1. avatar maddenrockband
    The band MADDEN here we really need people to tell us the problems with our songs,everyone say yeah there ok which is useless, so please follow the links below listen and tells us what u don't like, be as evil as u want.
    http://www.myspace.com/maddenrockband

    http://www.reverbnation.com/madden

    check out my solo stuff.

    http://www.reverbnation.com/chrismadden
    Last edited on , 2 times in total.
  2. avatar DeliriumTremens
    Honestly?

    Well here goes.

    You need a drummer.

    And to practice more.

    And to write some better songs.

    SORRY.
  3. avatar DeliriumTremens
    And what is that big bang at the start of Sunset City.
  4. avatar anty2
    Mamas angel - dont like the vocals or structure of the vocal lines, not strong enough. sounds like a weak rob zombie singing over over generic rock.


    Big bad bitch would sound alot better musically if it was speeded up quite a bit. still dont like the vocals, sounds like dvda vocals.


    I like the intro to 'these times'. The vocals are still not doing it, dont mean to be harsh but possibly consider a new vocalist.

    you guys are probably good musicians but theres many bands doing this type of thing better.
  5. avatar maddenrockband
    cheers for the comments love if u could listen to the widget on our mysace its chris madden solo see what u think of the covers,
    what do u think of our lyrics?
  6. avatar The Stav
    Maybe yous need to stop caring what other people think?
  7. avatar maddenrockband
    Yeah but its the people who listen to your music that have the big infulence, a lot of people already like our music i just want to get everyones honest opinion, so that i can improve my songs, what do u think?
  8. avatar The Stav
    Well, since you insist that my opinion is important to ya, I kinda agree with Delerium. Yous definitely need a decent drummer and plenty of hours of graft, then you may well be onto something. I don't really agree that you need better songs, just that you need to arrange, play and record them better. The intro of one of those tunes sounds like an ice cream van falling down the stairs. Wouldn't be a bad thing as a gimmick, but I suspect it's one of yez having a sincere stab at playing the piano. I'm not slaggin, I assume yez are young and if so all I can suggest is you keep plugging away and you'll be alright. Good luck!
  9. avatar whipchorus
    [img:08b4edc59b]http://www.soultracks.com/files/images/artists/alexander%20oneal.PNG[/img:08b4edc59b]

    Don't criticize my friends
    Criticize my ideas
    Don't criticize my lifestyle
    I'M FED UP 'CAUSE ALL YOU WANNA DO IS CRITICIZE
  10. avatar thecomeons_2
    there are either severe latency issues with your recording equipment or the timing is really bad in the two songs i listened to. i can forgive anybody for using a drum machine or similar devices, as that's what i recorded most of my demoes with too.

    not sure if i like the singing or not. sounded like somebody taking the piss of algy ward, imho.

    i'd suggest booking a local studio for an evening and recording one song, or looking though the posts on this site for recording students looking for bands. if your drum machine is midi-based, they'd be able to hook it up to a sound module that would make it sound more like a real kit.

    the poor timing makes it all sound crap and amateur. whether it's down to latency, not being able to play with recording equipment or under-rehearsed performances, you'd be the one to tell.

    keep it up. if you're into your music, it can't be easy ta\king critisism on something as public as the interweb, but perseverence wins in the end.
  11. avatar Sadoldgit
    It is a dangerous path to post unfinnished material on internet fora and ask for opinions, in a northern ireland setting at any rate..

    I agree with the comments re timing - the fact that you are not used to playing with a drummer shows.
    The timing is all to cock which you may not notice, but its the first thing most others look for in a band, regardless of genre.
    There is obvious basic underlying talent, but, you arent ready yet to release material.
    You arent a "band" as such yet..
    Get yourself a drummer and rehearse, rehearse , rehearse.
    There are lots of youtube players out there who can do little technical jiggery pokery....dont get distracted by that crap.
    Get a proper band.
    Play some gigs.
    Hear how shit you are live.
    Go back to your garage and play until your fingers bleed.
    Keep modifying the songs to make them just that...songs..

    and in a year or two when you have saved some money go into a proper studio and record a 3 track demo.
  12. avatar remaderyan
    I can hear what your trying to do, havent quite got there yet but I think it has great potential

    But dont lose heart, i think everyone is meaning well. If you were really shit they'd have said 'yeah its great' such is norn iron.

    Just need to get it tighter and a drummer.
  13. avatar maddenrockband
    I got to say thanks to all the people who have replied i really appreciate it, i now know how i can improve, yeah weve been lookn for a drummer but can't find any, and ur right about the studio, when we get the money we will do a couple of songs, weve kinda been learing our instruments and recording techniques as we write songs which is a great idea.

    hey id love if you could check out my solo stuff its completly diiferent very simple, love if u could give ur opinion on it.

    http://www.reverbnation.com/chrismadden
  14. avatar leesub60
    i think if you're dead set on being a singer you need to invest in singing lessons.
    you could'nae carry a tune in a bucket, son.
  15. avatar maddenrockband
    could'nae carry a tune in a bucket?

    by the way i just listened to sub60?

    hmmm
  16. avatar leesub60
    it's fair to say we're an aquired taste.
  17. avatar maddenrockband
    naw u guys are quite good, the thing i cant understand with our music is we get really good comments, from bands like swanee river and jaded sun, which make us feel 100% then people say were crap, and i don't know who to believe, i just want to get better.
  18. avatar ryanego
    The more you criticise yourself, the better you will get.

    Really think about your music and what you're trying to do with it. Get away from it for a while, then listen to it alongside stuff you like and try and figure out why the stuff you like is better.

    But like everyone says, first work on your timing. Just keep practicing to a beat or click and focus on trying to feel it.

    Also, I disagree about going to a studio just yet, I think you should work away demoing for a bit until you've sorted out your timing and you have some songs that you think are really killer, then go into a good studio and get some help to do them justice.
  19. avatar izzys_return
    Possibly your way better live, thus getting praise from 2 great bands (swanee River & Jaded Sun). From the recordings (and I've only listened to the Madden band stuff) I would recommend Vocal lessons, they aren't strong enough in my opinion, though you do have the basis of good tunes there, they just need tightened up and yes you need a drummer.

    I can only wish you good luck and keep workin, use the negative comments to keep pushing yourselves.

    If you care to abuse my music see www.myspace.com/tommyshots
  20. avatar The Stav
    If you're lookin a decent practice room in the city centre, gimme a bell on 077 56238660.

    www.myspace.com/rinkydinkrehearsals

    It's there to help punters like yourselves improve.

    Good luck!
  21. avatar DeliriumTremens
    Once you get a drummer on board and practice tonnes the songs will come to life and in turn your confidence will increase and itll snowball from there. Best of luck with the drummer hunt.
  22. avatar maddenrockband
    New Chris Madden song up, called "Goodbye" Check it out.

    http://www.reverbnation.com/chrismadden
  23. avatar theavenue
    1) The first thing that annoyed me was the fact that your motto seems to be "rock n' fuck'n roll". God damn. You're certainly NOT the first band to use that.

    2) Really? Riffy classic rock? Man, if you want to be the least original band in the world, choose riffy AC/DC rock.
  24. avatar izzys_return
    [quote:dbb0dd9e16="theavenue"]1) The first thing that annoyed me was the fact that your motto seems to be "rock n' fuck'n roll". God damn. You're certainly NOT the first band to use that.

    2) Really? Riffy classic rock? Man, if you want to be the least original band in the world, choose riffy AC/DC rock.[/quote:dbb0dd9e16]

    Pointless comments! Stick to yer guns, AC/DC rock if you can sound like that fuck it, it's rockin! Tho I re-iterate vocal lessons and practice like fuck!
  25. avatar whipchorus
    [quote:4db292cb5d="theavenue"]1) The first thing that annoyed me was the fact that your motto seems to be "rock n' fuck'n roll". God damn. You're certainly NOT the first band to use that.

    2) Really? Riffy classic rock? Man, if you want to be the least original band in the world, choose riffy AC/DC rock.[/quote:4db292cb5d]

    I know, originality within a rock band is a virtue without compare. Sometimes being the 'first' at things is boring and dull.
  26. avatar whipchorus
    Moreover I wouldn't worry about 'originality' comments on here to be honest, apparently for bands here originality stretches as far as Slint's second album, with a dash of My Bloody Valentine....and...that's as far as my record collection goes.
  27. avatar Sadoldgit
    a jangly chord here, a floppy haired puppy eyed scoul there...and a blond telecaster or ES335 there..

    There is enough formulaic !ndie here that could be criticised without any "not another crap ACDC clone" coments.
    Go ahead and write catchy riffs...just make sure you work on the areas that need work.
    Too many rock guitarists get caught up in being "technical" and forget that what people really want is a good tune.
    Get your vocal and timing issues sorted and work on playing live.
  28. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:4c54983e6e="Sadoldgit"]There is enough formulaic !ndie here that could be criticised without any "not another crap ACDC clone" coments.[/quote:4c54983e6e]

    Why must anyone attacking a rawk band automatically be assumed to be an ind[b:4c54983e6e][/b:4c54983e6e]iekid?
  29. avatar maddenrockband
    Well i think the point everyone is making here is that indie and emo kids just don't get real rock n roll, ive listend to a lot of bands in northern ireland and they all seem to be the same indie shit, with the exception of about 6 bands, thats why im trying to do rock n roll, there is no bands in northern ireland doing what were doing, ( and no jokes).

    OH AND I NEVER CALLED MY MUSIC, RIFFY CLASSIC ROCK?

    Thanks for the support from the last few comments,

    ROCK N FUCK'N ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  30. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:f65e1323ab="maddenrockband"]Well i think the point everyone is making here is that music not belonging to or affiliated with a major record company and emo kids just don't get real rock n roll[/quote:f65e1323ab]

    I dont think thats true...

    [quote:f65e1323ab]thats why im trying to do rock n roll, there is no bands in northern ireland doing what were doing[/quote:f65e1323ab]

    And I'm pretty certain thats not either.
  31. avatar Sadoldgit
    I think the point was.........it was a young musician loking for pointers.

    The genre is nothing to do with it.
    If it was !ndie with the same issues...ie timing, vocal polish..the comments from those who have contributed would be the same.

    Personally, I think our young thread starter has a long way to go and much to learn, but, unlike myangelrocks, I would prefer to put a spotlight on the positives and suggest some ways to improve the negatives , rather than just make comments based on genre.
  32. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d9c212428b="Sadoldgit"]unlike myangelrocks, I would prefer to put a spotlight on the positives and suggest some ways to improve the negatives , rather than just make comments based on genre.[/quote:d9c212428b]

    I have made no comments based on the genre at all (beyond saying I don't think they're the only people doing Rock N Fuckin'Roll in N. Ireland), and implying that I am defending I[b:d9c212428b][/b:d9c212428b]ndie vs Rawk because I hate rock, kinda goes back to my original point. Why is a criticism of a rock band always deconstructed to "you're just an i[b:d9c212428b][/b:d9c212428b]ndiekid who doesn't get music"?

    You're the one who brought genre into this.

    There is no Us vs Them people.
  33. avatar theavenue
    [quote:bbcfbbec0c="maddenrockband"]Well i think the point everyone is making here is that music not belonging to or affiliated with a major record company and emo kids just don't get real rock n roll[/quote:bbcfbbec0c]

    Not an ind1e kid, nor an emo kid and I understand what rock n roll is. I also would imagine you're thinking of Led Zeppelin and not what rock and roll actually is.

    [quote:bbcfbbec0c]there is no bands in northern ireland doing what were doing, ( and no jokes).[/quote:bbcfbbec0c]

    Ha! Apparently you've been picking and choosing what music you're listening to. You're not the only band in the entire country playing that kind of music. I saw a local band a few nights ago here in Saskatchewan and they were riffy rock too. Too late! It's worldwide now.

    [quote:bbcfbbec0c]OH AND I NEVER CALLED MY MUSIC, RIFFY CLASSIC ROCK?[/quote:bbcfbbec0c]

    Nope, I did. I forgot generic too.

    [quote:bbcfbbec0c]ROCK N FUCK'N ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote:bbcfbbec0c]

    Knob.
  34. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    [quote:78a4ee3d5d="maddenrockband"]Well i think the point everyone is making here is that music not belonging to or affiliated with a major record company and emo kids just don't get real rock n roll,[/quote:78a4ee3d5d]




    lol
  35. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    What is there to get?
  36. avatar maddenrockband
    a lot!
  37. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Such as?
  38. avatar maddenrockband
    this could go on forever, hey its only fun, and were gettin g away from the point, what do u think of my solo stuff,

    http://www.reverbnation.com/chrismadden
  39. avatar Livingstone
    Dear Chris,

    You asked for a critique of you music, so please accept this as an honouring your request.

    The music of Madden is cliched, disconcertingly out of time and offers nothing new or creative to the world of music. I'm at a loss as to why the vocals are sung in a American Rock-esque accent???
    I would like to ask you a question; what do YOU sound like? I can hear that you produce a pastiche of 1970's Americana Music, but you are from Belfast. What would Madden sound like if they had the bravery to create their OWN music?

    living:stone.x.
  40. avatar thefoxofmoscow
    Hi guys,
    first, I think I'd speak for most people in saying that its great that you're making music, and in no way should any negative criticism convince you to stop playing.

    in relation to the genre 'argument' (?) that a number of comments have referred to, I think it's important to point out that playing 'rock and fuckin' roll' kinda implies that certain musical features and boundaries are maintained, for that is what makes the genre what it is.
    For example, would AC/DC still be considered Rock and Roll if Angus Young dropped his SG in favour of a Tele, or indeed, if they deviated from the 5 or so chords that they have used to create their entire back catalog?
    Not all music has to progress music as a whole, otherwise genres would be nigh-undefinable, and music would not be what it is today.

    anyway, to add some suggestions, finding a drummer is crucial, as you simply cannot nurture a seminal band environment by using a drum machine.
    There are numerous timing and singing issues with most of your tracks, and (to me) it seems as though the songs were rushed, and your vocal melodies were not thought out enough, as the singing tends to deviate away from the accompanying music frequently.
    There are some very nice guitar and piano parts in places, but timing issues cover what could be good songs in a layer of 'bad'. This will come with practice, especially with a good drummer. Sorting that asap will benefit you greatly.

    If you know anyone who has a good ear for music (preferably a trained musician), consult them on any issues you feel you have with your music. If they can help/provide assistance/solutions to any problems that have been mentioned in previous posts, then I think that would be a good way to go about making your music better.
    Hope this helps. Good luck

    PS, get rid of whatever effect you are using on your vocals in the recordings, it is extremely disconcerting to listen to, and makes some vocals indiscernible.
  41. avatar whipchorus
    [quote:ea14f7666e="Livingstone"]Dear Chris,

    You asked for a critique of you music, so please accept this as an honouring your request.

    The music of Madden is cliched, disconcertingly out of time and offers nothing new or creative to the world of music.
    [/quote:ea14f7666e]

    To me this isn't an argument. 'Cliched' in relation to what? Plenty of bands here are as 'retro' as our lads here, but hey, Sonic Youth are younger than AC/DC and Led Zep, and aren't from the dreaded 60s/early 70's, so work away. Anyway the music world is full or arseholes masquerading as 'creative'.
  42. avatar billyfyffe
    Fair play to you for putting your music out here for people to criticise. It's a bold thing to do when your music is far from perfect.

    You boys have talent, it's clear in the songs. Nice guitar work. I liked the piano in "These TImes" but it was a bit out of key methinks.

    Vocals, alot of bands fall on this. My advice is to get lessons or just sing, sing, sing. Work out those vocal chords every chance to get.

    Anthony Robbins once said in a talk of his..

    "We can all be great at what we do as individuals but we'll never get the most out of the situtation unless we work as one."

    I think this is key with your band. At your instruments, you sound pretty darn good, but only individually. You need to get into that practice room and learn to work as one, get those songs tight, every beat, every note to exact.

    I tried listening to your solo stuff, but it wouldn't play so cannot comment.
  43. avatar Freex
    Had a quick listen,

    Timing is everything, and you ain't got timing.

    You need a drummer one that can play consistantly to a set tempo, then you can learn to play WITH the beat. It's all over the place even in your solo stuff.
    On that subject Halleljah, the guitar strumming is all over the place, learn to strum, I thought it was a completely different song, your timing was so bad.

    You need to practice more, there are only two of you so I can't understand how or why everything can sound like it's the first time you have ever played the song.


    It's bad, so very bad.

    But it can only get better :D

    Try playing to a click, all the time, as this will improve your timing.

    As for the comment about singing in your accent, that's just for the tossers that can't sing or speak properly for that matter and instead talk in a tuneful manner. You just need practice and time to develope your own vocal style and technique. Technique is everything, get some lessons as then your teacher can tell you where you are going wrong, or if you are stuck, look for some stuff you can read or download from the net, but be careful as you'll have know feedback, and can learn very bad habits, that you think are right.

    Good Luck
  44. avatar Sadoldgit
    Agree 100% re lessons.

    Its the best way to turn raw talent into polished playing...oh, and its almost better if your teacher isnt that "in" to your sort of music as you will then be more likely to develop your own style as you grow instead of being someone elses clone.

    Check yellow pages for teachers and music schools in your area.
  45. avatar login
    Tuning!
  46. avatar Livingstone
    [quote:aab4830aaa="whipchorus"][quote:aab4830aaa="Livingstone"]Dear Chris,

    The music of Madden is cliched, disconcertingly out of time and offers nothing new or creative to the world of music.
    [/quote:aab4830aaa]

    To me this isn't an argument. 'Cliched' in relation to what? Plenty of bands here are as 'retro' as our lads here, but hey, Sonic Youth are younger than AC/DC and Led Zep, and aren't from the dreaded 60s/early 70's, so work away. Anyway the music world is full or arseholes masquerading as 'creative'.[/quote:aab4830aaa]

    [i:aab4830aaa]"The music of Madden is cliched, disconcertingly out of time and offers nothing new or creative to the world of music"[/i:aab4830aaa] is constructive criticism.
    Progress and evolution in music happens when people push themselves into (at the least) making an attempt at producing music containing some degree of honesty and ingenuity. To say "Anyway the music world is full or arseholes masquerading as 'creative'" does not give license for acceptance of other stereotypes.