1. avatar clockwork29
    As we are a production company, that hire audio/lighting equipment, as a manager i try to give as much as possible to a band.
    When managing the band, i organise gigs,advertising,online promotion,meetings with venue managers,recording. But also, because we are an audio/lighting company i make sure you always have an audio engineer at every gig, to make sure your getting a professional sound every time, someone will be there to collect drinks/food/towels/shopping/cigerettes etc. will make sure each venue meets your requirements.
    This is all including in the price, accept any extra hires from clockwork stage productions of course, although maxium discount on all equipment hire will be avaiable.


    Basically i take bands on who are like yourself looking to really go somewhere and have their own unique sound.
    our management package includes
    *Band Management and band structure and planning * free *
    *Band promotion online and through out many venues through out NI * free*
    *venue and catering planning for each venue and gig *free*
    *professional band directing *free**lighting equipment for gigs *free*
    *audio equipment (set price per gig) depending on hires or not
    *professional audio engineer *free*
    *touring band manager to each gig


    All of this for just one down payment for the year of 100.00 (possible agreements
    And a payment of 50-75 a gig.
    The 50.00 per gig is a payment for

    Band manager, to make sure your gig runs smoothly
    someone to carry gear set up etc
    plug up back line
    Professional audio engineer for your gig
    Band manager to make sure the venue meets all your requirements
    Manager to, collect food/water/shopping/beer/cigs etc
    clean up make sure everyones safe home

    .TERMS AND CONDITIONS
    Once in agreement with a band manager,
    audio and lighting equipment must only be hired from clockwork audio
    audio engineers must also be clockwork audio crew ( as this is where our profit line is ) in your gigs

    depending on number of members of band, an agreement is made at what figure you would like to aim from, then which figure clockwork takes a % and what %, this will only happen once the band is making the agreed amount in term! for more info and a meeting with James Henderson Managing director of clockworkstage productions, get in touch via this email.
  2. avatar rawksheep
    PLease make it stop.
  3. avatar Chuffola
    Sounds fantastic! Where do I sign?
  4. avatar clockwork29
    Thank you for your interest a private message has been sent to you.
    James
  5. avatar goatboy
    Actually..... forget it.
  6. avatar Chuffola
    Oh dear. It seems that my attempt at sarcasm went over someone's head.

    Scared to check my PM...
  7. avatar johnnym88
    My first post!
    I have so many questions...
  8. avatar spirit of division
    ha.
  9. avatar drummer101
    You should post this on MetalIreland.com im sure there's lots of bands there who would love a manager.
  10. avatar goatboy
    I'm sure people on Metal Ireland can find there own people to pay to get them fegs from the shop.
  11. avatar Fuzz89
    derp derp.
  12. avatar sixtypeoplemark2
    Sounds like that old 'Pay to Play' chestnut again....verrry suspect arrangement indeed. Anyway, aren't most bands perfectly capable of - to use his terminology - 'plugging up(??)' their own backline? To quote: "audio and lighting equipment must only be hired from clockwork audio" - an 'interesting' way of doing business. Regarding sound engineers, most self-respecting live venues worth playing will normally provide a competent sound engineer free gratis. I could go on tearing holes in this but...you get the picture.

    Wouldn't touch this one with a barge pole - or a mic stand, whichever comes to hand:O
  13. avatar alternation
    fizzy fuckin cola bottles...

    etc.
  14. avatar abze
    Meh. Apart from the obvious, if you saw an advertisement reading as badly as this, would you pay it any heed? Maybe you would if you imagined Barry Scott shouting the text at you.

    Apart from that, did Herr Roger not tell y'all to take out an advert?

    And yes/nay, I am a naysaying music-scene hater.

    And yes:

    [quote:4335e22dc5]Band Manager avaiable, with access to audio and lighting production company ( clockwork stage productions ni)
    www.clockworkstageproductionsni.com )
    available for local and up coming bands based in uk, ireland,
    professional [b:4335e22dc5]and nothing to pay[/b:4335e22dc5]
    hire of audio and lighting equipment avaiable through clockwork
    get in touch via email for more info, thanks[/quote:4335e22dc5]

    [url=http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=44735]meh.[/url]
  15. avatar tinpot anto
    [b:26636a3bd3]SHOVE THIS UP YOUR FUCKING HOLE.
    [/b:26636a3bd3]
  16. avatar Millsy_Kobi
    Just to add to this, I e-mailed when the post first appeared out of interest.

    The guy replied basically listing all they do etc

    So I sent a further e-mail asking for examples of recordings that they had done using the time in their proffessional studio using their audio engineers and examples bands that they have managed in the past with examples of their levels of success etc. I am yet to receive a reply.

    Clockwork can you post some examples up here for us or reply to my e-mail and I will pass this info on?

    Thanks,
    Jamie
  17. avatar Chi-Lite
    I think it sounds fair enough. Actually quite cheap for a bunch of roadies/soundguys/dogsbodies.

    Can I pay yous just to follow me about carrying stuff?
  18. avatar Strong Reaction
    Anyone who falls for this deserves all they get.
  19. avatar JTM
    404 Facepalm Image Macro Not Found, contact your administrator with error code "Your Business Model"
  20. avatar die the flu
    Chill out folks, to quote from one of his old posts, I'm sure he's just seeking "a side line pipe line to the puplic".

    Whatever the fuck that is.
  21. avatar Thedevilsfavouriteson
    Words fail me, what's free when you've a down payment to make?catering management for each gig?!yeah a chip or a kebab those will need managed. Your right tho as a dumb ass musician I still haven't figured out how to plug in my backline.

    Also were lucky to get £50 a show which goes back into the band not to some prick who went to the shop.

    Saunter on the squire!
  22. avatar TheJaneBradfords
    In fairness its not *that* expensive in terms of having a soundman but there are a lot of VERY talented young soundmen in Belfast who do gigs for bands because they believe in them / want more experience and many of them do it for free/beers.

    As has been said, sometimes bands are lucky to get £50 for a show!
  23. avatar deejill
    to be fair i bought a piece of gear a while back from james and he seemed straight forward enough. on the face of it there are charges on charges here plus a percentage plus glaring oddities and non sales points like 'band structure and planning for free' (come on james you can do better than this). however, if clockwork orange are going to get better paid gigs (the £50 might turn out to be an investment rather than an burden if everyone else comes away with a well paid gig) then it starts to look different. also, if the percentage applied starts AFTER a certain threshold (like 10% AFTER the first £500) then that's fair enough. not sure about the equipment hire. you'd have to read the small print VERY carefully on that.
  24. avatar hostageparty
    Does anyone actually know any decent people who would be interested in 'managing' (I hate that word) a local band - as regards gig bookings, support slots, mini tours, promo, press, internet sites and promotion, merchandise and cd stuff etc

    Not really after a 'manager' as in I want to make it big all over the world, be on magazine covers and be a huge cock, but I would be willing to pay someone to help us gig more and better gigs, get more and better promotion so that we can focus on being a better band - instead of wasting my time on sites like this :) begging you scumbags to come to my gigs :D *JOKE* :P

    Seriously? Anyone we know do this sort of thing?



    Hostage No. 2
  25. avatar Jimmy Seagus
    Can your management company liaise with your I.T. section and get the comma button fixed on your computer keyboard?
    It's fucked.

    I like the [i:5b59a84a7f]collecting shopping[/i:5b59a84a7f] idea, though, that's a novel approach. Wouldn't you be better sorting out the band's rider instead of delivering groceries?
    It's like rock'n'roll [i:5b59a84a7f]bob-a-job[/i:5b59a84a7f] week.
  26. avatar EWRyan
    Maybe my band is just shite (hopefully not!), but 50 a gig is mad - we've made over 20 quid in a gig maybe 6-7 times, and that's with 50+ gigs under the belt.

    Unless this is for tribute or cover bands - wankers in bars don't seem to have a problem paying for them as opposed to bands playing their own material. But hey, that's a rant about the scene best saved for another time.
  27. avatar Thedevilsfavouriteson
    To be honest there's nothing this guy seems to be offering that with a bit of effort you can't do yourself.
  28. avatar tinpot anto
    Read this again people

    £100 "down-payment" per year. WTF?
    £50-75 per gig, which gets you sound man, but not necessarily the equipment, which you must only hire from Clockwork
    [quote:00d963e605]*audio equipment (set price per gig) depending on hires or not[/quote:00d963e605]

    PLUS a percentage, if you make enough money that the £50-75 or whatever doesn't matter.
    [quote:00d963e605]
    depending on number of members of band, an agreement is made at what figure you would like to aim from, then which figure clockwork takes a % and what %, this will only happen once the band is making the agreed amount in term![/quote:00d963e605]

    So say out of a £500 gig, that's -£50 for soundman/crew, -£100 for PA "hire", and say 20% of what's left (-£70)

    That's a total of £280 for you out of £500 (>40% cut) on top of £18 a month whether you get a gig or not?

    If the gig pays £200, then -£150 is a whole lot more.

    And are we confident that Clockwork Orange have the skills and professionalism needed to land a band gigs that pay this much?

    Are we?

    lol
  29. avatar JTM
    I would be very happy to "manage" a band until they got a proper one. Seriously. I'll do it for free*
  30. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Good morning Tuesday.

    I've just popped the kettle on, this thread will cheer me right up. One question though, can I arrange these kind's of fee's for photography (www.punksatonyphil.com - PLUG CLASS:/SHAMELESS/) or should I pass go and give Ms Calder a call? Do carry on, this is the one to watch this fine morning.

    Also, well said Anto, succinct as usual!
  31. avatar ladedadedumdeda
    Last places?

    Who are the ones that have signed up?

    Any referees?
  32. avatar feline1
    For £50 a gig I would expect at least 3 lines of coke and a top class hooker in my dressing room
  33. avatar rawksheep
    If you read the small print, he is happy to do this...on the condition he snorts two of the lines of coke and has first dibs with the hooker.
  34. avatar tinpot anto
    [img:691145adbf]http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/731/731095/thesimpsons-margevsthemonorail_1157690485.jpg[/img:691145adbf]
  35. avatar thesneakybandit
    oh this is going to be another epic thread!

    i own a pa, can plug in a guitar and buy fegs and sandwiches. someone for the love of god give me hundreds of pounds and i'll also remove all the brown m&m's for you!

    if YOUR not, convinced, like I CAN aLSO types like dis ffs.
  36. avatar omercymercyme
    Hold on...does the fee include removing the brown M&Ms from my dressing room bowl?
  37. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    This really sounds FAR too good to be true.


    WHERE IS THE CATCH??

    :D
  38. avatar rudedoodle
    "Band Manager Available: Last Places" is the back print on my "Tina Caulder's BAND WARS" tshirt.
  39. avatar EWRyan
    @omercy For that cash, I'd want just one colour, and all the others removed!
  40. avatar Cannycanizares
    Another great thread is developing - I may as well make the most of it then - Canizares are looking for a new drummer. Were 3/4's of the way through recording our second album and we have some demo's up on our myspace. Check us out at http://www.myspace.com/canizares.

    Were doing it all ourselves in our own studio so theres no costs involved as we are our own managers and studio engineers etc (and everything else, come to think of it)

    So if you are a purveyor of fine DIY, then you'll fit right in.

    Send us a PM or contact us via myspace

    Cheers

    Neil
  41. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:6b9249e07f]-£50 for soundman/crew[/quote:6b9249e07f]

    Surely its not soundman/crew/manager, its just one person with a classic case of triple billing?
  42. avatar BOOZEHOUND
    [img:d670fabb28]http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q301/boozehound132/ike_where_this_thread_is_going-vi.jpg[/img:d670fabb28]

    if you want I can send you Joe Maginns number. spend 15 minutes talking to him, see how badly a band needs a manager then.
  43. avatar feline1
    Joe McGinn, sick in a bin?
  44. avatar EWCraig
    This here thread stinks o' pussy farts.
  45. avatar izzys_return
    I like how said manager is so on top of things he is dropping in this thread occasionally to stick up fer himself.

    Perhaps a breakdown of how much you can guarantee a band wouldbe an idea. Perhaps say how you aren't just trying to rape local foolswith guitars and such? Perhaps look at the fact if a band gets a free beer outta a get they be happy! Where the fuck would I get 50 a gig, I wanna know!
  46. avatar clockwork29
    I just read and laugh, dont give two fucks what you guys think, the poeple who are wanking away to soft porn on their mothers sofa im helping out, go get yourselves another bowl of cheesy puffs, and leave threads alone that dont concearn you.
    I dont have time to run a business, have a young family and have petty arguements with you lot,
    This is just like the ma nelsons thread when people are trying to help, dont judge, dont comment before you have proof.
  47. avatar clockwork29
    I appologise for my spelling in a rush lol meant to say, im not helping out

    the poeple who are wanking away to soft porn on their mothers sofa im (NOT) helping out,
  48. avatar tinpot anto
    What about people not wanking on their mother's sofa?
  49. avatar T Entertainment
    "This is just like the ma nelsons thread when people are trying to help"

    Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
  50. avatar papaul
    [quote:457cb4bec4]dont give two fucks what you guys think[/quote:457cb4bec4]

    Aren't the guys on here your potential market? Shouldn't you be answering questions and doing your best to give them confidence in your idea? All people know about you so far is from previous threads where people have complained that you don't respond to any enquiries, and you didn't even address those complaints. I personally think you're trying to do too much at once, pick one thing (like live sound) and get good at it and build a good reputation, then when you've mastered it offer another service (like promotion) and do the same thing again.
  51. avatar clockwork29
    Papaul, thanks really much for your comment, it was up lifting. And i understand what you mean.
    Although our company has been running for some time, and we have 11years experience.
    We started out as an audio/lighting company, and worked on several tours, and have worked with many big names on stage/theatre and in the music world.
    In the back round i was, doing a little stage management and band management and have always been a theatrical ligthting designer.
    To be honest i dont really care about fastfuders as there is more people on here to just rip people apart than actually to talk music.
    We have our customers and our bands that we work for, but if they get offered a deal or promotion i choose to let people on fast fude know about them to.
    If your interested get in touch, if it doesnt suit or stand out to you well ignore it.
    Thank you.
  52. avatar tinpot anto
    Haha. So your promotion of your acts involves posting their availability on Fastfude?
  53. avatar abze
    [quote:ebb76d2cde]dont comment before you have proof.[/quote:ebb76d2cde]

    How's about an answer to the multitude of "I emailed Clockwork Orange and didn't hear anything back" posts?


    [quote:ebb76d2cde]We have our customers and our bands that we work for[/quote:ebb76d2cde]

    Ha.
  54. avatar feline1
    why is this guy called c0ckwork69 anyways? Does he also manage strippers?
  55. avatar clockwork29
    TINPOT - I DONT NOT ONLY ADVERTISE ON HERE, WHATS IT TO YOU, HOW DOES IT EFFECT YOU AND UR WISE CRAICS

    ABZE - CLOCKWORK STAGE PRODUCTIONS NI NOT ( CLOCKWORK ORANGE ) THATS A FUCKING BOOK AND A MOVIE WISE GUY READ THE FUCKING WORDS AND SHUT YOURS, READ THE NAMES ORANGE HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED ACCEPT BY YOU DUMP SHITES

    FELINE - YOU SAID "WHY IS THIS GUY CALLED CLOCKWORK 69" DO I MANAGE STRIPPERS,
    YOU TIRED FELINE? OR U JUST FUCKIN BLIND, THE NAMES CLOCKWORK 29 NOT 69 AFTER MY SONS BIRTH DAY. SO U SHUT IT N ALL
  56. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    This, above, is entirely typical of the kind of professionalism I expect, nay, demand of my management. Sign me up.

    Anyway: Yourself and the bould Ms. Calder have the same problem: A profound inability to understand why anyone would question what you offer, or have the temerity to enquire as to what benefit is provided for the cost involved. It's no way to run a business of any kind, frankly. At the absolute least, it makes you look fucking silly, and at worst, actively toxic. Citing your past work means nothing, either, without giving some tangible examples.

    And, quite honestly, I doubt you'd be up to much dealing with any of the human-related issues associated with gigging in the meatspace when you can't hack a few simple questions and a bit of guff on an internet forum without pissing your nappy and guldering like an infant.
  57. avatar tinpot anto
    Mate, at the time of posting you had placed posts asking for gigs for acts on your *ahem* roster ON FASTFUDE.

    But still you are correct you don't *advertise* on here at all you abuse a free service to promote a commercial business. Perhaps contacting Roger to arrange professional advertising for your business might be much more effective that innumerable badly spelled and poorly conceived posts, it might even go someway to giving your business a more professional image.

    No point getting antsy about your treatment. You broke a well-established and simple rule:

    NO PAY TO PLAY

    This practice will NEVER be left unchallenged.
  58. avatar alternative192
    Good try clockwork, back to the drawing board, what's next ? Stage production and fan/groupie hire?
  59. avatar EWRyan
    I'd rather not give silly amounts of money to someone who find ALL CAPS synonymous with seriousness. Or on that note, someone who actively insults commentators, some asking genuine questions.

    To be fair, maybe I'm just a dump shite.
  60. avatar spirit of division
    This guy sounds like a tool.
  61. avatar EWCraig
    To be honest Clockwork89, in my opinion of course, you are indeed a majestic numpty and yay be it heard that we here associate you with the pitiful scum who rove in the sewers trying to take precious gold of us hard working bands.

    Perhaps ye needy get awah tey fuck and find something te do rather than scam us ya doorteh hallion!
  62. avatar PunksatonyPhil
    Ha, 3.54 am and everything in CAPS.
    Yes, probably seemed like a good idea at the time.

    Why not actually try to answer the serious questions in the thread rather than SHOUTING, albeit like a spoilt child who's just shit himself, at those who make a joke of your 'professionalism'?

    And while I'm on it, what in the sweet fuck does "I DONT NOT ONLY" mean??? Eh?

    DontPetABurningDog - Well done for Temerity, you don't see that on forums very often.
    Especially at 5.30 in the morning. Good Job!
  63. avatar Millsy_Kobi
    Fuck me when I first read this I thought he meant 50-75 per gig [b:b47c370216]for the bands[/b:b47c370216] i.e he would negotiate in some way that you would get 50-75 per gig. I really need to work on my attention to detail.

    When I e-mailed originally I was actually asking about gear for the Grindhouse and tagged my questions about this on to the end. I have still to get a reply containing answers to those questions..........
  64. avatar tinpot anto
    He MUST be just a troll like.

    Serious.
  65. avatar Strong Reaction
    I admire him.
  66. avatar sunburst
    Me too. I admire his child-like optimism that no-one would see through, or even question, his "deal". I really do enjoy his child-like spelling and his Yoda-on-acid syntax.

    In his defence, a quick shifty on his company's website reveals that they have been responsible for none other than the following:

    A St Patrick's Day Celebration in Bangor
    An Ulster Scots Event

    Both, mind!
  67. avatar sloppyjoe
    Clockwork, when you mentioned the Ma Nelson's thread you were probably thinking of flightstrip's recent one. But the pattern developing here is more like the original Tinagate topic. You've come on here, not for the first time, making vague claims about having years of experience with big name acts. But when anyone asks you to be more specific and drop a few names, you come over all bashful. If you really have the chops you claim, why don't you want to share? You could just give a few specifics and if they live up to your spiel then everyone would stop slabbering and let you get on with business. In refusing to answer questions, you make yourself look evasive and therefore untrustworthy. It's the same thing you did a while ago on that pyrotechnics thread you started. Pyro is a dangerous thing that needs to be done by qualified people, but when anyone tried to find out what your credentials were, did you post them up in full view, advertising your skills like a genuine operator? No. You tried to get them into an offline exchange.

    And here you go again: years experience, blah blah, tours, blah blah, big names, ... And when anyone wants details, your only response - like Tina's - is to get on your high horse and start accusing them of only being here for mischief, being unprofessional, getting in the way of business. You think - or you pretend to think - that anyone who questions your ability to provide what you're selling is just acting out of malice, but that's not true at all. It's just that the nature of your offerings and your unwillingness to discuss specifics make you look like a chancer, and the group instinct is to call you out and warn other people off. If you can't learn to respond to criticism like a professional, you will never convince any but the most naive potential customers to bite. And your chances of geting any trade out of this forum will be next to zero. You are well on your way to becoming the new Tina Calder.
  68. avatar Bileofwood
    Is this the same James from 13Thirteen productions?
  69. avatar unplugged
    pure rip. cant believe the terms for bands.

    In my personal opinion: People like this guy are not here to help any bands its to make cash to line his pocket as quickly and easily as possible.
    He even said so in not so many words in one of the replies about feeding the kiddies. Ill add some of your comments are not only truly unprofessional...but were also a bit over the top with talks of wanking while eating a bag of cheese puffs. i mean with talk like that i doubt you could manage a doorsteps sandwhich never mind a band.

    get te fuck. its like an ad at the back of the sunday sport.
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  70. avatar unplugged
    pure rip. cant believe the terms for bands.

    0eople like this guy are not here to help any bands its to make cash to line his pocket as quickly and easily as possible. he even said so in not so many words in one of the replies about feeding the kiddies. Ill add some of your comments are not only unprofessional...but were also a bit over the top with talks of wanking while eating a bag of cheese puffs. i mean with talk like that i doubt you could manage a doorsteps sandwhich never mind a band.

    get te fuck.
  71. avatar feline1
    Cockwork69 has cheeked me, in BLOCK CAPITALS to boot. I hope he gets cancer.
  72. avatar Ashfall
    Two words.

    Dump shite.

    <img src=http://www.pilotrock.com/trash_recycling/images/06/DogBinChute.jpg>
  73. avatar flightstrip
    Im keepin outta this though i will say that i met james and hes a nice guy!
    Feline1,this gig may interest u:
    [img:645db8ab08]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs468.snc4/50356_132773126776882_5589085_n.jpg[/img:645db8ab08]

    oops Edit:---(shouting...THIS FUCKING GIG MAY BE OF FUCKIN CUNTIN INTEREST TO U FELINE1...shakes jowls and says "Pah,Pah,Pah"...etc..)
  74. avatar Rosemary St Books
    [quote:2d82c68678]TINPOT - I DONT NOT ONLY ADVERTISE ON HERE, WHATS IT TO YOU, HOW DOES IT EFFECT YOU AND UR WISE CRAICS

    ABZE - CLOCKWORK STAGE PRODUCTIONS NI NOT ( CLOCKWORK ORANGE ) THATS A FUCKING BOOK AND A MOVIE WISE GUY READ THE FUCKING WORDS AND SHUT YOURS, READ THE NAMES ORANGE HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED ACCEPT BY YOU DUMP SHITES

    FELINE - YOU SAID "WHY IS THIS GUY CALLED CLOCKWORK 69" DO I MANAGE STRIPPERS,
    YOU TIRED FELINE? OR U JUST FUCKIN BLIND, THE NAMES CLOCKWORK 29 NOT 69 AFTER MY SONS BIRTH DAY. SO U SHUT IT N ALL
    [/quote:2d82c68678]

    Wow.

    That is all.

    Will you be my Da?
  75. avatar flightstrip
    but surely IM YER DA!? 1988,carrick high,bike shed,mars bar,cream pie....ask yer ma (*)
    (if theres any doubt i'll fuckin Jeremy Kyle ye!)












    (* Disclaimer:At no time have I ever copulated with the mother of a book store whilst sober.I dedicate this post to my 3 lovely children ,Wind In The Willows,War And Peace and ,not forgetting the apple of my eye,The Concise Oxford English Dictionary...daddy loves u all.x)
  76. avatar Bileofwood
    Awesome. Creampie. Love it.
  77. avatar BOOZEHOUND
    he really IS Joe MaGinn:O !!!
    away with ye!
  78. avatar Pavel
    This is quite hilarious - especially a mere few months on from Tina Calder's Iliad-esque, blockbusting, heart-winning example of how not to conduct a conversation.

    They say don't write stories if you can't spell, and don't think you are and therefore am before you do. Take a branch or five from the ripe oul' tree of 'transparency' and accept all comment and question about your work openly; otherwise you just look like a massive bullshitter.

    ...or you know, don't.

    We'll enjoy ourselves at your character's expense regardless.

    And I fucking feel sorry for the poor (perhaps unknowing) soul who comes along in another few months to create the hat-trick of own goals by this commercial pocket-lining breed that seem all too prominent within our midst - like a malignant cancer, draining, feeding and sucking the life out of the surrounding good tissue; eventually disrupting its functions until it can no longer exist.

    You need to be dispelled.
  79. avatar franchise.
    My first post!
    He is 19 years old according to his Facebook. This means that he's been working as a lighting designer from the age of 8. I was still playing with Action Man when I was 8 years old. He left school at 16 too, so that would make even working on a school play to a decent ability difficult.

    Also, for someone making you pay for online advertising, 27 friends on Facebook isn't a good start.

    Personally I think he could manage Louis Sammiges pretty well.
  80. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    How did this work out for everyone involved?
  81. avatar Adam MD
    I'm going to guess nobody signed up.
  82. avatar BOOZEHOUND
    I did...I made loads of money (which they spent) and now live in a bin behind Days Hotel.
    there's a lesson to be learned here, but i'm fucked if I can see it...:(