1. avatar nonlogic liam
    Necessary?


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7956549.stm


    I'll probably buy the Nevermind one on vinyl anyway.
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  2. avatar Recycled Alien
    Why don't you just load it into a recording suite and add a load of crackles, hum and speed variations? And save it as a 64kb MP3.
  3. avatar manversusjim
    Because then you wouldn't have a nice black shiny thing to stick on your wall. Don't understand the use of vinyl. Unless you're Grandmaster Flash.
  4. avatar fletch_belfast
    Maybe Guns n Roses (whatever that means these days) will re-release Welcome to the Videos on Beta-Max and Laserdisc.

    Due to popular demand for those formats of course.

    Waste of time and a damage to the environment.
  5. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    I wouldn't say it's a waste of time, vinyl is coming back. And it's not even just an opinion based on what is perceived to be cool or not, but vinyl sales have actually gone up quite sharply in the past 3 years. So perhaps it's not that much of a waste of time or that stupid of a move.

    EDIT: Not precise figures and only covering the period of 2006-2007 according to RIAA figures, but vinyl sales in that period have gone up 36% to 1.3 million. Obviously CDs still have a significant margin over vinyl, but according to the RIAA in the same period CD sales have gone down 17%.
    Furthermore, according to Nielsen SoundScan, the figures of vinyl sales in 2008 increased by 55000 for a grand total of 1.88 million.
  6. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:598842ef53="POSITIVExYOUTH"]I wouldn't say it's a waste of time, vinyl is coming back. And it's not even just an opinion based on what is perceived to be cool or not, but vinyl sales have actually gone up quite sharply in the past 3 years. So perhaps it's not that much of a waste of time or that stupid of a move.[/quote:598842ef53]

    Really? I would say digital media is on the up and up and up! Yes it's nice to have the big album art but that's about it - if you wanna put forward the vinyl has a more warm sound argument, I would to say to you that you'd need a very good hi-fi system to appreciate it.
  7. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Not at all, to get a good sound from the vinyl you don't need some sort of fancy hi-fi, just a decent set of speakers.

    Then obviously digital albums are going up to scary levels, but it is significant how CD sales are going down whilst vinyl sales are on a constant growth.
  8. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:76e20c6386="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Not at all, to get a good sound from the vinyl you don't need some sort of fancy hi-fi, just a decent set of speakers.

    Then obviously digital albums are going up to scary levels, but it is significant how CD sales are going down whilst vinyl sales are on a constant growth.[/quote:76e20c6386]

    Gotta disagree there, speakers are the last end of the chain and while they have to be good like you say, so do many other things like the transport, platter, cartridge and so on, otherwise the information isn't being sent to the speakers making it the equiv of mediocre .mp3.

    I've no idea about the vinyl sales growth admittedly, but I'd be more inclined to believe its for a niche market and for those that enjoy the art / getting off their ass to flip the thing over.

    How about this weather tho?
  9. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:062dcb4444="POSITIVExYOUTH"]I wouldn't say it's a waste of time, vinyl is coming back.[/quote:062dcb4444]No it isn't.

    Statistics of X% increase are meaningless compared to the truth that sales of vinyl records have increased from almost nothing to a tiny bit more than almost nothing. It's irrelevant.

    I note that you seem to avoid the actual number of CD sales and hope that we won't notice. Well, it's still in the hundreds of millions annually, isn't it? Downloads at about one hundred million? Making vinyl sales less than 0.2% of the total. Or to put it more emphatically, right now, 99.8% of music sold isn't on vinyl. :roll:
  10. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    Yes, I quite clearly said that CDs still are the main source of music, never denied that. And obviously it's a niche market as in so far as number go, but it's not a niche market when it comes to genres so it's really all up for grabs in the vinyl market. And again obviously is not that easy because an album that is on CD and is realeased on vinyl in a very plain way will be unattractive, but if you release an album on vinyl after the CD on, for example, coloured vinyl or revised artwork or something special anyway and I assure you that the attention of the vinyl community will at least be caught.

    But I would have to disagree, once again, with the fact that a fancy hi-fi is needed. I use a 30 worth turntable with really basic specs but a really good quality set of speakers and the vinyl sounds mint and just as good as more up market hi-fis. Obviously very a very shit system it will be shit, but I find that even a basic average system with good speakers does the job just as well as fancy hi-fis.
  11. avatar fletch_belfast
    LOL@vinyl community

    aka, 'yer da'? or some spide 'd.j'? Just bury it and forget about it, move on.

    Is this a penis measuring thing? Look at my big 12 incher compared to ur wee compact disc?

    Any kind of re-release is just a further milking of the 'ole cash cow, and I'll say again, just a damage to the environment. More waste we didn't need.
  12. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:9495fb999a="POSITIVExYOUTH"]But I would have to disagree, once again, with the fact that a fancy hi-fi is needed. I use a 30 worth turntable with really basic specs but a really good quality set of speakers and the vinyl sounds mint and just as good as more up market hi-fis. Obviously very a very shit system it will be shit, but I find that even a basic average system with good speakers does the job just as well as fancy hi-fis.[/quote:9495fb999a]

    But you'd be wrong. I spent over 2yrs selling hi end decks and other AV equipment and can assure you that what you're saying is incorrect. A decent deck , amp and speakers would set you back about 2 grand and can go up to 15+ - The difference is quite remarkable. If you've never had the chance to dem such systems, then I recommend you do and hear what you're missing.
  13. avatar The Ronster
    Your main problem is the following, indisputable argument:

    Most, if not all, recording studios have a digital stage at some point in the process, thus removing the only benefit Vinyl has over digital formats - analogue 'purity'.

    The truth of the matter is that pre mid-90s Vinyl was a worthwhile enterprise. Post Pro-Tools and DAWs it's purely an affectation, more to do with selling a few extra units to the black-disc-poseurs.

    Most popular music store in the world is now iTunes.
  14. avatar Strong Reaction
    I like vinyl. So there. I don't care about sales figures or markets, merely my own personal preference. Yes, label me a redundant luddite. :roll:
  15. avatar Pavel
    [quote:1c5e8be83c="POSITIVExYOUTH"]Yes, I quite clearly said that CDs still are the main source of music, never denied that. And obviously it's a niche market as in so far as number go, but it's not a niche market when it comes to genres so it's really all up for grabs in the vinyl market. And again obviously is not that easy because an album that is on CD and is realeased on vinyl in a very plain way will be unattractive, but if you release an album on vinyl after the CD on, for example, coloured vinyl or revised artwork or something special anyway and I assure you that the attention of the vinyl community will at least be caught.

    But I would have to disagree, once again, with the fact that a fancy hi-fi is needed. I use a 30 worth turntable with really basic specs but a really good quality set of speakers and the vinyl sounds mint and just as good as more up market hi-fis. Obviously very a very shit system it will be shit, but I find that even a basic average system with good speakers does the job just as well as fancy hi-fis.[/quote:1c5e8be83c]

    Why don't you just buy a hi-fi?

    ...that's like saying - "...well, I know computers have moved on a bit, but I still use the old spectrum 64s because I like the way it takes nine hours to edit one photo. It has more life to it..."

    All we need now is to get two people gurning on about film vs digital photography and my life will be complete.
  16. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:a3de8070b4="Strong Reaction"]I like vinyl. So there. I don't care about sales figures or markets, merely my own personal preference. Yes, label me a redundant luddite. :roll:[/quote:a3de8070b4]

    Just means you've had vinyl successfully marketed to you, like most other people have had CDs and iTunes marketed to them.

    The format you prefer fits in with a certain idea you have about music and/or yourself.
  17. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    [quote:ca35fb8c91="Rock Danger"]
    But you'd be wrong. I spent over 2yrs selling hi end decks and other AV equipment and can assure you that what you're saying is incorrect. A decent deck , amp and speakers would set you back about 2 grand and can go up to 15+ - The difference is quite remarkable. If you've never had the chance to dem such systems, then I recommend you do and hear what you're missing.[/quote:ca35fb8c91]

    Haven't listened to 1 to 2 grand systems and albeit there is difference, I didn't find it all that radical as you suggest.
  18. avatar Rock Danger
    [quote:5fbbbbdbcd="POSITIVExYOUTH"]
    Haven't listened to 1 to 2 grand systems and albeit there is difference, I didn't find it all that radical as you suggest.[/quote:5fbbbbdbcd]

    So you didn't find a noticeable difference in something you didn't listen to??
  19. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:a99719cbc4="Rock Danger"][quote:a99719cbc4="POSITIVExYOUTH"]
    Haven't listened to 1 to 2 grand systems and albeit there is difference, I didn't find it all that radical as you suggest.[/quote:a99719cbc4]

    So you didn't find a noticeable difference in something you didn't listen to??[/quote:a99719cbc4]He should be writing gig reviews.
  20. avatar Chi-Lite
    I love the boul vinyl.

    But then most of the stuff I buy is from the late 50s-early 60s, so I haven't really got much choice.

    It's quite literally impossible to get the cd, or even download, of "Baby You're Messing Up My Mind" by the Voices.

    Vinyl's the way to go. I love the crackles.

    Plus, there was a period in the early 80s when cds that had previously been released on vinyl were ever so slightly slowed down when transferred to cd. Listen to the early REM albums on cd and then vinyl and you hear a difference in tempo. Or Dexy's "Too Rye Aye"...there's a noticeable difference.
  21. avatar Thedevilsfavouriteson
    id just like to point out that nirvana albums have been released and rereleased on vinyl previous so whoever is running that company is a fool and clearly hasnt done his research or is lying to sell more.especially when he pointed out that this is the first time unplugged was available on vinyl.this is also wrong and surely anyone who is getting them from the collecters point of view will want the original vinyl or even the first rerelease.
    just saying is all.
    vinyl rules!
  22. avatar tinpot anto
    I own a good turntable and a big stack of class vinyl records.

    It is class.
  23. avatar The Ronster
    In my experience though, most vinyl 'fans' own a crap Bush turntable going into the back of a 20 year old 'MIDI System" (remember those?), thus making all arguments about sound quality irrelevant.

    Michael's right, of course. All them Nirvana albums have been on vinyl since their first releases. Unless they are re-mastering them (all the rage these days) this is a non-story.

    I'd love to hear the un-slicked-up version of [b:6e166714b6]Nevermind[/b:6e166714b6] that the band loved before Andy Wallace mixed it. Although I invariably love the sound of anything he mixes, I am curious.
  24. avatar tinpot anto
    Well couple of years back my uncle was throwing out his Strathearn turntable and a very nice hifi.

    I've since replaced the hifi with a new system, but had to buy a phono booster to use the deck.
  25. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    My bad, was supposed to be 'Have'.

    But yeah, after a very brief research I had confirmed that Unplugged was originally released on vinyl format. Which at this stage probably means that either the guy is a thick idiot or they are trying to stir up sensationalism, which given the anal preciseness of all (respectable) vinyl lovers will backfire like hell.

    But from the article they seemed to make it clear that SubPop was simply going to release re-presses (or at least, that was my impression). So I expect that they will re-master it or do something with it, because given the availability and relatively low price for original pressings it would be a bit of a risky deal.
  26. avatar whosbainejakey
    I hate CDs. Vinyl + mp3s for the win.

    That Nirvana story is a hoot. Bleach, Nevermind and In Utero are still in print, and how many folks will shell out on a re-issue of Muddy Banks or Unplugged when the originals can be bought on Ebay for a pittance?

    FACT: Did you know that when Universal Europe re-issued In Utero on vinyl a couple of years ago, they accidentally used the original Steve Albini mix of the album? It's currently the only "legal" way to hear his mixes of Heart Shaped Box and Pennyroyal Tea.

    OPINION: Also, lots of folks (including me) reckon the original European vinyl issue of Nevermind sounds fucking immense compared to any CD version.