1. avatar Jameboat
    Avoid. Avoid like the fucking plague.
    This Thursday past we had a last minute gig lined up in The Front Page, not the most prestigious of venues granted, but what took place was downright unacceptable.
    We were informed that we had an hour slot to fill, from 11 til 12, to play as long a set as we could muster up. This was fair enough. The gear provided was sub-par, also fair enough, it was provided by the other band; it was for them the same situation, last minute organization, neither of us having a backline of particularly great quality, (in our case no amps worthy of the gig, i drive a 1 litre Polo, and had i brought my 4x12 & head, would have arrived with 2 of 5 members) we were dealing with a decent kit, two pretty poor 15/30 watt amps and a decent enough bass amp. As far as PA and sound engineering was concerned, the organizer, sporting a "Thirteen13 Promotions Staff" Bomber informed us that he considers it better to let the band sort themselves out, which frankly was neither here nor there as there was one mic in total; nothing had been mic'd up, nothing was going through any sort of PA or mixer aside from the singular vocal mic that was sent to a pathetic wee 1 line mixer that the lad organizing it used to DJ through.
    So far nothing seemed worthy of actual complaint, as stated, this was the Front Page so fair enough.

    It came to 10 o'clock, and we were all well aware there wasn't going to be any punters in spare a few mates of the bands', so nobody was exactly sweating it regarding professional execution. Your man jumped onstage and started arsin about with his laptop and kicked in to a half arsed DJ set, that nobody so much as batted an eyelash to aside from 3 or 4 of said lad's mates who started dancin like eejits up at the stage for a while. Even once they had clearly tired of his sub-par "remix" of riverside etc he carried on. 11 o'clock came, and he was up there givin it stacks on his own, and his mate started arsin about on the drums, buggering about with the key, loosening and tightening to his own satisfaction, and began to batter the feck out of them for the apparent craic. It wasn't until some-one from the first band actually approached him and explained that there were two bands still to play, he reluctantly left the stage and let the band on. 40 minutes later it was our turn, and it was about 20 to 12. Problems had arisen with the kick pedal during the first bands set, but had been remedied, thus it didnt bother us too much (The kick was fine during soundcheck, seems yer man that was having a fuck about decided to loosen it to suit his own tastes) We got through one song, at which stage the lad donning the bomber jacket informed us that the barman had stated the next song was to be our last. We were already fucking fumin at him for wasting as much time with his self indulgent DJ set, so we agreed and deemed the night a waste of time. Until it occured to me. The wee prick was charging 3 quid at the door. Now I was confident enough that the 4 or 5 mates that had come out to see us hadn't paid 3 quid to watch some wee wannabe skinhead arse about on his decks for an hour. So i approached him and explained he owed them their money back, to which he responded "yer takin the piss mate" Furthering bartering took place, with him growing more and more reluctant. Eventually we managed to get the money back for 4 of our friends, at which stage he exclaimed "fuck sake, now I'm out of pocket".
    Does this sound like somebody worth of deeming themselves a promoter? I couldn't help but gain the impression he expected no more than to have a fuck about with his mates, get a few people through the doors to cover the cost of his night, and have a decent wee bit of craic to himself at the expense of whatever punters came through the door to see the bands.

    Just thought I'd put the word out there to save anyone the bother if they come across said Promotions agency.
  2. avatar Richard
    Wow. If that happened to me, I'd be more than a bit cheesed off. Cheers for the heads up about this guy.
  3. avatar PastyBap
    Thats not nice at all.

    As a newly established events company, i would be ashamed of putting out half assed gear.

    At our very first event Battle of the Bands, Point Bar Lisburn, we had no gear. But i begged and spent a lot of money to provide acceptable gear. It may have not been amazing in terms of great sounding PA but we made the most of 4 JBL tops, a marshall, fender & a trace elliot. We also added in great wireless Sennheisers and a sound engineer to man the desk. Myself and 3 staff members were constantly listening and tweaking sound. We also used a mid level drum kit with professional a custom cymbals.

    As a musician myself i point blank refuse to compromise on sound. To assist in a great sound, i would ask bands to bring their own amps/guitars/leads and nothing else.

    If you see an event associated with CMj Events you can be assured that the sound wont be shit.

    Good luck!

    Ciaran,

    info@cmjevents.co.uk
    www.cmjevents.co.uk
  4. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    Jesus what a shambles. I'll be sure to watch out for these jokers in the future.
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  6. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    I haven't experienced anything that bad in my years of being in bands. I don't think I could hold my temper in a situation like that.
    What's the other thread?
  7. avatar 13thirteenproductions
    hello
    J from 13thirteen allow me to defend myself here

    Last thursday was in fact an empty slot which we were going to cancel but only around 3pm i got a call informing me that actually i had to get ready to host two bands tomorrow night , bands i played no part in booking so the lack of equipment / state of equipment not really my fault

    the "half arsed' dj set was to fill the space of time between 930 and 11pm when thew bands claimed their crowd would be in. Whilst i was to be on the front door as Doorman.(to save paying 60 for one) The money taken at the door was divided at 1050 pm between ourselves and cryptic who booked said bands the money we took worked out at 50ish quid and 15went to me 10 to april and 25ish to cryptic. We explain to all bands that their promoter (this time cryptic) gets paid and is up to them to sort out wages etc unless we book the band / bands
    it is then 5050between us and the bands,upto 50 profit for us then we go 20 80
    I also explained to all bands that i booked that this would be the case as we pay for posters (most weeks) taxis to and from and it is only fair to work this way as so we dont end up out of pocket
    as for refunding your mates thats great for them but i really dont see why the only weekly startup band night in belfast which small bands depend on for practice and toget thier name out should be paing out for dissatified customers good to see that people care more bout money than having a chance to play.
    costs me money to hold these every week and i certinley dont see why your gripe is with me as chris who brought you guys down has your pay
    and there was no discernable crowd to keep the bar open

    thanks for reading and im sure that you will see that this was an unavoidable disaster on my part

    J
    13Thirteen
  8. avatar Chrisvito
    666ARCADE HEY MAN I AM CHRIS FROM CRYPTIC PROMOTIONS that gig you speck of in the front page . i have never heard i have acc heard from some other promoters ect that i ran a gig and never showed I dont run stuff in the (Front page) Also There is some one going round atm under the name of cryptic promotions Dont know who it is yet .. but ill soon find out ...So i would prefair it you guys could stop saying that i ran a night and never showed .. up i haveint even got ur email ect .. or number or facebook so how would i have booked you ...this is my maind email (gunsn@hotmail.co.uk) so if you/ anyone do's not get there emails with this email its not me ... PS i have load of bands can back me up that i love doing what i am doing i LOVE being a promoter ect ...every gig i have ran ii have been at Apart from 1 gig i had to leave due to something but i had some 1 look after it ..
    .. PS I RUN CRYPTIC PROMOTIONS On (MY OWN) No one eles .. Thanks for your time..

    www.crypticpromotions.webs.com

    www.myspace.com/crypticpromotions

    (CHRISTOPHER)
  9. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    [quote:7c9a9dbed8="13thirteenproductions"]
    as for refunding your mates thats great for them but i really dont see why the only weekly startup band night in belfast which small bands depend on for practice and toget thier name out should be paing out for dissatified customers good to see that people care more bout money than having a chance to play.
    J
    13Thirteen[/quote:7c9a9dbed8]
    Well it seems that the punters weren't exactly provided the service that was advertised.
    Right, so is this Cryptic Promotions' doing or 13 Promotions'? Seems like a completely haphazard way of going about things anyway. I found it difficult to follow your post and Chris's post hasn't cleared anything up at all.
  10. avatar Chrisvito
    Hey No it's not a cryptic promotions event ... I dont run any thing in the front page .. i was Replayin to 666acardes Comment ..

    Chris
  11. avatar anty2
    Regardless of who's fault it was....sounds like an utter shambles of a night
  12. avatar markrock
    Well my band skarrd played a gig for chris and there was no problem the gig was well setup chris was good enough to give an unheard of band a chance not many people would,we all had a great night so there you go.
  13. avatar salfhal
    Just to add.

    We played The Front Page a week ago... Very disappointed. One of the tops didn't work, the wiring was bare in some places, we had to clear the stage of a massive ass table with 5 concrete slabs on it (WTF) and then set up the front section of the stage. None of the bar staff would advise us on what to do, nor show us where the lightswitches were (setting up using only your phone for light is bullshit), and they wouldn't turn the gear upstairs on until half an hour before the doors opened. The in house music system wasn't linked to the PA so the DJ set couldn't be heard in the main bar.

    In terms of what happened above, whoever the promoter is must be blamed. Doesn't matter how short notice it is. If you have a schedule (as you did), run to it. To the band, if you're getting screwed over, just walk out. Nothing anyone can do to you.

    But those kind of experiences harden you to things I guess. Our gig was a bit of a shambles, but who cares, we played our the music we enjoy, it didn't cost us much bar petrol money, and we got to pretend to be rockstars for 45mins haha.

    Thanks for the warning though.
  14. avatar Strong Reaction
    The PA speakers in The Front Page have been in dire need of servicing/replacing for quite some time now.
  15. avatar markrock
    yeah that happened us to we had to move a stupid fukin table with slabs on and then try and find plug sockets fukin shithole although it still was a good night in the end
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  17. avatar Chrisvito
    I had thos gig dates Up cus i was ment to be doing them ... you see but i never did them .. there was a whole mess up so there was who was the sound guy or the guys name from that night In the front page u guys did ..

    PS i am Christopher Shaw ...
  18. avatar salfhal
    [quote:e1f6049091="Chrisvito"]666ARCADE HEY MAN I AM CHRIS FROM CRYPTIC PROMOTIONS that gig you speck of in the front page . i have never heard i have acc heard from some other promoters ect that i ran a gig and never showed I dont run stuff in the (Front page) Also There is some one going round atm under the name of cryptic promotions Dont know who it is yet .. but ill soon find out ...So i would prefair it you guys could stop saying that i ran a night and never showed .. up i haveint even got ur email ect .. or number or facebook so how would i have booked you ...this is my maind email (gunsn@hotmail.co.uk) so if you/ anyone do's not get there emails with this email its not me ... PS i have load of bands can back me up that i love doing what i am doing i LOVE being a promoter ect ...every gig i have ran ii have been at Apart from 1 gig i had to leave due to something but i had some 1 look after it ..
    .. PS I RUN CRYPTIC PROMOTIONS On (MY OWN) No one eles .. Thanks for your time.. [/quote:e1f6049091]
    [quote:e1f6049091="Chrisvito"]Hey No it's not a cryptic promotions event ... I dont run any thing in the front page .. i was Replayin to 666acardes Comment ..
    Chris[/quote:e1f6049091]

    [quote:e1f6049091="Chrisvito"]I had thos gig dates Up cus i was ment to be doing them ... you see but i never did them .. there was a whole mess up so there was who was the sound guy or the guys name from that night In the front page u guys did ..
    PS i am Christopher Shaw ... [/quote:e1f6049091]

    I honestly have no fucking idea what any of that means.
  19. avatar Jameboat
    [quote:1d0ed6786a="13thirteenproductions"]hello
    J from 13thirteen allow me to defend myself here

    Last thursday was in fact an empty slot which we were going to cancel but only around 3pm i got a call informing me that actually i had to get ready to host two bands tomorrow night , bands i played no part in booking so the lack of equipment / state of equipment not really my fault

    the "half arsed' dj set was to fill the space of time between 930 and 11pm when thew bands claimed their crowd would be in. Whilst i was to be on the front door as Doorman.(to save paying 60 for one) The money taken at the door was divided at 1050 pm between ourselves and cryptic who booked said bands the money we took worked out at 50ish quid and 15went to me 10 to april and 25ish to cryptic. We explain to all bands that their promoter (this time cryptic) gets paid and is up to them to sort out wages etc unless we book the band / bands
    it is then 5050between us and the bands,upto 50 profit for us then we go 20 80
    I also explained to all bands that i booked that this would be the case as we pay for posters (most weeks) taxis to and from and it is only fair to work this way as so we dont end up out of pocket
    as for refunding your mates thats great for them but i really dont see why the only weekly startup band night in belfast which small bands depend on for practice and toget thier name out should be paing out for dissatified customers good to see that people care more bout money than having a chance to play.
    costs me money to hold these every week and i certinley dont see why your gripe is with me as chris who brought you guys down has your pay
    and there was no discernable crowd to keep the bar open

    thanks for reading and im sure that you will see that this was an unavoidable disaster on my part

    J
    13Thirteen[/quote:1d0ed6786a]

    It's not a case of pay at all, we didn't expect to get paid for the gig, however we did expect to get playing for more than 5 minutes. I'm more than willing to make a loss on petrol for driving from Carrickfergus with a full band, 3 guitars and drum breakables because we love playing and consider it worth the money spent, as I'm sure do most bands, but the fact of the matter is that the people who paid 3 quid in to see us, didn't get to see us. Now This, to me, seems a bit unfair.
    As for the no discernable crowd aspect, it was a last minute gig yes, we did the rounds textin mates letting them know we were playing, hoping a few punters would come through the doors for a crowd to play to, and we managed to get 4 or 5, as did the other band. You, as the promotor, are surely more responsible for the promotion of the night? fair enough, it was last minute, but don't make out its in any way our fault or responsibility.

    Lastly, your attitude towards me when i explained that they deserve their money back was downright disgusting. You agreed to refund two of our mates, yet when another approached you, you turned to me and yelled "See what you've fuckin started? Now I'm out of pocket" Which, in every right, is fairer than them being out of pocket. Not only this, but you continued to shout in the face of said mate who approached you for a refund about how they were taking the piss and weren't getting shit off of you, who may i reiterate, was a girl.
  20. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    Both of these "promoters" are coming across as completely unprofessional and somewhat mentally challenged.
  21. avatar Chrisvito
    Hey Mullen....(mentally challenged) I find that Very offensive I am infact Have (Aspergers Syndrome) And i have dyslexia.......Thats why that may not be clear to you.... PS all needs said is CRYPTIC PROMOTIONS (*CHRISTOPHER SHAW*) HAS noting to do with 1313 the gig that Setback and Exit wound or Exit what ever ther called had notting to do with me ... And 666Arcade if you could gave me a we ring that would be lovely so i can have a chat about this to .. PS there is some 1 eles useing Cryptic promotions atm .Round belfast ..

    Chris
  22. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    Chris, apologies for my last comment. Had I known your situation I wouldn't have made such a crude comment. Sorry lad.
  23. avatar artyfufkin
    Small point, but if you're reputation locally is so bad, which it obviously is if the previous posts are to be believed, why on earth would someone else be masquerading under [i:cebd601eda]your[/i:cebd601eda] name?

    Maybe it's time for a name change?

    Now obviously 13/13 seem to be the biggest offenders and deserve all the bad press they're getting here but you claim

    [quote:cebd601eda]PS i have load of bands can back me up [/quote:cebd601eda]

    but so far none of them have come forward to do so.

    I hate to see bands who are putting themselves out treated like this and maybe it wasn't your fault personally but the matter should be cleared up so that at least other bands are a bit wiser thanks to Fastfude and whilst mental condition doesn't come into it, both Cryptic and 13 come across as inept and totally unprofesionally in what is a very unforgiving business.
  24. avatar Jameboat
    I feel obliged at this stage to let it be known we played a gig organized by Cryptic a couple of weeks ago in Annies with This Years Black & Nocturn. Despite very few coming through the doors (Tuesday night, what can you do) The night went off without a hitch and was great craic. from my experience, Chris can handle himself well enough as a promoter, and it would be unfair to let thirteen13's cock up reflect badly on him.
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  25. avatar artyfufkin
    Fair enough!
  26. avatar Deadlights
    We emailed Cryptic Promotions as you do looking for gigs a month or two ago. We got a reply saying come to our gig in laverys on friday night and we'll discuss slots.

    Comign from Lisburn, this and entrance to the gig being 3, this seemed like a lof of effort for the possibility of 1 gig. Thinking this was highly irregular, and wanting to keep everything in writing just to keep oursleves right, we didnt bother.

    They just dont seem to act very profesionaly
  27. avatar Chrisvito
    [quote:e50c2677a3="Deadlights"]We emailed Cryptic Promotions as you do looking for gigs a month or two ago. We got a reply saying come to our gig in laverys on friday night and we'll discuss slots.

    Comign from Lisburn, this and entrance to the gig being 3, this seemed like a lof of effort for the possibility of 1 gig. Thinking this was highly irregular, and wanting to keep everything in writing just to keep oursleves right, we didnt bother.

    They just dont seem to act very profesionaly[/quote:e50c2677a3]

    Hey man i was Busy at that point Send me a email And ill Get back to u Asap ..

    ps Sorry

    Chris
  28. avatar PastyBap
    ive worked with deadlights, what an awesome band.
  29. avatar SlowJoe
    My first post!
    To the bands that where playing last Thursday.

    I don't like the way your talking about my mates over this forum, if your wanting to call us "Wannabe skinheads" then at least have the balls to do so face to face.
  30. avatar Bileofwood
    Holy fuckeroly

    I was talking to the Exit Wound guys about their gig as we were playing the same venue/promoter the following week (Headline! were the promoter). James was a good lad and, while the venue is hardly the fucking Empire, everything went smoothly enough. The barman is an issue, some nasty rude guy who clearly thinks that anyone who plays a guitar is simply polishing the fretboard in order to ram it in his arsehole - he was as rude as fuck to us all night and told James we had to be off half an hour before agreed. I don't usually bad mouth anyone but the fucing this and fucking that we got off him, then he was lugging our gear around as if our very pricey equipment was made by Fisher Price.

    And Chris from Cryptic is spot on, he does care about the music, he really cares about the bands and people who play on his bills, and it seems to me that he's doing these nights for the bands and music in Belfast in general. When we played with him at Pavilion last week he was telling me about how there seems to be some kind of identity issue somewhere, as he posted in a msg earlier in this thread.

    Still, the OP is quite a tale of woe, I don't often read long posts as I get bored about 5 lines in but as a performer I was quite sympathetic to that long succession of worst case scenarios!
  31. avatar Chrisvito
    Hey guys yaa i dont run (HEADLING) 1313 do's

    Thanks Bill btw

    (THE HUBRIS) KICK ASS BAND :P

    Chris

    www.myspace.com/crypticpromotions
  32. avatar salfhal
    [quote:6bf982e83d="SlowJoe"]To the bands that where playing last Thursday.

    I don't like the way your talking about my mates over this forum, if your wanting to call us "Wannabe skinheads" then at least have the balls to do so face to face.[/quote:6bf982e83d]

    LMAO really diffusing the impression that this guy got of yous like.

    Also, it's clearly the same person, one post.

    Feel wick!
  33. avatar SlowJoe
    Because im really the same person.
  34. avatar salfhal
    EDIT > Can'g be fucked getting involved.
  35. avatar TheShredguru
    Guys Cryptic had not a thing to do with this I know that for a fact; Chris and Cryptic Promotions put everything they've got into their company and so if You diss them then I shall rape yer corpse. Got me? Thanks :)
  36. avatar Chi-Lite
    So who was it?

    Why are these people 1313 saying they had nothing to do with it? Did an unknown voice just phone the guy one day to tell him an unknown band might be playing in the front page?

    Somebody must be responsible for booking the venue and the bands. If it wasn't this Cryptic guy, who the fuck was it? Bands, who phoned you to offer you the gig? Whoever it was, they're responsible.
  37. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    It's the whole thing about some knob fucking around with the kit and changing everything that would drive me mental. And then for that guy to "DJ" for so long leaving the bands only enough time to play 2/3 songs. Complete shambles and sadly, not uncommon.
    Will any lessons be learned from this? Maybe by the band in question but everyone else? Nawwwww.
  38. avatar flightstrip
    IT WAS MEEEE!!.....nah not really.FFS,Chris is one of the good guys and is in it for the music.he's not one of those fly by night money grabbin cunts types.methinks someones been a bad boy and chris is catchin the flak!
    I played in the front page many moons ago with prob the tightest band around at the time and i remember thinking at the time,"STEER CLEAR OF THIS SHITHOLE IN FUTURE!!"......ive never been back
  39. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:1a2983527b="MULLAN Extraordinaire"]It's the whole thing about some knob fucking around with the kit and changing everything that would drive me mental.[/quote:1a2983527b]

    aye, although it depends who's kit it was. Seems nobody knew what was going on, but if I bring my kit to a gig I can just about tolerate the other bands using it. If some fucking pleb got up and started battering it while the DJ was on without so much of a by your leave he'd be asking for a hiding, surely. Or at least "get to fuck off my drumkit, you knobhead prick".

    It just intrigues me that your man 1313 is saying it had nothing to do with him. What was he doing there then? Was he just a hired DJ/doorman? if so, who hired him? And who agreed that he pocket all the money made on the door for himself?

    Sounds to me like he was organising the night, and now wont admit it cause it was a shambles, so is trying to blame somebody else. If he didn't book the venue or the bands, he must know who did, unless he just decided to show up and take money off people.

    and if 1313 weren't the promoter, what the fuck were they? A guy dj'ing and doing the door? Who is April? Since when has the guy who DJs and does the door got to decide who gets paid what? That's the promoter's job, surely.

    Sound like twats to me
  40. avatar punkvsmetal
    hey ive dun a few gigs for cryptic promotions and i can say they have been well run and well advertise, i would strongly recomend doing gigs for him as he is in it for the music and puts allot of effort into his gigs and i feel bad hes being dragged into this shit.
  41. avatar peasandgravy
    this has been great reading.

    so the moral of the story is........
  42. avatar flightstrip
    [quote:2eae32f436="peasandgravy"]this has been great reading.

    so the moral of the story is........[/quote:2eae32f436]


    take a sneaky photo of the person running the gig and post it up on fastfude when it all turns to shit?:lol:
  43. avatar peasandgravy
    :lol: :lol:
    yeah, maybe start a rogues gallery of people to avoid like the plague.