OK, I'm thinking of upgrading an older tower pc for recording purposes. It doesn't need to be super silent, but fast enough to handle recording without glitches.
Has anyone else who isn't a computer geek (no offence intended) done this with any success?
I've seen sites that sell systems specifically for music recording for aroung £500 but I was wondering if its worth while recycling an older pc case etc.
What sort of spec is the PC? How many tracks will you be recording at once? Do you need to use many software instruments..?
As long as you're sensible and don't try to do too much (and don't bother with Vista), it'll probably work ok (assuming it's from this millenium).
It is from this millenium but I would assume I'll need to upgrade the mother board CPU and RAM.
One track at a time is plenty for me. Guitar, bass, drum machine or drum loops, vocals and maybe keyboard.
Just for me messing around.
Has anyone done these upgrades themselves?
As the man has said, don't bother with vista, tis a waste of time.
As far as upgrading goes, it's simple to be honest but if you needed any help it'd be no bother to help you out like.
If you post the specs up here we would be able to tell you what RAM you need, or if a processor upgrade off eBay is plausible, to save you having to buy a new moboard as well.
just turn it on and go to device manager and we'll see what we can do!
a digital 8-track portastudio would probably be half that price
ive got a korg d1200 thats a 12 track for £180-£190
TBH you don't really need that much.
I'll show you what I do.
For drums I use either one of these:
Plugged directly into this:
which goes directly into the PC. This wee box is key to the whole thing. It takes 1/4" and XLR inputs and as basically an interface between your PC and the outside world. Also doubles up as a sound card. EVERYTHING music wise goes via this device.
www.pcdrummer.com - this is a lot cheaper (like 2% of price of above) and is a pretty powerful drum tracks creation software package. You can download a free demo from their site.
And then use the Edirol (above) to "record what you hear" directly into Cubase (However I receommend http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ as it's free and does almost the same stuff).
OK that is the drums.
For guitars and bass I go via this:
which plugs directly into the UA-25.
That is very pricey though you could also use something like this:
which costs about £300 less but has much the same effect, i.e. you can plug it straight into a PA or mixer and get the sound it was always intended to make. This cuts out the need for microphones for intruments whic, although most natural, is much harder to pull of at home to the same level of cuccess you'll have with this stuff.
I now tend to use my GNX4 (the uppermost pedal) with my PC as my amplifer nowadays - and using this equipment I can record exactly what I am hearing when I play with no loss of quality (assuming I have the quality settings on the PC set high enough).
You can also plug an electric keyboard, violin, anything into the UA-25. The UA-25 also has phantom power for using condensor mics. I use this:
for vocals, it's pretty good.
I recorded some demos with my band using the method above (I used the Roland drums for these rather than the PC drummer). You can see the level of quality I got here:
Obviously it's not studio quality, but it's not bad for a front room recording.
I had all of this plugged into an old laptop - it had 1 GB of ram and was running XP. It handled it all without a hitch. A laptop is better if you use a microphone due to fan noise, but if you have a noisegate (the GNX4 does so I run the mic through that) you can cut almost all of that out.
So, in my experience, if you have the right kit in the first place you don't need shit hot hardware to have success.
If you want to do all of your effects on the PC rather than before it gets to the PC however, you might need a bit more. The method I describe above means that the effects are recorded from the equipment used rather than on the PC. However you can still adjust EQ, reverb etc should you wish.
Happy to clarify any of the above.
[quote:6a41df6005="Bileofwood"](However I receommend http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ as it's free and does almost the same stuff).[/quote:6a41df6005]
Don't go anywhere near Audacity, its a pile of shit.
http://reaper.fm is an real DAW that is far better, rather than the glorified sample editor that is Audacity.
It is shareware but doesn't force you to pay, though if you want to, its only 50$ for non-commercial.
Reaper looks good. However calling Audacity shit is toally undeserved! Nevertheless this is the internet and therefore we can expect such effusions!
Audacity is ideal for the method of recording that I have described. It is also very very simple and can be picked up by anyone immediately.
However I'm going to check out this Reaper tool - maybe it can replace my 7 year old version of Cubase SX!
I call audacity shit because its not very often I use a piece of software that sucks the creativity right out of me. It is a terrible piece of software.
[quote:1cbb6d0964="my-angel-rocks"]I call audacity shit because its not very often I use a piece of software that sucks the creativity right out of me. It is a terrible piece of software.[/quote:1cbb6d0964]
I ahve to agree, its a pile of balls.
One windows I used cool edit pro (which i think was free and is still online somewhere) - they were bought by adobe and made into adobe audition which is also great.
On mac, i actually find garageband really confusing compared to logic which i find insanely straight forward and easy to work with.
hey man, get a guitar port for all your guitar needs, its the best there is for recording!
Yeah, I've got a line6 ux1 and have used it to jam a bit but I always seem to have bother with sound glitchs etc.
I've read up loads online on dofferent forums but never seem to get the setup right. Also do you guys normally use drum loops or an external drum machine, which would be easier to use