1. avatar robot_rock
    Please. If anyone reading this really cares about the World and the ones you love, you need to start taking some action. Or at least become aware of a few things! There is an elite group of people who own and control our world. They are the New World Order. They are basically the owners of our world banks and they can control EVERYTHING! If you think Obama is our Saviour and he is here to change things, think again! He is nothing more than a puppet. He is financed by Wall Street (the most powerful organisation in the world). Already Obama has helped scrap the first amendment, amongst many other things and there is a War on for your Mind!

    Think back to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin,etc. They all came in to power promising change, but what did they do? Murdered millions and millions of innocent people. Don't be so naive as to think Obama is any different.

    You can either disbelieve what I'm saying, out of pure ignorance or you can watch the videos below and make your own mind up! When I mentioned the New World Order to anyone a few years ago, people just called me crazy but if you look at the evidence, you will realise that what the Government is doing, insults the intelligence of a 10 year old. Now you can watch the News, and you will hear Gordon Brown,etc. openly talking about the New World Order. Are these people looking out for your best interests? I don't think so! They are controlling your mind through the media, news, pop culture, genetically modified foods, man made virus' (swine flu,etc.)

    Steps are being made to microchip people and control every move they make, every thought they possess. If you go against the New World Order, they call you a terrorist. These 'leaders' should be tried for treason. Open your mind!

    9/11 was an Inside job! This was the only way the NWO could succeed. By staging false flag terror. That way they can scrap the constitution and go about taking over the world. All you have to do is watch the evidence for yourself.

    I would love to hear what anyone has to say. If you want a future for yourself, for your family, for your kids, you need to become aware and stop complying with the lies. Look beyond a President. He does not have the power the change the world. It is the ones in the background who you will never see who are using him as a puppet.

    Please take the time to watch these videos!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yscpNIxjI
  2. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    "It is the ones in the background who you will never see who are using him as a puppet. "

    This bit, here. Fucking fantastic. The less evidence there is, the more proof you have. Of course, given that my mind is apparently being controlled, that's exactly what I would say, innit?

    I miss the good ol' days when Obama was just a Muslim Antichrist, myself.
  3. avatar rl-vl
    awk, but he has such a lovely smile and he eats cheeseburgers.
  4. avatar Smallsquare
    Have you read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion too. It's great. I also have a number of bridges I wish to sell you.
  5. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Ahahah priceless! Quite entertaining.

    [quote:795cbac788="robot_rock"]Think back to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin,etc. They all came in to power promising change, but what did they do? Murdered millions and millions of innocent people. Don't be so naive as to think Obama is any different. [/quote:795cbac788]

    But this was the best bit.

    Mate, it happens in politics all the time. Wise up, will ye?
  6. avatar 10rapid
    who let Jim Corr on?
  7. avatar lukebackmore
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

    see sections 2.1 - 2.9! (the alien invasion theory is my favourite)
  8. avatar Smallsquare
    That said the alternative is terrifying: there is no secret cabal in charge and the world really is run by civil servants.
  9. avatar robot_rock
    I suppose you'll be the first to put your hand up for being microchipped? Then eventually when everything is paid for by electronic means and you get rejected when trying to buy something, pay rent,etc. will you believe then that you are being controlled?

    Does the very thought of being microchipped not sicken you? You believe this a rational way of life?

    The recession and people losing their jobs and having no money... does not happen by accident. It's not humanly possible for that just to happen by coincidence. It has been orchestrated and designed.
  10. avatar fastfude
    [quote:0d29e0c457="10rapid"]who let Jim Corr on?[/quote:0d29e0c457]You read my mind ;)
    OH MY GOD YOU'RE ONE OF THEM

    Anyway, my exalted position as Oppressive Dictator of Local Music assures me a seat in this New World Order. I will bring the full wrath of our forces to bear on flyposting. Also more park benches for old people, when they are not being sent down the Carryduff Dilithium Mines.
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  11. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    You really talk from your rear end, don't you?

    You are talking so much shite I don't even know where to start in pointing out why exactly you are talking shite.
  12. avatar stevie j
    [quote:1cec1ad453="robot_rock"]
    The recession and people losing their jobs and having no money... does not happen by accident. It's not humanly possible for that just to happen by coincidence. It has been orchestrated and designed.[/quote:1cec1ad453]

    Explain? :lol:

    So all those economics students are being fed lies and are wasting their time?

    Who told Gordon Brown to sell off all the gold at rock bottom prices?

    Did the person who bought the gold flee the planet and do they now live with reptilian scientologists?
  13. avatar robot_rock
    As for 9/11. Did u even know about WTC 7? The 3rd worst structural collapse in History and it was never even mentioned on the news! It wasn't even hit by a plane. And when asked about it, the owner Larry Silverstein said they took the decision to "pull it". So they apparently got in to the building and fitted it with explosives in a matter of a few hours.

    Are you too frightened to get involved? Are you happy to cooperate with the system?

    Go watch 1984 (George Orwell) and you'll realise if you have any sense that this is coming true.
  14. avatar lukebackmore
    robot rock, people losing their jobs and having no money isnt an accident no, people are just greedy b@stards and the unforunate thing is that the average joes suffer for it, as for microchipping i wouldnt be so naive to suppose that people will go for something like that, we all have minds of our own and power of free thought and choice and i dont know anyone who would be arsed getting microchipped. what if we dont want a microchip do we go to jail? that documentary is a crock of sh1t, 'oh its people with all the wealth that control the government and governments are corrupt' tell us something we didnt know!
  15. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Microchipped? So last year. Your proper, up-to-date NWO headbin is ranting and raving about RFIDs these days. Before that, it was credit cards, and before that Barcodes. It seems incredible that there's no technology these NWO bastards can't use to control us. You have to stay on top of these things, man, otherwise you'll never know exactly which parts of the head are the ones you really need to get the tinfoil on.
  16. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:728fd71ecd="robot_rock"]Are you too frightened to get involved? Are you happy to cooperate with the system? [/quote:728fd71ecd]

    None of us cooperate with the syste because the 'sysem' you are talking about is a load of bollocks.

    You are talking shite, just stop before you make even more of a fool out of yourself.
  17. avatar georgia
    [quote:81e59d1130="robot_rock"]I suppose you'll be the first to put your hand up for being microchipped? [/quote:81e59d1130]
    I'd prefer to be ovenchipped.
  18. avatar lukebackmore
    if anyone is going to watch that documentary please skip to 1:32:00 and watch on, ive realised who helped make this documentary, f*cking gun nuts!!! cheeky scamps!!
  19. avatar himynameissween
    i prefer zeitgeist. its a better documentary AND it covers religion, money, 9/11 and the NWO.

    see also: loose change final cut.

    tho im not gonna preach it. but the above docs are worth watching.
  20. avatar The Ronster
    All conspiracy theories are bollocks, precisely because they involve one crucially unreliable element - people.

    As much as it is fun to believe fanciful stories about 9/11, Iraq, JFK, whatever - the truth of the matter is that it would be a gargantuan achievement to keep secrets like that.

    Paranoid or simply daft nonsense.

    What brand of weed has made it into the Mojo Fury house?
  21. avatar anty2
    The worlds under thread from the NWO, where do you go to seek help. The Fastfude forums.......brother
  22. avatar etherlands
    My first post!
    Ronster, there's no other to say it: you are an ignorant fool.

    "All conspiracy theories are bollocks, precisely because they involve one crucially unreliable element - people."

    That was classic. In what world is that true?

    People like you and the other mudslingers on here keep each other in line like sheep.
  23. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Hanlon's Razor applies.
  24. avatar dommccann
    [img:3d4fa9b360]http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/retard-rickshaw-hall-shame/38304d1174697751-why-all-nerd-rage-against-vanguard-tinfoil-hat.jpg[/img:3d4fa9b360]
  25. avatar Alex-Circadian
    "Hey, y'know Gravity is just a CIA plot to keep us all on Earth!"
    "NO WAY?!?"
    "YES WAY!"
  26. avatar etherlands
    It would be nice to think that the major geopolitical events (9/11, 7/7) are born out of govt f*ck ups. Over the few years it's become evident that they are as a result of a concerted power-grabbing effort by the world's self-appointed elites.

    Keep an eye out for whatever info leaks out from next month's bilderberg meeting and you'll get a good idea of how the current recession will play out.
  27. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Become evident? As in there's evidence? Fucked if I've seen any.
  28. avatar etherlands
    Where do you get your info? About two weeks ago, Neils Harit, prof. nano-chemistry in Copenhagen revealed that they had found in the dust, the explosive material used to bring down the three towers on 9/11. [url]http://911blogger.com/node/19989[/url]

    This thing is bigger than a few paranoid delusionals on the internet throwing out fanciful ideas of the world, as a lot of you would like to believe.

    Here's a good start: [url]http://stj911.org/[/url]
  29. avatar T Entertainment
    "Go watch 1984 (George Orwell) and you'll realise if you have any sense that this is coming true."

    Jeez, I even took the bold step of reading it (the book is an adaptation of the movie, which does indeed rulez I accept) but still found myself concluding that you're talking baseless nonsense.
    Everyone [i:4fcc5a4949]knows[/i:4fcc5a4949] it's the Jews.

    "If anyone reading this really cares about the World and the ones you love, you need to start taking some action."

    Apart from burbling on message boards, pray tell what action have you taken / planned?


    "Ronster, there's no other to say it: you are an ignorant fool."

    I've been trying to tell the world this for years! BUT WOULD THEY LISTEN??????
  30. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    The individual components of any Thermite type compostion have every reason to be within a building like the WTC. Aluminium, Steel, etc. Finding them amongst the wreckage and declaring it was a thermite bomb that caused the collapse is like finding shards of a teacup and declaring the building once was a pottery.

    The WTC had already been hit by a car bomb prior to 9/11. Why go to the extra hassle, bother and expense of training suicide pilots to fly planes, into the building when it would be simpler to merely declare it was another car bombing on a massive scale, having the added advantage of the "evidence" being buried.

    Amongst the thousands of people at work within the WTC, no-one noticed anyone spending ages spreading kilo upon kilo of explosive around the place?

    Are you honestly telling me that of the literal thousands of people involved in law enforcement within New York, and those performing the cleanup and all that, have all been apparently silenced somehow by shadowy figures to maintain this conspiracy which apparently benefits someone else directly?

    Critical thinking. It's what separates us from the animals.
  31. avatar Reckoner
    I was wondering what happened to the rest of my tinfoil.
  32. avatar etherlands
    [url]http://cmm.nbi.ku.dk/people/[/url] (scroll down a bit)
  33. avatar fastfude
    This has no relevance, I just find it funny

    [img:92f20e90af]http://wondermark.com/c/2008-09-30-447billion.gif[/img:92f20e90af]
    http://wondermark.com/447/
  34. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:3738f6a7c1="robot_rock"]
    Go watch 1984 (George Orwell) and you'll realise if you have any sense that this is coming true.[/quote:3738f6a7c1]
    It detracts from the impact somewhat when you tell us to 'watch' it rather than read it. And also when you tell us who wrote it, just in case we weren't quite aware.
  35. avatar stevie j
    I think the NWO has infiltrated fastfude.

    All the post times are an hour late. Either that or they've catapulted me an hour ahead of everyone else and are at this minute drilling my skull and putting in all manner of electro-mechanical devices to turn me into a doomsday machine
  36. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    I sit corrected.

    Still, hardly the most vital flaw in the whole thing, is it?

    Quite apart from all that I've listed already, I'm yet to see a specific goal that's actually achieved by such an event by these alleged puppetmasters. Qui Bono, if you will. What specific benefits did these sinister geniuses arrive at with 9/11 that they couldn't have acheived otherwise?

    Isn't such a dramatic event a little loud and obvious for such apparent masters of disguise and obfuscation? If I was part of some sort of over-government of the world, I wouldn't risk so obvious a move, given that I'd already, apparently, succeeded in secretly bending the entire world to my will for decades beforehand.

    How do these magnificent genius apparently know, with seemingly clockwork precision, which way the jelly of the world will wobble when they strike it? Post-facto rationale is generally considered bollocks for a very good reason.
  37. avatar Smallsquare
    If the Jews really ran the world Israel would have flying cars.
  38. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:f7bb7efde9="robot_rock"]Think back to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin,etc. They all came in to power promising change, but what did they do? Murdered millions and millions of innocent people[/quote:f7bb7efde9]

    At least they kept their promises. before they were elected, hardly anyone innocent was being murdered. If only all politicans were like these upstanding examples.
  39. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:9bae68a5cc="The Ronster"]All conspiracy theories are bollocks, precisely because they involve one crucially unreliable element - people.[/quote:9bae68a5cc]

    There's a general rule that the fewer people in the chain of command who could know about whats going on the more likely I am to believe the conspiracy. Compare and contrast the Pearl Harbor conspiracy where there were about 4 people who needed to knew what was going on, with the much larger number who would have had to have known about rigging the world trade center with explosives.

    One of the claims in the documentary was that the cabal caused the financial crash, and were going to cause the stock markets to rise again. But thats what always happens, once you hit the bottom of a crash, you recover.

    Of course, the people in power (the actual people in power, not the pretend people behind the curtain) like, sorry, love these conspiracy theory nuts, cos there's nothing like a big secret to keep people occupied while they do mundane, boring things like claim second home allowance when they live 33miles from London, or claim back porn and patio heaters on the expenses.

    And for the record, I don't think we're heading to 1984. A Brave New World is much more likely.
  40. avatar Daithi jasper
    Before this thread I had no idea Mojo Fury were completely mental, have there been earlier indications that I'd missed? Therefore I call this publicity stunt. :)


    (Actually apologies if robot_rock isn't in that band)
  41. avatar Harsh1
    .... people are basically greedy self centred cunts that couldnt give a flying fuck about anyone else other than their ego and fat wad ... so go out and make some tunes to cheer ppl up and mebee make em less of a bastard!
  42. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:6a7c532423="my-angel-rocks"]There's a general rule that the fewer people in the chain of command who could know about whats going on the more likely I am to believe the conspiracy. Compare and contrast the Pearl Harbor conspiracy where there were about 4 people who needed to knew what was going on, with the much larger number who would have had to have known about rigging the world trade center with explosives.[/quote:6a7c532423]

    And that is precisely why conspiracy theorists are a bunch of idiots in 90% of the cases, because they fail to make links between events.

    If these people said that, like in the Pearl Harbour case, there was intelligence about the attack and did not act upon it in order to create popular consensus for a war that would have been otherwise unpopular, I would be inclined to understand more and agree.

    But no, these loonies are such a bunch of idiots that they have to create some bullshit theory with so many holes and so little evidence to explain things that could be explained in a much simpler way. Maybe they are the ones who are brainwashed, anyone ever thought that might be the case?

    Anyway, continue on. Conspirachy theories and their proponents are source of untold entertainment.
  43. avatar BOOZEHOUND
    the NWO?
    first the WWF, then WCW, now the world? :shock:
    bloody Hulk Hogan...who does he think he is :evil: ?
  44. avatar The Ronster
    From the always excellent Penn & Teller - their episode of Bullshit! on conspiracy theories.

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AgtHgtyiQG0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AgtHgtyiQG0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RJzdJjpV3dA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RJzdJjpV3dA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/vujyCCunwic&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/vujyCCunwic&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
  45. avatar Deestroyer
    I used to believe loads of conspiracy theories, I think a lot of it stems from misunderstood marxist theory, which is kind of the first conspiracy theory I suppose. The only difference is that people assume the rich and the powerful know what they're doing, and you often hear them referred to as "geniuses".
    The truth is, as far as I have discerned, the most powerful people in the world are no more intelligent than anyone else, and don't really know what's going on any better than we do. The very fact that there are rich and powerful people is certain to inspire some feelings of paranoia and chatter about intentioned oppression.
    The even more scary reality is that most of the terrible world events executed by the rich and powerful e.g. The Iraq war, the persecution is Islam, the crashing of world markets, the world wars etc, were largely borne of the same naiveté's, racism, irrational fear, un-tethered ambition and lust for power that gives birth to conspiracy theories in the first place.
    The only conspiracy theory I subscribe to is that people, powerful or not, are just as susceptible to common human foibles as everyone else, the problem being that our welfare is in the hands of the incompetent – this is a scary realisation, and it's probably more comforting to believe we are at the mercy of conspiring geniuses.
    That doesn't mean there aren't cover-ups and scandals though, for example, when you look at the likes of Tsvangirai incident, his attempted murder, and the murder of his wife were the result of Mugabe's own paranoia and megalomania – a fairly common human trait, and one that can drive a person into a position of power due to the nature of the beast.
    The murder of Dr David Kelly was little more subtle, but again a result of idiots trying to cover-up their own mess as opposed to geniuses hatching a dastardly plan.
  46. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    I kinda see the comfort factor more than anything else in Conspiracy theory. It's probably easier and nicer to believe someone is controlling all, even if the are allegedly malevolent, that accept that the world's problems are largely down to the random actions of the flawed, venal, nasty fuckers that comprise it's human population. Would you rather believe in a couple o'dozen bastards, or 6 billion?
  47. avatar munchies
    [quote:cdcf4148a5="Deestroyer"]The murder of Dr David Kelly was little more subtle, but again a result of idiots trying to cover-up their own mess as opposed to geniuses hatching a dastardly plan.[/quote:cdcf4148a5]

    Was he not found hanged? Was it suggested he was murdered? I always assumed it was suicide as he would of been feeling quite guilty about being the name behind the 45 minutes report?
  48. avatar Deestroyer
    Double post
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  49. avatar Deestroyer
    The official line was that he had taken an overdose and cut his wrists, but three separate post-mortems found a suicide by those means had been impossible.

    Edit: 3 specialists, not three post-mortems.

    [quote:a639f77f6a]
    Tuesday January 27, 2004
    The Guardian

    As specialist medical professionals, we do not consider the evidence given at the Hutton inquiry has demonstrated that Dr David Kelly committed suicide.

    Dr Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist at the Hutton inquiry, concluded that Dr Kelly bled to death from a self-inflicted wound to his left wrist. We view this as highly improbable. Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to life-threatening blood loss. Dr Hunt stated that the only artery that had been cut - the ulnar artery - had been completely transected. Complete transection causes the artery to quickly retract and close down, and this promotes clotting of the blood.

    The ambulance team reported that the quantity of blood at the scene was minimal and surprisingly small. It is extremely difficult to lose significant amounts of blood at a pressure below 50-60 systolic in a subject who is compensating by vasoconstricting. To have died from haemorrhage, Dr Kelly would have had to lose about five pints of blood - it is unlikely that he would have lost more than a pint.

    Alexander Allan, the forensic toxicologist at the inquiry, considered the amount ingested of Co-Proxamol insufficient to have caused death. Allan could not show that Dr Kelly had ingested the 29 tablets said to be missing from the packets found. Only a fifth of one tablet was found in his stomach. Although levels of Co-Proxamol in the blood were higher than therapeutic levels, Allan conceded that the blood level of each of the drug's two components was less than a third of what would normally be found in a fatal overdose.

    We dispute that Dr Kelly could have died from haemorrhage or from Co-Proxamol ingestion or from both. The coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, has spoken recently of resuming the inquest into his death. If it re-opens, as in our opinion it should, a clear need exists to scrutinise more closely Dr Hunt's conclusions as to the cause of death.

    David Halpin
    Specialist in trauma and orthopaedic surgery

    C Stephen Frost
    Specialist in diagnostic radiology

    Searle Sennett
    Specialist in anaesthesiology [/quote:a639f77f6a]
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  50. avatar Chi-Lite
    the conspiracy theory I believe is that the people who run the world (the thousands and thousands of them) all believe that they're part of some conspiracy, but they're not really.

    but, since they rule the wolrd, they act conspiratorially, thus, in effect, creating a conspiracy out of the theory, rather than the other way round.

    If you catch me.

    I think that a lot of world leaders actually do believe that their part of a reptile shape-shifting uberclass of alien. why else would they dance round burning effigies of Moloch?

    But their not actually reptilian shape-shfting lizardoids. they just think they are.
  51. avatar etherlands
    [quote:48312ac295]I kinda see the comfort factor more than anything else in Conspiracy theory. It's probably easier and nicer to believe someone is controlling all...[/quote:48312ac295]

    You suppose wrong.

    While I had expected some character attacks on the person of the opening post, I am surprised by just how many there are in this thread. I agree with the core of what was said, and with the sentiment. To me, the post seems born out of frustration, with some slightly zealous nuances throughout. Understandable, though.

    Any time I talk to someone about the subject, I just recommend a video (such as [url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598&ei=v8YCSqCPJ8eK-Qbf0-WNCw&q=final+cut[/url]) or a credible scientific organisation as a starting point ([url]http://www.ae911truth.org/[/url], [url]http://stj911.org/[/url]).

    One post on a message board cannot begin to do justice to the subject and no amount of evidence will convince everyone.
  52. avatar tinpot anto
    The real irony is that the super rich power brokers persist in believing that their backroom machinations allow them the illusion of control over their petty meaningless little lives. They may be able to finance a war to boost arms sales or undermine a hostile government and replace it with a puppet, but in the long term their schemes are as futile and embarrassing as the guy who collected every single copy of the Beano since 1934.

    It's ego. People with money believe they should have power - those around them allow them to continue believing that. Fuck them, they'll be dead sooner than most.

    But has to be said, I am now much more interested in the music of Mojo Fury/Clown Parlour than I ever was before.


    8)
  53. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    [quote:59ec81ca0a="etherlands"]
    You suppose wrong.
    [/quote:59ec81ca0a]

    How the tap-dancing fuck can I suppose my own opinion wrong?
  54. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:c88300f174="DontPetABurningDog"]
    How the tap-dancing fuck can I suppose my own opinion wrong?[/quote:c88300f174]

    Because you've been micro-chipped!! like duh!
  55. avatar etherlands
    [quote:950026e378]How the tap-dancing fuck can I suppose my own opinion wrong?[/quote:950026e378]

    You supposed that people who share alternative views on the issue find it "easier and nicer to believe someone is controlling all". You tit.
  56. avatar The Ronster
    Yes, but Loose Change has been debunked so fucking much that posting it up now seems like an exercise in stupidity.

    But that's the beauty of believing in a conspiracy, isn't it? The only things you have to pay attention to are the 'facts' that support your delusion. Anyone who comes up with conclusive evidence to the contrary must be in on the conspiracy. MUSTN'T THEY!?

    I mean, did you even bother to read the Wikipedia article on Loose Change and the sources it quotes?

    [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(film)#Criticism]Here, I'll hold your hand.[/url]

    [url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561]Alternatively you could watch this version of Loose Change.[/url]

    So let's all raise a glass to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor]Occam's Razor[/url] and ignore the ramblings of people who really need to have their internet connection severely restricted.
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  57. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    "You supposed that people who share alternative views on the issue find it "easier and nicer to believe someone is controlling all". You tit."

    In a post that was clearly personal opinion, musings moreso than a hard statement of fact.

    I must say, you're working pure fucking wonders for the opinion of the standard of evidence gathering you consider adequate.
  58. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:ac8841f272="DontPetABurningDog"]"You supposed that people who share alternative views on the issue find it "easier and nicer to believe someone is controlling all". You tit."

    In a post that was clearly personal opinion, musings moreso than a hard statement of fact.[/quote:ac8841f272]

    To be fair, it was a [i:ac8841f272]supposition [/i:ac8841f272]...beginning as it did with [i:ac8841f272]"I suppose". [/i:ac8841f272]
    And your man was just [i:ac8841f272]asserting[/i:ac8841f272] that that [i:ac8841f272]supposition[/i:ac8841f272] was wrong.

    Of course, that [i:ac8841f272]assertion[/i:ac8841f272] was an [i:ac8841f272]opinion[/i:ac8841f272]. And in fact your [i:ac8841f272]supposition[/i:ac8841f272] was substantially just [i:ac8841f272]opinion[/i:ac8841f272] too, but you tried to give it added gravitas by saying "I suppose", thus creating the illusion of [i:ac8841f272]supposition[/i:ac8841f272] and disguising the reality of [i:ac8841f272]opinion[/i:ac8841f272].

    [quote:ac8841f272="DontPetABurningDog"]I must say, you're working pure fucking wonders for the opinion of the standard of evidence gathering you consider adequate.[/quote:ac8841f272]

    Plus that sentence doesn't make sense.

    [quote:ac8841f272]the opinion [i:ac8841f272]of[/i:ac8841f272] the standard of evidence gathering [/quote:ac8841f272]

    A standard of evidence gathering doesn't have an opinion.

    Did you mean "the opinion [i:ac8841f272]on[/i:ac8841f272]"?....i.e., other people's opinion on the standard of evidence gathering that you consider adequate?

    Eh?
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  59. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:af33526e3e="etherlands"][quote:af33526e3e]How the tap-dancing fuck can I suppose my own opinion wrong?[/quote:af33526e3e]

    You supposed that people who share alternative views on the issue find it "easier and nicer to believe someone is controlling all". You tit.[/quote:af33526e3e]
    In my experience human being's draw to conspiracy theories are driven largely by ego. Most people, especially those with an overactive ego - e.g. musicians, including me - want to believe they have the inside scoop on reality. They believe they understand the world better than everyone else, and no one else gets it (Probably explains a lot of the lengthy arguing on this site). This satisfies the drive from the ego to be superior or more knowlegeable or more in touch with the truth than everyone else, at least in our own minds. Some read, others develop arguments that satisfy their own minds and stubbornly stick to them, some join cults, some just display blind ignorance, some become jobsworths, and some turn to conspiracy theories. Or a mixture of of any or all of the above.
    Conspiracy theories are brilliant to tap into to satisfy this latent urge as they provide a quick and easy step up the ladder for the ego (as did I in my youth), and you can look down on the "sheep", while shaking your head and rolling your eyes. The boring truth is that most things are just what they seem.
  60. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Except, Marty, if you look, and do the ould reading thing just for a second, I never actually said I supposed anything. "Supposing" was entirely yer other chaps addition to the thing, and certainly nowhere in what I actually typed. That's the difficulty with going by a paraphrase/misquote, though.

    As for opinion on/opinion of, fair do's. I misspoke. Excuse my woeful ignorance.

    Edit: the apostrophe in "Fair do's". I always understood the term to be a contraction of "Fair doings". The apostrophe is there to indicate said contraction, not as a possessive, or indeed the dread greengrocers type.
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  61. avatar Chi-Lite
    Absolutely correct, sir. game set and match to you! :-D

    Sure this ould reading pages and pages of nonsense malarkey is a waste of your time and mine.

    although there's no need for an apostrophe in "fair dos". Unless you're claiming something belonging to Fair Do. that could possibly be Fear Dubh, possibly the Black Man tech, in which case you were maybe, hypothetically, saying "It is in the Fair Do's (Fear Dubh's) library"
  62. avatar fopp
    I just live in self-sufficient-solitude (so to speak) in a forest and keep a copy of Walden handy. Much easier that way.
  63. avatar ryanego
    [quote:c275ebe099]But has to be said, I am now much more interested in the music of Mojo Fury/Clown Parlour than I ever was before.

    [/quote:c275ebe099]

    I'm pretty sure the poster isn't in Clown Parlour, but correct me if I'm wrong :)
  64. avatar etherlands
    Yes, Chi/'Dog, you are right. I should have said "asserted" instead of "supposed".

    As for evidence-gathering, I have neither the time nor the will to provide every last piece of evidence that has come to light over the last 7.5 years. And no, I don't believe every single piece of information propagated, as fact. I'll stick with what's easily provable, without flying of at a tangent with unfounded ramblings of otherworldliness and debunkable drivel.

    If you find logical, that 3 towers fell at virtually free fall speed as a result of two plane strikes alone, with tonnes of molten metal having been discovered underneath all three well, then, therein lies the problem.

    Dee, so it's all about ego? Nothing to do with hard, scientifically proven evidence and basic laws of physics?

    Ron, stop putting words in my mouth. That's an age-old debating tactic called a straw-man argument and it's really fucking tired. Watch the final cut of loose change and then you can report back with what has been debunked. Better still, you could watch the recent presentation by Richard Gage, an architect who set up Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth. People like him have a lot to lose by voicing their opinions on the 9/11 issue, and they do it for good reason. [url]http://911blogger.com/node/20010[/url]
  65. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:46ec4a227f]Welcome to the Unfastened Coins website. This site is dedicated to exposing the truth about the government's involvement in the sinking of the Titanic.[/quote:46ec4a227f]

    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07
  66. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:1068065a98="etherlands"]Ron, stop putting words in my mouth. That's an age-old debating tactic called a straw-man argument and it's really fucking tired. Watch the final cut of loose change and then you can report back with what has been debunked. [/quote:1068065a98]

    Erm, where did I put words in your mouth, misquote you or claim you said anything you didn't? See, I [i:1068065a98]know[/i:1068065a98] what a Strawman is.

    As for how fast buildings fall? Well, I'd say they fall/accelerate about the same as everything else on the planet. Gravity has a funny way of being consistent like that.
  67. avatar Deestroyer
    I've seen loose change, some of it seems very interesting , but you look for a conspiracy you can find it anywhere.

    [quote:41111380fa]
    HOW CONVENIENT!!!
    Even though some of the world's richest and most famous passengers were on the ship, not a single video was made of the Titanic sinking.
    HOW CONVENIENT!!!
    Abraham Lincoln dies the exact same day the Titanic sinks, except 47 years prior! The Titanic had the capacity to carry 3,547 passengers aboard! They both have 47!!!!
    COINCIDENCE???
    When will you sheeple realize that you're being lied to? How many amateur documentaries must be made using stock footage before you believe that we're important? [/quote:41111380fa]
    All this stuff is a great comparison to the sort of logic Loose Change was building some of its arguements on. But even if all this amateur research turns out to be exactly true, so what? So George Bush decided to orchastrate the Iraq war by creating his own terrorist attack instead of leyting someone else doing it. I don't see the life changing revelation here. The current situation would be the same, and no one would be better or worse off. Except Bush should go to jail, but he should go to jail anyway for war crimes, what's the fucking difference?

    And please note the "how many amateur documentaries must be made using stock footage before you believe that we're important?" of this particular conspiracy theorist. Remember me talking about ego... coincidence?
  68. avatar nonlogic liam
    I think this topic is a conspiracy designed by Roger to get more people on Fastfude (let's face it there has been a marked fall off in comments in the last month). J'accuse! Other than that, comment no. 1 made me weep blood, what a pile of rubbish (evidently someone took one too many sick days in secondary school/has bought a bad batch... MAN..)...
  69. avatar etherlands
    [quote:edbabf0057]But that's the beauty of believing in a conspiracy, isn't it? The only things you have to pay attention to are the 'facts' that support your delusion. Anyone who comes up with conclusive evidence to the contrary must be in on the conspiracy. MUSTN'T THEY!?[/quote:edbabf0057]
    Ron, you implied that I hold those views. But then, I shouldn't need to point that out as you already [i:edbabf0057]know[/i:edbabf0057] what a strawman is.
    [quote:edbabf0057]As for how fast buildings fall? Well, I'd say they fall/accelerate about the same as everything else on the planet. Gravity has a funny way of being consistent like that. [/quote:edbabf0057]

    Another perfect example of wilful ignorance, Ron. So, by your standards a floor can fall onto the floor below and so on the whole way to the ground without any resistance, by any means other than demolition?

    A wise man once said: "Never try to teach physics to a Chimp. For you'll only waste your time and you'll annoy the Chimp".
  70. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:ea601d9db9="etherlands"] So, by your standards a floor can fall onto the floor below and so on the whole way to the ground without any resistance, by any means other than demolition[/quote:ea601d9db9]

    By a very large weight being dropped on it from above?
  71. avatar Chi-Lite
    that would be demolition though, surely?

    the real important question is, when does demolition become [i:1eae3cbdb9]just falling down[/i:1eae3cbdb9]?
  72. avatar tinpot anto
    Until Prince Phillip pays for his part in the assassination of the true Queen of All Our Hearts, the People's Princess, Diana then we will always struggle to believe the lies of the ruling classes.

    *sheds a lonely tear for the loss of her bravery and beauty* :cry:

    Read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco and Hegemony and Survival by Noam Chomsky

    Watch Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and The Revolution Will Be Televised.

    There is a lot more terrifying stuff done in the cold light of day, right under your fucking nose - Iraq, Venezuala, Afganistan, Palestine, Syria, Zimbabwe and so on.

    It's not a series of cunningly disguised and manipulated events driven by the unseen hand of a vast conspiracy. It's big giant blatant sledgehammer wielding fuckwits and newpapers who spin the indefensible as normal. If you want to know what's going on and why, read the papers watch the news and read between the lines. It's dead obvious.
  73. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:64317696e3="Chi-Lite"]that would be demolition though, surely?[/quote:64317696e3]

    Oh, you're right...damn, its all true. it was a conspiracy! how have I been so blind?
  74. avatar Deestroyer
    There may be irregularities with how the building fell, but the conclusions are quite a stretch, i.e.:'This building fell unconventionally, there must be a secret alliance at the helm of the world controlling us all like puppets and shit.'
    'Tiny traces of unexpected material was found in the rubble - must've been a huge bomb then.'

    I don't wanna get pulled into the technicalities of the theory but at the end of the day I can't get past this question. Why would anyone spend the time to organise a plane to fly into a building to pretend to destroy it, and then use a bomb to really destroy it? Why not use the bomb you are using anyway and then claim it was terrorists who planted the bomb? The outcome is the same, who would have benefited from spending probably years of planning and risking conspiring with hundreds of potential informants to arrange such a huge operation and subsequent cover-up, all for no apparent reason.

    What's more logical? A bunch of well organised fundamentalists flew planes into the buildings in revenge. All the seemingly unusual evidence is a mixture of coincidence, the corrupt relations between the Bush's and Bin Ladens, fuck-awful foreign policy execution and formulation, and some devious Neo Con CIA and MoD jobsworth twats trying to execute said policy with all the subtlety of 80s boxing legend, Butterbean.

    Above all else however, I can't really see a flaw with the statement: "they fall/accelerate about the same as everything else on the planet." - If that wasn't the case during the September attacks, then you've got a proper conspiracy theory on your hands...

    I'm done, tomorrow is Friday, and I'm gonna be all hearts and flowers. 8)
  75. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:2387f5885d="A Blethering Eejit"]Ron, you implied that I hold those views. But then, I shouldn't need to point that out as you already [i:2387f5885d]know[/i:2387f5885d] what a strawman is.[/quote:2387f5885d]

    Actually you inferred that. What I was [i:2387f5885d]implying[/i:2387f5885d] was that all conspiracy theorists have the same mind-set, i.e. that they are the only ones who've seen the light, and that anyone pointing out hard evidence to the contrary is a conspirator.

    Its one of those situations where you realise that no matter what you say to someone who believes all this nonsense, the only responses you're likely to get are:

    "Ahhhh, but they would say that, wouldn't they!"

    "We would have evidence, but the government destroyed it all!"

    "Believe what you want, it's not my fault you're too blind to see the truth!"


    The more I read the first post in this thread, the more and more likely it seems that its the product of watching the video while very, very stoned and then getting scared out of ones wits.

    Drugs, people. See what they do?
  76. avatar etherlands
    [quote:bde1ce5aa4]Actually you inferred that. What I was implying was that all conspiracy theorists have the same mind-set, i.e. that they are the only ones who've seen the light, and that anyone pointing out hard evidence to the contrary is a conspirator.[/quote:bde1ce5aa4]

    Point to some "hard evidence to the contrary" then you little ballbag, instead of trying (and failing) to psychoanalyse. I tell you that molten steel was found underneath the rubble (by NASA) and you tell me that I must be on drugs to think such a thing. What a clever deduction.

    I could tell you that your thought processes are fuelled by your makeup-wearing antics. It wouldn't necessarily make it true.

    I'm done here. It's been a pleasure.
  77. avatar stevie j
    Have you ever noticed that talking to conspiracy theorists is like talking to born again christians
  78. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    "Everyone is scared- it's the human condition, that's why I put on this tough man facade"
  79. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:45bd480db8="stevie j"]Have you ever noticed that talking to conspiracy theorists is like talking to born again christians[/quote:45bd480db8]

    Sadly, yes.
  80. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ha, it's only taken 6 pages to bring the Christians into this. again.

    Pricks. :lol:
  81. avatar feline1
    [quote:3cdf0915e9="robot_rock"]I suppose you'll be the first to put your hand up for being microchipped? Then eventually when everything is paid for by electronic means and you get rejected when trying to buy something, pay rent,etc. will you believe [/quote:3cdf0915e9]


    It'll be fantastic! Never forget your wallet again!
    Just walk up to shelves and take things, and the computer will let you do it! No more queues! No more check-outs!
    Plus you'll be able to download old episodes of Dennis Potter plays onto your brain-chip! :lol:
  82. avatar feline1
    [quote:67619835e0="tinpot anto"]

    Read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco and Hegemony and Survival by Noam Chomsky

    Watch Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and The Revolution Will Be Televised.
    [/quote:67619835e0]

    Chomsky was no Foucault, pendulum or otherwise, as this marvellous Dutch TV show shows
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WveI_vgmPz8[/url][/code]
  83. avatar Deestroyer
    What about when you go to buy a chip from the chip shop, and they say, "How you going to pay for this, our kid?" so you say, put it on my chip.
    "You want your chip on chip?"
    "Aye, stick it on chip."
    Then they'll give you a chip - on chip, two chips! But you only wanted one chip, on your chip. It's the sort of confusion that'll start wars, and the NWO will win again!
  84. avatar isis
    I love the way people talk about the immentant New World Order and call for everyone to take action against the scare mongering when all they're doing themselves is sitting in front of a screen doing a wee bit of scare mongering for themselves. Go the revolution you pip! Stop wasting my time and go get more stoned. (lay off the mushrooms though, their not doing you any good) either that or come up with a constuctive solution.

    Its good to vent when you're hungover on a Friday. :smt071 (Obama taking on the world mway ha ha)
  85. avatar tinpot anto
    I don't really see why you're all being so hard on the robot guy anyway. The real conspiracy is the never ending supply of wankers talking shite, conspiring with each other that their opinions are meaningful and that apathy and irony are the only values worth promoting.

    Teh internest in other words. :lol:

    At least the guy has something interesting to say.
  86. avatar feline1
    well I think the New World Order is a great idea.
    Only with a bit of organisation and rigour can mankind escape his Malthusian demise.
    It reminds me of a splendid BBC television series called "Blakes 7", all about a glamourous, determined and decisive supreme commander called Servalan who strove to protect humankind from the deranged tinkerings of a convicted paedophile called Roj Blake and his slovenly gang of misfits.
  87. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:cee82e4c8d="Deestroyer"]What about when you go to buy a chip from the chip shop, and they say, "How you going to pay for this, our kid?" so you say, put it on my chip.
    "You want your chip on chip?"
    "Aye, stick it on chip."
    Then they'll give you a chip - on chip, two chips! But you only wanted one chip, on your chip. It's the sort of confusion that'll start wars, and the NWO will win again![/quote:cee82e4c8d]
    Salt & vinegar EVERYWHERE.
  88. avatar Bileofwood
    [quote:e1ad6b815a="robot_rock"]Go watch 1984 (George Orwell) and you'll realise if you have any sense that this is coming true.[/quote:e1ad6b815a]


    Classic line!
  89. avatar feline1
    "Nineteen Eightyfour" is no "Coming Up for Air", which in turn is no "A Clergyman's Daughter"


    Anyway, John Hurt *should* have been punished for shagging Joanna Hamilton. He was a married man, and just because her b00bs looked kinda nice in those overalls is no excuse! How did he think he wife would feel?? But oh no, the phallocentric supremacy of the antihero must reign supreme, etc etc.
    Thank goodness Richard Burton was around to knock some sense into the selfish fool. His rubbish headlines about chocolate rations were quite exercable anyways.
  90. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    NWO went downhill when X-Pac joined. Then to top it all off, Triple H left and married Stephanie McMahon, although she didn't know about it, he drugged her and took her to vegas were he used deception and his voice throwing abilities to fool the minister.
  91. avatar fopp
    You are so very wrong. It's not wrestling, it's those fellas from Compton. You be all lettin' down Ice Cube and the gang.
  92. avatar PhatBob
    [quote:79ac594c88="tinpot anto"]They may be able to finance a war to boost arms sales or undermine a hostile government and replace it with a puppet, but in the long term their schemes are as futile and embarrassing as the guy who collected every single copy of the Beano since 1934.
    [/quote:79ac594c88]

    You're one of the misinformers!!! The Beano was first publushed in 1938!!!

    ...and its not embarassing to have them all... :oops:
  93. avatar Deestroyer
    The Beano is a propaganda rag if ever I saw one. Desperate Dan was analogous of the working classes, overindulgent in their primitive vices, while Dennis the Menace is obviously the risk taking and mischievous bourgeois, and softy was the beleaguered civil service. The story is of the strained dynamic between the two as Gnasher (The police - Obviously) keeps ruining the attempts of the elite to undertake their evil deeds whilst keeping a benevolent reputation. It's so obvious, open your eyes!

    Edit: Over use of the word dynamic...
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  94. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    The Dandy was just the Beano for rural types.
  95. avatar BOOZEHOUND
    [quote:fc99d8d8ae="Mickeycolensoparade"]NWO went downhill when X-Pac joined. Then to top it all off, Triple H left and married Stephanie McMahon, although she didn't know about it, he drugged her and took her to vegas were he used deception and his voice throwing abilities to fool the minister.[/quote:fc99d8d8ae]

    this is true! except that was D-Generation X.
    I know what you're up to though...trying to play games with my mind... begone vile usurper!
    oh by the way...you nerds have to much time on your hands!
    get a job fer fucks sake!
  96. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Fuck jobs! Employment is just another way to keep the masses enslaved and brainwashed.
  97. avatar BOOZEHOUND
    ahh, this is true of course.
    erm....get a hobby? :?
  98. avatar T Entertainment
    "Fuck jobs! Employment is just another way to keep the masses enslaved and brainwashed."

    Are you honestly suggesting that anyone who works for a living is enslaved and brainwashed, or undergoing a process of enslavement and brainwashing?
    For that is even madder than any conspiracy theory spoke of on this thread.
  99. avatar The Ronster
    Going by the spirit of his previous posts on this thread I'm pretty sure he was joking there Chris. I hope.
  100. avatar T Entertainment
    Ah, right. Yeah? :D
  101. avatar Dolbro Dan
    conspiracies always involve people 'conspiring' traditionally in SECRET. Then the secrets start to leak and they conveniently tag the word 'theory' on the end. so everything's wrapped up nicely. The conspirators keep on doing what they're doing while the sheeple mock a few paranoid wackos... A perfect system.

    So anyways this thread is as good a place as any to plug my own 'paranoid' protest song...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJjQENtGnSw

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    lots of love
    Deluded Dan
  102. avatar The Ronster
    I've no idea if Dan is serious or not, but that song of his he put up is class.

    Nicely done sir!
  103. avatar Tomsthumb
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY7aXPH0F-o

    BTW, I'm not suicidal either.

    Just keeping things musical.
    And it wasn't an accident.
  104. avatar Tomsthumb
    Delated message
  105. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:ae100fd2af="The Ronster"]I've no idea if Dan is serious or not, but that song of his he put up is class.

    Nicely done sir![/quote:ae100fd2af]
    I concur, it's fantastic.
  106. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:f37cfb6fff="The Ronster"]Going by the spirit of his previous posts on this thread I'm pretty sure he was joking there Chris. I hope.[/quote:f37cfb6fff]

    Yep, I was indeed.

    The sad reality is that I wish I had a job at the moment. Being a poor student is no fun.
  107. avatar T Entertainment
    I liked D Dan's song, and the fact that the youtube link let me stumble on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHkxYDSwzg&NR=1
  108. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    I'm finding the latest nascent scandal for Obama absolutely fecking hilarious. Apparently, he's a horrible, Unamerican elitist because he ordered Dijon mustard in a restaurant.
  109. avatar Deestroyer
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/14/bilderberg-charlie-skelton-dispatch

    The Bilderberg annual meeting is this week... coincidence?

    Secretive, plotting tyrants; limp, impotent, self important twats; or somewhere in between?