1. avatar sloppyjoe
    Following on from the godawful ranting about McCausland and the museums, which went from simple slegging to obtuse sophistry before settling back to the old standby "Ulster Scots: language or accent?" I want to kick off a more constructive debate here related to that very question.

    [b:e25f462cc8]Ulster Scots: who are the greatest contemporary exponents?[/b:e25f462cc8]

    The gold standard, in my view, is best represented by two men: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._F._Marshall]Revd William Marshall[/url], a talented but sadly neglected poet and lyricist; and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamus_Heaney]Seamus Heaney[/url], an even more talented, but sadly papist, poet.

    I will pass lightly over the imposter George Jones and his Clubsound conspiracy: the naked racism of [i:e25f462cc8]Belfast, Belfast[/i:e25f462cc8] and the disgraceful episode that was [i:e25f462cc8]The Ballymoor Grousebeaters[/i:e25f462cc8] are best forgotten. These people were not good exemplars of Ulster Scots.

    What I would like to do is invite your nominations for contemporary poets and lyricists in the Ullans language. The core question being - who is the greatest living Ulster scots songwriter? Which neatly excludes Heaney as he doesn't do proper songs. You may nominate yourself or someone else. You may - in fact, I fervently hope you will - submit a short poem or lyric to demonstrate your mastery of the Ulster Scots tongue. Applications from left-footers are particularly welcomed, as it is believed that the taig community is under-represented in Ulster Scots literary circles. Heaney notwithstanding.

    But let's have a few ground rules first.

    1. Tinpots, Pocket Billiards etc need not apply. The Belfast dialect is so urbanized and degenerate that it has long since ceased to be mutually comprehensible with Ulster Scots.
    2. Contrary spellings will not disqualify, but are not encouraged: for instance [i:e25f462cc8]tha[/i:e25f462cc8] for [i:e25f462cc8]the[/i:e25f462cc8], [i:e25f462cc8]boord[/i:e25f462cc8] for [i:e25f462cc8]board[/i:e25f462cc8]. Thon's jist dawft so ut uz. Thur's nae ca' fer ut.
    3. Perverse choice of words is also discouraged. For example: [i:e25f462cc8]scrivner[/i:e25f462cc8] instead of [i:e25f462cc8]writer[/i:e25f462cc8]; [i:e25f462cc8]Guider[/i:e25f462cc8] instead of manager. A guider is a thing made of scaffolding planks and pram wheels. And there's no historical reason to have a different word for manager anyway. Fuck's sake like.

    Suggestions for additional rules are welcome.

    So there you have it. It's all up to you now folks - let's have your entries and nominations. We may have a vote later, if anyone can be arsed.
  2. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    You said someone doesn't write "proper" songs.
    You KNOW what that's going to turn into!! :lol: Good luck.

    i know nothing of Ulster Scots, so i'll nominate Liam Neeson and laugh hartily at the ensuing 'tuts'!
    (he might write songs, who knows)
  3. avatar SimonC
    [url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=Iey1mTOjT3E&feature=related]Willie Drennan[/url] - what a man. LOL
  4. avatar Recycled Alien
    This is clearly a fix. The way the rules are set out, nobody but Willie Drennan can win it. :evil:
  5. avatar 10rapid
    You're some laugh. 'Sadly papist'?
    Nice. Good to hear it's a prods only language, despite your call to the taigs. I'm gled we hay oor ain spake fur chattin aboot raingers an the twelfth an a wheen o ither things.
  6. avatar 10rapid
    You're some laugh. 'Sadly papist'?
    Nice. Good to hear it's a prods only language, despite your call to the taigs. I'm gled we hay oor ain spake fur chattin aboot raingers an the twelfth an a wheen o ither things.
  7. avatar savagebilliards
    well since we are degenerate Belfastians I duly post a few lyrics from our song 'spide' for translation:

    "Here's me wha? Aye yer Ma! You're only 13 and you're already a da!"

    Ulster Scotify the above!
  8. avatar sloppyjoe
    [quote:03ac886d12="savagebilliards"]well since we are degenerate Belfastians I duly post a few lyrics from our song 'spide' for translation:

    "Here's me wha? Aye yer Ma! You're only 13 and you're already a da!"

    Ulster Scotify the above![/quote:03ac886d12]

    That's a tricky one, with the mutual incomprehensibility and all. Let's start by translating it into English as a common language. Kind of like they did with that stone from the Rosetta:

    "I said to the young gentleman 'I beg your pardon. No, I don't accept that at all. I believe it is not unreasonable to question the judgement of a 13-year-old: particularly one who has already fathered a child at that tender age.'"

    And go from that into Ulster Scots:

    "I sez till him whit are ye oan about? Sure whit wad a wee skitter like ye ken aboot onythin? You wi' a wean an' ainly theartean."

    The original is more concise, I admit.

    10rapid, not looking to offend anyone here. Just a bit of craic. I'm ambifootrous myself.
  9. avatar savagebilliards
    lol excellent. maybe i'll try that translation in Killinchy at the weekend!
  10. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    **Hijack Alert**

    Still not entirely convinced it's a language set apart from English.

    Showing my perverse ignorance here, but Old English is called Old English. Not "Latiny-Frenchy-Norse." It's a derivation.

    How does Ulster Scots deserve its own category?
    (braces for long-winded onslaught!)

    edit: honest question really, not meant as antagonistic
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  11. avatar Alex-Circadian
    [quote:72071a64df="savagebilliards"]lol excellent. maybe i'll try that translation in Killinchy at the weekend![/quote:72071a64df]

    You'll need to translate it into "Noooooorth Dowwwwwyan" for Killinchy. Also, tell them that you sail. That'll win them over instantly.
  12. avatar savagebilliards
    Yeah that'S true a further translation may be needed.
  13. avatar huggy baps
    This was over before it begun, Willie Drennan is the king of the Ulster Scots! I hope he gets another series, hilarious stuff!

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=89218862892&v=app_2373072738&ref=ts#!/group.php?gid=89218862892
  14. avatar SimonC
    Ulster Scots' very own Mel Gibson.
    [img:47391e9e0b]http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/images/recordings/ulster-lisnagunogue-drennan-willie.jpg[/img:47391e9e0b]
  15. avatar sloppyjoe
    Yeah, Willie's the king obviously and this can only be a competition for second place. To my eternal shame, I was ignorant of the great man's oeuvre. No longer.

    Leif, I don't think you'll hear many dissenting voices, but you should be ashamed of yourself too. Are you not from Larne or somewhere like that? You must have had plenty of opportunities to hear the native tongue of God's Own People.

    Alex, check your facts. It's Nawrth Dyne.

    I'm running out of posts again. Slow day at work.
  16. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    [quote:dbc57c8a8e="sloppyjoe"]Leif, I don't think you'll hear many dissenting voices, but you should be ashamed of yourself too. Are you not from Larne or somewhere like that? You must have had plenty of opportunities to hear the native tongue of God's Own People.[/quote:dbc57c8a8e]

    Is that what it is? Wow, i had no idea God invented language in Larne!:lol:

    Oh, and i LIVE in Larne. Only been here a couple of years. i'm more of a County Down boy, with a Canadian past.
  17. avatar feline1
    away and feck, ye wabs