1. avatar sreagvle
    My first post!
    Hey,

    I'm the only guitarist in a covers band and I'm thinking of adding a loop station to play rhythm guitar during solos. I've seen loop stations demoed on youtube but they all seem to be using a drum track to keep time. My question is, is it easy/possible to use a loop station with a full band? Can I make a recorded loop stay in time with the band during solos?

    Also, has anyone experience doing this? If so what pedals are best?

    Thanks in advance.
  2. avatar Le Sac Magique
    it's more a question of whether your rhythm section has perfect timing or not, if so any loop pedal with tap tempo would do the trick
  3. avatar sreagvle
    So you're sayin it's possible if we're good, and presumably with a bit of practice. Anyone else? Any advice on a good pedal?
  4. avatar jcordner
    I've found it can work ok but depending on the situation you may find yourself relying on the on stage mix being good. Which might lead to problems
  5. avatar Team Horse
    My entire live show is built around using a Boss RC-X20L Loop Station. I've often wondered how to use it without the main drum loop stored on it, but have yet to come up with how to! You'd need seriously good timing to pull that off.

    Hornby (ex We Are Knives) is the master of looping without a beat but he uses something altogether more complex and more expensive too.

    Plenty of practice and everything is possible, I would imagine. ;-)
  6. avatar Reckoner
    I've got an RC-2 that's great for playing alone but in a band context when I tried looping a riff, the timing did tend to go a bit wrong a few bars in. Great piece of kit though, fantastic for looping / sampling atmospheric delay noise and the like if your band is that way inclined.
  7. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:1f44e5f7ec="Team Horse"]
    Hornby (ex We Are Knives) is the master of looping without a beat but he uses something altogether more complex and more expensive too.
    [/quote:1f44e5f7ec]
    I saw Hornby's solo show once, as impressive as he is, even his stuff started to descend into mush towards the end of each piece!
  8. avatar Team Horse
    Hmmm, know what you mean about the Selaah stuff, but his use of looping with WAK was something else. Hopefully if I get a live show soon come see me and see/hear what you think. I reckon I use it to just about the optimum so that there's no mush. just one immense sound! :-D
  9. avatar Reckoner
    [quote:2111c91a8f="Team Horse"]Hmmm, know what you mean about the Selaah stuff, but his use of looping with WAK was something else. Hopefully if I get a live show soon come see me and see/hear what you think. I reckon I use it to just about the optimum so that there's no mush. just one immense sound! :-D[/quote:2111c91a8f]
    Will do! I'll keep an eye out. I restrict most of my looping to my bedroom as it tends to be much shitter than I think it is when I'm doing it. An RC-2 can only take so many overdubs.

    Yeah true, the looping in WAK was pretty darn good.
  10. avatar Team Horse
    You'd be surprised how well the Boss works through a live P.A when the levels are good.
  11. avatar adamb1026
    Machetts I think have a loop station by digi-harmonix.
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrtct-zdU7Q[/url]

    You can only record 30 seconds, but I had a go on it with my bass and it seemed easy enough to create a loop from tapping the guitar or body as such. Easy and quick to create a loop at your own tempo.

    You can also reverse the signal and other things.

    I personally dont like the Boss station, it was abit fiddly and I didnt like the storing method then creating a new over-dub. Maybe i was pretty impatient but i found the memory man easier to use

    Hope this helps

    btw check out Jarle Bernhoft, he is fantastic with the loop station. Fantastic live and a great chap :)

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  12. avatar Sadoldgit
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyBoXz1Vvc


    ignore the out of sync audio and video.

    If a 14 year old can do it , so can you.

    This is the jamman by digitech.

    There`s a few other videos of him messing about with the looper on my page including a rather nice one of mulilayering Ride On.
  13. avatar sreagvle
    Seems like it is possible then with practice. I'm not worried about lots of layered overdubs, just some rhythm guitar durin solos and possible two rhythm guitars where it's appropriate. I'm thinkin it'll work best if the drummer's monitor has the looped signal, so he can keep in time with it, and we keep in time with him.

    Cheers for the help
  14. avatar stevieo
    I have the Jamman, it has an XLR input and a USB port. I've been using it as a recording interface but yous had me looping till dawn!
  15. avatar Sadoldgit
    My son originally wanted it both as a toy , but also a live tool.
    We have had a few "issues" in live situations with the bloody thing cutting out [the fault it would seem is a dodgy connection in the effects loop of the amp], so he lost confidence a little in using it live.


    If all you want to do is fill out the sound a little with a rhythm part over a lead, it works well.
    It does seem to take a huge amount of practice though to get the loop timing accurate - drove him nuts initially...but with practice it can be done.

    If you are using an overdriven sound, I would only have a base loop that you can solo over - it gets muddy ..clean is fine.
    The other option is to run the output into the PA via the xlr , or into a second amp.

    they are a really cool tool.