren't going this year.
  273. avatar Chi-Lite
    Will they be on the compilation CD?
  274. avatar JTM
    Your guess is as good as mine I'm afraid

    < /parapet >
  275. avatar Chi-Lite
    Haha, fair play.

    I wonder will they though.
  276. avatar mynameisdave
    I'm going this year and I'll be burning some CDs myself of other local bands that I like with the intention of giving said CDs to people who may be interested. As long as those bands agree to me doing it. But I certainly won't be charging any bands for the privelege, nor will I be asking for submissions.

    But that's just me and I know NOTHING about busimess....
  277. avatar tinpot anto
    Well if by "business" you mean spotting the opportunity to gouge money out of the gullible; as a whole host of cunts seem to think it does, then yeah. And fair play to you for it.
  278. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:457a9424a6]<cite>Chi-Lite</cite> wrote: Look, let's get to the bones... ...Still pish[/quote:457a9424a6]
    <p></p>
    Magnificent.
  279. avatar Smitch
    More Than Conquerors are heading over I believe...
  280. avatar Nocarsgo
    Rams' Pocket Radio are heading over as well.
  281. avatar iain
    [quote:db2edefca4]My favourite thing that's come out of this thread so far.[/quote:db2edefca4]

    My favourite thing is that I've got a film commission to do the soundtrack for with my "quirky little noise" so in your face blistersonmythumbsfromwankingtoomuch, who's making the moolah now, eh?
  282. avatar Chi-Lite
    Class, so the compilation CD worked then!

    We've all learned a lot from this, folks. The real winner in all of this is the Northern Ireland Music Scene!
  283. avatar tinpot anto
    Denver from SoniKDuB is reading this thread right now and wanking.
  284. avatar tinpot anto
    The other thing was I heard a couple of people in the "know" say the best way to do it is with an Ipod and a pair of decent headphones - if they want to listen then they can, right away - instant reaction yes/no. no ballicking about.

    Combine that with a smart phone with a dropbox app, and you can instantly email a full track to their inbox.

    happy days.
  285. avatar iain
    Yes, that sounds much more useful and cheaper, but once everyone is running around with ipods and headphones the novelty will have worn off and the execs will be avoiding them like the citizens of belfast avoid chuggers on royal avenue
  286. avatar tinpot anto
    Ah but if you are there at a prearranged chat about an artist, you say "I have some other artists you may be interested in - here have a listen"

    spot on.
  287. avatar 10rapid
    My new company is offering your band a chance to appear on my sxsw iPod for 160 each. It holds 10000 tracks so there's no end to the bands I can promote.
  288. avatar feline1
    Has anyone ever tried going to SxSW *naked*?
  289. avatar iain
    I don't know for sure, but some people go with bare faced cheek.

    ZING!
  290. avatar tinpot anto
    I have revised my thoughts entirely

    [revised] Bruised Fruit are a GBOL beyond compare and in no way a TBOC. I completely withdraw any remarks which may have inferred that giving someone £150 to get one track of YOUR music on a CD that noone will listen to is foolish. I forgot the near-magical power that BF hold in this regard. Paying to have your money on promotional CDs is the way to go. From now on all bands should only ever record one song, then sell all their instruments/cars/remortgage the house and BUY BUY BUY your way onto every promotional CD you come across! It's FUCKING STUPID NOT TO! [/revised]

    Oh and I think we are all assured of BF's quality as a PR company and nothing at all like this ridiculous little man from "White Label Records"


    [quote:3c0d53244b]
    To Whom It May Concern,
    It has come to my attention someone has posted on this forum spurious remarks without foundation. I am licensed by the Office of Fair Trading and I take it very seriously when false allegations are made, especially on the internet where it is difficult to track down slanderers. Any cause for just complaint should be made to me at the address on our website. Yours sincerely, Allan Robinson [Proprietor][/quote:3c0d53244b]
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  291. avatar Smitch
    Legal action?
  292. avatar iain
    Oh, I just worked out what TBOC means.That makes sense now.
  293. avatar rentaghost
    Pfft. £150 is nathin. Someone tried to charge me four grand once, for something similar.
  294. avatar tinpot anto
    You're a fool Karen, surely the more money you give the more you are GUARANTEED to get out of it?
  295. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Ah Anto, dear Anto.

    You're clearly talking to the same people I am.

    Wondrous.
  296. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    And me as well. If your friends in the medja can't help, threaten court action.
  297. avatar Sadoldgit
    Having just shelled out a big wad on 180gm vinyl, I`d recommend saving your £150`s and investing in releasing your material on that old fashioned format for the over 40 market.


    http://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/product/11/2683/

    I very much doubt too many under 25`s actually pay for their music these days given torrent sites and other ways of downloading illegally.
    Do any bands actually make much money from selling CD`s?
  298. avatar BinaryOperator
    Has someone been threatening court action over comments on this thread?

    Do tell.

    As someone who has been threatened with libel for till posting on the internet in the past I find this new development HILARIOUS.

    I had the opinion that BF would swedge in here and sort this all out by basically saying "no, no, all wrong we're dead nice and here's the craic" but threats of legal action? jaysus fuck.

    They've went from possibly being misinterpreted to being a TBOC. At least if that shiney new acronym stands for what I think it does.

    Or I could be wrong.

    Facts would sort that issue out....
  299. avatar Chi-Lite
    Total bunch of cunts, isn't it?

    As I understand there have been threats of libel, which seems ridiculous to me. I can't remember anything libellous being said. Luckily, my posts are still there, in which I ask the relevant questions and compare it to a bottle of pish. You can't call that libellous, and an answer to the particular questions would still be handy.

    You'd think a company like that would want to explain their product to a forum chocked full of potential customers, rather than threatening them with libel for questioning it. Or is it slander? Couldn't give a fuck.
  300. avatar bigO
    CGAF TBOC's
  301. avatar Chi-Lite
    Leave the Cathedral Quarter Arts Festival out of it!
  302. avatar BinaryOperator
    actually online on a Bulletin Board (or BB, like this one) it is more akin to Slander. There have been a couple of cases. Interesting reading. I can't really see how anything said here could result in a visit to court without a judge laughing it out. Nobody has categorically stated anything as fact, due to their being no input from BF.

    Again though the fact that this has been threatened over this ickle board that BF has stated nobody uses anymore (which funnily enough means they cannot sue for slander as they state nobody reads this board so how is their rep being tarnished? etc).

    If anyone has been threatened I would really like to know:

    threatened with what exactly?
    for doing what exactly?

    tbh I was well and truly on the fence with this shambles but I don't see anyone doing themselves any favours now. In fact they are digging a huge hole. I wonder if our own "biggest radio show in the country" would be interested in this? PAGING NOLAN!
  303. avatar sloppyjoe
    Margaritagate goes from bad to worse. Class.
  304. avatar tinpot anto
    I like margaritagate.

    I'm gonna steal that and put it on Twitter for you.

    BTW you owe me £150
  305. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    "factor in some time for Margaritas"
    lol - it is a lexical mullet.
  306. avatar feline1
    Did one of my comments just disappear?


    Anyways, the other day, the HMV at the end of my street cheeked me,
    and now they've gone bust and closed down.
    Just saying, like.
  307. avatar BinaryOperator
    Lexical Mullet is FUCKING GENIUS.

    Phrase of the day.
  308. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    So what actually happened then?
  309. avatar EWCraig
    [img:b6c15503ab]http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1689michael-jackson-heart-beat-it.jpg[/img:b6c15503ab]
  310. avatar whipchorus
    Not a patch on the Fastfude backslapping scene wankboys thread. Not even close.
  311. avatar iain
    How dare you! You'll be hearing from my lawyer!
  312. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Will the Irish News be hearing from someone's lawyer after today's issue?
  313. avatar T Entertainment
    Do you refer to this?

    [b:f26903c89f]As Belfast City Council prepares to hike its rates, council staff are once again preparing to attend the South by Southwest Music and Media Conference in Austin, Texas. The council is also paying for nine delegates from music-related enterprises, some of which it supports with other funding and one of which is charging 150 to include tracks on a sample CD it will give out at the event. The reason given for this annual trip is to showcase local bands and musicians in the hope of a big break with a major record label. Such a break would of course take all the profits out of Belfast shortly followed by the musicians themselves, so perhaps it is just as well the council offers no examples. The estimated cost of this expedition will be 45,000, equivalent to the combined annual rates collected from 60 average households.[/b:f26903c89f]
  314. avatar iain
    You mean a journalist wrote about it? Gosh. blisters was wrong *AGAIN*. 3rd time in one thread.
  315. avatar Biff
    I'm not an active member of the music community but I always thought that if you were good, if you were really good, then no matter where you are from they would come to you.
  316. avatar feline1
    lol keep dreaming, Biff lol
  317. avatar Hors D'oeuvres
    AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........

    What a hilarious little ditty. go on and realise that there's much more to existing than this....

    really funny, the "business scheme", argument, people getting annoyed etc...everything....


    love dan
  318. avatar penthouserehersal
    wow just returned to ff after a long break epic thread
  319. avatar ssmcmullan
    What a fun thread.