1. avatar Captain Kennedy
    ...not my choice of underwear but my actual G String.

    Tune it up no problem, but see when I play a D chord....sounds completely out of tune.

    Anyone any solutions or am I just imagining this?
  2. avatar danbastard
    Could the fret maybe be a little worn?
  3. avatar salfhal
    Check the whole neck, may be that you have a loose fret wire even somewhere up past 12th, so when you fret a chord the depression of the string might cause it to actually fret elsewhere.

    Relatively easy to fix if that's the case
  4. avatar tinpot anto
    You've got Ear AIDS.
  5. avatar Fighting For Salem
    This always happens to me! Regardless of the guitar.. I thought I was going crazy as well!
  6. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    so when you fret the G on the second, is the resulting A sharp or flat and by how much? (if you can measure it)

    what happens often is, the F# makes the chord sound not quite right and there's a good reason for it - in equal temperament tuning, there are many notes that are purposely out of tune. This is so that if every instrument is tuned exactly the same way, no one sounds out of tune with each other. The F#, in this situation is actually 13 cents sharp of where an F# should be in a D chord. If you tune the E string 13 cents flat and strum a D, it sounds really nice. (of course, play a G and it all goes to pot.)

    I didn't know this until a few years ago, and it drove me nuts, thinking that things were out of whack, but Equal Temperament is just a convention.

    As another little trick: try tuning the G sting 13 cents flat and play only barre chords - sounds great.
  7. avatar MarkAxisOf
    ah! tis good to be a drummer
  8. avatar Malco
    Indeed. I often envy my drummer when I see him lugging about his vast array of gear and being the but of "*sigh* Fucking drummers, eh?" jokes.
  9. avatar theavenue
    I have had a similar problem with a few guitars over the years. When playing a chord progression that includes, for example, G/C/D the guitar will sound fine. However, when I try to play a different chord progression, E/A/B (same progression, different key), I always have to retune the G string. It can be quite annoying. Perhaps this isn't what you're dealing with, but it's similar. This has happened on a Squier guitar AND a Gibson guitar. Strange.
  10. avatar BinaryOperator
    Guitars are not actually tuned perfectly - anyhoo as another poster has stated.

    I have a guitar that has a bollocks of a B string, that's where i usually find this issue.

    The D chord is an interesting one I have a guitar that has the same issue, though that is because the 2nd fret is v slightly high and I tend to push harder with my index (it is the strongest finger on me left hand), and with a D my finger is right behind the fret which when running through a song can cause the note to go slightly sharp. If I relax a bit on the finger pressure it is a lot better. Tends to be worse if I'm playing agressively, lol. I really should get that fret thing sorted. Meh.
  11. avatar Kings Of Oblivion
    My first post!
    The intonation is likely not set up right. Do a google search to find intonation set up instructions.
  12. avatar Twanky
    sounds like an intonation issue mate or as danbastard suggested, that particular fret might be worn down...this is known as fretwear...incidentally thats the name of an epic blues two piece in belfast!!

    if its still pissing you off, take your gee to a shop and get it set up!!

    btw...im selling a semi-acoustic tanglewood twelve string for 200 guys...any interest?

    chhers

    Twank
  13. avatar Recycled Alien
    The inability of some people to READ is really depressing me. Mr Bodnarchuk might as well not have bothered.
  14. avatar EPK
    It also depends on your nut, gauge of strings used, and strength of finger grip.
    Heavier strings and a heavy grip will make the G sharp at the first couple of frets.
    I use light strings, I've a light grip and it's never been an issue, even with umpteen guitars.
  15. avatar Captain Kennedy
    Cheers for the replies folks. Appreciate it. glad to see Im not just imagining the problem.

    Done a google search as well. Apart from whats been mentioned above, people have been talking about nut lube and using wound strings. So I'll give this stuff a go. Cheers.
  16. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    [quote:07f83f43b7="Recycled Alien"]The inability of some people to READ is really depressing me. Mr Bodnarchuk might as well not have bothered.[/quote:07f83f43b7]

    Haha, that's awesome!:021:

    The most common thing i've found with doing repairs, is that there's usually a reluctance to have the item in question seen to for fear that the cost will be horrendous.
    The bottom line is that the thing must be seen by someone who can diagnose the problem and all else is speculative, my own words included.
    The internet can only do so much for you.
    Often as not, a major stumbling block in the conclusion of such annoyances with gear is the inability of the customer to accurately describe the symptoms as it is the eager tech to 'tell' them what the problem might be.

    And of course, my favourite of all conditions is simply: "shit guitar" - no one [b:07f83f43b7]EVER[/b:07f83f43b7] wants to hear that one! :058:
  17. avatar Hors D'oeuvres
    try removing all of your frets
  18. avatar thecomeons_2
    i sometimes find this. i'm not entirely convinced it's intonation, as i spend a long time checking it. i get around it by tuning the g-string by playing a fretted a against open-a.
  19. avatar EPK
    It isn't remotely anything to do with intonation.
    To be out at the second fret "by intonation" means you haven't got a guitar, you've probably got a koto. A fretless one at that.
    A guitar's intonation screw on the saddle would need to be a foot long to fix that one.
  20. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    i've found with a couple of les pauls that the distance from the nut to the first fret makes a big difference.

    Nut slot depth is crucial also, for comfortable action - the higher the string, the more you have to stretch it to fret it - of course the more you stretch it, the sharper it gets.

    1/64" or .015" or... .39mm (?) is a lovely string height at the first fret.
  21. avatar EPK
    That's more of less what I said in my first post, Lief.
    "It also depends on your nut, gauge of strings used, and strength of finger grip"
    And the heavier the strings, the higher the tension, and the greater the change in pitch.
    I was going to get into zero frets, but couldn't be arsed in the end.
    The nut is where it's all happening. Not the intonation.
  22. avatar Leif Bodnarchuk
    [quote:cadfde436e="EPK"]
    And the heavier the strings, the higher the tension, and the greater the change in pitch.
    [/quote:cadfde436e]

    i recently had a problem with a client's guitar that's similar to this; fingering the strings sent notes sharp.
    The problem was more noticeable on the thinner strings than on the bass strings.
    Changing to a thinner gauge made all of it horrible.

    In the end, we stuck with heavier strings and made up some offsets in the open tuning to make it all agreeable.

    To test this, try bending a note under normal tension... slacken the string, bend the same distance and hear how much more the pitch has increased.
    Less tension = more change
    more whiskey = less care :015:
  23. avatar BinaryOperator
    [quote:c538bf32d0="Recycled Alien"]The inability of some people to READ is really depressing me. Mr Bodnarchuk might as well not have bothered.[/quote:c538bf32d0]

    ???????????????????????????????????????????

    Did you READ the other posts? I mean, YOU can READ can't you, lol.

    Leifs initial post may be the cause, but it may not be......

    Most of the similar tuning issues I've seen are related to the B string though, I think Steve Vai plays with a slightly out/flat B string IIRC. All to do with the tuning and all that Jazz.

    Pianos/keys have tuning issues too. Ever play one tuned in perfect 5ths? fucked up.

    Tuning up brass instruments is even worse. People compensate with their lips and don't even realise they're doing it. I've seen a trombone player maintain pitch while moving the slider up and down, and that is *impressive*.

    Interesting ref about the zero fret though, vigier are always going on about tuning stability in their marketing gumpf, as they use a zero fret, but not JUST a zero fret "hardened zero fret technology". So there! I always fancied trying one of their guitars out, never seen one in the flesh though...