1. avatar feline1
    LOLing here at Sinn Fein's "identical televisions" which were vital to fighting against the oppression of free British money.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5301510/MPs-expenses-Sinn-Fein-claimed-500000-for-second-homes.html

    Any juicy expenses for Iris Robinson come to light yet? Perhaps claiming for exorcisms or psychiatric help for her pets or...?
  2. avatar ryanego
    What exactly [i:27ee16e508]do[/i:27ee16e508] MPs pay for?
  3. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d67a94fba8="feline1"]Any juicy expenses for Iris Robinson come to light yet?[/quote:d67a94fba8]

    Apparently her and Peter both claim second home allowance on the same house. Or something like that. And their joint salaries plus expenses come to ~500k
  4. avatar 10rapid
    it's a disgrace and a farce. All those bastards on the take and using the excuse that they didn't break any rules, but the rules need to be changed. Yeah right. And the fact that no party's getting stuck in to score some points shows that they're all in up to their necks, as i presume tomorrow's telegraph will illustrate. The shinners paying some mate of theirs in london way over the odds in rent so they can refuse to sit in a foreign parliament is laughable. But then so is iris and peter doubling up their claims. Dodds will probably be trying something similar if his missus ever gets in. Or maybe a wee holiday home in brussels if she makes mep.
  5. avatar feline1
    [quote:5fd9fdd865="my-angel-rocks"][quote:5fd9fdd865="feline1"]Any juicy expenses for Iris Robinson come to light yet?[/quote:5fd9fdd865]

    Apparently her and Peter both claim second home allowance on the same house. Or something like that. And their joint salaries plus expenses come to ~500k[/quote:5fd9fdd865]


    :lol: :lol: familytastic!
  6. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Ach, nothing new or unexpected. Pretty much standard practice for most politicians across the globe.
  7. avatar T Entertainment
    My favourite:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5305166/Margaret-Moran-claims-were-necessary-MPs-expenses.html

    "Miss Moran said: “My partner works in Southampton. He has done for 20 years. If I’m ever going to see my partner of 30 years, I can’t make him come to Luton all the time, I have to be able to have a proper family life sometimes, which I can’t do unless I have, you know, I share the costs of the Southampton home with him.”

    Asked why taxpayers should pay for the house in Southampton when she did not use it for her work as an MP, she replied: “Well I, you, you could argue that I use it to be able to sustain my work.

    “Any MP has to have a proper family life, they have to have support of their partner. How can an MP, I mean I

    defy anybody to try and do a proper job, much less an incredibly pressured job, in which you work all hours, all over, in the constituency, in Westminster and incredible pressure all the time.

    “You need the support of your partner and I believe that that’s a right. Everybody is entitled to some support and some family life and that’s the circumstances and reality which I checked, as I said.”"


    HERE, DEAR - [size=24:e04ef4ef4c]NAH.[/size:e04ef4ef4c]
  8. avatar tinpot anto
    I love the naivity of the British media in thinking that Sinn Fein voters would be disgusted that their representives would be claiming more than they are entitled to from the government.

    lol
  9. avatar Chi-Lite
    I know, I was just thinking that myself.

    Especially since they claim to hold all party money in common.
    So really, all they've done is shafted the british system into giving more money to an irish republican political party.

    Fair fucks to them.

    the boul British democracy. [i:1945ce9b06]Best in the world.[/i:1945ce9b06]
  10. avatar Deestroyer
    British System = British People. Fair fucks to Sinn Fein members for stealing (I call politicians fiddling their expenses stealing) from the British taxpayers?
    I'm no fan of the oul Brits, but I can't really justify that.
    With all this expenses fiddling going on, the absolute state of the economy in the wake of some of the most candidly corrupt and underhanded foreign policy in a generation, along with paper thin mandates with voting figures at record lows, a scandalised family as the head of state, a crushingly uninspiring political leader, and a record breaking divide between rich and poor, today's politicians are boldly stomping across some seriously fucking thin ice. That explanation from Moran is a fucking disgrace. I'm so fed up with Politicians crying martyrdom cause their jobs are quite involved. Tell that to the fucking minors ya yapping cunts. Where's their second car / home / drivers / expense account / fancy diners / fat pension / free holidays / staffing / maids? / lucrative memoirs / after dinner speech earnings?
    Oul Robinsons' 500k up on our money (each year) and do not give a fuck, it makes me sick.
  11. avatar feline1
    [quote:02cb9f0f05="tinpot anto"]I love the naivity of the British media in thinking that Sinn Fein voters would be disgusted that their representives would be claiming more than they are entitled to from the government.

    lol[/quote:02cb9f0f05]

    Er, I think it's more British *taxpayers* who they expected to be disgusted.
    Since Sinn Fein's voters knew in advance that the Big Men wouldn't be taking their seats, they will scarcely have sh@t themselves at this news.
  12. avatar feline1
    [quote:26bf011a53="T Entertainment"]My favourite:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5305166/Margaret-Moran-claims-were-necessary-MPs-expenses.html

    "Miss Moran said: “My partner works in Southampton. He has done for 20 years. If I’m ever going to see my partner of 30 years, I can’t make him come to Luton all the time, I have to be able to have a proper family life sometimes, which I can’t do unless I have, you know, I share the costs of the Southampton home with him.”

    Asked why taxpayers should pay for the house in Southampton when she did not use it for her work as an MP, she replied: “Well I, you, you could argue that I use it to be able to sustain my work.

    “Any MP has to have a proper family life, they have to have support of their partner. How can an MP, I mean I

    defy anybody to try and do a proper job, much less an incredibly pressured job, in which you work all hours, all over, in the constituency, in Westminster and incredible pressure all the time.

    “You need the support of your partner and I believe that that’s a right. Everybody is entitled to some support and some family life and that’s the circumstances and reality which I checked, as I said.”"


    HERE, DEAR - [size=24:26bf011a53]NAH.[/size:26bf011a53][/quote:26bf011a53]


    This is rather like the obese Pickles tory b'stard who was on Question Time a few weeks ago, trying to tell the audience that he needed a 2nd home in central London, 30 miles away from his outer London home, because the Haus of Commons "runs like clockwork" and you simply "can't be late" so there was "no way" he could use public transport, unlike ordinary people who can turn up for work any old time.
  13. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:8a97a68fa1="Deestroyer"]British System = British People. Fair fucks to Sinn Fein members for stealing (I call politicians fiddling their expenses stealing) from the British taxpayers?
    I'm no fan of the oul Brits, but I can't really justify that.[/quote:8a97a68fa1]

    Yes, but WE pay our taxes too.

    But given that no one here has any power whatsoever over taxes, that money would have been collected by the Government anyway.

    Better going to an Irish political party than to individual MPs' property portfolios.

    Fair play I say
  14. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:9c4c03b1bb="Deestroyer"]I'm so fed up with Politicians crying martyrdom cause their jobs are quite involved. Tell that to the fucking minors ya yapping cunts.[/quote:9c4c03b1bb]

    So you're saying the politicians should start lobbying children?
  15. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:09fc04554f="tenrabbits"][quote:09fc04554f="Deestroyer"]I'm so fed up with Politicians crying martyrdom cause their jobs are quite involved. Tell that to the fucking minors ya yapping cunts.[/quote:09fc04554f]

    So you're saying the politicians should start lobbying children?[/quote:09fc04554f]
    Whoops! I was writing quickly, I got myself all upset an' all!

    [quote:09fc04554f]Yes, but WE pay our taxes too.

    But given that no one here has any power whatsoever over taxes, that money would have been collected by the Government anyway.

    Better going to an Irish political party than to individual MPs' property portfolios.

    Fair play I say[/quote:09fc04554f]
    I don't see how sorting yourself out with a lovely London gaff by fiddling your expenses is in the interests of Irish Republicanism or Republicans. If anything it's surely an embarrassment, undermines the party's integrity, takes money out of the collective pot we're all getting a share of, while the only person who is benefiting is herself, no?
    Fair fucks for what exactly? "Way to steal there love, you truly are a worthy representative of the people."
  16. avatar feline1
    [quote:f8b33885c5="Chi-Lite"][quote:f8b33885c5="Deestroyer"]British System = British People. Fair fucks to Sinn Fein members for stealing (I call politicians fiddling their expenses stealing) from the British taxpayers?
    I'm no fan of the oul Brits, but I can't really justify that.[/quote:f8b33885c5]

    Yes, but WE pay our taxes too.

    But given that no one here has any power whatsoever over taxes, that money would have been collected by the Government anyway.

    Better going to an Irish political party than to individual MPs' property portfolios.

    Fair play I say[/quote:f8b33885c5]


    But what will Sinn Fein do when they've achieved the objective of destroying the oppressive British Empire? They'll no longer be able to get free money any more!
    Cos, you know, apart from the free money, housing benefit, health service, roads, education, Dr Who, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, Bagpuss and Kenny Everett. And more free money - WHAT HAS THE BRITISH EMPIRE EVER DONE FOR US???
    :lol:
  17. avatar feline1
    [quote:f7bb837ca6="Deestroyer"]
    I don't see how sorting yourself out with a lovely London gaff by fiddling your expenses is in the interests of Irish Republicanism or Republicans. If anything it's surely an embarrassment, undermines the party's integrity, takes money out of the collective pot we're all getting a share of, while the only person who is benefiting is herself, no?
    Fair fucks for what exactly? "Way to steal there love, you truly are a worthy representative of the people."[/quote:f7bb837ca6]


    Well they are murderers, dear! :lol:
  18. avatar Chi-Lite
    Jimmy Nail. He must be worth a bit of oppression

    "I don't see how sorting yourself out with a lovely London gaff by fiddling your expenses is in the interests of Irish Republicanism or Republicans."

    Well, its establishing a london base for an irish republican party, that's how....I'd imagine they'd say.

    "takes money out of the collective pot we're all getting a share of"

    Of course it does, that's the whole point. Money which would otherwise be spent on british MPs buying houses is now spent on funding an irish republican party. If that's your bag, like.

    "while the only person who is benefiting is herself, no?"

    Hold on, aren't we talking about Sinn Féin? whol hold all money received in common? thus benefitting irish republicanism through increasing funding for an irish republican party?

    Is that what we're talking about, or are you talking about your woman? Aye, fuck her, now [i:c2b3db1b9d]that[/i:c2b3db1b9d] is a disgrace.
  19. avatar T Entertainment
    Although distinctly unedifying, the SF house rent and nice TVs 'issue' is a red herring in all this. Given that they've settled for so little constitutional change it's hardly surprising that they're going to take whatever cash is washing about from the Brits in the new dispensation.
    Indeed, showering cash on everyone in the political class here was a central plank of the peace process. And it worked, in the terms of those who did the showering.
  20. avatar T Entertainment
    Hmmm...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8043523.stm
  21. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    I'll repeat this once again, please read.

    This is standard practice with most politicians across the globe. It has been done for decades (if not more).

    So why the fuck are you lot up in arms just now? Because a newspaper came up with a facny story and headlines for something that is really not that new?
  22. avatar Chi-Lite
    I actually agree with you, it's an easy target like, but really amounts to a cheap shot. Especially given that its now accepted by pretty much everybody that the system should eb changed...they just haven't got round to doing it yet.

    There are lots of other, more pressing, matters like.
  23. avatar feline1
    [quote:e1c7328d57="Chi-Lite"]I actually agree with you, it's an easy target like, but really amounts to a cheap shot. Especially given that its now accepted by pretty much everybody that the system should eb changed...they just haven't got round to doing it yet.

    There are lots of other, more pressing, matters like.[/quote:e1c7328d57]


    what, like you schlabberin' on a load of auld ballex?
  24. avatar Chi-Lite
    Yes. like that.
  25. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Ach, still think that the fact that MPs of all parties feel it's ok for them to rob us is a quite serious problem.

    I guess the thing that annoys me is that a ridiculously large amount of people need a newspaper to tell them that this sort of stuff goes on and will only go in outrage mode when they are told to do so by said newspapers.
  26. avatar feline1
    [quote:d0e05e43ec="POSITIVExYOUTH"]

    I guess the thing that annoys me is that a ridiculously large amount of people need a newspaper to tell them that this sort of stuff goes on a[/quote:d0e05e43ec]


    How do you find out about news, then?
    Clairvoyancy?
    X-ray Specs?
    Rummaging through bins?
  27. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    No, but at the same time I don't live under a rock for a newspaper to tell me about something that is, as said, standard practice amongst politicians which has happened for decades if not more.

    It's hardly 'news' like.
  28. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:60fb226f45="Chi-Lite"]Jimmy Nail. He must be worth a bit of oppression

    "I don't see how sorting yourself out with a lovely London gaff by fiddling your expenses is in the interests of Irish Republicanism or Republicans."

    Well, its establishing a london base for an irish republican party, that's how....I'd imagine they'd say.[/quote:60fb226f45]I'd wager a bit of research would realise that claim as inaccurate.

    [quote:60fb226f45]"takes money out of the collective pot we're all getting a share of"

    Of course it does, that's the whole point. Money which would otherwise be spent on british MPs buying houses is now spent on funding an irish republican party. If that's your bag, like.[/quote:60fb226f45]
    I don't think the system has a set expense budget that needs used up, civil service style, so I don't think that's accurate. It's just more taxpayers doe. Although I'll accept your point if it's not the case.

    [quote:60fb226f45]"while the only person who is benefiting is herself, no?"

    Hold on, aren't we talking about Sinn Féin? whol hold all money received in common? thus benefitting irish republicanism through increasing funding for an irish republican party?[/quote:60fb226f45]
    Are the expenses she's claiming going directly into the party? Surely if she's claiming it on her expenses, she's the one getting reimbursed for the house, how else would she pay for it otherwise. The party is getting nothing, she's getting a free house. Although again, I'll accept your point if shown otherwise.

    [quote:60fb226f45]Is that what we're talking about, or are you talking about your woman? Aye, fuck her, now [i:60fb226f45]that[/i:60fb226f45] is a disgrace.[/quote:60fb226f45]
    I don't have clue what you're talkin about here. Do you mean my personal woman, or 'yer woman' as in "yer woman over there..."

    Plus, we're talkin about it because it's in the news, and therefore topical. I don't think it's strange that people discuss topical issues. The contrary would be strange. "Here, what about about that Crimean War, eh? Fuckin madness!"
  29. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:4bd2f11552="Deestroyer"][quote:4bd2f11552="Chi-Lite"]Jimmy Nail. He must be worth a bit of oppression

    "I don't see how sorting yourself out with a lovely London gaff by fiddling your expenses is in the interests of Irish Republicanism or Republicans."

    Well, its establishing a london base for an irish republican party, that's how....I'd imagine they'd say.[/quote:4bd2f11552]I'd wager a bit of research would realise that claim as inaccurate.[/quote:4bd2f11552]

    how so?


    [quote:4bd2f11552="Deestroyer"][I don't think the system has a set expense budget that needs used up, civil service style, so I don't think that's accurate.[/quote:4bd2f11552]

    No, but the NI block grant is a set budget, meaning that the money delivered here will not decrease. So really all they're doing is taking money that, had Sinn Féin not taken it, would never have seen its way here.




    [quote:4bd2f11552="Deestroyer"][
    Are the expenses she's claiming going directly into the party? Surely if she's claiming it on her expenses, she's the one getting reimbursed for the house, how else would she pay for it otherwise. The party is getting nothing, she's getting a free house. Although again, I'll accept your point if shown otherwise.[/quote:4bd2f11552]

    I repeat what i said...aren't we talking about Sinn Féin? Cause that's who I'm talking about.

    [quote:4bd2f11552="Deestroyer"][[quote:4bd2f11552]Is that what we're talking about, or are you talking about your woman? Aye, fuck her, now [i:4bd2f11552]that[/i:4bd2f11552] is a disgrace.[/quote:4bd2f11552]
    I don't have clue what you're talkin about here. Do you mean my personal woman, or 'yer woman' as in "yer woman over there..."[/quote:4bd2f11552]

    I mean that woman, margaret someone, who is a british MP, and who was mentioned earlier in this thread....but who isn't a member of Sinn Féin....which is why i asked "aren't we talking about Sinn Féin.

    It's ridiculous british MPs doing it, but I was just making the point that that obviously won't really be how Sinn Féin see it...and that they really have no call to be embarrased about it.

    [quote:4bd2f11552="Deestroyer"][Plus, we're talkin about it because it's in the news, and therefore topical. I don't think it's strange that people discuss topical issues. The contrary would be strange. "Here, what about about that Crimean War, eh? Fuckin madness!"[/quote:4bd2f11552]

    yes, i know. Sinn Féin in particular were in the news today, and that's what i was talking about, following Anto's piece where he said

    [quote:4bd2f11552]I love the naivity of the British media in thinking that Sinn Fein voters would be disgusted that their representives would be claiming more than they are entitled to from the government.[/quote:4bd2f11552]

    I was just agreeing with that, ye ken?

    Are you sure we're having the same conversation here? :lol:
  30. avatar Deestroyer
    Hmmn, maybe not. Who are you again?
  31. avatar ryanego
    It gets me to thinking.

    Why the buck am I sitting here studying like an idiot.

    I'll be doing this for a whack more years,and If I'm lucky, at the end of it, I'll probably come out with a salary considerably less than a Stormont MLA, never mind an MP.

    If I could just become a smarmy, self righteous, nest feathering bigot, I could forget about working hard.

    Fuck the recession, become an MLA.
  32. avatar Chi-Lite
    ain't nobody stopping ye. :D

    Honestly, you're all talking as if these people came round to your house and stole your playstation.

    If you don't want them to get paid all sorts of money, don't fecking vote for them.
  33. avatar my-angel-rocks
    But as the corruption is endemic in the system, who should we vote for? The problem runs deeper because everyone is doing what they're allowed to do according to the rules. Which is why none of the bastards can see anything wrong with what they're doing.
  34. avatar georgia
    [quote:d5fdfd14e9="feline1"]LOLing here at Sinn Fein's "identical televisions" which were vital to fighting against the oppression of free British money.[/quote:d5fdfd14e9]

    [b:d5fdfd14e9]"and Venetian blinds, costing £485"[/b:d5fdfd14e9]
    Maybe that's why they won't live there. They'd be homesick for the Belfast interior design classic that is the vertical blind.
  35. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:83b646be06="my-angel-rocks"]But as the corruption is endemic in the system, who should we vote for? The problem runs deeper because everyone is doing what they're allowed to do according to the rules. Which is why none of the bastards can see anything wrong with what they're doing.[/quote:83b646be06]

    Well, I wouldn't vote for anything of them like, but that's a different story.

    I'm only saying, we already know that we pay these bastards fortunes just for being bastards. Whether or not the system allows them to class toilet seats as expenses or not just doesn't really concern me. We pay them a fucking fortune anyway, through all sorts of salaries, bonuses and perks.

    Wankers like.
  36. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:b5b5df9019="Chi-Lite"]I'm only saying, we already know that we pay these bastards fortunes just for being bastards. Whether or not the system allows them to class toilet seats as expenses or not just doesn't really concern me. We pay them a fucking fortune anyway, through all sorts of salaries, bonuses and perks.[/quote:b5b5df9019]

    No, what you were saying was that if we voted the right people into office then they wouldn't abuse the system and steal huge sums of money, and that because we voted the wrong people into office, we only have ourselves to blame

    "If you don't want them to get paid all sorts of money, don't fecking vote for them."

    Except the system is broken and no matter who gets voted into power, they're going to steal a fucking fortune. So its not our fault, and we have every right to complain.
  37. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:6ccd3e08c7="my-angel-rocks"][quote:6ccd3e08c7="Chi-Lite"]I'm only saying, we already know that we pay these bastards fortunes just for being bastards. Whether or not the system allows them to class toilet seats as expenses or not just doesn't really concern me. We pay them a fucking fortune anyway, through all sorts of salaries, bonuses and perks.[/quote:6ccd3e08c7]

    No, what you were saying was that if we voted the right people into office then they wouldn't abuse the system and steal huge sums of money, and that because we voted the wrong people into office, we only have ourselves to blame[/quote:6ccd3e08c7]

    No I wasn't. As you helpfully pointed out, I was saying this;

    [quote:6ccd3e08c7]If you don't want them to get paid all sorts of money, don't fecking vote for them.[/quote:6ccd3e08c7]

    which doesn't include anything about voting any "right" people. sure they'd all do it. so don't vote for any of them.

    [quote:6ccd3e08c7="my-angel-rocks"]Except the system is broken and no matter who gets voted into power, they're going to steal a fucking fortune.[/quote:6ccd3e08c7]

    Which is what I've just said. What is strange is that we're suddenly surprised, just because there are interesting details about toilet seats, and kitkats. Which, I'm suggesting, makes no real odds. Would you be happier if we paid them £100,000 extra in salaries so they could buy their own kitkats? they're still gonna get kit-kats from somewhere, and toilet seats, and venetian blinds, and it's still ultimately taxpayers' money.

    Makes no difference whether they're pretending its expenses or not, is what i'm saying. because they're still fleecing us a fortune, whether through expenses, salaries, foreign trips or double jobs.
  38. avatar Deestroyer
    We're not surprised, just disappointed. :cry:
  39. avatar T Entertainment
    Simon Heffer sums it up:
    "What Labour calls "ordinary people" get into terrible trouble when they do not pay, or fiddle, their taxes. They not only have to repay the amount concealed (usually without a photo-opportunity being arranged to mark the occasion, as the preposterous Hazel Blears did this week), plus interest: they are often fined and, in extreme cases, imprisoned. Those convicted of fraud, or of obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception are, quite rightly, treated even more harshly. It is bad enough when such fraud occurs on a private individual in a business transaction into which both parties have entered of their own free will. When it happens on the taxpayer, who has been forced into handing over considerable sums of money honestly earned in order for it to be dishonestly spent, it is little short of evil.

    No MP exposed as having stolen from us like this should feel able ever again to offer him or herself to an electorate. Such people are simply morally unfit to represent us. The many cases in which there is a prima facie case of fraud must now be investigated by the Crown Prosecution Service, to show that, after all, we are all equal under the law. If I burgle someone's house, steal money, and am caught, it will make no odds if I volunteer to pay the money back. I have committed a crime and should be punished for it. This is how the public feels about politicians. In the cases of bent MPs, saying sorry and paying the money back once rumbled is not enough. I want them sewing mailbags."


    Did you SEE Blears proudly brandishing that cheque, like she was on fucking Comic Relief?! Jesus wept.
  40. avatar Le Sac Magique
    personally, i'm sick of hearing about all this. scandalous maybe, but i defy anyone to claim that there's not extremely high percentage of people, no matter who they are, who would not just put their head down and get on with it if they were working in such a system. stop crucifying these people, get it sorted, take them to courts or whatever, fair enough, anyone who has been actively manipulating the system to gain profit should be at least sacked from their position, let the rest get on with it. You'd think there weren't much, much worse things going on in the world than politicians spending a tiny fraction of the country's GDP.
  41. avatar clivemcl
    Food expenses? what on earth? Technically they arn't breaking rules on most of these extravagenses, the problem is why do these entitlements even exist?

    Why is there a food expenses entitlement at all never mind to the value of £400 a month? For goodness sake, can MPs not even buy their groceries with their wages???

    Like someone else says, if they have expenses for near enough everything they need in life, why do they even need a salary? Theres nothing else left they need to buy outside of their 'entitlements'.
  42. avatar my-angel-rocks
    I took exception to Stephen Fry telling us that we should all shut up about it, cos its not very interesting and we all do it anyway. I know a) that I don't fiddle my expense claims, and b) if I got caught doing it I could expect fairly severe consequences for doing so.

    http://backtowardsthelocus.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/observation/

    ----

    [quote:4b888b6afd][Conservative MP for Totnes in Devon, Anthony Steen] described the expenses system as "appalling" and "unworkable".[/quote:4b888b6afd]

    ...

    [quote:4b888b6afd][He] is said to have claimed £87,000 over four years for his country home, including paying a forestry expert to inspect his trees.[/quote:4b888b6afd]

    Seems the expenses system was pretty workable for him.
  43. avatar feline1
    [quote:8aa1672a3a="clivemcl"]Technically they arn't breaking rules on most of these extravagenses,[/quote:8aa1672a3a]

    well, actually,
    despite what the MPs would like you to believe,
    the Rules are quite clear about how the expense claims have to be for expenses occurred doing things directly essential to their role as an MP and are not to be extravagant etc etc (I forget the exact wording but it was read out on Question Time the other night).
    So they're all PWNED! :)
  44. avatar T Entertainment
    [quote:a23676c3c3="my-angel-rocks"]I took exception to Stephen Fry telling us that we should all shut up about it[/quote:a23676c3c3]
    100%. He's terminally down in my estimation (and I'm sure he's gutted, obviously). Anyone who can't see the importance of the principle at stake here isn't worth listening to.
  45. avatar feline1
    sure everyone knows Stephen Fry is a cocaine-snorting poove.
    Moreover, he is no Tony Slattery.
  46. avatar fastfude
    He is biting his own fist a tad, mind:

    [quote:5662fd7a07]Oh, I'm such an arse. Why can't I keep my mouth shut? Miserable all day at being portrayed as "the MPs' friend". As if. My own fault tho...[/quote:5662fd7a07]
    http://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1772873200
  47. avatar T Entertainment
    As well he might. Hypocritical cunt.
  48. avatar feline1
    coke-heads are always reprehensible selfish tw@ts
  49. avatar fastfude
    Given his massive rational and enlightened contributions to many other areas of sentient debate in modern society, I think he can be afforded one or two gaffes before you toss him on the pyre. Anyway, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZUU31kHrnw]he's a good dancer[/url].

    I am also uneasy at taking the Daily Mail at their word on anything and automatically wonder what else is behind this.

    So while I'd happily see these expenses claims tattooed across the MPs' foreheads shortly before they're all packed, naked and shrieking, into the B-Ark and launched into space, I think Herr Fry can stay.
  50. avatar feline1
    it's all a conspiracy to get the BNP into power, as a puppet fascist government for the real Bilderberg Bankers to install chips in us all and use tasers on everyone before killing them all with Tammiflu.
  51. avatar T Entertainment
    The cynicism of them blaming the Telelgraph for giving the BNP an opening by reporting this is jaw dropping.
    I am afraid, dear de-frauding MPs, that YOU have given fringe parties an opening with your massage chair buying antics / claiming for interest on mortgages on houses already paid off / generally living on another planet where you don't actually have to spend any of your wages on sustaining yourself or doing up your house.
  52. avatar JTM
    Who was that bird on the front of the Sunday Life yesterday? Some woman from North Down. Too sick to attend council meetings but well enough to attend swanky fashion dinners it seemed.

    Anyway my brother used to work in Deanes and she ate there for lunch every day.

    Just saying.

    Also this whole expenses thing is distracting us from swine flu. It's not gone away you know.
  53. avatar feline1
    Oh noes! Wouldn't it be terrible if the people of Ulster were so sickened by MP expenses that they only voted for bigoted sectarian parties with quasi-paramilitary links! :lol:
  54. avatar feline1
    Meanwhile, Sinn "Squeaky Clean" Fein continue their valient struggle to free us all from British Imperialist Oppression and Bring about a Neo-Trotskyist Utopia,
    by getting their education minister to take her wee gurl out of school during term time on a junket to Cyprus.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/may/19/education-minister-daughter-unauthorised-holiday
    Well, it beats murderin'! etc etc
  55. avatar rentaghost
    If carlsberg did Fridays.......

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8062650.stm
  56. avatar Orzo
    "I have for years argued that politicians should not be involved in setting or administering their own pay and expenses," he said.

    I doubt any of these arguments can be found in written print.

    It really is hilarious how they all tell us how horrible a system it is but have exploited it knowingly and willingly in the past and excuse it as part of the culture that existed within the parties.
  57. avatar Chi-Lite
    What I'm wondering is why this is all coming out now.

    Surely people in the media have known for years that, with a little bit of digging, they could have found all sorts of details like this.

    Wasn't there some sort of gentleman's agreement that that wasn't really newsworthy, because it affects all parties, and the entire political system?

    I wonder why the Telegraph have decided that now is the time to bring all this out?
  58. avatar tinpot anto
    Their sales in the last month have gone up like 500% or something mad :-)
  59. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ach aye, obviously there's all sorts of reasons for doing it.

    I just wonder why it has never been done before, even though surely everyone in the media knew that there must be a goldmine of scandal to uncover. Like I say, i was always under the impression that there was a gentleman's agreement on things like that, given the massive implications on the whole political system. This obviously goes beyond wanting Gordon Brown to call an election
  60. avatar tinpot anto
    There was a piece in the Guardian on Monday there that said that the whole hard drive containing all the expenses info had been copied and that a PR consultancy firm was hawking it around all the major papers for a few months looking a huge whack of cash for it, but they were turned down by most of them.

    Kicking themselves now, though!

    Actually they reported it back in March!
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/31/mps-expenses-for-sale
  61. avatar tenrabbits
    There was a fairly interesting piece in the Guardian a couple of weeks ago by a journalist who'd spent several [i:f004539c7f]years[/i:f004539c7f] trying to do exactly what you're saying Marty. She'd taken them to court numerous times, and even after getting agreement to publish the details they just didn't bother. From what I remember she essentially said the Speaker's office just did what they liked, even when a court injunction went against them.

    She also seemed unsurprisingly pissed off that after all her effort, the paper who just stumped up a load of cash succeeded in getting the story. Must be a real kick in the teeth!
  62. avatar rentaghost
    it is a bit weird, given that it was the Telegraph who broke the story, that allthe really silly ones have been about tories.
    Duck house, anyone?
  63. avatar feline1
    [quote:7deb103c23="Chi-Lite"]Ach aye, obviously there's all sorts of reasons for doing it.

    I just wonder why it has never been done before, even though surely everyone in the media knew that there must be a goldmine of scandal to uncover. Like I say, i was always under the impression that there was a gentleman's agreement on things like that, given the massive implications on the whole political system. This obviously goes beyond wanting Gordon Brown to call an election[/quote:7deb103c23]


    Oh come on Chi-lite: The Daily Torygraph has spent TENS OF THOUSANDS of QUID if not more doing all the backhanders and research on this.
    Who funded that?
    I don't actually no, but whoever it was decided to F*CK DA COMMONS - probably some bankers, jews or Bilderbergers, would be my guess
  64. avatar feline1
    It's all a Bilderberg New World Order conspiracy to evict a load of Plantagenates and install a useless puppet BNP government instead, who will be so crap that martial law has to be imposed.