1. avatar Nocarsgo
    Hey there. I was just wondering what the general consensus on under 18 gigs was? Would you avoid a gig specifically because the young un's would be there? Or is it the dry bar etc that grind your gears?
  2. avatar stevie j
    For me it's the inevitable 14-16 year old goth/emo/skaters trying to mosh and generally being annoying by running about like kids.
  3. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:71ab9ea260="Nocarsgo"]Hey there. I was just wondering what the general consensus on under 18 gigs was? Would you avoid a gig specifically because the young un's would be there? Or is it the dry bar etc that grind your gears?[/quote:71ab9ea260]Wouldn't bother me at all. If I wanted to see a particular band play, I'd go. Lack of bar isn't an issue for me though.
  4. avatar belfastcalling
    See, all ages gigs in Belfast are a bit of an issue. Because they don't happen very often, when they do, they're swamped by kids which puts a lot of people off. But in Glasgow or Edinburgh most venues are all ages so you get a mix of different ages.
  5. avatar Rocky
    More 14+ shows in Belfast would be great.
    Regular shows aimed at under 18s that could help build a music scene for younger people would also be fantastic.
    It would be incredible if someone could kick start it!
  6. avatar stevie j
    I agree with Rocky, it would be good to have more 14+ shows (even though I said I can't stand the wee buggers)

    Are there any laws that stop bars serving alcohol just because underage people are in the venue, or is it just complicated/expensive licenscing that stops venues running all ages and serving drink?
  7. avatar Nocarsgo
    [quote:2e9279bf00="Rocky"]More 14+ shows in Belfast would be great.
    Regular shows aimed at under 18s that could help build a music scene for younger people would also be fantastic.
    It would be incredible if someone could kick start it![/quote:2e9279bf00]

    Well, that's the plan. I can't confirm anything at the minute, but we're planning an over 14s gig featuring one or two underage bands and, hopefully, a couple of major local bands. Our main plan is to make sure the events aren't forgotten about by those over 18, so more venues will offer regular over 14 gigs. And if the venues don't start offering regular gigs, we'll have to do something regular ourselves.
  8. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    That would be a brilliant idea, because I sometime hear of underagers which would love to come to gigs but can't because they are nearly all over 18s.
    Personally kids wouldn't put me off, if a band is good fuck it.
  9. avatar FaeriBex
    there's definately a market for underage gigs in belfast. in the uk there are promotors who specifically aim at the underage market and have had massive success. plus it would help supporting the younger bands who maybe cant play certain venues because of being underage.
  10. avatar thesacredhearts
    We tried to start something similar, ie 2 younger bands (A505 and General Fiasco) and two older (JB's and Escape Act). We even had a sectioned off bar. There wasnt great turn out despite quite a bit of advertising. It was a minging day, in the middle of the summer, so i dunno if everyone decided to stay in or was away on holiday. Perhaps our bill wasnt suited that well.

    It wasnt viable economically to do it again, a load of cash was lost, and it seemed essentially fruitless and a long day.

    So, not to be excessively negative, but unless you've got someone opening up a venue for free (unlikely for anywhere with a bar), and you're keeping your costs very low, then be prepared to loose money.

    It would still be brilliant for younger types to get to go to gigs too.
  11. avatar ciara606
    just found out their stopping portstewart rocks
    very disapointing, there is alot of potential there

    [quote:0fdf55d146]Portstewart Rocks are temporarily stopping all our gigs with the exception of the annual Red Sails Festival Battle of the Bands competition until the music scene in the area revives and interest picks up again. We would like to apologise to all the loyal attendees and all bands who have played for us up to this time.[/quote:0fdf55d146]
  12. avatar belfastcalling
    The key is getting someone who knows what they're doing behind you. Try and contact some promoters about it and see what you can come up with.
  13. avatar myspace.com/eleventhnote
    from a band perspective its something we'd be very interested in. At unConvention its was something brought up, and the general consensus seemed to be that there werent enough of these type of gigs taking place, some people were even suggesting contacting the education and library board about lunch time gigs in schools...

    If the UK can have successful venues doing 14+ gigs, then why cant we do it here? Its not like kids here don't listen to good music...they can go to clubs etc generally, i would have killed to be able to see decent bands at that age.

    As I say though we would be definately up for this sort of show, if anyone is organising them feel free to drop us an email at theband@eleventhnote

    Paul
    Eleventh Note
  14. avatar Nocarsgo
    I don't think we're aiming to make a profit and to be honest we wouldn't mind losing a little money. It's more of a question of trying to establish a couple of gigs within Belfast for 14+. I just turned 18 and as a result I've been in heaven going to all these local gigs- Kowalski, Two Door, General Fiasco, Unconvention, The National, A Plastic Rose, Ed Zealous... it's been incredible. I'm just a little pissed I didn't see these acts earlier.

    We're talking about holding an event in early July. If any bands are interested, send me an email at secretfireworks@gmail.com . I can't promise anything myself, but every band that sends an email will be listened to and discussed with a group, and we'll definately think about it. Underage bands would deffo be appreciated, because you're one of the main reasons we'd throw a night like this. In terms of a fee.... we'll have to see, we'll cover as much as possible but that's for discussion at a later date. Could anyone recommend me a couple of local promoters that would be useful to contact?
  15. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Well, obviously there is a risk of a complete disaster, so it has to be done near to perfect to insure it goes well.

    As for Portstewart Rocks, it's not that the scene is dead on the North Coast it's just that Portstewart Rocks has had its day and it has become extremely uninteresting. It has been for a very long while the same bands or the same sort of bands playing there and therefore people couldn't be bothered (myself included).
  16. avatar Sadoldgit
    If it is being done to make money, its unlikely to.

    Factoring in the cost of venue hire, soundman, PA , and not even taking into account the issues around insurance etc......it is unsurprising that people arent keen to put these events on.
    Couple than with general apathy in the target agegroup....combined with an unwillingness of those over 18 to attend when there is no drink and its a brave person that puts on an event.

    Breaking even seems the best that most can hope for, ie, you need to do ti for the love of the music alone.

    Sad, as I do remember a time when under 18`s would have killed to have an event put on with them in mind.
  17. avatar ciara606
    [quote:bf07581b52]As for Portstewart Rocks, it's not that the scene is dead on the North Coast it's just that Portstewart Rocks has had its day and it has become extremely uninteresting. It has been for a very long while the same bands or the same sort of bands playing there and therefore people couldn't be bothered (myself included).[/quote:bf07581b52]


    same here i live in portstewart, i love goin to local gigs but i stopped going cos i was sick of watching the same 15 year olds play every time...
    but like i said there is alot of potential there if they could just get the right bands and advertising
  18. avatar Desus
    It'd be great to see some U18 gigs happening. There is a demand for it, but the breakeven margin on a full age show is so tight these days that you'd have to be super confident with your gig to even try it.

    In terms of trying to do U18 in a bar, with booze for sale. It's not going to happen. Unfortunately thats the license which everyone has to operate under.
  19. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:74d47038e8="Desus"]In terms of trying to do U18 in a bar, with booze for sale. It's not going to happen. Unfortunately thats the license which everyone has to operate under.[/quote:74d47038e8]Have there not been gigs at the Limelight or S&A where over-18s were ID'd and wristbanded and then allowed to buy drink? Or am I remembering that wrong?

    At the Island Centre in Lisburn, the bar is separate from the performance hall. Actually, come to think of it, that's the case with any "theatre" venue as well, such as the Waterfront or Opera House or Ulster Hall. Problem solved! Hire the Ulster Hall.
  20. avatar Nocarsgo
    We were thinking more of the Black Box (which seems to have all ages but ID on bar) but Spring and Airbrake/Katy Daly's is an option for sure.

    As I said, it's not a commercial event and we're prepared to lose a bit of cash until we can see if there's a market or not. We want to change the impression of these gigs- under 18 isn't what we're looking for but over-14s. Adults shouldn't avoid the gigs if the bands are good while the teenagers would be more enticed by half decent music than drinking, and underage bands will prefer to play in a proper venue than a church hall or a GAA club.
  21. avatar thesacredhearts
    [quote:0c9811195d]The key is getting someone who knows what they're doing behind you. Try and contact some promoters about it and see what you can come up with.[/quote:0c9811195d]

    We did that with the backing of a high profile promoter in Belfast. We also have experience within the band of promoting shows.

    I'm not saying that they should be run for profit, thats the reserve of a select few promoters really, diy promotion doesn't, in the long run, seem to prove profitable (its done for the love of the music which is great). What i am saying though, is that making enough to break even on expenses and throw the bands a few quid for petrol money, is something that you'll have to take into consideration. And as Desus said, the margins on these things are pretty tight. And as much as i'm sure you'd go in with great intentions, standing to loose a few 100 quid is something you might have to be prepared to do.

    At the end of the day, there are shows around Belfast that the over 18's of us can go to for free, down to how the revenue streams are redirected through the sale of alcohol. Its the reality of the situation. When those who aren't of legal age are in attendance, those revenue streams are reduced (or indeed totally canceled out) so you would be running an incredible tight ship to make it work.

    I hope it doesn't seem like im being a naysayer, quite the contrary, but you do have to be realistic about these things.
  22. avatar flmcasey
    i've organised and attended a few all ages gigs in my time and the attendance fluctuates ridiculously.

    i was at the steer clear/home star runner gig in the bunker this time last year and it was completely sold out, 400 people in. fast forward to summer and homestar runner are playing there again and 10 people show up!

    the price of putting on all ages gigs has also increased, which is a shame as there would probably be more gigs if promotors/bands were more confident about breaking even.

    but, more 14+ gigs would be amazing! from what i heard general fiasco's stiff kitten gig was pretty well attended! :D but why can venues, like the stiff kitten and the students' union, put on 14+ gigs and others can't? :?
  23. avatar Desus
    14+ gigs in the Union can happen, because as said earlier, the bar area is separate from the performance area. (Serving alcohol in the Bunatee while the gig is in the Mandela)

    We did a few gigs in the Speakeasy with half the bar cordoned off, but have since been told that its wrong. You can't have u18's in the bar if alcohol is being served. The wristband thing, puts bars in a very precarious situation. Its not hard to imagine someone under 18 getting booze off someone else, and if that happens the licence is in jeopardy.
  24. avatar mgh411
    I might be missing the point here but as you said the bar is seperate to the peformance area so alcohol can be served and the gig can be 14+, why are all gigs at the Mandela not 14+?
  25. avatar Desus
    Its based on the expected demographic of the gig. We can't have a situation were 850 people are over 18 and only 50 are under. We'd have 800 standing in the Bunatee trying to get a beer.
  26. avatar mgh411
    That makes sense, thanks for clearing that up Desus.

    Is the Innerpartysystem show still 18+? It was changed in Dublin to 14+ and hoping the same would apply here as at a guess most of their fans are underage.

    And last thing any chance of underagers at Eagles of Death Metal or ASIWYFA?
  27. avatar Desus
    We were hoping to do IPS at 14+ but as I said we've been advised that the Speakeasy is a no go at the minute.

    EDM and ASIWYFA will both be 18+ as thats how they've been booked.

    Interesting points raised here that I'm sure maybe a few promoters will take on board.

    And also lots rational responses for a change!
  28. avatar mgh411
    Thanks anyway, frustrating about IPS and ASIWYFA but understandable and glad to have the situation cleared up.
  29. avatar LolaDivine
    The only time i've seen it work is in limelight - doorman on katys inside door so adults can drink but you cant bring it back in with you - buy and supply in all that. pavilion sometimes has underage bands and fans and bar ppl just id anyone who looks underage - very rarely do they try and get drink anyway. they are generally well behaved too. i think limelight would be packed out like which you would need to pay for venue in all that. but yeah def eed a better scene for teenagers i would have greatly appreciated it when i was younger - i couldnt get to gigs til i was 17 so i think thats y most bands are late starters these days.
  30. avatar gerry norman
    What about 'A Little Solidarity' for the kids? Even just a one day event in the union with a few bands in Speakeasy and then down to Mandela but finish it early so they can be home at a reasonable time.

    Flyer outside every school in Belfast/N.Ireland (easy on the pedo jokes), get it on the radio, etc.... All the N.Irish media would prob pay attention and it would do wonders for the scene. If more kids knew how good some of the bands are they would freak out and,eh...like totally spread the news.Ya know what they're like.

    I'd def sign the Plastics up for that!

    Is this possible Desus/other promoters?
  31. avatar belfastcalling
    [quote:b95abcbf92="Sadoldgit"]
    Couple than with general apathy in the target agegroup....combined with an unwillingness of those over 18 to attend when there is no drink and its a brave person that puts on an event. [/quote:b95abcbf92]

    Hmm, you can't assume that all over 18s only want to go for drink. I'm 19 and i don't drink at all and wouldn't mind going to an event like this as long as i wasn't the only over 18 there.
  32. avatar LolaDivine
    "[quote="gerry norman"]What about 'A Little Solidarity' for the kids? Even just a one day event in the union with a few bands in Speakeasy and then down to Mandela but finish it early so they can be home at a reasonable time."

    Thats a sweet idea - the union has done loads of under 18 gigs before so i'd say its well prepared for this sort of thing. ASIWYFA were responsible for the 'solidarity' gig - i think- so they may own that scene but certainly would be an ideal venue.

    its definitely a mix of picking a venue under 18s would actualy feel priviledged in attending and then blowing their minds when they get there. i think thats why limelight would be good too- i might be biased tho - limelight was my first ever gig experience and just want every teenager to feel as awesome as i did that night. The Complete Stone Roses = good times.

    out of curiousiy - wat was ur first ever 'proper gig?'
  33. avatar myspace.com/eleventhnote
    "[quote="gerry norman"]What about 'A Little Solidarity' for the kids? Even just a one day event in the union with a few bands in Speakeasy and then down to Mandela but finish it early so they can be home at a reasonable time."

    [color=red:ffa1b69690]Thats a superb suggestion!

    Whats the promoters views on this type of thing?[/color:ffa1b69690]
  34. avatar adamb1026
    Was at the Futureheads all ages gig in Lisburn, (strangely) last July. Pretty good crowd mixture and there was bar obviously asking for ID who looked underage.
    Pretty good mix of a crowd, but the three of us seemed to be the only people who knew their back catolgue.
    All of a sudden a group of scenters pushed right infront of us waiting for that one song.

    He threw the setlist infront of then, but I stretched my tree branch arms and caught it from them. A little victory for me.
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  36. avatar rentaghost
    All Common Grounds gigs are all ages.
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  38. avatar Michael Lilley
    Sister marko are all for under age!! We wud play for anyone who appreciates a great night of rock. Regardless. Keep up the rockin kids!!!!
  39. avatar Nocarsgo
    We're no longer running The Kids Don't Stand A Chance events. There will be a dance night in November in Derry as a final hurrah, but I'm no longer running things.

    I'm writing up a piece at the minute if anyone's interested in hearing about how we got on. It'll be up within the next few days

    If there are any young promoters or promoters wanting to run underage gigs knocking about and want any help, PM me and I'll be more than happy to pass on contact details of some wonderful people.
  40. avatar dannybs
    My first post!
    hopefully there wil be more under 18s gigs there is a good lot of local ones but bands like the ediors that is over 18s and im gutted i cant got to panma kings even it was over 16s
    the ones i know of coming up are
    more than conqueors and seven story weather oh yeah centre
    oppenihiner,mojo,apr,the benjamins city hall
    general fiasco ulster hall
    asiyfa ulster hall
    anymore?
  41. avatar Nocarsgo
    Danny,

    Check out http://fuselovesit.co.uk/

    You have to sign up to see events there, but I'm almost certain Nakatomi Towers are playing one of those events.

    There's also a night starting up in Oh Yeah: I think you call it Volume Control?
  42. avatar dannybs
    [quote:566c56e93f="Nocarsgo"]There's also a night starting up in Oh Yeah: I think you call it Volume Control?[/quote:566c56e93f]
    aye thats the more than conquors gig
  43. avatar RM
    Editors gig at St Georges is + 14s, under 16s to be accompanied by parent / guardian
    http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/180042C999F4464A?artistid=940931&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60
  44. avatar dannybs
    great its been changed cant wait
  45. avatar dannybs
    that volume control gig was good
    when we went in all the people were sitting down on the floor and i thought oh fuck here we go
    but after the acoustic set it was great espically mtc