I suspect his point is that as a PR company we'd expect you to demonstrate your ability to promote a client by making your own self-promotion exemplary. You should eat your own dog food, as the yanks would say.
If the above is all we have to go by, I wouldn't imagine any band wanting to hand over money for your services. An artist can do that themselves for free and to greater effect on the various sites and social networks out there.
You're very succinct Mr. Fastfude. Cherryred, it's not enough to say "here's an e-mail address, sure e-mail me if you could be arsed." I don't think that approach does you any favours. Isn't it all about the way you present yourself in PR?
No Its about you present your client, no one ever sees the Publicist. Its also not about "email if you could be arsed" its about young bands, or established bands seeing an opportunity to work with some one new and taking it. Sending an email doesnt cost anything and its not harmful to check your opportunities. Which is all the ad was designed to do. Let people know CherryPR&Management is out there and if they want to know more about it, just write a quick email.
I'm afraid any credit you thought you had in terms of artist relations and music PR may have just been lost! Your approach reeks of "back-street" and amateur ability. If you're so "good" and worth investing in - who do you work for? Do you have a website? Other than that fact that you have "stuck your email address up here" - why should anyone contact you/ Why are you any different to anyone else?
Take this as constructive criticism mate - I promoted bands for over 10 years and if you're going to make a go of it you'll need to be a little more explicit and detail what you can do for folks.
fuck sake, everyones an expert here? give the person a break.
they're offering their services, if you want to take it, contact them, if not then "dont be a dick" as they say on the forum rules.
I notice its the same people guerning about the lack of whatever in Northern Ireland music scene.....and then a post appears adverising certain services....
Its same old thing....everytime an outside company posts on here the wolves come out. Questions of "how much is your fee" and the like get put across in a pretty negative way and sometimes agressive manner before people have had a chance. And you wonder why there is a lack of advertising taken on the site?
Given yes there probably are a number of these companies that may be as useful as a chocloate firegaurd but is it really up to people to set upon them verbally everytime they post? really?
Is up to people themselves if they want to email these companies and ask them questions. personally i wouldnt but thats MY choice. but i mean its not as if its fucking micky most trying to sign them into a 5 year deal. of course they are going to charge for a service. thats given . lighten up.
I agree with gerry, fair play to the guy for getting involved and offering, but at the same time a band isnt gonna come on here and say 'our EPs for sale go here and buy it...(insert link)' and leave it at that.. theres a degree of salesmanship needed and while the original poster has a good idea, all he had to do was provide a few more details; experience, background, current clients. Those few things would make it altogether more professional looking, and considering hes offering to promote bands, his own ineffective promotion doesnt help his cause.
I dont mean to have a go Cherry...keep up the good work, just that little bit more detail could have averted the gazes of the regulars on here who criticize everything...
however i condone in every shape and form criticizm of that dolphin bombers ballbag.
[quote:6e2641e223="unplugged"]Is up to people themselves if they want to email these companies and ask them questions. personally i wouldnt but thats MY choice. but i mean its not as if its fucking micky most trying to sign them into a 5 year deal. of course they are going to charge for a service. thats given . lighten up.[/quote:6e2641e223]
I don't agree with this. I think its one of the best things about fastfude that the older heads are around to spot shysters and warn younger, more naive bands off dodgy deals. A good example being the short shrift that 'pay to play' and 'pay to promote' merchants get on here. The result of this is that anyone coming to fastfude in order to sell themselves/a product/a company has to be a damn sight more professional looking than they would otherwise.
I also disagree with the guy aboves comments that 'Its not a job application'. You're a PR company, and you're looking for bands that would like to pay you money to promote them. That's exactly what this is. Everything you do with your PR companies' name on it reflects on the bands you promote, whether you think it does or not.
Ash's management never had a website. Their press agency doesn't seem to have a website. They are both successful businesses based on word of mouth and never had a slick website offering their services, yet these remain valuable services to bands.
(**i lie, ash's management NOW has a website, but you be the judge of its slickness)
A website means nothing in the day-to-day business of getting in touch with industry people. It's all about contacts. That said, a client list or a link to a basic site with an honest mission statement wouldn't go amiss. Setting up a website is pretty simple these days.
Yes, bands pay either through commission or fees, but that's how it goes. NOTHING IS FREE IN THE MUSIC BIZZ. Everyone wants a piece of the action and if you work hard, you deserve your share.
Cherry MAY be another evil group of shysters OR honest and hardworking, but you can't judge a company by its advertising budget and every business has to start somewhere.
Steve Strange, a ginger-haired dude from Carrickfergus, used to promote bands in the Limelight. He is now agent to Ash, Eminem, Coldplay, Snow Patrol, QOTSA. Don't think he ever had more than a phone number and a business card.
Now check out his AMAZING website... http://www.xraytouring.com/
[quote:7d3fa6978f="Leif Bodnarchuk"]Cherry MAY be another evil group of shysters OR honest and hardworking, but you can't judge a company by its advertising budget and every business has to start somewhere.[/quote:7d3fa6978f]
Quite true, and apologies to Cherry for being the example of the hour, but posting here is FREE. It would cost them NOTHING but ten minutes of their time to compose a paragraph or two about what they do, why a band ought to be interested in them and why they'd be better for your band than any of the competition.
From the opening post, we just can't tell if they're shysters or honest - that's the problem.
Flatyre's post is bang on the money. The cumulative experience of posters is an amazingly effective defence against the sharks of the industry. That's invaluable to musicians young and old. It can be harsh, but it is honest.
A few bruised egos are easily mended, and I imagine a PR agent in the music industry encounters far worse bastards than any message board poster!
obviously a pr company won't say in public what avenues they will persue to promote an artist, as, to be honest, a hard working member of any band could probably do the same thing. pr people, generally, have a few contacts and the training in how to write perfect press releases and how to speak to the appropriate people.
a good pr company worth its salt will get a fantastic band a feature in regional music press far quicker than the osmosis of the same band if they had little or no pr, just gigs. likewise, a good management company should be able to get the same band a support slot with a major act playing in the area for the same reasons.
i'd say, give them a chance to prove themeselves. they may just be a person or persons looking to help bands in their spare time and have little or no real contacts and seek no reward, but surely, through time, they'll get better.
Mr Microsoft.. whats his name?? him with the glasses, spending billions to try and cure malaria..
Once said.. "if i was down to my last $10 I'd spend it on PR"
There's no doubt that good PR can be a very effective tool for band recognition. If you want to make a living in music then it'll not hurt you to send an email.. If you don't like the response so be it. However as most people complain about fees & commissions the email will cost you nout.
[quote:2fb079bb24="jonnymul"]Mr Microsoft.. whats his name?? him with the glasses, spending billions to try and cure malaria..
Once said.. "if i was down to my last $10 I'd spend it on PR" [/quote:2fb079bb24]
Aye, but if $10 gets you this, I'd rather eat the money.
[quote:90df2c8c22="fastfude"][quote:90df2c8c22="jonnymul"]Mr Microsoft.. whats his name?? him with the glasses, spending billions to try and cure malaria..
Once said.. "if i was down to my last $10 I'd spend it on PR" [/quote:90df2c8c22]
Aye, but if $10 gets you this, I'd rather eat the money.
Sure the fact you're emailing it to me proves how effective it is.. Its all brand awareness. Granted they have had a few clangers ref their Advertising creative, however these two dark arts are very different things.
Brand awareness? Is there anyone who doesn't know what Microsoft is already?
No, what Microsoft needs is not more people knowing they exist, they need people to believe they have their shit together and are a worthy, reliable company again after 10+ years of repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.