1. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    I'm surprised there is no topic on this yet - must be all Northern Ireland fans! Even though it will solve nothing, there is a call to petition FIFA at [url=http://www.fifa.com/contact/form.html]this link[/url] with the hope of obtaining a replay. Politics aside, it is blatantly apparent that what happened was not fair and its about time video referring was brought in. At least FIFA got its way and the minnows are out at the expense of the superstars of France.

    Anyway, here is the goal in question and Henry's ridiculous excuse!

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  2. avatar Deadlights
    There will never be a replay. There would be a massive uproar from teams everywhere that have had decisions go against them.

    The referees interpretation of the events on the pitch is part of the game, and I think it should stay that way.

    Say NO to video ref!
  3. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    [quote:c1d0d99a95="Deadlights"]There will never be a replay. There would be a massive uproar from teams everywhere that have had decisions go against them.

    The referees interpretation of the events on the pitch is part of the game, and I think it should stay that way.

    Say NO to video ref![/quote:c1d0d99a95]

    I really don't get this and would be interested in why you say so? The 'it will slow down the game' argument doesn't wash with me seeing as replays are almost instantaneous and you would just have to radio down to the referee's ear piece.

    The biggest flaw with football is that poor decisions are made by officials and the game therefore doesn't truly reward skill or achievement.

    Just how exactly would video refereeing destroy football?
  4. avatar Deestroyer
    I'm absolutely gutted Ireland have gone out, but at the same time you have to admit that if Ireland had gone through via a blatant handball there wouldn't be a word about it. Football is riddled with such instances, and it probably all evens out in the end. Sadly.
    I think the most obvious solution is to have two extra referees or linesmen, one on each goal line. This would pretty much stop all goal mouth mis-judgements, end false penalty claims, goal line decisions, illegal corner taking jostling, and could easily be disseminated down through to the lower leagues. It's cheap, it's easy to do, won't disrupt the flow of the game, and would virtually end controversies like this one.
    Any Fastfuders work for Fifa?
  5. avatar albrechtspencil
    Say no to progress!

    Look what happened to Rugby and Tennis! Do we really want the end of the fat middle-aged soap opera that is debating the football results?!

    Where will these people go when they can't spend every waking hour glued to sky sports or waiting for The Sun to print the name and addresses of referees who make calls that don't suit them? (they have actually done this in the past).

    They'll be destitute!
  6. avatar danbastard
    I don't give much of a crap about football, but for a country to lose out in participating in the World Cup due to an obvious handball isn't exactly fair. A replay should be had, although it's very doubtful that it will.
  7. avatar remaderyan
    If Ireland had won on a handball, you could bet your life on it that fifa would grant a replay.
  8. avatar Stuntman Steve
    [quote:02a09a0f85]
    Deestroyer
    Thu 19th Nov 2009, 4:58 pm

    I'm absolutely gutted Ireland have gone out, but at the same time you have to admit that if Ireland had gone through via a blatant handball there wouldn't be a word about it. Football is riddled with such instances, and it probably all evens out in the end. Sadly.
    I think the most obvious solution is to have two extra referees or linesmen, one on each goal line. This would pretty much stop all goal mouth mis-judgements, end false penalty claims, goal line decisions, illegal corner taking jostling, and could easily be disseminated down through to the lower leagues. It's cheap, it's easy to do, won't disrupt the flow of the game, and would virtually end controversies like this one.
    Any Fastfuders work for Fifa?
    [/quote:02a09a0f85]

    completely agree.definately shouldnt be replayed. thats stupid and pointless. could replay it and get our asses kicked, or replay it and win then everyone would be like " yeah it took u two trys to win" just swallow the disappointment and keep the dignity. aside from that, what about every other match lost/won through cheating in the 2010 world cup (or any other FIFA match)? replay them too? should just use the whole thing as an example to encourage other players to not cheat and get some fuckin officials behind the goals! i really dont see the problem in that. officials behind the goals would spot every bit of foul play in the box (in particular diving) without getting in the way of the match!
  9. avatar the_doctor199
    A replay will never happen. I do agree that a video referee should be brought in for major decisions like this though. The technology is there, 5 seconds after the goal had went in everyone sitting at home was watching a replay that it had been a hand ball, so it isn't exactly much work to sort it.

    Sort it FIFA!
  10. avatar savagebilliards
    Totally gutted! Though i know if it was other way round i wouldnt be complaining...I dont blame Henry though.

    What is even more disgusting though is that the competition started off with the rule that 2nd place teams go into a pot and are drawn for playoffs. Suddenly the big teams like portugal and FRANCE aint doing so well. So what happens? oh yes lets change the rules so that seeded teams can only be drawn against unseeded teams! Thats fair Monsieur!
    (If I'm wrong about this i'll hold my 'hands' up, but i'm pretty sure i'm right? anyone clarify?) If i'm right The real cheating didnt happen on the pitch it happened at the highest level of FIFA.

    Anyway another shit summer ahead now...i wonder when England will be put out?
  11. avatar huggy baps
    I've already argued this to death elsewhere, so all I'll say here is:

    Dirty, rotten, cheating CUNTS!! Henry should be ashamed.
  12. avatar T Entertainment
    Brian Cowen is raising the issue of a replay with Nicolas Sarkozy!
    And so within 24 hours, the Republic's reaction completely jumps the shark with one hilarious loss of perspective. And I was stabbing my finger with the best of them and shouting 'cunt' last night.
    There is as much chance of a replay as Northern Ireland winning the World Cup in 2014. Or 2010, actually. Although God knows the Irish government desperately needs a populist distraction at the minute.

    It was a shit decision and he's a cheating fucker. But it happens.
    Now everyone knows what the English felt like in 86.
  13. avatar T Entertainment
    And it's virtually impossible to tell! :p


    EDIT: Err, how did my response to Ron's post end up above it?!
    HERBERRRRRTTTTTTT??????? Are you trying to do to me what you did the The NIMICS?????
  14. avatar The Ronster
    I very, very much doubt that there would be any complaints from here if the situation was reversed.

    But then I don't give a flying fuck. In fact, I'm GLAD they're out. Means I don't have to listen to people going on about it now.

    Yup. I'm a weed who was picked last. Even though it was my ball.
  15. avatar babyknowsbest
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  16. avatar shep
    [quote:6f35c62f75]Brian Cowen is raising the issue of a replay with Nicolas Sarkozy![/quote:6f35c62f75]

    Beyond embarrassing :lol:
  17. avatar T Entertainment
    You should have seen him on his way into the meeting in Brussels, bristling about the appalling injustice and pledging full backing. Jesus wept, like. :D

    The French government have been predictably, and hilariously, utterly dismissive. After a short period of clearly genuine disbelief that it had come to this.
  18. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:4d812a76c5="T Entertainment"]The French government have been predictably, and hilariously, utterly dismissive.[/quote:4d812a76c5]

    As the Irish government would be if the situation was reversed!

    Christ, do you honestly believe it would be any other way?
  19. avatar T Entertainment
    Why, yes, Ron. Yes, I do.
    For I am a fucking cretin.
  20. avatar T Entertainment
    Despite this, what I am confident about is that the French government [i:0e3feb22af]wouldn't[/i:0e3feb22af] have made straight-faced, Prime Ministerial-level representations about an un-punished foul in a frigging football match.

    EDIT: It just gets better, not 'high' diplomatic status...!

    "Arriving at a summit meeting of EU leaders in Brussels, Brian Cowen said he agreed with calls for a replay since, 'fair play is a fundamental part of the game.'

    He said he would be discussing the matter with the French President Nicholas Sarkozy on the margins of the summit although he did not want 'to raise it to high diplomatic status.'" RTE



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  21. avatar bottleofsmoke
    [quote:aaca6a2314="Deestroyer"]you have to admit that if Ireland had gone through via a blatant handball there wouldn't be a word about it.[/quote:aaca6a2314]

    ... eh??!!??
  22. avatar Reckoner
    I don't entirely buy the 'we wouldn't be complaining if it was the other way round' thing. No one really wants to get to a World Cup by cheating, which is exactly why the French press have reacted quite strongly against Henry.

    The other issue is that you can't help thinking the reason Fifa really don't give a shit (bizarrely, the match report on their website mentions 'a goal' without any mention of the massive controversy surrounding it) is that they got the result they wanted - big teams make more money than underdogs. After the seeding controversy you can't help but feel this is just a further injustice by an increasingly corrupt organisation, even if it's not necessarily the case.

    Regardless, Henry is a horrible fucker who, seeing as a replay is pretty unlikely, should receive some kind of punishment or ban (though as I'm not a huge football buff I'm not really sure if there's a precedent for this). I heard people were kicking the wing mirrors of Renault Clios on their way home from watching the match last night, which, if a bit twattish and unfair on the poor owners, is pretty funny.
  23. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:d3aad40996="bottleofsmoke"][quote:d3aad40996="Deestroyer"]you have to admit that if Ireland had gone through via a blatant handball there wouldn't be a word about it.[/quote:d3aad40996]

    ... eh??!!??[/quote:d3aad40996]If the situation was reversed we wouldn't be kicking up such a fuss. The French probably would, but we certainly wouldn't. We'd be all like: "It's part of the game, we deserved to win anyway, Robbie Keane isn't the referee, sure we deserved it after the seeding furore - it's justice." etc etc ad nauseam. I'm as gutted about it as the next person, but there's no point being crying about it, really.
  24. avatar aaronrossi
    As an Ireland fan - I am totally gutted...

    If what Henry says is correct and he told the referee that he handled the ball then there should and probably will be a replay. If he didn't then it will be something that will haunt him forever. It will also put a dampener on any progress for France in the world cup at all.

    Also - had france not have scored it would have gone to penalties I reckon anyway - in which case I think Ireland would have lost. So in a way, that goal saved further heartache of going out on a penalty shootout! (Doesn't matter how good Given is!)

    If those games weren't seeded to allow FIFA to save a bit of face in putting two big teams against eachother then Ireland could have got a nice fixture and a better chance... but there are a whole lot of shoulda/woulda/coulda's going on...

    Ireland not going through has lost the FAI probably 100m in lost revenues... future lost revenues and more importantly - all those kids that would have been watching their country and then out playing football emultating instead of sititng on their hoops at home playing their Xbox or what have you!

    Ooohhhhhh!!! and I don't think Henry is a c*nt! I just think he made a bad judgement call!!
  25. avatar T Entertainment
    "I heard people were kicking the wing mirrors of Renault Clios on their way home from watching the match last night, which, if a bit twattish and unfair on the poor owners, is pretty funny."

    Hilarious. That'll show 'im!

    Believe me, it doesn't take a disputed World Cup goal for student c*nts to do that on a nightly basis in South Belfast.
  26. avatar T Entertainment
    You can stop signing those petitions now:

    FIFA have ruled that the World Cup play-off between the Republic of Ireland and
    France cannot be replayed.

    201009 NOV 09
  27. avatar the dirty weed
    [quote:fb9afbbcde="T Entertainment"]You can stop signing those petitions now:

    FIFA have ruled that the World Cup play-off between the Republic of Ireland and
    France cannot be replayed.

    201009 NOV 09[/quote:fb9afbbcde]

    so you're saying a facebook petition wouldn't have got this game replayed. who woulda thunk it?

    anyway, football aint perfect - that's why it's great.
  28. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:0c0363c95b="the dirty weed"][quote:0c0363c95b="T Entertainment"]You can stop signing those petitions now:

    FIFA have ruled that the World Cup play-off between the Republic of Ireland and
    France cannot be replayed.

    201009 NOV 09[/quote:0c0363c95b]

    so you're saying a facebook petition wouldn't have got this game replayed. who woulda thunk it?

    anyway, football aint perfect - that's why it's great.[/quote:0c0363c95b]Here here. Harumph, harumph, rhubarb rhubarb...
  29. avatar don sebestian
    T entertainment - You. are. an. absolute. gimp!
  30. avatar whosbainejakey
    Someone asked me to "sign the petition against racism" t'other day. :rolleyes:

    Petitions < mass insurrection. Get serious, people!
  31. avatar thefonz
    Gutted Henry should be punished by banning him from playing in the finals, i'm a true footbal fan and this sort of thing has to end so much was a stake on wed night and i dont blame the media for the French and Henry backlash, the only loser is football itself by France going to the Finals unfairly.
  32. avatar whipchorus
    I'm glad that the Republic's up and at them anti-football will be nowhere near Pretoria next year. Although it doesn't say much for France's chances next year, especially against inferior opposition with nothing to lose. Group stages will be interesting.

    I loved the Sky post match interviewer quip to Kevin Doyle - ''The World Cup won't be the same without you''. What, just like every World Cup before 1990 then? But I'm sure the craic will be 90 all the same.
  33. avatar churchwarden
    I take it Northern ireland went out some time ago?

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  34. avatar don sebestian
    Whip chorus It was hardly anti football - they destroyed france in periods of the game. - although, of course, had it been Norn Iron? im sure you would think NI's brand of attacking gung ho with grace and flare complete with technical magic on the ball would have fitted perfectly along with their rightful Brazilian and Argentine peers!
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  35. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    A lot to be said for the fact that they lost ONE game in the whole qualifying campaign if you don't count the hand ball debacle. The world champions couldn't beat them twice.

    Italy have made a career out of that type of football - they won the World Cup with it in 2006 for crying out loud!
  36. avatar pauldoherty
    [quote:cc09ae90c5="whipchorus"]I'm glad that the Republic's up and at them anti-football will be nowhere near Pretoria next year.[/quote:cc09ae90c5]

    Anti-football? Are you a fan of ' try not and hurt or touch the other team football' or dont kick the ball too hard at the other goalkeeper football'?

    Let us know who you support? please?
  37. avatar bottleofsmoke
    [quote:f9bc5b0dc8="whipchorus"]I'm glad that the Republic's up and at them anti-football will be nowhere near Pretoria next year.[/quote:f9bc5b0dc8]

    A man that really knows what he's talking about. Nob.
  38. avatar whipchorus
    Loved all those adamant requests for a replay when the Republic got that clear cut penalty against Georgia back in February...

    Brian Cowan, away home, your face is melting.
  39. avatar pennydistribution
    Anyone else got Thierry Ennui?

    (can't take credit for it but I love it all the same!)
  40. avatar ryanego
    If this were any of the sports that I really care about and a competitor was caught cheating to that extent, the result would be overturned and/or they would get a ban. Like with doping bans in cycling and athletics or sin binning and citing in rugby.

    The fact that Henry not only avoids punishment, but secures the best possible prize for his team, is just fucking ridiculous. It makes a mockery of the sport.

    I know the video ref issue is slightly different in football, but with a little bit of thought it could be made to work. It couldn't possibly be any worse than the current situation.

    Still, you've gotta hand it to Gallas...
  41. avatar Strong Reaction
    I'm pretty sure there was greater injustices happening in the world last time I checked...

    On a serious note if Henry disgraces his nation will he lose his X million pound endorsements etc?
  42. avatar Deadlights
    Nah, Henry's regarded as being one of the most honest players in the game.

    And fair play to him I say for admitting it and talking about it. Theres plenty of other players that would have been refused to be interviewed.
  43. avatar Danny Lynch
    Much as i dont particularly like roy keane, i think the man has a point in the press conference over on the bbc website. you could go to an irish league match and you could see defenders and goal keepers not letting the ball bounce in their own box, its a golden rule for any defender in most games.. dont let the friggin thing hit the deck has been screamed at me more times that i care to remember.
    and with his attitude id love to see him in a coaching role for ROI either under Trap.. or after Trap retires... he has the balls ad the right attitude imo to push the irish onto that next step as he calls it.
    As for a replay, theres no chance.. we can all just hope that france can be counted as another team that might knock england out..and the sooner the better. Video technology should be brought in without a doubt, but only for incidents like this.. not to decide on every penalty/dive/freekick/hissy fit.
  44. avatar pauldoherty
    [quote:7a8641edb3="Deadlights"]Nah, Henry's regarded as being one of the most honest players in the game.

    And fair play to him I say for admitting it and talking about it. Theres plenty of other players that would have been refused to be interviewed.[/quote:7a8641edb3]

    Aye but did ya notice he perked up a bit when FIFA threw the replay out? He didnt mention the fair choice would be a replay before that did he?

    I think its all over with now like, best to forget it, I agree that Roy Keane is a joke also....mon Brazil...or somethin :-)
  45. avatar Deadlights
    At the end of the day Henry is French, not Irish (duh). And he has to live in France.

    If he'd said something that possibly would have resulted in france losing the match he'd have been killed!! At least the Irish cant kill him
  46. avatar shep
    Those Roy Keane comments:

    [i:73a068cfd8]Keane pointed out that controversial decisions also went Ireland's way in the qualifying campaign, not least a harsh penalty award against Georgia which helped them claim a 2-1 qualifying win in February. "Ireland had their chances in the two games [against France], and they never took them," he said. "But it's the usual FAI reaction - 'We've been robbed, the honesty of the game.' There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game. I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay."

    Talking about France's winner, Keane laid the blame on Ireland's defence rather than Henry, who handled the ball before crossing for William Gallas to head in. "I'd focus on why they didn't clear it," he said. "I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry. How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you? If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?".[/i:73a068cfd8]
  47. avatar Deadlights
    +1 for Roy Keane

    Nail/Head, etc.
  48. avatar comprachio
    Georgia thing was an injustice but was also very different.

    1) Keane admitted he had no idea what the penalty had been given for and as a result couldn't contest the decision (a decision the linesman also upheld) - for all he knew it may have been for a handball by the defender that he didn't see. Henry knew he had played the ball off his hands for an unfair advantage.

    2) had it not been given and the Republic lost or drew that game it still wouldn't have affected the standings in the groups - next closest team to the Republic was Bulgaria who were four points behind.

    I see Fergie at his press conference saying Video reffing will slow down the game to American football pace ffs. American football doesn't take so long because of video reviews of play - in fact I would say that most games will only have 2-3 video reviews. The reason each review takes approx 3 mins as well is because in the NFL some of the cases are so close and the rules so precise.

    A fourth official with a video replay (rather than just standing redundantly at the side holding up mins added on) could've made a decision and radio'd the ref in under a minute. Same for offside decisions.

    If there is a fear of every decision being contested then they can make rules for the usage of video replays. Eg. Each team can only ask for video replay a finite number of times in the game, or that video replays can only be used in cases of penalties/goals that were offside. It is workable and would not significantly slow the game down imo
  49. avatar Deadlights
    Personally I like the heated was it or wasnt it a goal/handball/offside/dive arguements, and I know other people that do as well.

    I enjoy them no matter which way Im arguing whether it be for or against. Its all part of being a fan imo.

    Thats why I'm against video ref.
  50. avatar hybrid_of_steel
    Michel Platini UEFA President (French). Coincidence!!??

    Fair enough. the first handball wasnt that blatant. but it was the second handball that was more blatant than a kick in the balls (excuse pun). Ok, you wouldve done the same. big whoopdy fuckin' doo (would you put your hand in the same fire as Henry?). Instinct or not.
    but guess what, this is NOT about what you "would've" done. Its about what you "should've" done. And the rules of the game is that you SHOULD'NT handle the ball. plus, if it was instinctive, wouldnt he have brought his hand away from the ball the moment it touched his hand the first time? to avoid any misunderstanding? that way he could argue the ball played against his hand not the latter. but he touched it TWICE. theres a reason why you break the rules TWICE in a row. the second time he actually pushed it. he couldnt rely upon his technical abilities to control the ball, so he cheated by using his hand. its cheating. its an unfair advantage (cheating).

    the linesman had a clear enough view. but that's not what we should be asking.

    we should be asking, "Why didnt the linesman call the foul?" the answer? because it was too big of a call. too much pressure put on his hands. referee didnt see it. linesman was possibly hoping the referee would make the call. think of it. You call the foul and jeopardise france going through. France lose and the french point at you. Youve just caused one of the biggest upsets in football. You're going to be looking over your shoulders for a long time lol. but equally enough. hes just contributed to one of the most disgusting and disgraceful injustices against football. not just the irish nation, but the footballing community. but hes never gonna be refereeing in Ireland much. FIFA will see to it that hes fine and wont lay foot in Ireland. The french on the other hand, are (more or less) praising the decisions of the linesman not to disallow the goal. the linesman saw it. so really its just a matter why he didnt call it.

    a replay should be enforced. ok lets have replay for all the other misleadings in football. actually, lets not! because the magnitude of this game is massive and every mutherfucker from Guam To Timbucktoo saw that farce. And "Rotherham United v Maccelsfield Town" is but a speck of dust in comparison. also, a replay for 1966 world cup final England v Germany just isnt feasible lol. Half (if not most) the england and germany team would be zombies hanging from puppet strings....actually...a replay for that match would be entertaining. ive got a shovel and spade? whos with me!? lol
  51. avatar ryanego
    [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm[/url]

    That's absolutely great when the phone goes off at 2:30 odd.
  52. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    [quote:5cc654eca9="Deadlights"]Personally I like the heated was it or wasnt it a goal/handball/offside/dive arguements, and I know other people that do as well.

    I enjoy them no matter which way Im arguing whether it be for or against. Its all part of being a fan imo.

    Thats why I'm against video ref.[/quote:5cc654eca9]

    I really don't understand people who say this, I really do. Surely a Manchester United fan? ;)
  53. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:9256acbb89="T Entertainment"]"I heard people were kicking the wing mirrors of Renault Clios on their way home from watching the match last night, which, if a bit twattish and unfair on the poor owners, is pretty funny."

    Hilarious. That'll show 'im!

    Believe me, it doesn't take a disputed World Cup goal for student c*nts to do that on a nightly basis in South Belfast.[/quote:9256acbb89]
    As a student c*nt in South Belfast I resent that.

    Even if it is true.
  54. avatar ilovelamp
    I SAY I SAY i resemble that remark

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