1. avatar Belfast Music Scene
    I don't know about you but I am sick of shitty music being signed by major labels. There is so much unsigned talent out there. However, major record labels wont touch them as they think there is no interest. Lets prove them wrong. Our generation shouldn't have to be remembered for shit music when there is much awesome awesome unsigned stuff out there. Join this facebook group http://www.facebook.com/pages/Join-to-get-a-local-unsigned-music-show-on-television/116705345054129 to help convince a television broadcaster to put on a program showcasing unsigned talent. Spread the word as much as you can as the more 'likes' we get the better the chance they can see the demand from people to change all the shit being signed in the music industry. Any help to change this unjust representation of our generation's music would be much appreciated. And feel free to say a big "F*uck you!" to the Man.
  2. avatar Millsy_Kobi
    Excellent Idea, will be liked by myself and will spread the word to eeryone else!
  3. avatar flmcasey
    did they not already do this? it was called 'live at the limelight' and it only lasted a few episodes.
  4. avatar Belfast Music Scene
    Yeah, I remember that show but in my opinion, it was shit. It only ran in one club and showed little talent. I've a similar idea to give them but I think it's an improved idea. For example, on the program show the real trouble and/or uplifting events unsigned bands go though before and after gigs, go to practices, different clubs, talk to fans and have bands play in television studio, interview them etc Advice them the type of camera work used, basically not fixed in one spot. It has the potential to be an awesome and fun show. To show the REAL unsigned scene. Got to at least try, it'll be so shit if all this completely awesome unsigned bands coming out just disappear, it would suck.
  5. avatar danbastard
    Nice one, good luck.
  6. avatar JTM
    AU had a good show on NVTV - Kick Out The Jams it was called.
  7. avatar thesneakybandit
    See the attitude in this city and/or country is all a bit fucked up. People aren't really sure of what they want.

    You can't be running around shouting "fuck the man" while at the same time expecting to produce a TV show on what will likely be a commercial station.

    I'm not saying it's a bad idea. If anything, it's a bloody good one and with the right team behind it could piss all over that Live at The Limelight debacle.

    There's just too much emphasis around Belfast and Norn Iron on the small, the local and the unsigned. Do we not all have ambitions to be bigger and better?
  8. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    I don't understand all this carrying on. If you don't like the output of major labels, just don't listen to that stuff. You know, there are independent record labels too. Bands could quite easily go down that road if they really want to have some sort of deal.
  9. avatar Ric_vdb
    You seem to have a clear opinion on which bands are 'shit', and which bands deserve a much bigger reputation - so this would be less a show exhibiting unsigned music in Belfast, and moreso a showcase of the unsigned bands in Belfast that you think are class. In terms of the "awesome unsigned stuff out there" can you give some examples of the local bands that you have in mind? Just so people aren't signing this petititon, while potentially disagreeing with you on whether or not certain bands deserve bigger things.
  10. avatar kick out the jams
    Thanks for the mention JTM!

    Most of our programmes are online at

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kickoutthejamsnvtv

    We're still going but we only do the programme in our spare time at work which we haven't had much off in the past 6 months or so (note the terrible title sequence which mentions a load of defunct bands such as Zombie Safari Park and Acidtone...remember them??!!). But we have recently released a great session with Neil Hannon.

    <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6kRip2ydP3U?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6kRip2ydP3U?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
  11. avatar Belfast Music Scene
    No worries man, I understand. There are loads of bands out there but I have only heard the ones and some others which have contacted me. Ones which have contacted me I've been so impressed with the talent I really want to try to propose this television program on Belfast's music scene. Obviously can't name them all but bands like, The Dead Presidents, 99 Miles of Bad Road, Black Freeway, Pocket Billards, Jham Band, Signed by Jeff, Rab McCullough's Blues Band and more acoustic bands like Chris Keys and Paul Tully. All awesome stuff. If there are bands you think I should hear by all means let me know at blastfm.musicscene@live.com The current Belfast music scene is bursting with great talent but sadly being unnoticed by major labels who can make them big bucks. The major labels seem to only want to manufacture there own bands or singers and leave the bands like I've mentioned to just disappear. I personally think it's a disgrace. Come on, lets get as many numbers as we can. Tell your friends, your family, your dog! Anyone to get those numbers up. Gonna send the proposal to a television broadcaster and need those numbers to convince him. Lets do this. We will do this!!! Here's the link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Join-to-get-a-local-unsigned-music-show-on-television/116705345054129?ref=mf
  12. avatar T Entertainment
    I genuinely miss Live At The Limelight :(
  13. avatar S.D.B
    cant believe knowones mentioned suicide dolphin bombers my songs lyrics and melodys wipe the floor with most bands mentioned above..just saying
  14. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    I miss Katie Larmour.

    [img:f96319b545]http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00075/fiona_75749t.jpg[/img:f96319b545]
    [i:f96319b545]Mickey from Colenso Parade getting close with Katie, yesterday[/i:f96319b545]
  15. avatar Daveitferris
    katie is lovely.
  16. avatar S.D.B
    suck a dolphin dick
  17. avatar T Entertainment
    I think we'd all pay to see that, or sign a Facebook page in support thereof.
  18. avatar tinpot anto
    I have been priveleged to hear the work of the Suicide Dolphin Bombers under the production prowess of Mr Owen Morris and Lo, it is good.
  19. avatar JTM
    A lot of the local bands I like are currently "signed" to their own DIY outfits or labels like Richter Collective, Smalltown, Furious Tradesmen, etc.

    Rather than "unsigned", I'd rather see acts from these sort of stables.
  20. avatar S.D.B
    big yeooooooooooooos and manhugs to anto ;)
  21. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    I love the fact the Dolphin Bombers thing was true. It is so class.
  22. avatar my-angel-rocks
    To be perfectly honest, I neither know or care about the bands that the major labels are signing. They ceased to be in any way relevant to my life years ago. If you're sick of it, then just don't pay attention to them. You'll be a lot happier.
  23. avatar Belfast Music Scene
    [quote:12947daf58]If you're sick of it, then just don't pay attention to them. You'll be a lot happier.[/quote:12947daf58]We shouldn't just put are heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. We should take a stand together, in the words of rage against the machine, "take the power back!" damm straight
  24. avatar my-angel-rocks
    Why? You're not taking the power back by asking the major labels to sign bands you like, you're giving them more power.

    Case in point: a major label signed Fighting With Wire. What has happened to Fighting With Wire? They're now going to be playing songs written by the guys who wrote songs for Westlife and Michelle McManus. Woo.

    Fuck the major labels. If you don't like what they're doing then why care about what they do?
  25. avatar Belfast Music Scene
    I personally believe, the major labels have better contacts to advertise and get bands out there. They supply what they think there is a demand for. I believe, there is a major demand for better live bands. We just got to let them know about this demand. So, lets do it.
  26. avatar drummer101
    Who needs better live bands when we have Lady Gaga?
  27. avatar my-angel-rocks
    There's really not a demand in the numbers the major labels are looking for. They are looking for bands that sell out 10,000 seater venues, not bands that struggle to fill the bunker. Why do you think most local bands struggle to get people to their gigs and tribute bands pack out the Empire every night? Because there is not a demand for better live bands.

    From your facebook page:

    [quote:b8d69f7844]It might be a hard target but 1000 people wanting the same thing would make it hard for the the television broadcasters to say no.[/quote:b8d69f7844]

    This is possible the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I've been in a product meeting looking at the most insane slides I've seen in 10 years of computer programming. You don't seem to realise that broadcasters are looking for viewing figures in the millions, not the high hundreds? Why do you think ATL TV was taken off the air? Or UTV@The Limelight?
  28. avatar Elms
    Nothing quite says "f*ck you" to the man like joining a facebook group. If only the majors were signing such "quality" acts as those on the line up of "Just Funk" in Auntie Annies on the 29th September, the world would surely be a better place:

    [url=http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=45089]http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=45089[/url]

    We can only hope that those fat cats realise the errors of their ways and start attending funk rock nights in Auntie Annies, otherwise there is surely no hope for the current financial model the majors are operating.
  29. avatar JTM
    Why not bypass the Man altogether and just film some live gigs well, and stick it on YouTube? It wouldn't take too much effort to get the sound and film right, all you would need then would be the talent.
  30. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Your heart is in the right place, but your thought process and reasoning are all over the joint!
  31. avatar T Entertainment
    Funk rock has been criminally over-looked and under-represented by the mainstream so-called media in NI for years, fair play for making a stand!
    Also RHCP prove that when major labels take a chance on funk, it pays off big style, not just in sales but artistically.
  32. avatar Captain Kennedy
    I really want to see the "Katie Larmour / Colenso Parade" interview again. Is that on Youtube anywhere?
  33. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:a66be6105f]I personally believe, the major labels have better contacts to advertise and get bands out there. They supply what they think there is a demand for. I believe, there is a major demand for better live bands. We just got to let them know about this demand. So, lets do it.[/quote:a66be6105f]

    Yes, they do have better contacts within the music industry and usually have a powerful advertising machine behind them.

    But at the same time they impose economical restrictions on bands (and unless you are some big hitter it will take you a while to start making money after having payed back all the advance investment put in by the major label), exercise some sort of artistic/aesthetic control which more often than not the band is more or less told to write the sort of stuff that sells and have the look that is hot at the moment and the list goes on.

    As someone said, to get local unsigned bands to sign onto majors is in ridiculously stark contrast with "taking the power back". The bands won't necessarily end up with the good end of the deal and the majors will just keep making the bucks and setting musical trends.

    If you really want to "take the power back", then you shouldn't try and get these bands signed but simply support them as much as you can and support the independent side of the music industry. Support independent record stores, support independent promoters, support independent record labels, support independent bands. But if you support the major labels through feeding them with just some other band to sell, then you are just playing their game.
  34. avatar tinpot anto
    did you guys know George Michael was a homosexual?

    Fuck! I'd never have guessed, with all them ladies throwing themselves at him in the 80s.

    Wow, makes you think.
  35. avatar UnquietNights
    It doesn't read to me like this guy is trying to make talented unsigned bands sign to majors? It looks more like he's just trying to get tv exposure for substantially talented unsigned bands. What they do with that exposure would be up to them, including shopping for a better deal from a smaller label. I'd agree there's probably naievity at work in exactly what it would take to make anyone take notice, the number 1000 for example. Personally I think if enough people were asked are you sick of this shite, would you like a well produced showcase of emerging talent? Then many more than 1000 people would click "Like".

    The reason Live@Limelight failed is seriously not about the concept. The country is a bit small to support it, the production and content in my opinion were a bit weak. I would imagine there was reasonable pressure in the BBC for it to be a big success or else pull it quickly. It would need to run a bit longer.

    Maybe the thread here is talking about UK exposure not just NI. Whatever way he's trying to go about it, people shouldn't be lining up to piss on someone with a bit of optimism.
  36. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d8a3199623]Personally I think if enough people were asked are you sick of this shite, would you like a well produced showcase of emerging talent? Then many more than 1000 people would click "Like".[/quote:d8a3199623]

    I disagree. And there would be even less demand for a UK wide version. Why? Because there's no demand for a local version with bands that people could actually go out and watch, there's going to be less demand for a show featuring random bands in random parts of the country that you'll never have the chance to go and see.

    [quote:d8a3199623]I would imagine there was reasonable pressure in the BBC for it to be a big success or else pull it quickly. It would need to run a bit longer.[/quote:d8a3199623]

    It was on UTV.
    ATL TV however, had very good production, ran for 3 series (maybe only 2?) on BBC and was canned because there wasn't demand for it. Its been tried, it didn't work. Continuing to do the same thing over and over again when it doesn't work isn't optimism and enthusiasm, its stupidity. And, to tie it all back to the start again, is exactly what the major labels' business model is and look how well they're doing.
  37. avatar thesneakybandit
    look, everyone here is seriously missing the point! this is just a guy (or possibly girl) who's trying to get themselves on the telly. everyone in northern ireland is out for themselves to further their own careers and if they tell you they're not then they're either stupid or lying!

    do you think katie larmour gives a fuck what's on in lavery's next week?
  38. avatar JTM
    [quote:47553d13bd]do you think katie larmour gives a fuck what's on in lavery's next week?[/quote:47553d13bd]

    Does Lavery's give a fuck about Katie Larmour?


    If there's a demand for "better bands" on live TV as I read earlier, maybe it should start with the bands. If they can draw a crowd or are any good, then bigger players will take note. I stand by my comment about YouTubing some live gigs.
  39. avatar goatboy
    The only music show I would like to see on my TV is reruns of Popped In, Crashed Out.
  40. avatar thesneakybandit
    I agree with JTM.

    In ten years of putting on shows here there are definitely less than a dozen bands I've encountered who are worthy of major channel TV time. Not just musically but as far as work ethic, attitude and everything else in the package goes.

    Most of those bands have gone on to receive significant media coverage through hard work and being good.

    Why not set up a Youtube or Vimeo channel or even a dedicated website? If you can't get tens of thousands of hits on globally available free content then it's probably not going to be picked up by mainstream media.
  41. avatar JTM
    Hear hear @thesneakybandit.
  42. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    To be fair there are people (including myself - [url=http://www.redcap-productions.com]Redcap Productions[/url]) who are trying to do such a thing with a bit of artistry and class. The fact is very few people care and only the big, boring production companies get into the commissioning rounds. I put my heart and soul into doing things like live sessions with local bands - nothing annoys me more than some of the boring, static stuff that's produced both locally and afar.

    I source bands, locations, camera operators, lighting and a sound man for only about 100 people to watch a video - all this is worthwhile due to fact that I love doing it and I have met a few great people along the way.

    Basically the old channels of distribution (television etc.) are dying out and the future is on-line - perhaps if people supported those who are currently working towards something, rather than kicking up a fuss, then we would have a better overall view.

    For anyone interested, here is some of my work (cheap plug):

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  43. avatar The Ronster
    Yup. You want something like this done, do it yourself.

    It would honestly be easier to make a weekly video of, say, 25 minutes, featuring bands you want to see - and do it on a shoestring. Stick it online, and if it gets any interest that's a bonus.

    I really doubt Live at the Limelight did anything for anyone's career, mainly because it was only on the radar of people who were either on it or users of Fastfude. No-one new was reached, in all likelihood.

    At least with a web-show it's perpetually available and can be easily promoted via Facebook & Twitter, without having to worry about scheduling or advertisers.

    There's more than enough talent on this site alone that could make such a programme - the fact is that most of them are ALREADY generating this sort of content to a very high standard, bless 'em.
  44. avatar JTM
    Hear Hear @ Ron and Sean Redcap.
  45. avatar mrtrain
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7of1RcRWv8

    we used to do a wee thing in mchughs which was fun.
  46. avatar mrtrain
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YywsoGbehSI&feature=related

    quite fun too ha ha
  47. avatar JTM
    That's pretty decent stuff right there. That's kinda what I'm talking about, except with better sound and lighting. That aside, that was rad to watch - more of this sort of thing.
  48. avatar Steven Dedalus
    Or you could go and see War hole, John D'Arcy and the GBOL, and Uber Glitterait in Lavery's Bunker tonight at 7.30pm

    It's like TV, only it's 3D!!!

    And tonight will be presented in unique "SMELL-O-VISION".
  49. avatar Belfast Music Scene
    [quote:d6b626822c]Why not bypass the Man altogether and just film some live gigs well, and stick it on YouTube? It wouldn't take too much effort to get the sound and film right, all you would need then would be the talent.[/quote:d6b626822c]

    That sounds like a great idea. I think I'll start next wednesday 29th at Aunty Annies where 99 miles of bad road and the dead presidents and thief are playing. It'll be an awesome night, then next film Rab McCullough's Blues Band. Probably though, as I do personally want to get it on television as there'd be better advertising, if there is a big enough demand for it, I'll need a pilot show as while, so couldn't hurt. Plus, it'll be soooooo much fun. Love all those bands. Awesome music!!! Thanks everyone by the way for being so interested in this topic. It's awesome to see everyone's enthusiasm for local music. Thanks again.
  50. avatar JTM
    Huzzah!