1. avatar loveisthelaw
    Been suffering the symptoms of a diabetic and the doctors arranged for me to under go what they called a glucose tolerance test, which I'll be doing in a couple of weeks, so have refrained from the rum which could play a big part if I have it. If I test positive, I will never drink again but, the question is, do we have any diabetics on fastfude and is it possible to enjoy a casual joint without being hindered? What do the toking diabetics on fastfude munch that is non damaging
  2. avatar salfhal
    I remember reading a study a while back that seemed to support cannabis as beneficial for diabetics, however I think the biggest danger would be trying to control the munchies as you mention, if you're stone cold baked you might not have your [i:133610801b]"I'm a diabetic and need to think seriously about what I eat"[/i:133610801b] head on.
  3. avatar loveisthelaw
    Cheers for that, much appreciated. I guess I could munch savory snacks as opposed to pastry and sweet stuff, cheese, certain breads ect. My best mate is a diabetic but is out of the country. I bake a banana loaf and the recipe for diabetics is to use apple puree instead of honey
  4. avatar dolphin bombers
    [quote:e9d2227f0d="loveisthelaw"]Been suffering the symptoms of a diabetic and the doctors arranged for me to under go what they called a glucose tolerance test, which I'll be doing in a couple of weeks, so have refrained from the rum which could play a big part if I have it. If I test positive, I will never drink again but, the question is, do we have any diabetics on fastfude and is it possible to enjoy a casual joint without being hindered? What do the toking diabetics on fastfude munch that is non damaging[/quote:e9d2227f0d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII
  5. avatar salfhal
    Well... That song is about Chemotherapy...
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  6. avatar loveisthelaw
    Cheers all.
  7. avatar Sadoldgit
    "I remember reading a study a while back that seemed to support cannabis as beneficial for diabetics, however I think the biggest danger would be trying to control the munchies as you mention, if you're stone cold baked you might not have your "I'm a diabetic and need to think seriously about what I eat" head on"

    I`ve rarely read such utter bollox , even on fastfude.

    Cannibis has no benefical effects on diabetes, regardless of what other miracle uses for the drug you may read on the web.
    If you want to have an occasional joint, its your party, but dont think for one minute it will have some mystical benefit on your medical condition - it wont.

    Cannibinoids have medical uses in the treatment of painfull spasm associated with MS and other neurological conditions, but bear in mind, the concentration of active cannibinoid in the weed that circulated these days is far far higher than the stuff that was around upto the early 90`s.
    Its one suggested reason why anecdotally there appear to be more acute psychotic reactions to cannibis these days than were seen in past times.
  8. avatar salfhal
    [quote:cb10c0fdfb="Sadoldgit"]"I remember reading a study a while back that seemed to support cannabis as beneficial for diabetics, however I think the biggest danger would be trying to control the munchies as you mention, if you're stone cold baked you might not have your "I'm a diabetic and need to think seriously about what I eat" head on"

    I`ve rarely read such utter bollox , even on fastfude.

    Cannibis has no benefical effects on diabetes, regardless of what other miracle uses for the drug you may read on the web.
    If you want to have an occasional joint, its your party, but dont think for one minute it will have some mystical benefit on your medical condition - it wont.

    Cannibinoids have medical uses in the treatment of painfull spasm associated with MS and other neurological conditions, but bear in mind, the concentration of active cannibinoid in the weed that circulated these days is far far higher than the stuff that was around upto the early 90`s.
    Its one suggested reason why anecdotally there appear to be more acute psychotic reactions to cannibis these days than were seen in past times.[/quote:cb10c0fdfb]

    Rule three... "Don't be a dick..."

    Get your facts right, and try not to be so much of a douche...

    The study I had read was undertaken by Tracy Blevins, and it stimulated some other very important studies on cannabinoids. They found that cannabis consumption after meals significantly reduced the speed of blood sugar spikes (on a diabetic patient). The test was repeated with non diabetics and found to have the same result, suggesting that "the munchies" is due to cannabinoids lowering blood glucose levels. In a diabetics case, this easing affect is beneficial.

    GlaxoSmithKline are also researching how to utilise cannabanoids in conjunction with their diabetes drug Avandia.

    Hadassah University Hospital of Jerusalem undertook a study that found plant cannabinoid cannabidiol reduced the incidence of Type 1 diabetes in mice from 86% to 30%, with the remainder of the group not contracting insulitis at the normal rate, showing that the cannabanoid both reduced the likelyhood of getting diabetes, and for those with insulitis, slowed the rate of pancreatic damage.

    There was also a paper published by the AAMC, also one by GW Pharma...

    There are also a few exerpts from research articles here; http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/diabetes.htm

    Cannabis as you state are indeed useful for neurological conditions as they are "neuroprotective" i.e. reduce inflammation of nerves.
    They (cannabinoids) are also useful for diabetics as they moderate blood sugar spikes.

    [img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:lY5zvOZ2V1tWHM:http://open.salon.com/blog/tom_cordle/2008/12/19/files/humble_pie1229730904.jpg[/img]
  9. avatar Sadoldgit
    An in vitro demonstration is a long long way from an in vivo treatment.

    As to being a dick.....there is no greater way to be a dick that giving someone advice based on a low power study published in an obscure journal.
    I suggest the OP gets his advice from his GP and local diabetologist, not from a self proclaimed expert on fastfude.

    Smoking a spliff isnt the same as getting a defined dose of cannibinoid with no fellow chemical travellers.
    If you want to smoke weed, knock yourself out..just please do not suggest it possesses medical properties that are unproven.
    It may be potentially hazzardous to the person taking your [bad] advice.
  10. avatar tinpot anto
    There is an established link between smoking cannabis and diabetes: that is the intake of dioxins present in poor quality resins and also generated as the joint is burnt. The evidence is substantial, growing and published in proper high impact journals that exposure to dioxins can accelerate the development of many medical conditions including type 2 diabetes
  11. avatar loveisthelaw
    I find weed to be benefical for my Aspergers, Albert Einstein had aspergers and he took cocaine, see where I am going wrong?
  12. avatar salfhal
    [quote:e8d2aa6f69="Sadoldgit"]
    It may be potentially hazzardous to the person taking your [bad] advice.[/quote:e8d2aa6f69]

    The only advice I gave him was that it might not be a good idea to get baked...

    ("you might not have your "I'm a diabetic and need to think seriously about what I eat" head on.")

    Nor did I say that these things were fact, i'm not a doctor, I just told him I had read it.
  13. avatar Sadoldgit
    Loveisthelaw


    If you have impaired glucose tolerance , please looks after yourself.
    I`m guessing here...but, would I be correct in saying you arent in the first flush of youth?

    If so...what you got away with as a younger man [smoking weed and drinking like a mad fella] might not be the wisest course of action.

    There comes a time when you really do need to look after yourself.
    Recreational drugs arent good for you - it doesnt matter how people try to justify them, thy simply arent - period.
    If you are now developing Type 2 diabetes, then you need to take a longer view than "blow helps my aspergers"

    I didnt intend to "out" myself, but I am a doctor and have been for 20 years.
    I`ve seen a lot of people fucked up by various drugs , legal and illegal , in that time.

    Get your information from someone without a vested interest in anything but your health and well being - your family doctor.
  14. avatar loveisthelaw
    Cheers, sad old git, good to hear from an actual GP. I am 28.Have you ever heard of ahyusca? (spelling)
  15. avatar Sadoldgit
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca

    I wouldnt suggest taking a trip on any spirit journey`s any time soon.
    Whilst it is true to say that many drugs used today are plant derivatives and some of the most toxic substances known are "natural", by the time the raw subtance has made its way into the bigpharma tablets, millions of dollars and many years have been spent establishing safety protocols.
    Popping a bit of herbal weed in the hope of some medical benefit is snake oil.

    28 is young to have IGT.
    Look after yourself.

    I`m not a prude - but I have seen lives destroyed by weed.

    Be careful folks.
  16. avatar loveisthelaw
    Yeah, thats the one, Ive heard nothing but praise about it even know a guy that brews it.

    Ive cut out all things sweet untill I know if Ive got it or not.

    Thing is, the only thing in life that we are all guaranteed is death, so, sometimes I think "what's the point?". Anti-depressants dont take away depression
  17. avatar delfuego
    Im with the git on this one. I have oodles of years experience as well and although there may be a few studies saying it is a magic cure, there are hundreds more saying the evidence is anecdotal.

    The Blevins study was one patient and to be honest is mostly discounted in medical circles. The only people keeping it going are Urban Myth dope heads. A wee toke will get rid of the munchies and control my diabetes. Nonsense!!

    There is actually a very minor increase in blood sugar levels after a smoke. Nothing that is going to matter a sh*t. That may be good if you are heading for a hypo, but if you are munching away on sweeties and the like you don't need to worry about a hypo.

    More seriously, being stoned can actually mask the symptoms of a Hypo. Thats were you are going to have problems. Heading up to casualty with DKA and fighting for your life just because you thought you were high and didn't recognise the signs before you pass out in your own puke.

    In all honesty, a wee smoke now and again is not going to do you any harm (from a diabeticological point of view). Speed and ectasy are major dangers here. Although, it greatly increases your risk of oral cancer, lung cancer and neurological problems through prolonged use.
  18. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:027ebd1948="Sadoldgit"]the concentration of active cannibinoid in the weed that circulated these days is far far higher than the stuff that was around upto the early 90`s.[/quote:027ebd1948]

    Interesting that you disparage one set of quoted figures without checking your own, and end up spouting the usual line.

    [url=http://www.badscience.net/2007/03/reefer-badness/]Ben Goldacre's take on cannabis strength[/url]
  19. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:7c457f3171="Sadoldgit"]but bear in mind, the concentration of active cannibinoid in the weed that circulated these days is far far higher than the stuff that was around upto the early 90`s.
    Its one suggested reason why anecdotally there appear to be more acute psychotic reactions to cannibis these days than were seen in past times.[/quote:7c457f3171]

    I disagree! And altho I haven't smoked weed in.... in... 15+yrs? All this "it's 5 billion times stronger these days!" is complete balls. I was getting brilliant stuff in 1990. There has always been good and bad smoke and the only difference now is you have a [i:7c457f3171]slightly[/i:7c457f3171] better chance of getting good, properly flushed untainted weed in NI.

    It's not that I don't agree with your 'drugs are bad etc' [re: cancer / diabetes / underlying mental problems] - [b:7c457f3171]they are[/b:7c457f3171]! Everyone knows that. But don't be fucking scaremongering with the whole psychosis speech based purely on cannabis use. If you're going to do that then you also must add social and environmental factors for 'kids these days'

    I know you didn't want to out yourself, but can I ask are you a regular GP or do you specialize in mental health? I can easily use the same statistic of how many people's lives I know that have been ruined by family doctors.
  20. avatar ChristBaitRising
    I have been a diabetic now for 10 years .... I drink a lot ... I used to smoke a lot ... I still drink a lot but have cut back on the smoking. Regardless of whether cannabis has been proven to be good or bad .... smoking has very definitely been proven without a doubt to be bad. A lot of diabetics (me included) suffer from high blood pressure and the recommended cholesterol index for diabetics is recommended to be lower than a non-sufferer. Smoking will have a negative effect on both of these.

    Saying that being a diabetic is not the be all and end all. Just be relatively sensible and never ever go on a bender on an empty stomach.

    Again I am not a diabetic expert and I don't have any figures backing up the above, just someone who has been dealing with this shit for a decade.

    Also in addition having had a number of hypo's in the past .... I can tell you that they feel similar initially to have a 'great big whitey' .... pale face, disorientation and being very cold all over. As mentioned previously ..... it would be a definite bummer to get the two confused. Again just my opinion based on my own experiences.

    DONT drink cider either .... that stuff is like mainlining sugar ...
  21. avatar loveisthelaw
    Well I always knew cider would be out, its rank anyway, apart from pear kopperberg