1. avatar ryanego
    Has anyone seen this?
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=104617472916202&v=info

    Taken from the group [quote:402a979615]THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLIES, PARADES AND PROTESTS BILL
    Q What does it mean?
    A Every gathering of 50 or more people will have to ask for permission to assemble 37 days prior to the date of assembly and will have to name ALL organisers and a list of ALL groups who will take part. Permission can be refused. The only exceptions will be gatherings inside buildings and funerals.
    Q Does the legislation specify any particular groups?
    A Yes. Bands, trade unions and campaign groups
    Q Does it give examples of types of gatherings?
    A Yes. An example used is a protest against the closure of a sports hall
    Q What is the penalty if permission is not sought or if it is refused?
    A Six months in prison for all participants and/or a large fine
    Q What will happen to participants?
    A Summary arrest without warrant
    Q Are there real examples of gatherings that have taken place where the participants could be criminalised and jailed under the proposed law?
    A Loads. The pro peace rallies held all across NI last year. The ARN protest against attacks on the Roma community, a protest outside the BBC when the BNP appeared on Question Time, the occupation of the Visteon factory, demonstrations against proposed water charges, demonstrations against the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, the postal workers dispute TO NAME BUT A FEW[/quote:402a979615]

    The original paper is here http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/public-assemblies-parades-and-protests-in-northern-ireland-2.pdf

    I'm not really too sure how these things work, or what chance, if any, this would ever have of being passed, but it's still pretty terrifying.
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  2. avatar Cugel
    Sounds like they are preparing for the backlash against the huge hikes in tax and interest rates that will probably hit around August, Won't matter which party wins the election, we are in for a rough ride and they'll want to stamp on protest hard.
  3. avatar don sebestian
    Absolutely outrageous. Disgusted.
  4. avatar conor3000
    Cugel is right

    It's gonna be like Greece and I dont mean the musical.
  5. avatar kev
    Summer Lovin' indeed... Scary times!
  6. avatar laughterjones
    Jesus man this is one of the sickest things I have heard of in one of our supposed Western Democracies - This Orwellian bullshit is a testament to the government thinking that we are all T.V. drone clones wafting through a brain-dead reality haphazardly trying not to bump into our own feet as we meander down the grey trodden streets. But fuck that my friends, their plan has not worked and I refuse to believe this horrendous concoction of elitist horse guff will pass anywhere, but even if Satan rises from the ground and shoves it down our screaming gullets then what we will simply do next time we feel our inherent rights are being impinged, by lets say war in Iran, is hold a protest.

    Thatís right!!!! but a protest of 49 people against "The war in Iran"
    And another protest of 49 people right beside it against "the war with The Iranian government"
    And another protest of 49 people against "Westerners fighting on new middle eastern soil"
    And yet another protest of 49 people against "not having a peaceful relationship with the Iranian people"
    And yet even another protest of 49 people against "War with countries beginning with I"
    And then anther god damn fucking protest of 49 shitting people against "Firing bullets at peoples with oil"

    All of which just so happen to be within 3 fucking millimetres of each other but are all 'separate' and under 50 and therefore don't require some legislative wank that can be refused for no justified reason at all and prevent the voice of the people getting out against the sadistic thoughts of our would be dictators.

    Anyone wanna join me? Only 48 places left per one now.......
  7. avatar Bileofwood
    That is some scary shit, right there.
  8. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well yes, but it's either that or having the orange order march past your house every day.

    This is just a consultation paper outlining the proposals of the working group on parades that was set up. it seems somebody has decided that the fairest way is for ALL large gatherings to be treated the same.

    What do you reckon would be fairer?
  9. avatar Recycled Alien
    So how many people actually READ the consultation document? Or are we all just cruisin' on Internet gullibility?

    [quote:d9554ae90f]
    8.--(1) "Protest meeting" means a meeting which--
    (a) is an open-air public meeting within the meaning of the Public
    Order (Northern Ireland) Order 1987,
    (b) is held at or near the route or place of a public assembly of
    which notice has been given under section 13 or 15,
    (c) is held at or around the time of the public assembly, and
    (d) has a purpose of demonstrating opposition to the public
    assembly (whether or not it also has other purposes).
    [/quote:d9554ae90f]

    So "protest meeting" means ONLY a protest against a parade, basically. Your anti-war demonstration isn't covered.
  10. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:48fc70fd87="Recycled Alien"]So how many people actually READ the consultation document? Or are we all just cruisin' on Internet gullibility?

    [quote:48fc70fd87]
    8.--(1) "Protest meeting" means a meeting which--
    (a) is an open-air public meeting within the meaning of the Public
    Order (Northern Ireland) Order 1987,
    (b) is held at or near the route or place of a public assembly of
    which notice has been given under section 13 or 15,
    (c) is held at or around the time of the public assembly, and
    (d) has a purpose of demonstrating opposition to the public
    assembly (whether or not it also has other purposes).
    [/quote:48fc70fd87]

    So "protest meeting" means ONLY a protest against a parade, basically. Your anti-war demonstration isn't covered.[/quote:48fc70fd87]

    Well, no, it's covered as an example of the "public assembly" for which notice has to be given under section 13 or 15.

    Aren't you reading it? I think the complaint is that you now have to give notice for any "public assembly", not that you also have to give notice for any "protest meeting" against that "public assembly"

    In fact, you have to give 15 days [i:48fc70fd87]less[/i:48fc70fd87] notice for a "protest meeting" than for the original "public assembly"
  11. avatar tinpot anto
    Sure don't all rallies/marches/assemblies already have to get Parades Commission approval?
  12. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well, sort of. Parades do. This now extends it to ANY public assembly, and includes the protests against parades, and means that you will actually be charged with a criminal offence if you don't give 37 (or 22) days notice


    The Parades Commission doesn't really have any teeth anyway - I'm not too sure whether it technically has the [i:530e557f56]power[/i:530e557f56] to prosecute or not, but most of the time if a parade goes ahead without its permission it does fuck all but say that that will go against it the next time the organisers apply for one - which they hadn't done in the first place

    there was about 50 Shinners on a white line protest right up the falls road yesterday - according to this consultation paper, that should be classed as a public Assembly. Although that already raises a problem, given that they were spread out along the road. How close do you have to stand to each other to make it a "public assembly"?

    Someone should really raise all these issues with OFMDFM - I would, but I'm not that bothered, to be honest
  13. avatar rentaghost
    One of our lot is into vintage car rallies. This has him raging.
  14. avatar Smallsquare
    Protest? You must be confused, we're just playing stuck in the mud.

    or indeed, my apologies officer, I did indeed apply for permission to organise a protest at the top of Slieve Donard but to my horror this appeared to be a issue no one cared much about. Sorry for wasting your time and all.
  15. avatar feline1
    See, I *TOLD* all you muppets that handing over SUPREME EXECUTIVE POWER to a load of "ex" IRA members and Free Presbyterian Religious Maniacs was most likely NOT A GOOD THING. I *told* ewe all that handing over policing and justice powers to a legislature where half the participants had been in jail for non-consensual murder was bad news.

    But oh no, you all blethered back "Look feline1, we can't go back to the BAD OLD DAYS! we have to MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD! We can't live in the past!"

    Well SLAP IT UP YE'S!!!! :lol:
  16. avatar Bileofwood
    There is a meeting about this tonight at the Holiday Inn. About 7pm I think.

    I am planning on heading down, unless the lure of Dragon's Age Origins keeps me in front of the PC.
  17. avatar sloppyjoe
    Let's keep that attendance below 50, kids.
  18. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:c45ad9dcc7="feline1"]See, I *TOLD* all you muppets that handing over SUPREME EXECUTIVE POWER to a load of "ex" IRA members and Free Presbyterian Religious Maniacs was most likely NOT A GOOD THING. I *told* ewe all that handing over policing and justice powers to a legislature where half the participants had been in jail for non-consensual murder was bad news.

    But oh no, you all blethered back "Look feline1, we can't go back to the BAD OLD DAYS! we have to MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD! We can't live in the past!"

    Well SLAP IT UP YE'S!!!! :lol:[/quote:c45ad9dcc7]
    You, sir, are an idiot.
  19. avatar feline1
    [quote:07f2b5e835="Reckoner"][quote:07f2b5e835="feline1"]See, I *TOLD* all you muppets that handing over SUPREME EXECUTIVE POWER to a load of "ex" IRA members and Free Presbyterian Religious Maniacs was most likely NOT A GOOD THING. I *told* ewe all that handing over policing and justice powers to a legislature where half the participants had been in jail for non-consensual murder was bad news.

    But oh no, you all blethered back "Look feline1, we can't go back to the BAD OLD DAYS! we have to MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD! We can't live in the past!"

    Well SLAP IT UP YE'S!!!! :lol:[/quote:07f2b5e835]
    You, sir, are an idiot.[/quote:07f2b5e835]

    And you, sir, sound like an ENEMY OF THE PEACE PROCESS! :lol: