1. avatar feline1
    Yes but it's a great day for wrongc0ck paedo antics today,
    as the report was finally released on how the Love of Jesus was brought to the dafty we'uns of Ireland for the best part of a century
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-schools-child-abuse-claims

    Apparently it could have been a lot worse, for if those involved hadn't been guided by the Lord and had his divine moral framework to guide them, they might have done even worse things. Archbishop 'Nice One' Nichols of Westminster remarked that "heaven only knows how bad this could've been if it had been atheists looking after these kids, in a moral vacuum!"

    Ulster's Health Minister spoke out today on the affair, saying she knew a good psychiatrist who could help those affected by abuse, and bring them closer to their saviours.
  2. avatar T Entertainment
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8058105.stm

    I heard you'd have liked it, Feline.
  3. avatar feline1
    Is it true that there's such a thing as a 'righteous wanger'?
  4. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:9945b517c4="Rev. Vincent Nichols"]"I think of those in religious orders and some of the clergy in Dublin who have to face these facts from their past which instinctively and quite naturally they'd rather not look at. That takes courage, and also we shouldn't forget that this account today will also overshadow all of the good that they also did."[/quote:9945b517c4]

    This really really fucked me off.
  5. avatar feline1
    Now now, PositiveYouth, you can't go quoting an Archbishop as if his views are somehow typical of true christians.
  6. avatar T Entertainment
    There was a guy on RTE who said that if you complained about an older boy ('monitor') abusing you in the night, two of the Brothers would come round and ask for a complete demonstration/reconstruction to see just how bad it was. Several, in fact. :?


    And then there was the 15 year old girl locked up in a laundry, whose Ma died on Christmas day, and they 'forgot' to tell her for four years?! Or indeed at all, only establishing this when she got out and called round, basically. But they continued censoring the letters she was writing to said dead Ma in that period nonetheless. I mean W.T.F.
  7. avatar feline1
    Of course, I'm sure the usual religionist apologists will be along soon to tell us that you can't go regarding priests and nuns as representative of Christians as a whole, and that it's only a tiny minority who where ramming their throbbing c0cks up tight boys' bumh0les etc etc,
    and that just because it was official church institutional practice to hide paedophiles, you can't go claiming that it was official church institutional practice to hide paedophiles, just because it was, etc etc.

    All the same though, I would be interested to know just how "tiny" a minority we were talking about -
    just as it's always interesting to muse what percentage of MLAs in Stormont have convictions per murder (and to compare that percentage rate with the general public) -
    just what percentage of Catholic priests are documented paedophiles?
    Or to look at it another way, what percentage of documented paedophiles are priests?
  8. avatar I'mDead
    Catholicism - f**ck yeah!!
  9. avatar clivemcl
    [quote:77d10c9a7b]"I have absolutely no faith in the Catholic Church. I am a Christian but I am not a Catholic. I left my Catholic religion at the industrial school gates," said Mr Hayes[/quote:77d10c9a7b]

    Looks like Mr Hayes who was sexually abused made a decision that these disgusting people were in fact not representative of the faith of christianity, but instead opportunists who had been twisted into evil people probably due to social conditions forced upon them by a problematic religious sytem most of whom had left faith behind a long time ago. Probably not helped by a system which seems to imply that you can do what you like, cos you go into a little box and say some magic sayings and it doesn't matter anymore. which, most importantly, is not doctrinal.

    Was Mr Hayes brainwashed too?

    I think these people are monsters, I can guarantee that 100% of people with a real faith would agree that they are monsters, they should be accordingly punished, along with all those seeking to defend them.
  10. avatar SweetDickWilly
    What's the main cause of paedophilia?

    Sexy kids
  11. avatar stevie j
    [quote:df9bc3c44e="SweetDickWilly"]What's the main cause of paedophilia?

    Sexy kids[/quote:df9bc3c44e]

    That's your excuse :shock:
  12. avatar T Entertainment
    Justine McCarthy in the Tribune today summed it up as well as I've read.

    'They lied. They stole. They terrorised. They assaulted children. They manacled them to their beds and flogged them. They starved them. They beat them with pokers and hurleys, scalded them and held their heads under running water. When the children tried to abscond, they locked them up in a small room or in the pig sty for days on end. They raped them. They gang-raped them. And throughout it all, they and the whole world thought they were holy men and women.

    Children were made to lie in bed at night with their arms piously crossed over their chests. When they slipped out of this position unconsciously in their sleep, they were woken up and beaten. Holy men came into the dormitories at night, sometimes two at a time, and put their private parts in the children's hands and in their mouths. If they wet their beds, they were made to wrap the soiled sheet around them in the morning and to parade in front of everyone. They watched powerlessly as their siblings were tortured. Sometimes they were forced to participate in the abuse. If they tried to tell anyone what was going on, they were beaten. Dignitaries came to visit. The children dared hope afresh they would get the chance to tell. But the holy men and women brought the politicians and the bishops, even the President of Ireland, to the parlour and kissed their rings and intoned God's name.'



    http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/may/24/concentration-camps-run-by-holy-men-and-women/
  13. avatar Chi-Lite
    Fuck sake. :cry:
  14. avatar my-angel-rocks
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  15. avatar thepostboxtheory
    [quote:75afda9279="T Entertainment"]Justine McCarthy in the Tribune today summed it up as well as I've read.

    'They lied. They stole. They terrorised. They assaulted children. They manacled them to their beds and flogged them. They starved them. They beat them with pokers and hurleys, scalded them and held their heads under running water. When the children tried to abscond, they locked them up in a small room or in the pig sty for days on end. They raped them. They gang-raped them. And throughout it all, they and the whole world thought they were holy men and women.

    Children were made to lie in bed at night with their arms piously crossed over their chests. When they slipped out of this position unconsciously in their sleep, they were woken up and beaten. Holy men came into the dormitories at night, sometimes two at a time, and put their private parts in the children's hands and in their mouths. If they wet their beds, they were made to wrap the soiled sheet around them in the morning and to parade in front of everyone. They watched powerlessly as their siblings were tortured. Sometimes they were forced to participate in the abuse. If they tried to tell anyone what was going on, they were beaten. Dignitaries came to visit. The children dared hope afresh they would get the chance to tell. But the holy men and women brought the politicians and the bishops, even the President of Ireland, to the parlour and kissed their rings and intoned God's name.'



    http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/may/24/concentration-camps-run-by-holy-men-and-women/[/quote:75afda9279]

    Wtf? Thats one of the most distrubing things i've ever read. What kinda sick fucks would do this? I think any of these 'holy people' involved should be locked up for life and even then that won't solve anything...
  16. avatar tinpot anto
    Justin McCarthy definitely included a bit more info than really required there, does he not feel that "systematic, prolonged and ubiquitous sexual, physical and mental abuse" is enough to get the message across.

    That's verging on the voyueristic. dirt bird
  17. avatar T Entertainment
    It's all in the report tho, which thankfully I was able to give up reading.
  18. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Ah but you see, giving all the details will hopefully not only catch the attention of people but also give them an idea of the full extent of the problem. Besides the fact that it helps to stir up outrage.
  19. avatar feline1
    [quote:1c47eb7beb="thepostboxtheory"]

    Wtf? Thats one of the most distrubing things i've ever read. What kinda sick fucks would do this? [/quote:1c47eb7beb]

    Christians
  20. avatar feline1
    [quote:3c0253b4e2="tinpot anto"]Justin McCarthy definitely included a bit more info than really required there, does he not feel that "systematic, prolonged and ubiquitous sexual, physical and mental abuse" is enough to get the message across.

    That's verging on the voyueristic. dirt bird[/quote:3c0253b4e2]


    What on EARTH are you talking about?
    You're seriously claiming that this sort of stuff should be swept under the carpet, just because you got an erection whilst reading it?!?
    I think you need to go and see Iris Robinson's friend, and pronto.
  21. avatar Chi-Lite
    Fuck sake feline, are you gonna be a wab-end all your life?

    No one's talking about brushing anything under the carpet. But to delight in all the sordid details, as you're clearly doing, is a bit much, that's all. :(

    I mean, look at the title of this thread, you fucking halfwit.
  22. avatar feline1
    Anto is the one that was suggesting that publishing details of the abuse constituted "voyeurism" (which dictionary.com would have as "the practice of obtaining sexual gratification by looking at sexual objects or acts, esp. secretively.")

    If wishes to claim on a public forum that he gains sexual gratification from reading about child abuse, that's up to him,
    but I dare say most of us do not find the details of the abuse arousing, but rather, find ourselves shocked, appalled and outraged.

    The title of the thread is of course a famous line from a dirsturbing, terrifying horror film full of Catholic imagery, and centred on a wee girl, THE EXORCIST.
  23. avatar tinpot anto
    I'm not going to cry a "SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" but seriously those details are seriously fucking disturbing and serve nothing but tabloid sensationalism and the hilarious sardonic observations of parochial internet heroes like yourself.

    I don't think it adds anything for them to be published - if the report is publicly available then if people really want to get a chubby/throw up their dinner then they can.

    I really don't think it remotely has a place on this message board.
  24. avatar T Entertainment
    If this issue is to be discussed on here, and it seems it is, then McCarthy's article is necessary reading as it distills the report itself down to a couple of stomach churning paragraphs. Has anyone here seen the report? I know I only had it because through work I was present at its publication.

    I didn't find it voyeuristic but it did strike me as having been written with a lot of (righteous) anger. She's a great campaigning journalist. She could have gone much, much further and chose not to.
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  25. avatar feline1
    [quote:041df19c4b="tinpot anto"] but seriously those details are seriously fucking disturbing... [/quote:041df19c4b]

    Correct.

    [quote:041df19c4b="tinpot anto"]... and serve nothing but tabloid sensationalism ... I don't think it adds anything for them to be published[/quote:041df19c4b]

    Incorrect.

    They serve to inform the public of the reality and depth of the scandal, rather than to WHITEWASH, dilute and sanitize it, and make it appear less shocking than it really is.
    The other shocking aspect, of course, is not the acts themselves, but the systematic efforts of the church to obfuscate investigation and to protect the paedophiles.
  26. avatar artofdarkness
    Aye, those details are disturbing but they are the reality of what those people had to go through, it [i:fa69e89bdb]happened[/i:fa69e89bdb], and it needs to be known, for exactly what it was.

    To me, the only disgrace in any disclosure of details is that it's not happening in a court.

    If it can't be in a court, then let it be in a newspaper. People will have different reactions to seeing the details - but let the words be heard.
  27. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well then perhaps better not to discuss it on a music internet forum which is, let's face it, full of comedic smart-arse pricks, eh?

    How fucking righteously indignant are we when the title of the thread is some [i:daf8785455]hilarious[/i:daf8785455] pun, and the second post is "I heard you'd have liked it."?

    Aye, the public has a right to know, eh?

    Wankers
  28. avatar feline1
    [quote:084d351509="Chi-Lite"]Well then perhaps better not to discuss it on a music internet forum which is, let's face it, full of comedic smart-arse pricks like myself, eh?

    How fucking righteously indignant are we when the title of the thread is some [i:084d351509]hilarious[/i:084d351509] pun, and the second post is "I heard you'd have liked it."?

    Aye, the public has a right to know, eh?

    Wankers[/quote:084d351509]

    I agree, satirical demolition of the church must be supressed, and the medium of popular music, which is quite evil enough as it is, must at all costs be prevented from mocking them. Only then can the Christian Brothers save face and retain their standing and awtharitay in the communitay.
    After all, probably numerous posters on this very thread spent their youth with these nice pious men and suffered no ill-effects at all,
    and those who were abused were probably just losers and trouble-makers who, let's face it, probably brought this on themselves. If we could all stop talking about it, it might just go away and we'd be able to move this process forward.
  29. avatar Chi-Lite
    Feline, you talk about it all you want. Making [i:9ca92c3253]hilarious[/i:9ca92c3253] jokes and sarcastic comments about it just makes you look a prick. Simple as that.

    Oh, aye, satire, i forgot...the ballbeg's excuse for insult :?
  30. avatar tinpot anto
    Hardly you knob end.

    Unfashionable a concept as "good taste" may be. This thread is not it.

    There's noone making an argument that excruciating details of abuse should be suppressed, rather that there may be a more appropriate setting in which to present them which doesn't put them in a context of AN HILARIOUS hystrionic ironical satire AHINNEEE.

    See?

    No, thought not.

    I personally think that there are many in the journalistic arena who, in the interests of promoting sales will present this in a sensationalist and sickening light. I feel that also deserves criticism. Not as much as the criticism that child abuse requires, but well that would be a redundant act wouldn't it?
  31. avatar feline1
    [quote:5468096db9="Chi-Lite"]Feline, you talk about it all you want. Making [i:5468096db9]hilarious[/i:5468096db9] jokes and sarcastic comments about it just makes you look a prick. Simple as that.

    Oh, aye, satire, i forgot...the ballbeg's excuse for insult :?[/quote:5468096db9]


    Indeed: God is not mocked.

    I shall ask Him for forgiveness.
  32. avatar feline1
    [quote:35065044d0="tinpot anto"]Hardly you knob end.

    Unfashionable a concept as "good taste" may be. This thread is not it.

    There's noone making an argument that excruciating details of abuse should be suppressed, rather that there may be a more appropriate setting in which to present them which doesn't put them in a context of AN HILARIOUS hystrionic ironical satire AHINNEEE.

    See?

    No, thought not.

    I personally think that there are many in the journalistic arena who, in the interests of promoting sales will present this in a sensationalist and sickening light. I feel that also deserves criticism. Not as much as the criticism that child abuse requires, but well that would be a redundant act wouldn't it?[/quote:35065044d0]


    You wrote to your MP demanding that [i:35065044d0]Father Ted[/i:35065044d0] be banned, didn't you?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcnQDYnGtS8
  33. avatar tinpot anto
    I mean does any one need any encouragement or incitement to be utterly appalled and sickened by the abuse these kids have suffered?

    Have you ever met anyone who responded to the revelation that widespread rape and abuse went on and was sanctioned by the church and they said "oh well it's all in the past now"

    Only for you to disclose that they used manacles and put their cocks in their mouths and then they're like "Oh no the people involved must be punished NOW!!!"?

    What sort of bizarre view of the general public do you cretins have?

    That's the crux of the argument that seems to being applied to justify this level of public disclosure. I think that the threat that the issue be sensationalised and the suffering of these people devalued into nothing more than front page currency for a load of glorified bog roll makers outweighs that view considerably.
  34. avatar feline1
    [quote:e00b8eebf5="tinpot anto"]I mean does any one need any encouragement or incitement to be utterly appalled and sickened by the abuse these kids have suffered?

    Have you ever met anyone who responded to the revelation that widespread rape and abuse went on and was sanctioned by the church and they said "oh well it's all in the past now"
    [/quote:e00b8eebf5]


    Are you actually a Bishop...?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqAHHhr7vmU
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  35. avatar Chi-Lite
    you're a funny guy :roll:
  36. avatar feline1
    [quote:c7f65a6f82="Chi-Lite"]you're a funny guy :roll:[/quote:c7f65a6f82]

    Are you a Bishop too? What's your diocese*?








    *[i:c7f65a6f82]it's tatooed on the back of the neck[/i:c7f65a6f82]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dehAiSJHZM
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  37. avatar tinpot anto
    Erm, take a deep breath and count to ten before you damage something there would ye?
  38. avatar Chi-Lite
    ah
  39. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:9a9ae2defb="tinpot anto"]I mean does any one need any encouragement or incitement to be utterly appalled and sickened by the abuse these kids have suffered?

    Have you ever met anyone who responded to the revelation that widespread rape and abuse went on and was sanctioned by the church and they said "oh well it's all in the past now"

    Only for you to disclose that they used manacles and put their cocks in their mouths and then they're like "Oh no the people involved must be punished NOW!!!"?

    What sort of bizarre view of the general public do you cretins have?

    That's the crux of the argument that seems to being applied to justify this level of public disclosure. I think that the threat that the issue be sensationalised and the suffering of these people devalued into nothing more than front page currency for a load of glorified bog roll makers outweighs that view considerably.[/quote:9a9ae2defb]

    A bizzarre view that corresponds to reality.

    The general public is a bunch of moronic sheep that really have not got a clue of what goes on. They need people to tell them stuff and they need people to tell them to be outraged by something. As the recent example of the whole expenses scandal proves.

    But then again, is it really sensationalisation for sales purposes? Obviously it partly is, but is that all? Is it not perhaps that the brutality of this sort of stuff and the sensationalisation of it happen to both be there at the same time?
  40. avatar thepostboxtheory
    [quote:2ccbe1db14="POSITIVExYOUTH"]

    The general public is a bunch of moronic sheep that really have not got a clue of what goes on. They need people to tell them stuff and they need people to tell them to be outraged by something. As the recent example of the whole expenses scandal proves.
    [/quote:2ccbe1db14]

    Thats kinda true, but how would people have known about the whole expenses scandal if it wasn't for the news. Obviously you need people to tell you stuff, how else would you find out about stuff like that?
  41. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Point taken, but the fact that sometimes the general public needs the news to tell them stuff is no excuse for being completely ignorant when it comes to things that have gone on for years. People could have known both very well if they actually made the effort to look into things and inform themselves.

    So yeah, bottom line is that the general public is mostly composed by ignorant fuckwits that have no idea of what goes on and need this sort of details and/or sensationalism to get them to wise the bap a wee bit due to complete apathy/lazyness which means they need to be spoonfed by the media if not they will go on being ignorant idiots.
  42. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:a6d80ba226="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Point taken, but the fact that sometimes the general public needs the news to tell them stuff is no excuse for being completely ignorant when it comes to things that have gone on for years. People could have known both very well if they actually made the effort to look into things and inform themselves.

    So yeah, bottom line is that the general public is mostly composed by ignorant fuckwits that have no idea of what goes on and need this sort of details and/or sensationalism to get them to wise the bap a wee bit due to complete apathy/lazyness which means they need to be spoonfed by the media if not they will go on being ignorant idiots.[/quote:a6d80ba226]

    Faith in humanity there. up the socialists!
  43. avatar feline1
    [quote:368d6b86d1="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Point taken, but the fact that sometimes the general public needs the news to tell them stuff is no excuse for being completely ignorant when it comes to things that have gone on for years. People could have known both very well if they actually made the effort to look into things and inform themselves.[/quote:368d6b86d1]


    My dear child,
    the story is one of a child abuse COVER UP by the Catholic Church.

    Therefore, the general public could not "easily" have "looked up" the fact that a cover up was going on, because there was, er, a COVER UP going on. People covering things up do not write about it on Facebook about how [i:368d6b86d1] "told the Bishop of Bath & Wells to 'keep stum about the bummings' and really had to bite my tongue when interviewed by Gloria Hunniford on Songs of Praise there - was dying to tell her how many people we'd deceived, but realised it would blow our cover a bit!"[/i:368d6b86d1]

    Then, moving on from that, a report of the findings of a 9 year investigation has just been published.
    Summaries of the 9 year report are being printed in the papers and mentioned on the news.

    You seem to be insisting that this is ridiculous, and that True Fans who were into this YEARS ago, before it got all commercial, would be down at the (what's the Irish equivelent of Her Majesty's Stationary Office?) buying their copies of the 194728 page report themselves, at 567 a copy each, and reading it all on the bus on the way to work,
    rather than being such puny wusses and reading summaries of it from the media.

    I would therefore contend you are a total loon.

    People can't be everywhere at all times reading all the details of everything. That, strangely enough, is why newspapers and TV and radio News broadcasts evolved.
  44. avatar tinpot anto
    Yeah you invalidate your own point there PYOUTH.

    Unless you are willing to assert that journalists are somehow a superior class of human being with more keenly developed sense of morality and propriety ([i:fb12fba5ea]*sound of a million cups of coffee being spat onto keys at same time* HA![/i:fb12fba5ea]) and who are better equipped to dealing with such a sensitive topic than the rest of us rabble.

    Well are you?

    People, ordinary people, not just our journalistic betters, are fully able to comprehend the enormity of this revelation - well formalisation of a well known truth - on their own terms. The call for prosecution to the fullest extent possible by law and beyond as well as full disclosure is pretty much deafening outside a few reactionary commentators and the church spokespersons. And all this without some describing forced fellatio on a child? Well yes, thank you.


    Edit:
    Clashed that last post there feline - SO, again my problem is not with disclosure or the newpapers doing their job. my point is that the passage above contained a level of detail that, in my own prim little opinion, went a bit too far - to reproduce it on a music message board where it is juxtaposed against quotes from Father Ted and Blackadder in order that a few "wits" can practice their petty little art is a bit fucking much for anyone to stomach.

    The journalists in question have a clear choice of which parts of this massive reports to push into the popular imagination and which to exclude. I'm sure with their superior moral inclinations this decision is always taken in the interests of the public good, and NEVER EVER WOULD A PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST EVER CHOSE TO PICK THE JUICIEST MOST SICKENING BITS JUST TO RAMP UP THE SALES OF THEIR PAPER?

    No

    NEVER EVER. :roll:
  45. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    First of all, journalists are not superhumans. Just people that beacuse of their job they do what most people could and should be capable of doing ie. investigating things.
    I am not saying they have some higher sense of morality, what I am saying is that the general public is mostly formed by ignorant idiots (point that I will never stress enough) with an extremely short current events memory/attention span. If you don't spoonfeed them with all the details and just put the raw truth in front of them, triggering their 'outrage mode' they will forget about stuff quite fast.
    And please don't deny this, because it would really be an insult to the ingelligence of all here.

    Secondly, to say that we only know of these abuses because of the reports is quite clearly taking the piss. Taking the piss because it would imply that there was no way that children that suffered such abuses could have spoke or indeed it would imply that they never did, which is just bullshit.
    And secondly, as Anto rightly said, the report is just the formalisation of a well known truth (at least by some, but not all).

    Also, if yis would actually read, I said that there is an element of sensationalisation of the event for paper sales purposes, just said I don't think it's all about that.
  46. avatar T Entertainment
    "NEVER EVER WOULD A PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST EVER CHOSE TO PICK THE JUICIEST MOST SICKENING BITS JUST TO RAMP UP THE SALES OF THEIR PAPER?"

    Well, obviously they often do. That clearly wasn't the situation in this case, however.
    Her report wasn't trailed on the front page. It wasn't previewed anywhere with 'read the shocking bits in my forthcoming piece'. It was in the middle page of a paper hardly known for its tabloid approach. It was written, as far as I can tell, to remind people that in this very report which will be read by 1% of the population, there are hundreds of such horrendous incidents of abuse recounted by victims. Her report provides merely a (revolting) flavour. It's written for adults and the tone is one of justifiable anger. I don't perceive a hint of sensationalism.
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  47. avatar feline1
    Look T.Ents, can't you see who the REAL bad guys are here?
    It's not the paedophile priests and the Church cover-up meisters. No, it's the evil JOURNALISTS, sensationalising the story with their prurient lurid articles, and the sad wretched PUBLIC, who just can't be trusted to understand the story properly, and who are basically to blame for allowing it to happen in the first place.
  48. avatar Chi-Lite
    Actually, i'm only complaining about you making shitty, dicky wanker jokes about it, you prick.

    and T Ents, that's all well and good. It doesn't explain why you've posted it on a music forum though...knowing that it's full of smart arse wankers who are bound to [i:96179bf4eb]satirise[/i:96179bf4eb] it, if you could call wanky sarcasm and stupid comedy references [i:96179bf4eb]satire[/i:96179bf4eb]
  49. avatar T Entertainment
    A music forum, you say? The general forum long ago stopped being music focused. That happens elsewhere.
    This is my most used message board for discussions on all sorts of matters. The same for you, I imagine. If the war in Gaza, MPs expenses, Bush visiting Ireland, dissident republican killings, Iris Robinson on gays, the existence or otherwise of God, a postal strike, abortion and literally hundreds of other topical (and not so topical) issues are discussed, then I don't see why this should be off limits.
    It's hardly surprising, given that little else was talked about in the Irish print and broadcast media for days following its publication.
  50. avatar remaderyan
    So what I dont get or maybe just dont know about is how come there werent reprisals when these children grew up?

    I would imagine that if that had happened to me as a kid i'd bear quite a substantial grudge and given the first opportunity be violent against the people who are shoving cocks at me.
  51. avatar Chi-Lite
    Chris, i know all that. i'm not saying you shouldn't have brought it up because this is a music forum, man. I've no problem with all sorts of madness being spouted here.

    I'm just thinking, on this occassion, was it really wise to reproduce a graphically disturbing article, knowing full well, given the flavour of this thread from the very beginning, that it would only be subject to stupid jokes and remarks.

    We can talk about Gaza or God all we want, but don't you think it's unsavoury, even on this forum, to be making jokes and puns about the mass abuse of children...then to reproduce a disturbing article preceded by, and followed by, more stupid jokes, puns, and [i:8373b5cb71]satire[/i:8373b5cb71].

    That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying things should be off limits in case they disturb our little minds, I'm just questioning the purpose of reproducing such an article in the context of a thread full of bad jokes and puns, including your own comment "I heard you'd have liked it".

    Do you really think that's an appropriate context in which to reproduce that article?

    I wouldn't even have minded so much had the rest of the thread been a halfway serious register of disgust. but, given that it was started by feline, and was titled with an [i:8373b5cb71]hilarious[/i:8373b5cb71] pun, this thread has obviously been in bad taste from the start. Which isn't unheard of...I expect nothing less from this forum.. i just don't think such a thread is the appropriate place for that article.

    That's all. But carry on if yous wish, fair enough.
  52. avatar feline1
    THINGS THAT MUST NOT BE MOCKED:

    The Church
    Priests
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    Semprini.
  53. avatar Chi-Lite
    Actually, all I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't mock child abuse

    you sad prick
  54. avatar Persistence
    THINGS WHICH MAY BE MOCKED EXTENSIVELY:

    feline1
  55. avatar clivemcl
    seconded
  56. avatar remaderyan
    I have to say that i'm in favour of this journo spelling it out as it is and not saving some of it.

    He's clearly intended to shock people, maybe he has something against the church.

    But for me, I had been of the opinon that these people were maybe hitting them a bit hard or touching them in inappropriate places (all of which are terrible in themselves) but i wasnt aware of just how vile these men were.

    Child abuse shouldnt be mocked, its certainly not a laughing matter but I can sorta see the point that it needs to be 100% out there in the public domain, any attempt to mask it even a wee bit is covering it up. Somethings need to be fully disclosed to the public. Some people have this believe that the church is infallable, if its just hitting a kid hard, then that might not change their stance but if they read this they might change their opinion.

    all bad craic
  57. avatar feline1
    [quote:641dffe8c7="Chi-Lite"]Actually, all I'm saying is that maybe you shouldn't mock child abuse

    you sad prick[/quote:641dffe8c7]


    Marty, you have, genetically, more in common with a giant crab. One cannot *proove* this, but it is nonetheless science FACT. Plus it is documented extensively in the Egregious forum.
  58. avatar Portadown News Editor
    Rape of Children worse than Rape of Gaza shock, official
  59. avatar tinpot anto
    Ah surely it was only a matter of time..... :roll:
  60. avatar CabboPearimo
    My first post!
    The rape children, they halt scientific advancement and sterilise free-thinking, they impose their will on anyone who dissagrees, by force, and they say WE are the bad guys.

    Well up yours, priest. For once.
  61. avatar CabboPearimo
    And isn't it better to take the whole thing lightly anyway? It's not like it could've been stopped (given the god-appointed rights of the people involved, so making jokes about it is the only thing left to do. laughter heals, and as long as it recognizes the true problem with the event, it shouldn't be taken offensively. So stop complaining and laugh.