1. avatar fastfude
    I predict Norn Iron pronunciation hilarity, so it is.

    [img:72e75e1e22]http://images.apple.com/ipad/features/images/youtube_20100127.jpg[/img:72e75e1e22]
    [i:72e75e1e22]now you can watch your surfing dog videos on the go, yesterday[/i:72e75e1e22]

    http://www.apple.com/ipad/
  2. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    So what is everyone's response to this then?

    [url=http://www.apple.com/ipad/]Apple Unveils iPad[/url]

    I really can't see what function it fulfils that justifies a minimum $499 price point.

    Its just a big iPhone that can't make calls and I really can't see anyone doing any serious work on it - I'd rather have a macbook / laptop.

    Discuss!
  3. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    It seems we have posted the same thing in the same few minutes - would you be so kind to merge / delete?
  4. avatar fastfude
    It appears to be a giant iPod Touch. I have said iPod Touch, and use it daily.

    It's a great PDA, music player, email client and shoe horn, but a hand-sized device quickly runs up against physical limits for things like reading, watching, interacting by touch.

    There have been other tablets in the past, but running versions of Windows that were deigned to be used with a mouse, not several fingers.

    This yoke presumably runs iPhone OS - designed from the ground up to be a touchscreen OS, and has hordes of third party developers experienced in making iPhone OS software to start populating it.

    I'm guessing this 10-inch jobby will find its niche when people start writing apps that take advantage of all the extra space in creative ways.
  5. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    I'm viewing it as a netbook/SCC replacement for now, but I'd want some slightly more solid info on specs first.
  6. avatar fastfude
    Oddly with my iPod Touch, I don't know or care what the specs are. It's fast and stable and holds more music than I can listen to in a day.

    The hardcore storage and numbercrunching happens elsewhere - on my laptop or desktop - and I sync to that as required.

    I'm guessing it's the same idea with this thing.
  7. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    Apart from mac-heads is there anyone willing to pay £500 (for the most basic model) for the privilege? I use mac products (macbook pro / iphone) and love the interface but the iPad fills a gap in the market that doesn't even exist. The browser can't even play flash for crying out loud! Like the iPhone you will have very little control over the interface / what you install etc.

    If it didn't have the Apple logo it would get no attention at all. But I'm sure it will sell loads regardless! I wish I had that kind of money to waste.
  8. avatar Recycled Alien
    Some of the press have described it as a giant iPhone, which reminded me inescapably of this:
    [img:72e92ca22b]http://techdigest.tv/large_mobile_phone.jpg[/img:72e92ca22b]

    I think you're right that it will find a niche. Hard to see it being more than that, but then I'm clueless about gadgets and what makes people want them.

    Spec wise, it's a lot less powerful than even a very cheap netbook, but it does have that touch-screen and a user interface properly designed for it. Plus there will be about a gazillion apps to download.
  9. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    [quote:8bdd677bef="DontPetABurningDog"]I'm viewing it as a netbook/SCC replacement for now, but I'd want some slightly more solid info on specs first.[/quote:8bdd677bef]

    [url=http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/]Specifications[/url]
  10. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:096d2256f6="fastfude"]It appears to be a giant iPod Touch. I have said iPod Touch, and use it daily.

    It's a great PDA, music player, email client and shoe horn, but a hand-sized device quickly runs up against physical limits for things like reading, watching, interacting by touch. [/quote:096d2256f6]
    I also have an iPod touch (it's what I'm using to type this)and I think it's just brilliant. I really can't see the need for a bigger one. The advantage of the touch is that it's so mobile and does everything you need to do while on a bus or in a car or generally not close to a desktop computer. If I had an I pad I wouldn't use it on the move cause I have my pocket sized iPod and wouldn't use it in the house or in work cause that's where the desktop is. I'm sure it's great and all but I just don't see the gap it's filling. Having said that, it's probably class for epic trips to the crapper.
  11. avatar fastfude
    [quote:6d4f7d950f="DuncanDisorderly"]is there anyone willing to pay £500[/quote:6d4f7d950f]Folks regularly part with this kind of cash for consumer electronics (Note: this is not a device for geeks and techies alone). Every house on my street seems to have a wall-sized non-interactive single-purpose TV that costs four figures. Not to mention consoles and their games and accessories.

    [quote:6d4f7d950f]iPad fills a gap in the market that doesn't even exist[/quote:6d4f7d950f]
    This I agree with, but I'm waiting to see what the 3rd party devs come up with. The iPhone owes a big part of its success to them.

    [quote:6d4f7d950f]The browser can't even play flash for crying out loud![/quote:6d4f7d950f]
    Good! The damn thing eats batteries, crashes and is a bane to the web! Also, see this excellent piece on [url=http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash]Apple, Adobe and Flash[/url].

    [quote:6d4f7d950f]Like the iPhone you will have very little control over the interface / what you install etc[/quote:6d4f7d950f]
    Yes you do, same as the iPhone, indeed moreso it seems.
  12. avatar fastfude
    [quote:922aff407e="Deestroyer"]it's probably class for epic trips to the crapper.[/quote:922aff407e]
    A new market is born!
  13. avatar Scarboy
    [quote:bad764cabb="DuncanDisorderly"]Apart from mac-heads is there anyone willing to pay £500 (for the most basic model) for the privilege? [/quote:bad764cabb]

    Just wondering where you've got the £500 figure from? It's $500, which would be £308ish so I'd expect it when launched here to be £350-£400.

    It's not exactly what I was expecting, I think the home screen looks far too empty, but it could be a really good device. The keyboard dock is a fantastic idea and the ibook store should be great. Hopefully it'll accept all epub books (which I have hundreds of) and not just ones sold through the store. Would be very handy to have all course text books in one device.
  14. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    High end tech tends to translate at a 1:1 ratio - I'd say a £300 price point would be more appealing but I really can't see it happening.
  15. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:a3551ecc07="fastfude"][quote:a3551ecc07]The browser can't even play flash for crying out loud![/quote:a3551ecc07]
    Good! The damn thing eats batteries, crashes and is a bane to the web! Also, see this excellent piece on [url=http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash]Apple, Adobe and Flash[/url].[/quote:a3551ecc07]I loathe and detest Flash, but I have it on my computer, because there's loads of stuff on the Internet using it.

    That guy praises Apple for preferring patented H.264 over proprietary Flash, but the difference seems pretty narrow to me. (I seem to remember that Apple were one of the vested interests who torpedoed a free and open video codec for HTML5.)

    The real reason Apple is opposed to Flash is because if it was fully implemented on iPhone, say, it would break at least their control over good user interface practice; and possibly provide a route to security exploits.
  16. avatar InnerCitiesClaud
    Every time i read '[i:d460062e78]iPad[/i:d460062e78]' I automatically think of a chav trying to say '[i:d460062e78]iPod[/i:d460062e78]' :S
  17. avatar fastfude
    [quote:95e30e2f66="Recycled Alien"]That guy praises Apple for preferring patented H.264 over proprietary Flash, but the difference seems pretty narrow to me.[/quote:95e30e2f66]
    I tend to agree, but there was some debate on this very point a while ago:

    http://daringfireball.net/linked/2008/07/18/aac-ogg-mp3

    Dunno if the patent concerns of Ogg were ever tested though. US patent law seems to have been written explicitly to benefit trolls and ambulance-chasers and no-one else.
  18. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Intereting as those numbers are, I probably should have said I wanted a fuller picture of it's capabilities, rather than spec. Entirely my fault, I do apologise, and thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
  19. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:ea7af611c8="fastfude"]
    [quote:ea7af611c8]iPad fills a gap in the market that doesn't even exist[/quote:ea7af611c8]
    This I agree with, but I'm waiting to see what the 3rd party devs come up with. The iPhone owes a big part of its success to them.[/quote:ea7af611c8]

    I'm thinking about possible music interfaces that could be created with it
    a touch screen mixer for example, or some strange midi controller taking advantage of the larger touch screen.
  20. avatar zuma
    Now you're talking - an app to uses this as an interface for Logic would be lethal!!
  21. avatar thesacredhearts
    totally doable of course. just using it as a mixer session in logic nodes would be class. probably of use to super techie sound men types in a live environment.
  22. avatar thesacredhearts
    although, built on the iphone os? no multitasking.
  23. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    That's a pretty decent point, right there. I'm completely failing to see an advantage to this over and above a half-decent FOSS/Windows tablet-style netbook, and seeing more and more disadvantages.
  24. avatar my-angel-rocks
    http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad
  25. avatar NumberBlack
    When I seen it I also thought whats the point in this.
    Just seems like a massive iphone, from what I've read only app store applications install on it, thats ok for a mobile phone but as a $500 computer of sorts its not really helpful. The 3G feature I heard will have to be taken on as a data plan which means monthly payments, there is no USB so you can't use a current 3G dongle, really?
    And the continuation with the lack of flash is ridiculous. Prob just repeating what other people said, I just skimmed through most.
  26. avatar my-angel-rocks
    There is a converter for USB, but there's probably no drivers for 3G dongles
  27. avatar fastfude
    Yes, but if you want all those features, there's already a solution: a laptop.

    This is something different.

    I'm not sure [i:876e50a2fe]what[/i:876e50a2fe] yet, but I think it misses the point to expect it to just be a curious looking laptop or netbook.
  28. avatar thesacredhearts
    Converter for usb. So much for the universal part of the name.

    I think its a pretty pointless piece of kit tbh. Lack of multitasking is a huge let down.
  29. avatar fastfude
    It's not, to be honest. It's done the iPhone no harm at all. I'm not sure there's a case to be made for multitasking (or USB ports etc) on a thing like this.

    Again, it depends on the apps that get written for it. Since there's no 'obvious' use-case, we have to wait and see how people actually use it, and what for, before getting upset about what it lacks.
  30. avatar thesacredhearts
    the only market i see this going for is the e-reader market. which makes sense if it is the case. when compared with a kindle/sony book thing, this will probably win out with the extra connectivity features, despite the larger price tag.

    but if it is aimed at this market, why make it that big? why not make it with a fully featured os? i mean the book type functionality is just software after all. and your competitors will and do already have designs on tablet pc's with windows 7.

    the difference between this and an iphone, was that an iphone had an out of the box functionality that users needed, surfing the net&making calls etc, where as this seems to serve no purpose that isnt already fulfilled. its waiting for someone to give it purpose, rather than solve a problem.
  31. avatar fastfude
    It does have a fully featured OS, Shirley? What's missing?

    Also, [url=http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/shiny-thing-make-it-all-better-201001282420/]Shiny Thing Make It All Better[/url].
  32. avatar silent koala
    You're going to look like a total chop if you use it on the bus though.
  33. avatar Recycled Alien
    [img:9dcd1c72ae]http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/ipad.jpg[/img:9dcd1c72ae]
  34. avatar Andrew Mc Gibbon
    d
  35. avatar Andrew Mc Gibbon
    an iProd

    [img:cc2f52f046]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/motorsounds/iProd.jpg[/img:cc2f52f046]

    Steve Jobs and Elmer Fudd, who'da thunk it
  36. avatar fastfude
    As a future face-saver, it's worth remembering the famous Slashdot reaction to the original iPod release:

    [quote:33c18ea3b5]No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.[/quote:33c18ea3b5]
    http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257&tid=107
  37. avatar Nocarsgo
    [quote:8cc785bc3b="thesacredhearts"]the only market i see this going for is the e-reader market. which makes sense if it is the case. when compared with a kindle/sony book thing, this will probably win out with the extra connectivity features, despite the larger price tag.

    [/quote:8cc785bc3b]

    I've got a Kindle, and they're brilliant. The main reason why is that e-ink screen, and I think that's why a significant proportion of people buy them. At the end of the day I think this iBookstore thing is just being tacked on.

    There are similar tablets coming out in 2010: mostly powered by the same sort of arrangement as this iPad (Tegra 2, basically) running Android. In addition you've got things like the HP Slate coming out, running full Windows 7.
  38. avatar fastfude
    [quote:9ea90dcfae]mostly powered by the same sort of arrangement as this iPad[/quote:9ea90dcfae]

    None are - Apple made the iPad CPU themselves.

    edit: or [url=http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/apples-a4-is-an-arm-based-system-on-a-chip-a-la-tegra-2/]may not have[/url] after all (hat-tip my-angel-rocks).

    [quote:9ea90dcfae="Nocarsgo"]running full Windows 7[/quote:9ea90dcfae]
    This keeps coming up. What use is that on a non-laptop device with no mouse or user-exposed filesystem? If you need a desktop OS, buy a desktop computer, surely?

    The best OS interface I'm aware of for this type of device is iPhone OS. Windows (and OS X for that matter) would be awful to try and use on a finger-driven tablet interface.
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  39. avatar fastfude
    Some good thoughts here:
    http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/jan/28/ipad-thoughts/

    [quote:18d4bb2684]If youíre reading this blog, this is almost certainly not the device for you. At least not today. But stop for a minute to consider a regular person. What do they need? They need to browse the web. They need e-mail. They want to interact with the photos from their digital camera. They want maps and e-books and music and movies. But really, thatís about it. Theyíre consumers of media, not creators. What do they really want that the iPad canít do out of the box?

    Nothing, thatís what.

    ...

    Letís talk about multitasking. For those of you who are bitching that thereís no multitasking, I have one thing to say: get over yourselves. Youíre a fucking geek and regular people arenít. Regular people donít need multitasking. Shit, 95% of Windows user maximize every window, anyway. So quit your bitching about multitasking, and letís talk about something that really matters: multi-user support.[/quote:18d4bb2684]
  40. avatar Recycled Alien
    When they say "no multitasking" in iPhone OS, does that literally mean that you can't, say, listen to music while you browse the Internet?

    'cos, I mean, my £25 Chinese phone can do that. (If I wanted it to.)
  41. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:37fc674ec1="Nocarsgo"]I've got a Kindle, and they're brilliant. The main reason why is that e-ink screen, and I think that's why a significant proportion of people buy them. At the end of the day I think this iBookstore thing is just being tacked on.[/quote:37fc674ec1]

    The e-ink screen is fantastic technology, and is much better for reading off than the ipad's screen and has a much better battery life too.

    [quote:37fc674ec1]There are similar tablets coming out in 2010: mostly powered by the same sort of arrangement as this iPad (Tegra 2, basically) running Android. In addition you've got things like the HP Slate coming out, running full Windows 7.[/quote:37fc674ec1]

    Well, Windows 7 UI sucks on touchscreen, because its not designed for that.

    [quote:37fc674ec1="fastfude"] As a future face-saver, it's worth remembering the famous Slashdot reaction to the original iPod release[/quote:37fc674ec1]

    Two things on that
    a) Its slashdot, a haven for complete morons (and I include CmdrTaco in that)
    b) The original iPod was pretty crap, especially compared to the competition. It sold well enough to encourage them to make newer versions, and it did get better, but the reason it got that initial push was the trendy people who bought it cos it looked better than the competition (which, having used one is truely impressive...)

    Is this thing good or not, I don't know. I don't really like how it looks, I'm disappointed that the only UI they could come up with seems to be a larger ipod with a dock and a background, although I don't know what I was expecting. Like Rog says, it depends on the apps that get written. I can think of a few (non-music) related ones that could be good for it (sadly I'm contractually unable to write them, or at least, unable to write and distribute), and certain situations that it would be great for. People who are thinking this is meant to replace a phone or a laptop/netbook are I think missing the point.
  42. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:036a7dd937="my-angel-rocks"]The e-ink screen is fantastic technology, and is much better for reading off than the ipad's screen and has a much better battery life too.[/quote:036a7dd937]

    See - I disagree entirely.. the battery life is great, but the refresh on e-ink is a complete pain in the arse, and drops me out of the narrative of a book right away. It's too slow and obtrusive. They're working on it though, so once that's sorted it'll be a lot better. The thing that would make it an instant killer app for me would be if you could flick the page like finger gestures in OSX. I have a feeling reading a book on the iPad will be a much more pleasurable experience, but the battery life will kill it.
  43. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:1c2560e97b="tenrabbits"][the refresh on e-ink is a complete pain in the arse, and drops me out of the narrative of a book right away.[/quote:1c2560e97b]

    See, I agree, that is annoying, but what I meant by it being better for reading is that the ipad screen refreshes at 60hz, whereas the e-ink screen has no refresh rate. that 60hz is only perceptible subliminally, but it makes our eyes tired (which makes reading harder), whereas the e-ink screen is just like reading a book, there is no flicker. Other advantages the e-ink stuff has is that the viewing angle is great and it works in bright sunlight.

    There's a reason book readers weren't overly popular before e-ink technology, and thats because LCD screens just aren't good for reading from.

    [quote:1c2560e97b]I have a feeling reading a book on the iPad will be a much more pleasurable experience, but the battery life will kill it.[/quote:1c2560e97b]

    There's no way the iPad can compete with e-ink on battery life :) Now, I'm not saying the ipad doesn't have advantages over e-ink stuff for book reading, colour and being able to annotate the book easily, but for reading comfort the e-ink stuff wins.

    but I don't see the iPad as a book reader replacement.
  44. avatar thesacredhearts
    [quote:2d4ebf991c="Recycled Alien"]When they say "no multitasking" in iPhone OS, does that literally mean that you can't, say, listen to music while you browse the Internet?

    'cos, I mean, my £25 Chinese phone can do that. (If I wanted it to.)[/quote:2d4ebf991c]

    Pretty much. Thats my main issue with it.

    And to say its only a geeks "must have" is myopic at best. People want to be able to flick between mail, browser, their book and be listening to music at the same time while their twitter app updates. they just dont know the term for it.
  45. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:6abdd06e86="Recycled Alien"]When they say "no multitasking" in iPhone OS, does that literally mean that you can't, say, listen to music while you browse the Internet?[/quote:6abdd06e86]

    No. it means you can only have one application running at once.
    Music is played by a system daemon. So basically, you start itunes, it tells the music daemon to play something, you close itunes and the music continues as you open the web browser.
  46. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:ed9881ea16="fastfude"]Letís talk about multitasking. For those of you who are bitching that thereís no multitasking, I have one thing to say: get over yourselves. Youíre a fucking geek and regular people arenít. Regular people donít need multitasking. Shit, 95% of Windows user maximize every window, anyway.[/quote:ed9881ea16]

    Actually, regular people do find a multitasking OS useful, and while I don't think its essential for the iPad, I think it seriously limits the potential.

    But honestly, if Steve Jobs had released a breeze block, there'd still be Apple fanboys writing "No screen? Get over yourselves, who the fuck needs a screen?"

    Incidently, Ron has been very quiet. Has he been in an Apple induced coma at the thought of this?
  47. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:f8967e08de="my-angel-rocks"][quote:f8967e08de="tenrabbits"][the refresh on e-ink is a complete pain in the arse, and drops me out of the narrative of a book right away.[/quote:f8967e08de]

    See, I agree, that is annoying, but what I meant by it being better for reading is that the ipad screen refreshes at 60hz, whereas the e-ink screen has no refresh rate. that 60hz is only perceptible subliminally, but it makes our eyes tired (which makes reading harder), whereas the e-ink screen is just like reading a book, there is no flicker. Other advantages the e-ink stuff has is that the viewing angle is great and it works in bright sunlight.[/quote:f8967e08de]

    Here - now this is just wrong. 60Hz is not perceptible at all, and the only reason that Americans used to claim our TV was flickery (which in fact it is - if you have an old tube telly turn it upside down and you'll see the flicker, it's just that our brains filtered it out years ago!) was because it's interlaced, so it's actually only 25frames per sec, which is visible due to persistence of vision. Tube tellys had the issue of long term viewing added to because of the way they work, in that each pixel essentially flickers as it gets hit by an electron. This idea is a holdover from the old days of tube telly!

    You are quite right about the sunlight issue though, although the viewing angle is a bit of a red herring as how often do you read a book held at a funny angle?!
  48. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d83772ccde="tenrabbits"]Here - now this is just wrong. 60Hz is not perceptible at all[/quote:d83772ccde]

    Perceptible may be the wrong word, it still causes a strain on the eyes making them tired.

    [quote:d83772ccde]You are quite right about the sunlight issue though, although the viewing angle is a bit of a red herring as how often do you read a book held at a funny angle?![/quote:d83772ccde]

    two people reading at the same time, or showing something to someone? I dont know, i think its more in the "it acts more like a real book" category so people are more comfortable with it.
  49. avatar fastfude
    [quote:c6446781ae="Recycled Alien"]When they say "no multitasking" in iPhone OS, does that literally mean that you can't, say, listen to music while you browse the Internet?[/quote:c6446781ae]

    No, but multitasking is strictly off-limits to 3rd party apps for stability and performance reasons. Apple's own apps do it though (such as your example of browsing and playing music).

    3rd party apps can make use of Push notifications though, such as the Facebook app alerting you to new FB messages without being open.

    http://daringfireball.net/2008/03/one_app_at_a_time

    ( Sorry to keep linking to DF, but it's a good resource for these questions, which have been gone over a great deal in the developer community already. )
  50. avatar fastfude
    [quote:b0feba07e0="my-angel-rocks"]"No screen? Get over yourselves, who the fuck needs a screen?"[/quote:b0feba07e0]

    cf. iPod Shuffle :)
  51. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:2194f58f29]If youíre reading this blog, this is almost certainly not the device for you. At least not today. But stop for a minute to consider a regular person. What do they need? They need to browse the web. They need e-mail. They want to interact with the photos from their digital camera. They want maps and e-books and music and movies. But really, thatís about it. Theyíre consumers of media, not creators. What do they really want that the iPad canít do out of the box?

    Nothing, thatís what.[/quote:2194f58f29]
    AhhhHHHhhh... now I get it. I didn't understand it before, but now I totally get it. Most people have to buy laptops even though all they wanna do is look at youtube, check their facebook, browse the web and fanny about on games, which is only an 'enth of what desktops are designed to do.
    This is optimised to do all the things the average casual computer user wants to do. But with this there's no programme installation or virus scanning or system restoring or disk defragging or any shit like that. It just does all the fun stuff and you don't have to sit at a desk to do it. Fuck me, it's genius.
  52. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:827dde63fa="my-angel-rocks"]Incidently, Ron has been very quiet. Has he been in an Apple induced coma at the thought of this?[/quote:827dde63fa]

    Akshully, my internet broke yesterday (Stoopid Virgin) so my ability to digitally stamp my feet has been hampered.

    However, a kind donation of a 3 MiFi and I'm up and, well, walking.

    iPad - I can see how I'd enjoy owning one, especially if I was a commuter or heavy traveller. I'm not though, so it's harder to justify it.

    It COULD be the greatest mobile gaming platform ever. It POSSIBLY could be the saviour of the comics industry if certain people can get their acts together before there is a format war on that front.

    They certainly seem to have a great handle on how one interacts with a device like this, and have re-designed the Apple iWork suite in a total WowGoshNice way - I wouldn't mind having a wee go a typing a letter on it to see what it feels like though.

    The main thing though is that I honestly believe the significance of the iPad is yet to be fully realised. How many of us have people in our lives who need a computer, but don't need A COMPUTER, ie all they need is something that fulfils a few key functions in life - internet, watching stuff, photos, email, typing the odd letter, date book... but they've no interest in dealing with anti-virus, file-systems, boot-times, video-editing, zip-files... basically all the things that the average computer does OK, but someone like my Ma has zero need for.

    This, and things like it, is the device for them. For EVERYONE. Sure, you can do a lot of this on an iPhone, but the increased screen real estate will make it a more pleasurable experience.

    Once Google's Chrome OS comes out I predict you'll see a lot of people essentially having the same sort of thing on a Netbook - a thing for getting on the net and doing a handful of non-processor-intensive tasks.

    If you need to write a lot of code, it's probably not for you.
    If you need to record a podcast and edit it, it's probably not for you.
    If you need to write a quick email, check facebook, watch a movie, browse the BBC news site then play a game of Peggle in Hi Def... it MIGHT just be for you.

    So, them's my thoughts. I want one, but mainly because it looks like it could be a GREAT comics reader and movie player on the go, with lots of gorgeous UI features.

    But then you all knew I'd say that, didn't you?

    Wait and see - this time next year, Netbooks will start to disappear, and tablets will be the thing for on the go use.
  53. avatar Recycled Alien
    I think you're right that there could be great potential for games. Orientation sensors built in, right? So you could hold it like a steering wheel and drive.
  54. avatar my-angel-rocks
    Or two player games like chess, travel scrabble...noughts and crosses.

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  55. avatar InnerCitiesClaud
    [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1246801/Apple-iPad-met-derision-laughter-web-users.html]The Daily Mail seem to love it.[/url]
  56. avatar Kristam Moffett
    [url=http://52weeksofux.com/post/358515809/apples-ipad-for-what-audience]thought this was interesting[/url]
  57. avatar fastfude
    One year on and the thing none of us could quite understand the point of, has become Apple's most successful product and is turing a lot of things upside down. Think I'll be buying the iPad2 on day one.

    <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HpiVeC1Z3yI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    The education uses are awe-inspiring. I challenge anyone not to blub reading [url=http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ipad+autism]the stories of kids with autism[/url] finding an outlet for expression in the iPad. Hype and marketing aside, this is the kind of thing that they didn't plan for but happened given the opportunity: http://speirs.org/blog/tag/theipadproject

    It's not what it is, it's how it's used.
  58. avatar The Ronster
    Also, I'm pleased to be prove wrong on my point about using it as a recording device - that GarageBand app is sheer brilliance. It's as if it was always meant to be operated in that fashion. Same goes for iMovie.

    I really, really want one now, but I'm a poor peasant.
  59. avatar The Ronster
    Also, I think it's pretty interesting to review the comments about price again.

    It's turned out that no-one can make these things as cheaply as Apple, despite what the initial impressions were.

    I just don't see the point of buying a Samsung or Motorola tablet when the iPad is cheaper and has such a huge amount of apps available on its platform.
  60. avatar Pavel
    [quote:537558004f]I challenge anyone not to blub reading the stories of kids with autism finding an outlet for expression in the iPad. Hype and marketing aside, this is the kind of thing that they didn't plan for but happened given the opportunity...[/quote:537558004f]

    ...hmm.

    This I do not like.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for expression, it's the marketing use of Autism that fucks me off so much I want to touch the wall seventeen times.
  61. avatar iain
    [quote:4630508537="me, a year ago, in a moment of lucidity"]I'm thinking about possible music interfaces that could be created with it[/quote:4630508537]

    I thank you. I believe my royalty cheque from Steve Jobs is in the post.

    [quote:4630508537="me, still lucid"][quote:4630508537="someone"] In addition you've got things like the HP Slate coming out, running full Windows 7.[/quote:4630508537]
    Well, Windows 7 UI sucks on touchscreen, because its not designed for that.[/quote:4630508537]

    Having a Windows 7 tablet on my desk, I can tell you that I was completely right on this point as well. The Win7 tablet experience is incredibly bad. An anecdotal review:

    First boot, you get dropped to the standard win7 setup utility, with time setting spinboxes that are literally the size of a pen nib. Impossible to control with your fingers. So, fuck setting time I'm only testing it out. Get through the setup, including setting up a user account, and get dropped to the standard Win7 desktop. play around with it a bit, and decide to shut the thing down. 4 minutes later and its still spinning on the shutting down screen. So I just turn it off.

    Second boot: "Windows did not shut down properly: Entering safe mode in 10 seconds" count down happens and 10 seconds later we're booting to safe mode. A dialog appears on the screen "Windows did not shut down properly. Would you like Windows to run a disk scan to check for damaged files? [Yes] [No]" Which is pretty crap user experience from a conceptual perspective, but as the touchscreen drivers haven't been loaded yet so I can't press the buttons and every time I reboot the same thing happens, as a normal user, I would have thought that my brand new tablet was broken within 10 minutes of me opening the box.

    In short: Win7 on tablet, just say no.

    My opinion on the iPad2 is that its a game changing release and cements Apple as the market leader in the tablet space which I can't see any other manufacturer being able to usurp. I'll probably be explaining it to people in private at every opportunity.
  62. avatar fastfude
    Here's the new iPad Garageband tour:

    http://www.apple.com/ipad/guided-tours/#video-garageband

    http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2011/tours/apple-ipad2-guidedtour-garageband-us-20110308_r848-9cie.mov
  63. avatar TheJaneBradfords
    My girlfriend has an ipad2 and only through continued use have I come to realise how brilliant they are. Garageband is superb - maybe not for producing finished tracks but certainly for lazily sketching out quick ideas. There is so much potential for it over the next few years - especially in terms of music. It's completely won me over.

    The only gripe is the oft mentioned backlight bleed. She's taking hers back to the store when there's better stock levels but its not something that overly bothers either of us - even in dark rooms.
  64. avatar fastfude
    I have one now and I'm also fairly smitten by it. My main motivation for owning one was to read more. I am forever [url=http://www.instapaper.com/]instapapering[/url] things I want to come back to, but until now haven't had a 'nice' way to lounge on the sofa of a weekend and actually read it all. Now I do, and the attention to detail in how they've made that experience work is great.

    Watching [url=http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/bbc-iplayer/id416580485?mt=8]iPlayer[/url]/[url=http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/ted/id376183339?mt=8]TED[/url]/iTunes films is also surprisingly good, especially in non-living room setups (ie in bed, cooking, garden, cafe, what have you). Image and sound quality is excellent and the foldable smart-covers are very handy as a display stand.

    My only gripe to date is that some of my iPhone apps don't have a native iPad version (I'm looking at you, Skype), though presumably developers need a bit of catch-up time.

    (no backlight problems here though - screen seems flawless)
  65. avatar FlashII
    I've ordered one of these bad boys myself, though it'll be a few weeks before it arrives - hopefully with no backlight issues :S . It seems perfect for what I'm after, casual net browsing, playing silly games etc. I love the fact you get around 10 hours battery and the screen wakes up instantly when you remove the smart cover. So you can just pick it up and you're ready to rock i.e. no fartin about with boot up times.

    I read a statement from Propellerhead, regarding a possible version of Reason for iPad. That's a tastey prospect for me, even if it is stripped down to some degree. Although Garageband does look excellent as a multitracker, to be fair.

    Didn't Damon Albarn use the first iPad to write a Gorillas album? I wonder how he went about it.