1. avatar jonnyweston
    Hey Guys,

    I have just returned back to Northern Ireland after having studied at Hillsong Bible College for a year and a bit, and having been playing for the church also.

    Coming back to Belfast has been weird, cause anyone who knows hillsong praise and worship.... well its just in a different league musically. I never have been so challenged or forced to learn so much in such a short time. I learnt a lot whilst playing for them.

    Altogether I have been playing for about 9 years I think now, and play to about grade 4 standard.

    OK SO HERES THE DEAL!
    I am looking to either start a christian rock band, influenced by the likes of David crowder, Third day, kutless, Hillsong United (obligatory), Toby Mac, Casting crowns and other similar bands.

    Primarily I'd be looking to be out playing at the local christian hangouts, coffee bars, youth nights / rallies etc.

    I have access sometimes to my church rooms, where we can practice, and in the summer, I am having built a Log cabin in my back yard, which will be sound proofed to a certain degree, but already I have enough sound gear to allow a full in ear practice facility, with individual monitoring, (Mackie SR32 VLZ Pro, Yamaha 01x, Behringer 4 channel Stereo headphone amp, multicore etc).

    On top of this I own a few mac G5 machines, a macbook and a macbook pro for the road, which are setup with Logic Studio for mac based recording.
    Synth wise theres some stuff about there too. We have a Yamaha Cs1x and another master keyboard, along with reason and some other bits an bobs of software.

    ideally I like for individual interested artists to contact me with a bit about themselves, their influences, skill level and availablity. Hopefully I'd be interested in meeting up in late may, early june time for a meeting of interested musicians. (i'd do it sooner, but I am away in holland then japan for training with my new job)

    Well I hope this has provided you all with enough information, and I hope to maybe hear from a few people soon.

    Thanks and God Bless

    Jonny
  2. avatar The Ronster
    Maybe there's something to this Christianity lark.

    They always seem to be minted.
  3. avatar tinpot anto
    Why Ron, there's always time to repent and make a few bob in the process!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbtkhB3cFGs
  4. avatar jonnyweston
    I love a bit of humour... brightens my day no end!!! :-P
    I personally prefer to call it blessed... but only to do his work. For no other reason!

    Although not to be disillusioned not every christian is blessed with finance or tools for their trade. I for example suffer two herniated discs in my back which cause me much pain daily and need removed in an operation.

    If I had the option.. I rather have my health back than a great job, but still to be able to continue showing Gods love in many ways, just in different ways that my life might afford. ONE thing though. I will never try and shove God down your throat, just show you ways that he loves you!

    If you're interested check out www.hillsong.com to show you where I have just come from being a drummer. I am blessed indeed in many ways.
    (and there was me this morning saying less is more)

    JW

    PS that wee video was brilliant! Very well made! I actually just posted it on my facebook! I know personally most of the artists in this video, and think it'd be funny for them to see it too!
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  5. avatar jonnyweston
    This is the sort of stuff I would love to be able to write as a christian artist.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGx-xU6TnU8[/url]
    Great song about Albertine!

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyzuMqNwJoQ[/url]
    Actually Natasha is a friend of mine from a church in london that I go to, when she's there that is!

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh-JeZPmydE[/url]
    Kutless

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA7qJv2zfgo[/url]
    Jeremy Camp (actually i am doing photography at his upcoming gig in ballymena in about 6 weeks)

    Just for those who have a genuine interest just for you to get an idea of lighter stuff that i'm into!

    Thanks guys

    JW
  6. avatar tinpot anto
    Testify there..... or preferably elsewhere.
  7. avatar jonnyweston
    Whatever.
  8. avatar fatboy
    Live and let live...long as you're rockin who cares? 8)

    Good luck
  9. avatar rentaghost
    Jonny you might be better contacting a few churches directly who specialise in this type of music. I'd suggest getting in contact with the guys up at CFC on the Holywood Road or maybe City Church.
    PM me if youre interested and I'll give you a few contact details.
  10. avatar jonnyweston
    I actually know a fair few of the guys up at CFC, and the same with most of the other evangelical or charismatic style churches in belfast, having been out with a previous youth group touring Ireland.

    My idea though is to include christian musicians who are not already involved in other christian music ministries, therefore allowing them a bit more freedom and time to work with. in my last band I had a couple of the best christian musicians that were around northern ireland, but the main problem was that they all were involved in loads of other stuff, which is great too... but i just think there's a lot of musicians out there who are not being given the chances they deserve.

    Already I have had a bass player (2 in fact), 2 guitarists, and a keys player contact me about joining up, which is proving to be cool.

    Its good to know though that there are still christian musicians out there not afraid to reply to an ad, in a place that might not seem to reap harvests of many christians and in some ways possibly even hostile or against christians and our music.

    Thanks for all your comments, support and interest
    God Bless

    Jonny
  11. avatar anty2
    Anyone who wants a bit of £££ grab your bibles and join the crusade.

    Only joking, or am I? One question, what bands do you listen to outside of the Hillsong circle? Would you listen to bands that lived drugged up lifestyles?
  12. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:8310ae804f="jonnyweston"]in a place that might not seem to reap harvests of many christians and in some ways possibly even hostile or against christians and our music.[/quote:8310ae804f]

    You are joking right?

    Northern Ireland is full of religious extremists, religious nutters and generally right wing Christians (quite nicely summarised by our First Minister Peter Robinson).
  13. avatar my-angel-rocks
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154133
  14. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:92fec9d35c="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Northern Ireland is full of religious extremists, religious nutters and generally right wing Christians (quite nicely summarised by our First Minister Peter Robinson).[/quote:92fec9d35c]

    I think he meant Fastfude...
    [edit: meh, lets play nice]
  15. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:f57cf16b1a="my-angel-rocks"][quote:f57cf16b1a="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Northern Ireland is full of religious extremists, religious nutters and generally right wing Christians (quite nicely summarised by our First Minister Peter Robinson).[/quote:f57cf16b1a]

    I think he meant Fastfude...
    [edit: meh, lets play nice][/quote:f57cf16b1a]

    In that case it's all good.
  16. avatar jonnyweston
    Religious = not christianity!
    religious is religious!

    religious nutters - avoid them, run cause they'll probably try and set fire to you!
    right wing christians? probably of some sort of weird denomination then! Sure lets just shave their heads and make them stitch big letter "A's" onto their clothes whilst we're at it!

    [b:594ae98080]what bands do I listen to? Huh???[/b:594ae98080]
    Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, U2, The who, Foo Fighters, pearl jam, Kings of leon, Audioslave, Janis Joplin, Guns and Roses, Metalica, Korn, Sting, System of a Down, Limp Bizkit, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Bilndside, Pink Floyd, velvet revolver, slashes snakepit, bodycount, linkin park, dust junkies, the police, paramore, these are I think just the ones i have listened to today......
    Although that said why does it matter what music I listen to? I am not sure how that is relevant to me advertising for musicians, or come to think of it in any way relevant to anybody else at all???

    Join crusades..... heck yes.... if you can find one! Get money for being involved in it?? Would I be working for a living if there was money to be made being a christian at a crusade?? HA HA.... very funny guys but seriously catch a grip of reality.

    See to be honest I just think you are all a right bunch of complete tits for engaging in things that you quite obviously really know very little of the whole picture about! Musicians are generally supposed to be smart... not ignorant!

    Would I profess to be an elite guitarist just because I knew three chords? Hardly!
    Or would I try and teach you about your instrument if you were a violinist and I a drummer? Definitely not... cause that would just be a public display of my ignorance and people might call me a tit.... so therefore I do not comment on that which does not concern me or have a positive impact on someone elses day!

    My rule. Avoid anything that makes me look like a complete tit!

    DID YOU KNOW that Northern Ireland has been voted continuously the most racist country in the world for a number of years now? Google it till you see.
    Our country looks stupid compared to every other country in the world! What causes this? Ignorance. From politicians to musicians its the same disease throughout it seems, and its only made clearer by your continued dumbness!

    That plus the simple fact that anyone who could actually read would immediately recognize that this post was not a call for a debate or public expression of their opinions, but simply a call to other christian musicians to take part in a musical experience! So why waste time on it if its of no interest to you, [b:594ae98080][i:594ae98080]unless you go out and burn crosses on peoples lawns and send out the boys with pitch forks for a living in which case I'd just give you my number and you're welcome to call around anytime you please!
    [/i:594ae98080][/b:594ae98080]

    Like another "wiser" member and I discussed earlier.... neither of us were interested in starting debate, it does not benefit anyone! Just makes you look stupid!

    There are organisations if you like however that do specialize in your sort of interests and opinions?
    like this one
    [b:594ae98080][url]http://www.last.fm/group/The+Antichristian+Phenomenon[/url][/b:594ae98080]
    Feel free to join, I am sure they are waiting for you!

    I have had a lot of fun today with all this, and it makes me chuckle to think how far behind the rest of the world we all are as a nation. You only notice this once you've lived in another modern civilized and liberal country for a long and come back. Just makes you want to work even harder to defeat the worlds stereotype of your country.... as well as the stereotype of your faith.

    God Bless,

    Jonny Weston
  17. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:a0d82930bd="jonnyweston"]
    [b:a0d82930bd]what bands do I listen to? Huh???[/b:a0d82930bd]
    Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, U2, The who, Foo Fighters, pearl jam, Kings of leon, Audioslave, Janis Joplin, Guns and Roses, Metalica, Korn, Sting, System of a Down, Limp Bizkit, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Bilndside, Pink Floyd, velvet revolver, slashes snakepit, bodycount, linkin park, dust junkies, the police, paramore, these are I think just the ones i have listened to today......
    [b:a0d82930bd]Although that said why does it matter what music I listen to? I am not sure how that is relevant to me advertising for musicians, or come to think of it in any way relevant to anybody else at all???[/b:a0d82930bd]
    [/quote:a0d82930bd]

    Call me old fashioned, but surely an example of what music you listen to is one the most important bits of information to give out when looking for musicians?
  18. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Ignrant because we disagree with what you say or believe? Come on, don't insult our intelligence.

    And I am sorry, but it's a public forum on the internet. People will debate about something even if you do not want to. If you don't like it, get off the internet.
  19. avatar anty2
    [quote:ca8d4155de="jonnyweston"]
    [b:ca8d4155de]what bands do I listen to? Huh???[/b:ca8d4155de]
    Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, U2, The who, Foo Fighters, pearl jam, Kings of leon, Audioslave, Janis Joplin, Guns and Roses, Metalica, Korn, Sting, System of a Down, Limp Bizkit, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Bilndside, Pink Floyd, velvet revolver, slashes snakepit, bodycount, linkin park, dust junkies, the police, paramore, these are I think just the ones i have listened to today......
    Although that said why does it matter what music I listen to? I am not sure how that is relevant to me advertising for musicians, or come to think of it in any way relevant to anybody else at all???

    Join crusades..... heck yes.... if you can find one! Get money for being involved in it?? Would I be working for a living if there was money to be made being a christian at a crusade?? HA HA.... very funny guys but seriously catch a grip of reality.

    See to be honest I just think you are all a right bunch of complete tits for engaging in things that you quite obviously really know very little of the whole picture about! Musicians are generally supposed to be smart... not ignorant!

    Would I profess to be an elite guitarist just because I knew three chords? Hardly!
    Or would I try and teach you about your instrument if you were a violinist and I a drummer? Definitely not... cause that would just be a public display of my ignorance and people might call me a tit.... so therefore I do not comment on that which does not concern me or have a positive impact on someone elses day!

    My rule. Avoid anything that makes me look like a complete tit!

    DID YOU KNOW that Northern Ireland has been voted continuously the most racist country in the world for a number of years now? Google it till you see.
    Our country looks stupid compared to every other country in the world! What causes this? Ignorance. From politicians to musicians its the same disease throughout it seems, and its only made clearer by your continued dumbness!

    That plus the simple fact that anyone who could actually read would immediately recognize that this post was not a call for a debate or public expression of their opinions, but simply a call to other christian musicians to take part in a musical experience! So why waste time on it if its of no interest to you, [b:ca8d4155de][i:ca8d4155de]unless you go out and burn crosses on peoples lawns and send out the boys with pitch forks for a living in which case I'd just give you my number and you're welcome to call around anytime you please!
    [/i:ca8d4155de][/b:ca8d4155de]

    Like another "wiser" member and I discussed earlier.... neither of us were interested in starting debate, it does not benefit anyone! Just makes you look stupid!

    There are organisations if you like however that do specialize in your sort of interests and opinions?
    like this one
    [b:ca8d4155de][url]http://www.last.fm/group/The+Antichristian+Phenomenon[/url][/b:ca8d4155de]
    Feel free to join, I am sure they are waiting for you!

    I have had a lot of fun today with all this, and it makes me chuckle to think how far behind the rest of the world we all are as a nation. You only notice this once you've lived in another modern civilized and liberal country for a long and come back. Just makes you want to work even harder to defeat the worlds stereotype of your country.... as well as the stereotype of your faith.

    God Bless,

    Jonny Weston[/quote:ca8d4155de]

    You look like a tit from that post alone.

    Theres alot I could pick apart but I cant really be arsed. Good luck for destroying your soul with your rock band, devil man :x
  20. avatar papaul
    Seriously, none of you have anything new or interesting to say, just shut up and let the fella search for a band.
  21. avatar anty2
    we dont but not many people do

    somebody looking for a band in the recruitment forum isnt exactly interesting either.

    i'll stop posting in here though as it will probably turn into some massive bitch fest 8)
  22. avatar jonnyweston
    Hey guys,

    I just think I recognized some of you from the far side of the playground there.... you know... the school bullies?

    Grow up, and get over yourselves, if you were so great yourselves then you'd be successful musicians in the charts, not on here wasting time.

    Enough on this post please unless as PaPaul respectably pointed out.. "Seriously, none of you have anything new or interesting to say, just shut up and let the fella search for a band."

    Thankyou and God Bless

    Jonny Weston
  23. avatar T Entertainment
    Agreed. Let the guy look for band members, ffs. That's what this forum exists for. Would any single one of you weigh in like this if he was looking to form a band or group geared towards a different religion?

    As for Christian bands being 'minted', in my experience it's no more middle class or 'richer' a demographic than the Belfast hardcore community.
  24. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    [quote:db5bb86c7f]Would any single one of you weigh in like this if he was looking to form a band or group geared towards a different religion? [/quote:db5bb86c7f]

    Ah yes. If I say I would, then I'm completely intolerant, If I say I wouldn't, I'm a bigot. Why not just ask when people stopped beating their wife?
  25. avatar T Entertainment
    Arlight why not just let the guy get on with looking for band members then and ignore his beliefs if they offend you so? He's not standing with a megaphone at your breakfast table.
  26. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    [quote:e844aa7e38]why not just let the guy get on with looking for band members then and ignore his beliefs[/quote:e844aa7e38]

    Do what he's seemingly unwilling or incapable of doing himself, then?
  27. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:5b1fa3fddb="jonnyweston"]Musicians are generally supposed to be smart... not ignorant![/quote:5b1fa3fddb]

    I think you're mixing musicians up with physicists. Good luck though.
  28. avatar Motor Sounds Records
    [quote:be77d32d5a]Musicians are generally supposed to be smart... not ignorant![/quote:be77d32d5a]

    Ha, I swear that made tea come out my nose :D
  29. avatar albrechtspencil
    [quote:b8ace9b550="tinpot anto"]Testify there..... or preferably elsewhere.[/quote:b8ace9b550]
    You seem to be a bit selective with the ideals you 'protest' in the name of here.

    Give the guy a break. I personally don't like christian music or praise music so I'm not going to defend it from a musical perspective but you guys seem to be pretty riled up over this.

    From where I'm standing it looks like you actually feel threatened by this guy's convictions, and if so what does that say about your own resolve (or lack of)? Ever since Bush's 8 years of 'wrath of God' government anyone remotely left-wing seems to have a knee jerk reaction against any form of christianity. Obviously it's a hard stereotype to repair but this crap isn't helping.

    [i:b8ace9b550]"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."[/i:b8ace9b550]
    Voltaire (and he definitely wasn't a fan of organised religion)
  30. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    [quote:0e2d860712]From where I'm standing it looks like you actually feel threatened by this guy's convictions[/quote:0e2d860712]

    Threatened? No.

    Irked by inherently discriminatory practice being dressed up as a good thing and defended by people as desirable? Absolutely. AAn ad seeking Christian Musicians is every bit as discriminatory as one seeking Straight, Male, or white musicians, something I would assume no-one would defend.

    "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

    Absolutely. I don't recall Voltaire ever saying "and whence you've said it, I shall sit supine and not oppose it whatsoever." Disagreeing with someone's stance, however vociferously is not taking away their right to speak freely, merely exercising one's own.
  31. avatar Crackity_jones
    [quote:e1e95fecce="DontPetABurningDog"]seeking Christian Musicians is every bit as discriminatory as one seeking Straight, Male, or white musicians, something I would assume no-one would defend.[/quote:e1e95fecce]

    This is ridiculous. He wants to form a band to play Christian music, therefore he's appealing for Christian musicians to join. Shock, horror.

    Seriously, unless you have anything useful to contribute, leave the guy alone to form his band. It's pathetic.
  32. avatar T Entertainment
    Yeah but it would be considerably more tolerant and just plain good manners to let him get on with it, ie: just ignore his wee advert for band members.
    Unless you are actually picketing churches / mosques / other places of worship due to their discriminatory practices on a regular basis and not restricting yourself to pointless cheap shots on a message board...in which case blatter away, sure.


    That you would invoke VOLTAIRE to justify your unpleasant diatribes directed against some bloke just looking for members for a Christian band on a music forum is fucking priceless. :lol:
  33. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    [quote:9c20804bc3]Seriously, unless you have anything useful to contribute, leave the guy alone to form his band. It's pathetic. [/quote:9c20804bc3]

    Ah, right. I see. It's OK if you agree with the form of discrimination being practiced, or can rationalise it. How silly of me.

    Why is my stance ridiculous, anyway? Any of the example stances I set out could be defended with the exact same formula you employ here.

    If this is your definition of useful contribution, I think I've little to fear.
  34. avatar fastfude
    You have nothing to fear, just be nice.
  35. avatar Crackity_jones
    [quote:687a99a9dd="DontPetABurningDog"][quote:687a99a9dd]Seriously, unless you have anything useful to contribute, leave the guy alone to form his band. It's pathetic. [/quote:687a99a9dd]

    Ah, right. I see. It's OK if you agree with the form of discrimination being practiced, or can rationalise it. How silly of me. [/quote:687a99a9dd]

    So let me get this straight: you're offended or otherwise bothered by a Christian musician looking to form a band with other Christian musicians? There's no discrimination to rationalise!

    [i:687a99a9dd]EDIT: sorry, got a bit carried away there...[/i:687a99a9dd]
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  36. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    In all fairness to me, I don't think I've been less than courteous here, in comparison to the verbiage laid out to denigrate the motives of anyone who finds the OP a little bit off, at any rate.
  37. avatar clivemcl
    [quote:da734b43ee="DontPetABurningDog"]Irked by inherently discriminatory practice being dressed up as a good thing and defended by people as desirable? Absolutely. AAn ad seeking Christian Musicians is every bit as discriminatory as one seeking Straight, Male, or white musicians, something I would assume no-one would defend.[/quote:da734b43ee]

    If i were starting a pro vegetarian political activist band, which contained lyrics which were pro vegetarian, I guess i'd be looking for band members who were vegetarian.

    Discrimination? Its not a job interview! You assume you have a right to be considered for every band. If i post a thread saying i want a handyman, specifically with plumbing skills. Would someone with handyman, specifically joinery skills have any basis to come on the post and kick up a stink?

    This post is ridiculous! I think everyone will agree that most 'religious' folks involved with music in the country get along quite well with everyone without ever making reference to things they disagree with that they see...

    If I'm wrong I'd love to hear of instances when there has been 'extremist' religious people within music telling people what they should or shouldnt believe.
  38. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    "You assume you have a right to be considered for every band"

    Don't presume to tell me what I think, dear fellow.

    "If i post a thread saying i want a handyman, specifically with plumbing skills. Would someone with handyman, specifically joinery skills have any basis to come on the post and kick up a stink? "

    Apples and Oranges. Selection via a distinct skillset is not equivalent to selection based on belief, gender, orientation etc. Analogies. You're doing it wrong.

    "If i were starting a pro vegetarian political activist band, which contained lyrics which were pro vegetarian, I guess i'd be looking for band members who were vegetarian. "

    I'd be looking for band members who were good and could play the material, and contribute usefully, meself. Madness, I know.
  39. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:738b094e6e="jonnyweston"]There are organisations if you like however that do specialize in your sort of interests and opinions?
    like this one
    [b:738b094e6e][url]http://www.last.fm/group/The+Antichristian+Phenomenon[/url][/b:738b094e6e]
    Feel free to join, I am sure they are waiting for you![/quote:738b094e6e]

    I tried to find a Christians Against Contemporary Christian Music but it seems that it doesn't exist...
  40. avatar The Ronster
    And if they thought Christianity was a load of balls? What then?

    Me, I'd think that made them sane, but then I'm not looking to start a band with a bunch of them.
  41. avatar clivemcl
    Fair jars! Your very good at picking holes, and you did so i must admit. :cry:

    I do understand what you are saying and why you feel bothered by it.

    However i still think it is entirely up to the recruiter what he wants. There are no legal or even moral restrictions or guidelines to be followed in this scenario...

    I guess what may be a relevant factor to consider here is that the band seemingly wish to play there music as an act of worship (not necessarily congregational leading), as opposed to just playing music containing religious lyrics. In which case it would be a more acceptable request for the potential worshippers to actually be worshippers.

    Hope this helps, and we can all just leave this post alone.

    Good luck with the band recruiting Mr West!
  42. avatar Karl Rove
    [quote:529b072643="jonnyweston"]
    Grow up, and get over yourselves, if you were so great yourselves then you'd be successful musicians in the charts, not on here wasting time.
    Jonny Weston[/quote:529b072643]

    As an immature unsuccessful musician wasting my time on here & wasting my life in general, jonny gets a hi-five.
    Get over myself tho? never. i rock.
  43. avatar clss_act_00
    [quote:d55cd630f0="my-angel-rocks"]I tried to find a Christians Against Contemporary Christian Music but it seems that it doesn't exist...[/quote:d55cd630f0] ha, enjoyed that. Can i start it..?

    It's interesting how this kind of thread has developed compared to how I remember similar threads having gone over the past few years. If you write something that seems to stand against some sort of minority group (not necessarily an official minority, or official group, just using that broad term) then people will jump all over it. "They can't defend for themselves so we should all defend them" type attitude. But "christians" of all forms and ideas in our country (and on on this board) have always been well represented so they've always been ripe for the picking

    But hold up...! It seems things are changing, these days more people are.. it;s hard to know how to put this without offending... so ill say "not of christian belief" (and hopefully you'll all know what i mean and not use that to eat at the general point I'm trying to get at). Which means all the "christians" aren't necessarily a massive majority anymore, and therefore can't be picked on as much.

    Or so it seems by this thread, a few years back it would have been 5 people chastising the guy recruiting in some way and 1 or 2 backing him up.

    My own opinion - this is all a bit ridiculous and i just wasted 5 mins typing all that out to surely have it picked apart for any miscommunications I may have included
  44. avatar fopp
    Yes! 3 pages of controversy to read through over lunch.
  45. avatar aaronrossi
    I suppose I shall put my tuppence in...

    I agree with a lot of the posters who were saying let him get on with it. As far I know christians are not banned from the forum...

    I reckon if it went further we would have another filter for Christian music similar to the I.N.D.I.E. filter! Music affiliated with a religious organisation or sect.

    Whilst I do not subscribe to the whole christianity ethos - I do appreciate peoples faiths - and kinda admire it. We possibily all have a habit of giving it the whole bible thumping attitude when all the fella asked was about musicians for a christian rock group. Could this not have easily been a gay dance troup?

    Because he perhaps doesn't dig the sex drugs and rock'n'roll lifestyle he is after all just here to make some beautiful music... albeit a theme that I just don't beleive.

    I would obviously hope that our new friend Jonny would also not give the whole "Iris" approach to the Gay dance troup idea... which lead me on to my next point - who is up for the dance troup idea... don't have to be gay - just camp it up a little!
  46. avatar adamb1026
    [quote:9a51cf6de0="aaronrossi"]I suppose I shall put my tuppence in...

    I agree with a lot of the posters who were saying let him get on with it. As far I know christians are not banned from the forum...

    Whilst I do not subscribe to the whole christianity ethos - I do appreciate peoples faiths - and kinda admire it. We possibily all have a habit of giving it the whole bible thumping attitude when all the fella asked was about musicians for a christian rock group. Could this not have easily been a gay dance troup?

    Because he perhaps doesn't dig the sex drugs and rock'n'roll lifestyle he is after all just here to make some beautiful music... albeit a theme that I just don't beleive.

    [/quote:9a51cf6de0]

    +1


    A guy on my course is in a Christian rock band and i over heard them recording a few weeks ago and popped in to hear what it sounds like. The melody, structure was fantastic. It could have fitted into any 'normal', if there is such a thing, indie song. Obviously there was no lyrics and that pointed the direction of the song into the'christian' genre.

    So fair dues to Jonny, as long as your playing music and enjoying it, nothing else matters.
  47. avatar Flatyre
    [quote:eb8dfa7f30]Obviously there was no lyrics and that pointed the direction of the song into the'christian' genre. [/quote:eb8dfa7f30]

    obviously.


    I mean, what?
  48. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ha!

    Again! And I've missed it. just as I was boasting about my CIA radar.

    Good luck lad.
  49. avatar aaronrossi
    [quote:20d4ae7a96="adamb1026"]
    +1
    [/quote:20d4ae7a96]

    Does that mean you are in the dance troup too?
  50. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:9c54ef2f08="Chi-Lite"]CIA radar.[/quote:9c54ef2f08]

    Christianity In Arguments?
  51. avatar Chi-Lite
    Like it, like it
  52. avatar Reckoner
    Ok, ok, I think we've alllll had too much sugar and need to lie down for a while.
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  53. avatar 10rapid
    [img:50e89b0838]http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/Pictures/Captivity%20and%20Return%20Artwork/images/daniel_and_the_lions%27_den.jpg[/img:50e89b0838]

    Jonny weston enters fastfude.
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  54. avatar fopp
    You don't enter fastfude. It enters you.
  55. avatar anty2
    in soviet russia food fasts you?

    no sense made. This wouldnt of escalated to the height it is now if it wasnt for him reacting (which is only human of him) but at the end of the day what matters here?

    Trifle and only trifle :)
  56. avatar adamb1026
    [quote:fe2c8ae499="Flatyre"][quote:fe2c8ae499]Obviously there was no lyrics and that pointed the direction of the song into the'christian' genre. [/quote:fe2c8ae499]

    obviously.


    I mean, what?[/quote:fe2c8ae499]


    I think you have confused yourself.

    Just take a step back, lie down maybe
  57. avatar daveshorty
    Pack of anti-Christian bigots in here. And don't argue that Christians are bigots cus it doesn't change the fact yous are also. Total mob-mentality like. Why get so wound up?
  58. avatar jonnyweston
    Aye whatever you think...


    I do however have to say thank you to the christian people who emailed me after my post but prior to ANY replies being made by any one, warning that the word "christian" mentioned in any article anywhere in these forum's came with great penalties. Through grace I tried to believe otherwise, but how wrong was I ??

    Just goes to show that those of you that emailed me were all right about the haste of a number (not counted number then to correct point) of users of this forum.

    As one person said "fast fude is just another anagram of FAST FEUD". Can't help but agree now that I have seen for my own eyes! (As in if you want a fued fast, just say the word christian.)

    Thank you to all of those who replied in regards to the ACTUAL advertisement, (or in a postiive manner), I will be contacting you all again in the next few days to arrange a meeting, or maybe like a BBQ or something.

    Thanks and God Bless

    Jonny Weston

    (Please note - I actually typed this out ages ago and was going to paste it under my other post of the same subject line "Whatever", but one of the other guys pointed out in an email that this was likely to go on for ages, so he suggested leaving it for a bit till it calmed down.... thats why it has been edited.)

    PS again thanks
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  59. avatar himynameissween
    what the hell started this off?

    im no friend of christians but seriously, have things died down here so much that a guy looking to start a christian band gets eaten alive?

    i mean, come on? thats like someone coming on here and trying to start a trad irish band and getting blasted with sectarian comments!

    i know not everyone believes in god, me included, but all he's trying to do is start a <b>band</b> on a site dedicated to local <b>bands</b>. calm the feck down and let him be!
  60. avatar T Entertainment
    "Just goes to show that you were all right about the general majority of the populous of this facility.
    As one person said "fast fude is just another anagram of FAST FEUD". Can't help but agree now that I have seen for my own eyes!"


    That's very unfair. Several non-Christian users took issue with those who attacked you for seeking Christian band-mates.They out-number the detractors. On the evidence of this thread, you have no grounds for that sort of blanket condemnation of the site.
    Hmm?
  61. avatar frajam
    Im as atheist as can be, but still, if someone is trying to form a band, jeez guys can you not just let him do what he has to do without any of this nonense?

    I never recall Christians having a go at the rest of us on this forum about the nature of whatever music we make. Regardless of his beliefs or musical taste, just let the guy try and do his thing, he only came here to look for musicians. I would like to think thats somthing not worth getting your head chewed of about.

    Theres always somebody out there, just looking to start an argument isnt there. Pathetic really.
  62. avatar Deestroyer
    Well I don't think the guy has exactly been hung drawn and quartered. If he wants Christian band members, fair enough. But the way the post was worded, I'm not surprised nor altogether disappointed he got a little stick. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?
  63. avatar kagjav
    Ok, well I know I'm a bit late....

    As a Christian, I may be biased. But it does bother me that its perfectly acceptable for people who are opposed to christianity to express their views clearly, and often obnoxiously, but entirely unacceptable for Christians to express their views. - (although that isn't what Johnny was doing initially, as has already been established.)

    This comes through clearly in all aspects of life. Christians are often diminished because people don't want to hear about it. Correct?

    Are those who are opposed to Christianity diminished? When 'facts' which are entirely contradictory of Christian beliefs are taught in schools in the Science part, and not the religion part? (I'm referring to Darwin- I'm not an expert, but most experts would agree that whilst a great deal of Darwin's theories have been proven, many of them remain to have insufficient evidence, but most people aren't told that!)- point being we shouldn't teach that christian belief is factual in schools because there is no proof (true), but by the same merit, some of the things which are taught in school have insufficient evidence.... get where I'm going? Totally not trying to be preachy here, just a suggestion. I may be wrong!

    I'm willing to accept that this is the case largely due to the fact that in the past it was very much the other way round - Christian perspective being the only acceptable perspective... But to justify reversing these circumstances entirely would be to jusify reversing the whole 'votes for women' shizzle. Men without votes for 60 odd years. Good idea? Bad idea?

    If we were attacking a Jewish band, I'd dare say there would be a different argument altogether.

    Hope I don't piss anyone off through this!
  64. avatar fastfude
    Isn't it true that Christians have lazer-eyes, a tough exo-skeleton that can withstand the vacuum of space and the ability to store up to 20Gb of DVD-quality video in their marsupial pouches?

    Reason enough, I think we can all agree, to send them to the Carryduff Dilithium Mines immediately!
  65. avatar The Ronster
    I don't care if you consider yourself Jewish, Christian, Hindu or Muslim. All your 'beliefs' are the result of mass social delusion.

    Yes, Muslims too. I said it.
  66. avatar delfuego
    I certainly am no christian, but I don't feel the need to act like a prick and castigate the original poster.

    He is looking like-minded musicians, much like any other post in the recruitment section. For some reason, some people's minds are too small to cope with that, or else they are just bored.

    Many moons ago, whenever local bands couldn't get gigs for love nor money (when it wasn't 'cool' to be in a band), we played a few 'christian' cafes and clubs etc. They were always well received and it was refreshing to see the punters go mental and wreck the place and everyone of them being sober!!

    If you don't want to join his band, then don't reply or even better go back to your bedroom with your jar of liver and copy of Kay's catalogue. :smt016
  67. avatar kagjav
    "I don't care if you consider yourself Jewish, Christian, Hindu or Muslim. All your 'beliefs' are the result of mass social delusion.

    Yes, Muslims too. I said it. "

    Grand! You disagree with religion in general. far be it from me to insult you/criticize you. If you consider it to be a mass social delusion, I can totally see where you're coming from!

    My argument, however, was exactly what you perpetuated: its perfectly fine to express your views provided they're anti-christian (or in your case, anti-religion) but most people are very quick to attack partcularly the Christians for doing the same thing.

    And yes, we do have lazer eyes.

    My 'beliefs' aren't 'beliefs', though. They're beliefs- just as your beliefs incude the belief that mine are a result of a 'mass social delusion'.
  68. avatar 10rapid
    fatwa on ron anyone? I hope the omagh jihadists don't get you on your way to morrissey.
  69. avatar fastfude
    I can't wait until page 47, where everyone finally agrees and the whole issue is resolved ONCE AND FOR ALL!
  70. avatar Deestroyer
    I think this whole thing is very little to do with what he said, more the way he said it.
    "Musicians wanted for Christian rock band!" = No big deal. I think it was the whole "God Bless", and "show you the way god loves you..." stuff that creeped everyone out and sparked a reaction.
  71. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:a3b20d46f1="The Ronster"]I don't care if you consider yourself Jewish, Christian, Hindu or Muslim. All your 'beliefs' are the result of mass social delusion.

    Yes, Muslims too. I said it.[/quote:a3b20d46f1]

    Ron, I've already [i:a3b20d46f1]proven[/i:a3b20d46f1] to you on numerous occassions that that is balls.

    Where's your fine scientific mind?

    Still, carry on.
  72. avatar fastfude
    [quote:ad627b2c53="Chi-Lite"]Still, carry on.[/quote:ad627b2c53]
    No, really, stop. What exactly is being accomplished here?
  73. avatar Chi-Lite
    Absolutely zilch.

    Unless your man finds his band members, in which case, absolutely everything that was intended.
  74. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    I wasn't bothered about the whole issue of looking for Christian band members. To be honest I couldn't care less.
    What really annoyed me is, as mentioned, the wording and the way the Jonny Weston presented the thing and how he tried to make it sound as if Christians musicians are some sort of victims or something like that.

    If he just stated he was looking for Christian band members and listed what facilities/equipment he had then I probably would have been 100% indifferent to this.
  75. avatar Chi-Lite
    Aye, Christian musician ends his post with "God bless". what a fucking scandal.

    Wise the bap would ye
  76. avatar remedy malahide
    [quote:b7032fbe83="Deestroyer"]I think it was the whole "God Bless", and "show you the way god loves you..." stuff that creeped everyone out and sparked a reaction.[/quote:b7032fbe83]

    The Irish language has used "God with you" and "God and Mary with you" as a formal greeting/greeting acceptance for a very long time. Does that creep you out? It doesn't creep me out. I'm not offended by it. What the original poster stated didn't creep me out either.
  77. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:3a72ae0b93="Chi-Lite"]Aye, Christian musician ends his post with "God bless". what a fucking scandal.

    Wise the bap would ye[/quote:3a72ae0b93]

    Surprisingly, that didn't bother me.

    It was the whole "to show the ways he loves you..." type of language and the presentation of Christian musicians (or Christians in general, it was quite unclear) as victimised minority.
  78. avatar Chi-Lite
    First of all, why would

    "to show the ways he loves you..."

    annoy you? again, wise the bap.


    As for this victimisation thing, I think Chris is right, there was no particularly vehement attack on the lad, but there were quiter a few snide remarks. It seems that someone has told the boy that FF is generally no place for this kind of thing, and he's likely to take abuse....which in the past has been true....

    I believe that you may be referring to this comment;

    [quote:36ed6fe026]in a place that might not seem to reap harvests of many christians and in some ways possibly even hostile or against christians and our music[/quote:36ed6fe026]

    The only thing is, that's absolutely true. any quick trawl of the posts about Christian music on here will illustrate that

    I think your wee man may have felt that the mild abuse he has taken was the beginning of the abuse that he was expecting.

    But you're right, there hasn't really been much abuse, not compared to what there has been in the past. Cause yous all know I'll beat yous into line.

    I don't think anybody's portraying Christians as a victimised minority, i believe your man just made a point, which somebody told him, that he was likely to get abuse on here. And, given a quick view of some previous posts on the issue, I'd say he was right to expect it.

    But you're right, i don't think it's materialised? Although then again, something must have materialised, otherwise he'd have just made his post and been left in peace. some people obviously felt the need to stick the oars in.

    .

    But like I say, many of us seem to have wised up. Even Ron only put a wee oar in towards the end there
  79. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:4bc1956c7e="Chi-Lite"]First of all, why would

    "to show the ways he loves you..."

    annoy you? again, wise the bap.
    [/quote:4bc1956c7e]

    Because that is the sort of language used by the same people which are convinced that even non-believers will be saved and will see that God or Christ loves them.

    I apologise if this guy is not like that. But by experience that is what is to be expected when that sort of language is used.

    [quote:4bc1956c7e="Chi-Lite"]As for this victimisation thing, I think Chris is right, there was no particularly vehement attack on the lad, but there were quiter a few snide remarks. It seems that someone has told the boy that FF is generally no place for this kind of thing, and he's likely to take abuse....which in the past has been true....

    I think your wee man may have felt that the mild abuse he has taken was the beginning of the abuse that he was expecting.

    But you're right, there hasn't really been much abuse, not compared to what there has been in the past. Cause yous all know I'll beat yous into line.

    I don't think anybody's portraying Christians as a victimised minority, i believe your man just made a point, which somebody told him, that he was likely to get abuse on here. And, given a quick view of some previous posts on the issue, I'd say he was right to expect it.

    But you're right, i don't think it's materialised? Although then again, something must have materialised, otherwise he'd have just made his post and been left in peace. some people obviously felt the need to stick the oars in.

    I believe that you may be referring to this comment;

    "in a place that might not seem to reap harvests of many christians and in some ways possibly even hostile or against christians and our music"

    The only thing is, that's absolutely true. any quick trawl of the posts about Christian music on here will illustrate that.

    But like I say, many of us seem to have wised up. Even Ron only put a wee oar in towards the end there[/quote:4bc1956c7e]

    Yes, that is precisely the comment I was referring to.

    Ok, we all know how heated it gets when religion, and especially Christianity is involved. But if the guy really wanted Christian band members he could have stated it clearly and concisely as you do with any other band, that comment was superfluous.
    And that comment triggered me off because, and you too will realise this, that it's bound to attract (unwanted) attention. In the context of looking for fellow band members with the same religious beliefs that phrase was unnecessary and he could have quite easily got away without using it. Despite it is true that Christianity will be a controversial topic on FF, that phrase there in such a context seems to exactly promoting the idea of Christian musicians as victimised minority.

    As I said, if he really wanted Christian musicians he could have just stated so doing all the usual stuff you do when you are publicising that you are looking for other musicians. All the rest was unneccessary and bound to stir a bit of trouble.
  80. avatar Crackity_jones
    [quote:3ede8a7ebf="POSITIVExYOUTH"]if he really wanted Christian musicians he could have just stated so doing all the usual stuff you do when you are publicising that you are looking for other musicians. All the rest was unneccessary and bound to stir a bit of trouble.[/quote:3ede8a7ebf]

    Only from ludicrously touchy people spoiling for an argument.
  81. avatar Chi-Lite
    Right, hold on;

    [quote:bdec95477c]Because that is the sort of language used by the same people which are convinced that even non-believers will be saved and will see that God or Christ loves them[/quote:bdec95477c]

    and why the fuck would that annoy you? Talk about fucking intolerance!

    And as for that comment, I believe the guy made it after some people had already replied...

    If you're talking about victimised minorities, mate, maybe you would try to stop proving them right. The fact is that he originally posted looking for band members....when that attracted a couple of the usual comments he then said "ah, I was told that would attract comments like that"...and he was right.
    I'm starting to think that, if you're not allowed to even point out the occassions when unwarranted attacks are made, never mind complain about them, maybe you are actually are a victimised minority...

    If even the very [i:bdec95477c]idea[/i:bdec95477c] that you might feel that people are attacking you actually then causes people to attack you because of the cheek of you in feeling attacked, then maybe the second attack is just a veiled attempt at the first kind of attack, if you follow that...convuluted, I know, but read it slowly.
    :-D
  82. avatar The Ronster
    Back from exercising my fine scientific mind behind the wheel of a van. My oar is indeed wee, and wet.

    Marty - a lot of people do object to the patronising language a certain shade of Christian uses. Johnny's language, like that of so many others, is that of the evangelist, someone trying to save us all from ourselves. In fact, what other possible reason is there to start a Christian Rock Band, if not to 'claim souls for Jesus'? To some people the whole concept is distasteful.

    I grew up in a Protestant, evangelical household, and pretty much had the mythology of Christianity spoon-fed to me from day 1. By the way, all serious Prod Christians think you're going to HELL Marty, simply because you believe in a different flavour of the same religion. Even if you accept that these people are all essentially believing in faeries, you have to admit that their value systems are calibrated in a bizarre way, huh?

    As for Christians feeling victimised - well, its the dominant religion in these isles. People who are down on Christianity generally don't have much good to say about any of the Mediterranean Death Cults (Judasism, Christianity, Islam). Its just that Christianity is a lot more visible here.

    [quote:3bfbe5b860]Ron, I've already proven to you on numerous occassions that that is balls.[/quote:3bfbe5b860]
    Surely you know by know that 'proving' the truth of anything like this is a logical impossibility. I stated an opinion that I've based on the available evidence. You, however, are stating that [i:3bfbe5b860]my[/i:3bfbe5b860] opinion is empirically wrong, based on no evidence beyond philosophical reasoning, which you (and, I might add, only you) think is worth as much as physical, measurable data. Since we approach the argument from wildly different premises there can never be a consensus.

    Yet again all I can presume about you with any certainty is that you have a pretty good taste in soul music, and you think telling a man in a black outfit your petty self-perceived moral misdemeanours will grant you admittance to a mythical kingdom in the sky one day, where you'll endure for eternity. Or infinity, whichever is longer.

    [quote:3bfbe5b860]fatwa on ron anyone?[/quote:3bfbe5b860]
    You calling me fat? Wa?
  83. avatar Deestroyer
    The supporters seem to be as touchy as the detractors, which is what annoyed me.

    Christians 1 - 1 Reactionary Atheists, Agnostics and non Demoniationals.

    Come on, group hug. Last one in the shower is a rotten egg!
  84. avatar PhatBob
    Yay! Once again FastFude supplies me with the same old pointless slagging match to enjoy while I eat/drink my cup-a-soup!!!!
  85. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ron, it's Friday afternoon, so I might as well.

    [quote:fe3bd9d1e2]a lot of people do object to the patronising language a certain shade of Christian uses. Johnny's language, like that of so many others, is that of the evangelist, someone trying to save us all from ourselves[/quote:fe3bd9d1e2]

    I totally understand. in fact, I get strong vibes of that type from you, Ron. You seem to have an interest in arguing that religious people are wrong, with even a hint of trying to save them from their folly.

    Patronisation comes from many sources.

    The thing about being victimised was, I believe, in reference to Fastfude, and not to our wee country. In relation to Fastfude it is true that religious expression attracts a lot of criticism...like yours above. which was all the lad said. he didn't say that he was being victimised....that was said for him.

    now, the substance;

    [quote:fe3bd9d1e2]All your 'beliefs' are the result of mass social delusion[/quote:fe3bd9d1e2]

    [quote:fe3bd9d1e2]Surely you know by know that 'proving' the truth of anything like this is a logical impossibility[/quote:fe3bd9d1e2]

    No...as you go on to demonstrate. For one thing, although your background may have been oppresively religious, mine wasn't.

    [quote:fe3bd9d1e2]based on no evidence beyond philosophical reasoning[/quote:fe3bd9d1e2]

    So......not social delusion, but philosophical reasoning?

    Remember, on this occassion I am not arguing that religions are right and you are wrong. I am arguing that, no matter what your personal opinions of religion, to say that it's all a result of social delusion is balls....

    especially when [i:fe3bd9d1e2]you[/i:fe3bd9d1e2] go on to say that it's the result of philosophical reasoning.

    See the wee nuance there?

    But this post below is the best post ever.
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  86. avatar reallybigmcc
    where was god when you did your back in? my back is fine
  87. avatar The Ronster
    Of course what I say sounds patronising, if you disagree with it. Problem is that its [i:2faebdffc2]easy[/i:2faebdffc2] to talk down to christians when they talk nonsense about evolution, creationism and suchlike. :lol:

    I put [i:2faebdffc2]your[/i:2faebdffc2] arguments down to philosophical reasoning, not everyone else's beliefs. You've gone out of your way in the past to make it clear that your position is one you worked to get at, and I was acknowledging that. I just don't think the VAST majority of Christians have anything better than 'I was brought up that way' to offer as way of explanation.

    However... the reasons why you are a Christian, and specifically a Catholic Christian, are largely social. You were born in a Catholic Community, you were raised in the faith and your entire family (I'm presuming here, but correct me if I'm wrong) are Catholic. You might protest that you got here on your own, but that's frankly bollocks once you take your social context into account. Hell, it even slots neatly into your political views - its a whole load easier to be nationalist/republican and catholic, than protestant. Or am I wrong?
  88. avatar Deestroyer
    I think I've been using fastfude too long, but I'm so excited at the prospect of seeing "this thread delivers" that it's tearing me up inside... It's been so long.
  89. avatar The Ronster
    Chriiiiiiiiis!

    You're wanted.
  90. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:b9ee8b58d8="The Ronster"]Of course what I say sounds patronising, if you disagree with it. Problem is that its [i:b9ee8b58d8]easy[/i:b9ee8b58d8] to talk down to christians when they talk nonsense about evolution, creationism and suchlike. :lol:[/quote:b9ee8b58d8]

    See. Victimisation! :lol:

    [quote:b9ee8b58d8="The Ronster"]I put [i:b9ee8b58d8]your[/i:b9ee8b58d8] arguments down to philosophical reasoning, not everyone else's beliefs. You've gone out of your way in the past to make it clear that your position is one you worked to get at, and I was acknowledging that.[/quote:b9ee8b58d8]

    No you weren't! you were saying

    [quote:b9ee8b58d8="The Ronster"]All your 'beliefs' are the result of mass social delusion[/quote:b9ee8b58d8]!!!

    [quote:b9ee8b58d8="The Ronster"]I just don't think the VAST majority of Christians have anything better than 'I was brought up that way' to offer as way of explanation.[/quote:b9ee8b58d8]

    You may THINK that, but it's not true.

    Furthermore, it could be empirically tested, if you wanted to bother your hole.

    [quote:b9ee8b58d8="The Ronster"]However... the reasons why you are a Christian, and specifically a Catholic Christian, are largely social. You were born in a Catholic Community, you were raised in the faith and your entire family (I'm presuming here, but correct me if I'm wrong) are Catholic. You might protest that you got here on your own, but that's frankly bollocks once you take your social context into account. Hell, it even slots neatly into your political views - its a whole load easier to be nationalist/republican and catholic, than protestant. Or am I wrong?[/quote:b9ee8b58d8]

    you're completely wrong.


    As I've told you before, I was an atheist until about 21. I became catholic and not some form of protestant because the catholic faith made the most sense.

    Stop being so presumptuous, you intolerant victimising NAZI! I could have been a protestant, if it wasn't so fucking [i:b9ee8b58d8]ridiculous[/i:b9ee8b58d8] :lol:

    And by the way, politics have absolutely nothing to do with it. absolutely nothing. sure Gerry Adams is now a methodist, and Anne Widdecombe's a catholic
  91. avatar Deestroyer
    All we need is a reference to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and some fightin' talk or physical threat and this could go into the Fastfude classics section. There should be a Fastfude classics section. Actually, maybe there shouldn't.
  92. avatar aaronrossi
    [quote:0824963c32="Deestroyer"]I think I've been using fastfude too long, but I'm so excited at the prospect of seeing "this thread delivers" that it's tearing me up inside... It's been so long.[/quote:0824963c32]

    I know what you mean!!!! This is good shite!!!

    Come on Chi-Lite!!
  93. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:4bb49710fd] I became catholic and not some form of protestant because the catholic faith made the most sense.[/quote:4bb49710fd]

    ...to someone with 21 years of indoctrination?

    Your self-delusion would be sweet if it wasn't so intoxicatingly sexy.
  94. avatar Chi-Lite
    See, your wee man was right.

    It's not enough just to accept that other people have thought about the contingency of the universe and the precariousness of reason and arrived at an acceptance of mystery and light.

    No, we have to have been indoctrinated.

    To be honest with you, I would say that you have been indoctrinated into holding an unthinking materialist assumption that denies intelligibility and coherence, and deifies irrational nihilism in the guise of forthright personal honesty, although, with no affirmation of selfhood this in itself falls into nonsensical incoherence.

    I reckon you've been indoctrinated into that from all those comics you read. In fact, I know you have.

    See, we can all be patronising. :lol:

    And by the way, take that hyphen out of self-delusion. It's superfluous
  95. avatar The Ronster
    Irrational Nihilism, huh? Yep, that about sums up my feelings on existence. I don't feel the need to disguise it as anything.

    Blaming comics for my anti-religious stand? Sure the Jews popularised those! :lol:
  96. avatar isis
    You see? You see the problems religion brings?
  97. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ha!

    Classic. As always on these topics, the people who talk about how "silly" "nonsensical" and "irrational" relgious beliefs are ...end up admitting that they themselves are anti-rational, and that everything is as irrational as everything else.

    If you're talking about how nonsensical religious beliefs are, son, remember that your views are nonsensical by their very nature. A view that all views are meaningless is paradoxical...and self-defeating.

    So you can hardly complain....about anything, really.

    If existence really is irrational then religious beliefs are just as invalid as your own.

    And for all your talk of existentialism, at least we've made an effort!


    Seriously, one minute religious people are silly and irrational....then the universe is silly and irrational....then the universe is silly, but we should make an effort to invent our own meaning....unless that meaning involves God, n which case it's silly and irrational....but the universe is silly and irrational....back to the start again.

    What convoluted and circular arguments all forcefully aimed at denying the existence of meaningful and loving reality!

    Like a young boy who hates his daddy.

    Or an angel who hates his creator! :lol:

    It's not real hate, Ron, come on. It's just impetuousness!
  98. avatar T Entertainment
    This thread delivers.

















    (I'm glad that those people who just want the fellah left alone to get on with advertising for his band are in the majority. As for the rest, no one would have dared/felt inclined to get stuck in like this if someone had tried to recruit an exclusively straight-edge, gay, vegetarian, Jewish or Muslim band. As for being 'offended' because someone says 'God Bless'?! I know some really appalling elderly people who say that to everyone they meet. I'll get you their addresses, you can stage pickets. I mean FFS.)
  99. avatar reallybigmcc
    i'm glad attention has been diverted from another christian band being formed, long may it continue! :twisted:
  100. avatar my-angel-rocks
    amen brother...
  101. avatar The Grace Jones
    You know if it was just over some random bit of blather on the general forum, I'd be all up for reading the 18 page clash between soulless religion and bad science, again, but surely this is bad gear on the recruitment forum - is hijacking recruitment ads for any reason at all not surely incredibly bad form? Would it not be best to just not do it all, for any reason, ever, as a rule?
  102. avatar T Entertainment
    What the man said. It's the height of crapulence and bad manners. There should be another thread for this band members call, with any more shite wiped.
    Roger, I'm all for your laissez-faire approach to moderation generally but in this instance it's made a complete balls of the whole point of this particular forum.
  103. avatar Reckoner
    Aww, the posts are getting too long for this to be entertaining lazy reading anymore. Quick, someone start a new argument.
  104. avatar reallybigmcc
    shut up reckoner! (that ok?)
  105. avatar Lori Meyers
    There is no God. Or Santa. Or unicorns. Or tooth fairies.
  106. avatar montanayaz
    jesus is the truth-jesus is perfect
  107. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:46d9ebc23f="reallybigmcc"]shut up reckoner! (that ok?)[/quote:46d9ebc23f]
    Not bad, but I'm not sure where we go from here. I'll have a go: "NAW!"

    I'm not sure it's working out.
  108. avatar jonnyweston
    Have a few people have said that i did not specifically mention that I wanted christian musicians? The post is too long for me now to go back and bother finding which ones, but I was sure somewhere I saw that this was not made clear

    I thought that was clear in the subject header.... the one thing that people will see before they read a post.

    Forgive me all, if I am incorrect.

    Jonny
  109. avatar himynameissween
    to everyone actually arguing about religion:
    [img:415c21fa81]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RZPVEYPWL._SL500_AA280_.jpg[/img:415c21fa81]
  110. avatar RabbBennett
    [quote:2b142a8bb1="himynameissween"]to everyone actually arguing about religion:
    [img:2b142a8bb1]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RZPVEYPWL._SL500_AA280_.jpg[/img:2b142a8bb1][/quote:2b142a8bb1]

    well said!! and :smt075 [color=green:2b142a8bb1]stop this fucking thinghymejigger thread now.........[/color:2b142a8bb1] higher being bless.......good night..x
  111. avatar Nocarsgo
    Here, Johnny, considering you've gotten about 60 odd replies, have any of them been about your search for musicians? Fair play to ye for going for this.
  112. avatar theavenue
    Christianity is a load of oul socks. Big beardy man? The world is ten thousand years old? Man came from soil? Talking snakes? Away and fuck.
  113. avatar anty2
    I got aids from the church, theres some tabloid swineline for you lot

    Id never reduce myself to quarreling in such a barbaric atmosphere :roll:
  114. avatar feline1
    I feel oppressed by this thread!
    I mean would we allow paedophiles to advertise on Fastfude?
    Or murderizers?
    Whyso Christianists?
  115. avatar jonnyweston
    Interestingly put :


    [quote:52c1912c4e]I mean would we allow paedophiles to advertise on Fastfude?
    Or murderizers? Whyso Christianists?[/quote:52c1912c4e]

    Its interesting to have christians placed in the same catagory as criminals.

    Jw
  116. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:74f47e624f="feline1"]I feel oppressed by this thread!
    I mean would we allow paedophiles to advertise on Fastfude?
    Or murderizers?
    Whyso Christianists?[/quote:74f47e624f]

    I hear that there's even some homersexualists here as well.
    What is this place coming to, its definitely not what I've paid for
  117. avatar SHH
    Only had to see the number of pages of responses to know this guy had a shit-storm landed on top of him.

    I'm no fan of the faith but for fuck sake people, it's a music ad, not a thread for pseudo-intelligent debate.

    Not move the rest of this thread to somewhere else? I didn't know theologians occupied Fastfude...
  118. avatar smcc87
    My first post!
    Hi there Jonny looks like there are a few tits in this world that give nobody a chance. Anyway, I am a christian have been for about 4 years love hillsong and many other christian groups. I am drummer and also learning guitar at the moment. I have not drummed for about a year. But i Have played in a christian event and I know what is needed and i believe I can be of some help, If you want to get away from posting comments on fast fude my email address is stephen.mccahon@hotmail.com. Feel free to contact me any time and we can arrange more. I Really think you are on to something and i have been thinking about something like that for a long time.

    I hope I can be of some help.

    God Bless

    Stephen
  119. avatar Persistence
    Something constructive!

    :D
  120. avatar RedLikeCrimson
    A wise man once said...

    "Religious debate is like the special olympics, you may win, you may lose, but at the end of the day you still go home retarded."

    Wise, wise words...
  121. avatar tinpot anto
    Don't be a load of dicks everything posted on here is subject to a bit of a slagging, for any number of reasons. Bad grammar, spelling, txt spk, awful influences, self importance, arrogance, blatant lying and ridiculous Spinal Tap clichés are all stuff that gets picked on mercilessly - as they would in any open public forum.

    No one has an automatic defence against it, or a right to demand it stops. It's part of the game.

    In this case the language was kind of nauseating in it's overuse of the word "blessed" and general youth group happy times positivity. *vomit*

    It's in no way evidence of an anti-christian message or sentiment - if that were the case everytime a Common Grounds gig was posted or The Motion Project there'd be uproar.

    Once again this thread is mostly people moaning about the supposed content of the thread.

    Wise up like.
  122. avatar Chi-Lite
    With, lo and behold, your Jerry's Final Thought at the end of it. :lol:

    Fuck sake, why not just take his first post and stick it back on the recruitment, and leave it at that.

    I don't think the point is the slegging, it's that it's become so predictable that, even when it doesn't really happen, like here, people imagine it has happened, and complain about it. And then people complain about [i:5eea8525dd]that[/i:5eea8525dd]. And then people like me complain about people complaining about your wee man complaining about getting slegged, even though he didn't really get slegged very much, but, well, he nearly did. And then you come in at the end with some mad "everybody's dicks" contribution, and then I make some comment about that.

    See. Fucking predictable. Why not just let the original post go? :lol:

    Cause we're all wankers, that's why. We're all fucking dicks.

    Proving, innnnarestingly enough, the Christian position on Grace and the Fall. But not the band.

    Now, what time does the boul snooker start?
  123. avatar feline1
    [quote:bf868f81f7="jonnyweston"]Interestingly put :


    [quote:bf868f81f7]I mean would we allow paedophiles to advertise on Fastfude?
    Or murderizers? Whyso Christianists?[/quote:bf868f81f7]

    Its interesting to have christians placed in the same catagory as criminals.

    Jw[/quote:bf868f81f7]


    lol well remind us of the religious persausion of the only convicted paedophile on Fastfude again, eh...?
    Did they by any chance just HAPPEN to be Christian at all?
    Did they be any chance just happen to be using the website to find other "musicians"?
    :lol: