1. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    At the playpark earlier, and there's a kid with a toy gun pointing it and 'shooting' it at anyone and everyone. His mum asks him to stop but does he? No. He continues, doing it to us, then later on, right in my daughter's face. i raise my voice to him, "i would very much appreciate you didn't do that!" in front of his mum and looked her in the eye as well. She gets all defensive saying he's just a kid and it's just a toy. Time to leave before it gets stupid.

    About 100 yards from the playpark (we're still on a green) the kid comes running after us. i think to myself "oh perhaps he's come to apologise, how sweet." No, he's there to try to punch my son. Son just gets out of the way and i sternly ask the other boy, "what are you doing?"

    Kid hides in the bushes.

    How does that kid's mum KNOW that i'm not some psycho and will simply lift the kid and drive off with him, or hit him? What kind of cretin sends their kids into potential danger?

    Some people are fucking stupid.
  2. avatar Sadoldgit
    Didnt you know you arent allowed to tell anyone off these days, or advise them that their behaviour , or that of their offspring isnt nice......
    welcome to the 21st Century.

    He`ll no doubt end up as some spide in front of a judge using his "difficult childhood" to get off with a charge of GBH.
  3. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    Jebus, tell me about it.

    If my kids are being dicks to people i honestly don't mind if they get told off. (within reason of course)
    Lets 'em know they can't get away scot-free with bad behaviour.

    Even better than that, i teach them friggin' manners. And i don't send them off to be a cock in my place, i can do that all by myself:lol:
  4. avatar salfhal
    As an (almost) primary school teacher I have to agree with your concerns. Many parents are incompetent, uncaring, lazy urchins.

    Every day I have to stay for around an hour as these twats don't even bother turning up in time to collect their children.

    Some with 50% attendance rates, parents bringing their children to school while dressed in their pjs, or even worse, parents getting primary aged children to walk to and from school alone.

    Scum of the earth, jobless, smoking, alcoholic dickheads.
  5. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:c62c61346f="Sadoldgit"]Didnt you know you arent allowed to tell anyone off these days, or advise them that their behaviour , or that of their offspring isnt nice......
    welcome to the 21st Century.

    He`ll no doubt end up as some spide in front of a judge using his "difficult childhood" to get off with a charge of GBH.[/quote:c62c61346f]Daily Mail reader, right?
  6. avatar tinpot anto
    Welcome to Larne?
  7. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    [quote:8826f82baf="tinpot anto"]Welcome to Larne?[/quote:8826f82baf]
    Nah, there's little difference between what i've seen here and what i've seen in Belfast or Downpatrick.
  8. avatar die the flu
    The first time I drove through Larne was a Saturday afternoon and at least 90% of the people I saw were shovelling chips into their faces. That and they all stared at me like I had several heads (I don't by the way).

    It was a bit like the film Dagon, if anyone has seen that. Dagon wih chips.
  9. avatar Mikeduck
    Thats the crack these days mate, people are defensive of their kids. You have to teach your own not to take other peoples shit. I for one will be training my kids how to box, couldn't give a fuck if it means they beat some spidey wee cunt up for acting like a hard man to them.
  10. avatar Chuffola
    I'm right with you Leif. Nowt to do with Larne. I live in Ards and its the same behaviour here, Bangor and Belfast. I've twin boys and for a while they didn't want to go to any parks because of one incident with an arsehole parent and his kid.

    Bring back birching, national service and forced sterilisation. (Not sure that forced sterilisation was ever here in the first place...)

    *I am in no way affiliated with or support the BNP or the Daily Mail*:S
  11. avatar 10rapid
    Fuckin hell what's so wrong with chips?
    The working classes, rather than revolting, are revolting.
  12. avatar machinehead
    I recently saw two young mothers walking their children home from school and laughing as the children tried to spit on the winscreens of passing cars.

    Scum.
  13. avatar supersonicsolos
    its dog eat dog now not like the good old days when the bold boys would have had a quite word lol.cant protect your kids all the time they got a stand up for them selfs.i didnt get a hidein till i was 15 was always shit scared of gettin jumped.then ya realize your not made of glass.
  14. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    :028:

    "Hope it's chips it's chips... We ho-ope it's chips it's chips..."

    i've lost count the amount of times people have looked at me funny. Can happen everywhere. And not only me.;) i've learned to not notice it mostly.

    i find it kinda hard to explain the problem i have with this parent issue thing. To me, it's the same feeling when i see parents getting their kids to hold up placards at protests. Or when i hear, "did he hit you? Well, hit him back!" It's not really bringing us all closer to peaceful warm fuzziness..

    Pretend scenario...
    My son gets hit at school. i don't go instantly nuts; i ask for the facts first. "What was going on, why did he hit you?" that sort of thing.
    If the answer was "i was being a dick" i'd probably say "well, perhaps you deserved it then." Problem is, i don't think the answer would ever be "i was being a dick"!

    i reckon people have more money nowadays, more feeling of ownership over so many more things and they are better off than our parents were. And they're bored and over-protective. They've forgotten how to be civil and reasonable because it's ok... Just look at the TV programmes we watch and the stories in the press. It's fine to be a jerk. (compared to what our parents saw.)

    Jesus, i'm on one, sorry!:027:
  15. avatar markrock
    it would have been funny if your kid had turned round and said thats not a gun this is a gun and pulled out an uzie and popped a cap in is ass
  16. avatar Sadoldgit
    I`m not a wail reader.

    I am working class, and have spent a large part of my professional life dealing with the public.

    Its simply an observation that this sort of behaviour seems more common these days and isnt limited to any particular class.
    You are as likely to see it from the ladies wot lunch as the underclass that has never worked, nor ever will.

    All you can do is ensure you own kids know right from wrong.
  17. avatar mullinino
    ...Larne is an anagram of learn...
  18. avatar whipchorus
    I like the way people will casually use the 'Daily Mail' and its purchase thereof as some sort of internet message board putdown amongst people who, by and large, probably share many of the same political persuasions as you or my good self. It really isn't at all tired or one-dimensional, not at all.
  19. avatar loveisthelaw
    Dude, you've got my deepest sympathy but, on the other hand what do you expect when you live in Larne? ie: Loyalists are us. I live 10 mile from Downpatrick and, because of college Im there 4 days a week so, I can sympathise how much of a hell hole it is in certain parts, 21 year old chavettes pushing prams to lunch-time Bingo but, it has some cool heritage attached to it, Im going there today for a viking display and, I like to stand outside the masonic hall and admire the arcutecture, as well as the cathedral and court house that surround it. I've lived in Downpatrick for a total of a month in the past decade, I was in the psychiatric ward, thats as close as I'll ever come to living there but, what the hell?- it was a holiday on the state. All I can say in favour of Larne is Lee Rodgers tattoos and the ferries. Take my advice, move to Castlewellan, where I live, and join a band with me. Ive lived in it most of my life and have recently grown to appreciate the magic of the place. Low crime rate hence, a good place for children to grow up in with good schools.
  20. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    Yes, i'm going to pick up sticks right now and move to Castlewellan. ;)

    To be honest, i don't think it's anything to with Loyalist / Non-Loyalist. Unless there's a gait or secret wink i am not privy to.

    And Larne has its share of history as well: In 106AD 'King of Ireland, Tuathal Teachtmhar was killed, according to tradition at the Battle of Ballyboley' (i live in Ballyboley!)
    In 1018 there was the Battle at Larne Lough between the Vikings and the King Of Ireland.
    (you can read these and other interesting facts in "History of Larne and East Antrim" Ulster Journals; by Felix McKillop - my wife's old history teacher.)

    Islandmagee is fantastic - the 'stone steps' to the Isle of Muck (not very compelling name) are a source of magic.

    All the same i think i'm going to join whatever political party outlines measures to make people get licenses to have kids.
  21. avatar loveisthelaw
    I admit island magee rocks as does parts of Carrick but, never rule out moving to Castlewellan, I keep it in its cult status
  22. avatar markrock
    Some how i dont think theres many loyalists in castlewellan anyway
  23. avatar supersonicsolos
    is it ture that theres an army tank at the bottom of the castlewellan lake.?
  24. avatar Chi-Lite
    This has been a class thread so far lads, well done.
  25. avatar Sadoldgit
    Castlewellan has its fair share of spides.

    Clutchie spides, but spides none the less.

    Downpatrick of course is full of ex frankies.
  26. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    i seem to remember being frightened of Castlewellan when i was in my teens. Perhaps not justified, but i had it in my head that someone such as myself was raw meat walking around there. Although i was a wee fruit. Now i'm a big fruit.
  27. avatar Strong Reaction
    There's idiots everywhere, you can't just say because you live in 'whichever town' certain behaviour is to be expected.
  28. avatar Sadoldgit
    I well remember walking into a bar one pissing wet night with 6 mates in the late 80`s in Castlewellan after getting rained out of the mournes and walking all the way down the Trassey Track .

    It was like a scene out of American werewolf in London when the two lads walk off the moors...hubub of loud conversation outside that stops as soon as you walk over the threshold.

    I thought we were going to get lynched until one of the lads, ordering the drinks got quizzed by the posse at the bar and it was discovered he came from a long line of Castlewellan sheep shaggers.
    Normal service was then resumed.

    Odd wee place Castlewellan, but one I must admit to liking.
  29. avatar supersonicsolos
    I hada a carvan in bryansford .bu castle wellan was always full of chucks and people who got put out in belfast
  30. avatar bottleofsmoke
    Oul chucks are alright. It's them fuckin snouts ye have to worry about.
  31. avatar loveisthelaw
    [quote:538ca2c48b="markrock"]Some how i dont think theres many loyalists in castlewellan anyway[/quote:538ca2c48b]

    No there aint, there's not as many republicans as there used to be but, its still fairly nationalist
  32. avatar loveisthelaw
    [quote:fdf98c0828="Sadoldgit"]I`m not a wail reader.

    I am working class, and have spent a large part of my professional life dealing with the public.

    Its simply an observation that this sort of behaviour seems more common these days and isnt limited to any particular class.
    You are as likely to see it from the ladies wot lunch as the underclass that has never worked, nor ever will.

    All you can do is ensure you own kids know right from wrong.[/quote:fdf98c0828]

    Arent you a doctor? Thats a profession as opposed to a trade
  33. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    [quote:55356e83c1="loveisthelaw"]Arent you a doctor? Thats a profession as opposed to a trade[/quote:55356e83c1]


    ZZzzzzzz... This is an internet discussion, not a court of law where everything must be perfect. Nobody's gonna hang as a result of a technicality, so fuck up.

    'AREN'T' and 'THAT'S' deserve apostrophes, so technically your question/statement was worded incorrectly and therefore as questionable as sadoldgit's claim. So you have cancelled it out, now let's move away from this kind of nit-picking. It's shit, dull and shit. :096:

    i know 'the classes' are as interesting and relevant a social discussion as 'parenting' but as we have heard, all 'classes' have their... shits.

    The discussion is about shitty parents.

    Oh, on a previous post, i made a claim kinda similar to this guy's:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid_wales/10191162.stm
  34. avatar loveisthelaw
    Fair enough, to be getting back on topic, alot of parents simply don't deserve to be parents, the simple solution is that goverment increase the co$t of condoms, ten fold. They clearly have no dignity at all, track suits, bling swearing at their offsprings in their Belfast accent and slapping them so hard they cry. I feel like walking up to them and saying "you f***ing discust me, you need my advice on how to live your life".
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  35. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:6c4136ec24="loveisthelaw"]Fair enough, to be getting back on topic, alot of parents simply don't deserve to be parents, the simple solution is that goverment increase the co$t of condoms, ten fold.[/quote:6c4136ec24]

    Yes, increasing one's fertility is a sure fire way to stop pregnancy.

    [quote:6c4136ec24="loveisthelaw"]They clearly have no dignity at all, track suits, blink swearing at their offsprings in their Belfast accent and slapping them so hard they cry.[/quote:6c4136ec24]

    What!?? Belfast accents!? in this day and age? A good tour in the Army will sort that out, no tracksuits in battle either!

    [quote:6c4136ec24="loveisthelaw"] I feel like walking up to them and saying "you f***ing discust me, you need my advice on how to live your life".[/quote:6c4136ec24]

    Act on those feelings. Please call me and most of the forum members beforehand tho.
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  36. avatar Sadoldgit
    Hence why I said I`d spent most of my professional life dealing with the public.

    As to classes, we may fool ourselves that we live in a classless society, but, ask any working class lad or lass trying to make it in a professional sphere in NI and they will tell you old fashioned class prejudice is alive and well here.

    My point was simply that we live in a generally more selfish society these days, and that selfishness can be seen in people regardless of background.

    I`d suggest she buy the kid a guitar, rather than a toy gun.
  37. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    True story: in Toronto, where we used to live, the police had what you might call a 'toy gun amnesty'.
    Kids would bring in toy guns, and cops would give them different, 'non-violent' toys. Not sure how much of a success it was, but i for one liked the idea.

    As far as crime rates go compared with (say) Detroit, Toronto was small potatoes, but there was one summer, the media coined "Summer of the Gun." Seemed once a week, some kid was shooting another kid. A four-year old even was hit with a stray bullet at a family party.
    A (i think) seven year old was killed in his own bed by some twat with a gun in the flat below. Bullet came through the kid's floor, right into him. Assholes with guns scare the shit out of me, and **i** have handled several big-time firearms in my time.

    The key word here, i believe, is discipline. By discipline, i do not mean punishment for bad behaviour, i mean consistent guidance from parents and rules for kids to follow. There is such a thing as 'too much freedom' when it comes to kids. They need to know boundaries. Like someone else said already, when you get a hidin' in your teens, you soon learn a few things.
    But wouldn't it be nice to know those things WITHOUT having to get the shit knocked out of you by some cunt who's ma didn't love him enough to keep him out of trouble?
  38. avatar captainrehab
    [quote:d3335f0223="salfhal"]As an (almost) primary school teacher I have to agree with your concerns. Many parents are incompetent, uncaring, lazy urchins.

    Every day I have to stay for around an hour as these twats don't even bother turning up in time to collect their children.

    Some with 50% attendance rates, parents bringing their children to school while dressed in their pjs, or even worse, parents getting primary aged children to walk to and from school alone.

    Scum of the earth, jobless, smoking, alcoholic dickheads.[/quote:d3335f0223]

    i totally get ye there man but theres plenty of people out there stupid enough to smoke but know how to take care of a kid. no need to stick that in there.
  39. avatar triceratrips
    So was this kid's 'crime' that he pointed his finger like a gun and made a gun noise? I used to do this lots as a kid and I have not grown up to be someone who has 'handled some big ass firearms' or whatever it is you claim (is it a brag?)
    Seems to me you are too interested in imposing your beliefs on others who were just trying to enjoy the park. Or is the park not for parents who wear tracksuits (except canterbury ones no doubt)?
  40. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    It was a toy gun, as was plainly stated in the first line of the post. i'd also say that it was 'realistic' looking, apart from being a green colour. An automatic pistol, a little like this....
    [img:7638b44427]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Walther_P99_9x19mm.png[/img:7638b44427]

    You are kinda right - wherever there is a difference of opinions on raising kids, there are bound to be a few clash of ideas. This is a good learning experience.

    That i have handled firearms is not meant as a brag - i'm using it as leverage to reinforce my position on the fact that i know a bit about the handling of firearms. In other words, i am not afraid of firearms, i am afraid of nutjobs.

    Simply: i think it is VERY rude for kids to point toy guns at total strangers. Only my opinion.
    Up until this occasion, i though that every parent would know that. Lesson learned. As you imply, there are many styles of raising kids.

    Finally, your question about track suits is way beyond my intelligence level. Feel free to figure that one out on your own.
  41. avatar triceratrips
    My point being that I would not intervene in a complete stranger's life for something so minor. Never mind that it is none of my business. Would you suggest to a parent that their fat kid shouldn't be enjoying an ice cream in the summer sun? I imagine obesity is as damaging as gun crime.......
    The remark with regards to trackies was somewhat flipant but it is merely an observation that wearing of a tracksuit denotes some kind of intellectual and perhaps literal poverty, and general 'class' subversity - 'they' do not even know how to raise kids. 'They' need me to tell 'them' how to live!!!
    The obvious exception to the trackies rule of thumb employed by many is the in vogue canterbury rugby style tracksuits which are very much de rigour of the upper middle class elite - it seems if it is a rugby tracksuit then tally ho chaps - a sign of affluence! Trackies are OK by me!
  42. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    [quote:53963b1568="triceratrips"]My point being that I would not intervene in a complete stranger's life for something so minor. Never mind that it is none of my business. Would you suggest to a parent that their fat kid shouldn't be enjoying an ice cream in the summer sun? I imagine obesity is as damaging as gun crime.......
    [/quote:53963b1568]

    Did you read the initial post? My three year old daughter is not a complete stranger, and her business is my business.
    If the other kid kept his gunplay between him and his mum, i wouldn't bat an eyelid - just like an innocent fat kid eating an ice cream - more power to him - enjoying his life is his business.

    If a fat kid was this rude to my kids while eating an ice cream, i'd call him up for being rude, that's all, never mind the fat or the ice cream.

    Just so anyone reading this is well informed: neither mum nor kid were wearing a track suit. i don't think it makes a difference to one's attitude.