1. avatar Desus
    [size=18:37509b89e7]Radar Live presents[/size:37509b89e7]
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    [b:37509b89e7]A Plastic Rose

    Dutch Schultz

    Here Comes The Landed Gentry[/b:37509b89e7]
    [/size:37509b89e7]
    Speakeasy
    Doors 9pm
    Adm: FREE
    Non Students Welcome

    www.myspace.com/clubradar
    www.myspace.com/aplasticrose
    www.myspace.com/dutchschultzmusic
    www.myspace.com/herecomesthelandedgentry
  2. avatar Desus
    La Faro were due to play this Thursday but instead are off on tour around the UK with Fighting With Wire.

    But its all ok as A Plastic Rose are gonna jump in as replacements!

    Everything else all stands.
  3. avatar gerry norman
    A Plastic Rose have just uploaded a new song called 'Kids Don't Behave Like This'. Check it out and then sing along at this gig.

    www.myspace.com/aplasticrose

    Those this count as a bump? Am I in trouble?
  4. avatar Desus
    Just a reminder that we're back tonight!
  5. avatar p-t-rebel-mc
    I cant wait for this tonight!! Woop!!
  6. avatar Desus
    Probably a good idea to get in early doors as downstairs has a tendancy to be a bit manic the first week of term!
  7. avatar gerry norman
    [quote:0f3d508e54]Probably a good idea to get in early doors as downstairs has a tendancy to be a bit manic the first week of term![/quote:0f3d508e54]

    WOOHOO!!
  8. avatar Ric_vdb
    quite looking forward to this splendid lineup tonight!
  9. avatar Mardy-Bum
    I heard a rumor about 2night! IF its true...everyone get down to radar tonight!!!!!!
  10. avatar Di Di Mau
    those poles go up to 40 ft
  11. avatar gerry norman
    Yes it's true they have the pole. I'm gonna lick it.
  12. avatar atomike
    Pole dancer for the night are Jo & Nic from the Polercise studio, Belfast. Jo is in the new Dutch Schultz video & Nic is my girlfriend so if I see anyone staring- you're dead! Nah i'm kidding. It'll be a great night, good on the Dutch Schultz guys for bringin' it all together.
  13. avatar isis
    I don't know what I made of the pole dancers. It completely distracted from the music and the weirdest thing is that they are a pretty good band, but I can't even remember their songs, just the 18 year old student at the front wanking off. disappointing state of affairs.
  14. avatar kinta1
    [quote:f3848f0646]just the 18 year old student at the front wanking off[/quote:f3848f0646]

    :-D

    fair play til him/her
  15. avatar isis
    I'm probably gonna get such a retaliation of crap back for this post but I think something has to be said, did I walk into a fricking twilight zone last night or were Dutch Schultz stroking their own ego and or their penises with pole dancers? I'm not going into the feminist angle here, If women want to dance on poles then it's their choice and they were really good at it but the band were actually quite good as well and I was so distracted I can't even remember their music. they didn't even try to make contact with the audience. It was so unnecessary, as was the massive group of prepubesent boys wanking by the stage. Fuck me. I'm actually quite embarressed for them. What happened to bands with a bit of fucking intelligence?
  16. avatar Chi-Lite
    if you can't even remember the music how do you know they were quite good?

    As well as being ego-penis-pole-dancer-prepubescent boy strokers, they were probably shite to boot.
  17. avatar isis
    because I remember thinking, their not even shit...why do they have to have naked women like some kind of seedy ad campaign?
  18. avatar Chi-Lite
    aye, I've never even seen them, they could be class.

    Sounds a bit wanky though, in lots of ways
  19. avatar isis
    or a greasy uncle taking liberties.
  20. avatar isis
    It really was wierd. I can't belive how angry it's made me. I've never left a gig feeling so wound up.
  21. avatar Lucy Lu
    Did the girls get any grief!?
  22. avatar isis
    I don't think so. Don't know to be honest. I'm not in any way havin a go at the girls by the way. They were athletes to say the least but the guys could have been playing a cd and no one would have noticed.
  23. avatar Di Di Mau
    Hi Jenny. You seem a bit wound up. The girls I spoke to that enjoyed the gig were extremely inpressed at the athleticism and dexterity of the dancers. And they weren't in any way naked. They wanted to dance at the gig to publicise their Polercise Ltd studio. Also, they would probably be offended to know that you're "embarressed" by something that they're so passionate about, and see it as "seedy". Polercise is something that they take very seriously and are extremely proud of. You're not going to get a "retaliation of crap" because it's your opinion. Cheers for coming down. You've made your point. Everyone there seemed to really enjoy themselves, and that's what it's all about at the end of the day isn't it? Music is meant to be entertainment afterall.
  24. avatar isis
    if you read any of my last posts you would see that I refered to the girls as athletes and that I have no issue with pole dancing, I just didn't see the point of the band being there.
  25. avatar Lucy Lu
    Nah that's cool, I was just concerned you meant people were giving them hassle. Which wouldn't be good at all.
  26. avatar Di Di Mau
    cool. Those were direct quotes from you though.

    Jo was kind enough to feature in the video for the bands single 'It Bends In The Middle' which is out on Monday. The band and Polercise Ltd discussed continuing the theme of the video through some gigs to help promote the band and Polercise Ltd. Thats why the band were there. That's why Polercise Ltd were there. We used a local director, local company for a local band. I think it's great that we were able to help promote Polercise Ltd and Bandwidth Films and Dutch Schultz. It's all about helping each other out.

    'It Bends In The Middle' is available from I-Tunes and HMV through Di Di Mau records on Monday.
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  27. avatar isis
    No don't think they got any hassle, didn't see anyone give them grief.
  28. avatar isis
    I see your point. rant over.
  29. avatar bandwidth
    didn't see that prepubescent kid wanking at the front of the stage. Unless you mean Gerry Norman?? ;)
  30. avatar thesacredhearts
    **A SLEAZY POSE - SICK SAD NORMAN OGLES GIRLS WHILST PENNING EMO HITS**
  31. avatar Sir Bob Gelding
    Has anyone said 'what's wrong with being sexy?' yet?

    [quote:ec89074550="Chi-Lite"]aye, I've never even seen them, they could be class.

    Sounds a bit wanky though, in lots of ways[/quote:ec89074550]


    Yes you did Marty. As far as I can recall you lot were supporting them and the audience was treated to a similar disrobing live on stage in Katy Daly's. Except courtesy of the Vals (aided and abetted by The Swal) as opposed to two trained professionals.


    Good times? Bad times? Let's say they were times and leave it at that.
  32. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ha, don't remember that.

    Was that not some English band?
  33. avatar Nic231
    My first post!
    are the photos up yet? x
  34. avatar gerry norman
    [quote:2ac915cf23]didn't see that prepubescent kid wanking at the front of the stage. Unless you mean Gerry Norman??[/quote:2ac915cf23]

    I left that to when I got home but I do know who that was...

    [quote:2ac915cf23]**A SLEAZY POSE[/quote:2ac915cf23]

    Hey that's not bad.

    [quote:2ac915cf23]WHILST PENNING EMO HITS**[/quote:2ac915cf23]

    I have no emotion.

    [quote:2ac915cf23]are the photos up yet? x[/quote:2ac915cf23]

    Matthew Patton has a couple of crackers including a 'leg spread' shot. Very artistic.

    Really lovely girls and great show. Dutch are getting some press from this :)
  35. avatar Nic231
    ooooo where?
  36. avatar POSITIVExYOUTH
    I don't give a shit, but I too will agree in saying that it was weird to say the least having pole dancing at a gig. All the helping eachother out side of things, it was kind of unnecessary. Dutch Schultz sounded like a not too bad band and I think that the pole dancing took the attention completely off them. I myself, as also other people have spoke to, were paying more attention to the girls than the band.

    I get the point of everyone helping eachother out, but surely a band would like people to concentrate on their music rather than something else at a gig.
  37. avatar Di Di Mau
    right-o.

    Dutch Schultz were not representing N.Ireland at the eurovision song contest(although they should). There were no children present. It wasn't on tv before the watershed.

    Dutch Schultz were playing Dutch Schultz music at a Dutch Schultz gig. I'm not entierly sure where the problem lies?

    Dutch Schultz wanted to play Dutch Schultz songs. Polercise Ltd wanted to pole dance.
    Quite simple really.

    I thought it made for a great gig. Entertainment. That is all.

    Dutch Schultz will be playing in HMV in Belfast city centre on Monday at 5.15. Polercise Ltd will also be there, poledancing.

    Hope to see you there.

    [url]http://www.myspace.com/dutchschultzmusic[/url]
  38. avatar Crackity_jones
    This was clearly a successful publicity stunt, well played to all involved! And it ties in with their video. I wasn't there by the way, maybe I would've been offended/thought the band were twats. But probably not.
  39. avatar Nic231
    sorry to repeat myself, but where abouts are the photos? i cant find em
  40. avatar isis
    i've been thinking all night about what I said and I feel really awful. I was having a crap day and your right, it was good publicity. And the girl were amazing and the band were great. I vented for no good reason and they didn't deserve that kind of negativity. It was a great gig. All I can say is sorry. and I will never try to give up smoking again. Both parties did not deserve my venomous tongue. I hope you will accept this apology.
  41. avatar Nic231
    i heard a guy got pulled from the front row for bein a bit excited. any truth in it?
  42. avatar Desus
    No one got taken out.

    I personally don't see the fuss. Its a band playing a gig. Their new single has pole dancers in the video. It was in essence an extension of the promotion of said single. If anything it was a bloody good stage show. A lot of bands could do with more inventive ideas for live shows.
  43. avatar Pavel
    Several things - firstly, yes, there are photos; they'll be done in due course. I'm not going to rush them just because there are some very sexy, beautiful looking women sitting on my desktop/I mean laptop/...jesus! *computer fail*

    Honestly though, it was an interesting novelty in a number of ways - visually, I'm sure the photos will be well received by every red blooded male (and some females too), but you can't hear the band in the photos. Whilst it drew a crowd, the attention caused by them was perhaps too good.

    I spoke to a lot of people who thought Dutch Schultz played a blinder, yet were unable to name or seemed to care little about their set. I think it was a case of people not tuning out, but seeing Schultz as the background to the real show, when it should have been the otherway round.

    Great idea though, and fairplay to them - it was really quite cool; if a talking point for some folk.

    ...and on that note, what are we living in, 1783?

    Are women not allowed to be seen as confident and sexy without being treated like second class citizens?

    If anything I saw it as empowering because it takes some balls (or lack thereof) to get up on stage and poledance in front of a bunch of dribbling students holding their fourth bottle of Corona.
  44. avatar p-t-rebel-mc
    [quote:fcc3d51109]Dutch Schultz were not representing N.Ireland at the eurovision song contest(although they should). There were no children present. It wasn't on tv before the watershed.

    Dutch Schultz were playing Dutch Schultz music at a Dutch Schultz gig. I'm not entierly sure where the problem lies?

    Dutch Schultz wanted to play Dutch Schultz songs. Polercise Ltd wanted to pole dance.
    Quite simple really. [/quote:fcc3d51109]

    Bob Dole

    Bob Dole

    Bob Dole. Bob Dole!

    Wheest up!
  45. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:8adf1c51ef]I saw it as empowering ... to get up on stage and poledance in front of a bunch of dribbling students holding their fourth bottle of Corona[/quote:8adf1c51ef]

    Oh, really, Germaine Greer?

    Now, I'm not a [i:8adf1c51ef]woman[/i:8adf1c51ef], so what would I know, but I would personally see that as downright degrading and humiliating.
  46. avatar Di Di Mau
    Dutch Schultz will be launching their debut single 'It Bends In the Middle', out through Di Di Mau records, today in HMV @ Belfast city centre at 5.15.

    The single is be available on most MP3 download sites and from all HMV stores Nnationwide from this morning.

    [url]http://www.myspace.com/dutchschultzmusic[/url]
  47. avatar Desus
    [quote:6150ba93de="Chi-Lite"][quote:6150ba93de]I saw it as empowering ... to get up on stage and poledance in front of a bunch of dribbling students holding their fourth bottle of Corona[/quote:6150ba93de]

    Oh, really, Germaine Greer?

    Now, I'm not a [i:6150ba93de]woman[/i:6150ba93de], so what would I know, but I would personally see that as downright degrading and humiliating.[/quote:6150ba93de]

    Quite a weird observation given that the Union don't sell Corona.
  48. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:c7244ce120="Chi-Lite"] so what would I know?[/quote:c7244ce120]

    Key point, that.

    Brilliantly, I once knew some pole dancers (my friend's wife was one) and I got embroiled in a 'Tom Waits' stlye world of whiskey and strippers.

    My friend's wife was a pole dancer to pay the bills, and it was my job to act as his minder, making sure he didn't go a bit crazy, etc, and then meeting his wife at the club to take her home.

    There was one girl who was always really nice to me, and my friend's wife decided to set us up on a blind date, which was pretty cool.

    However, the Tom Waits thing lifestyle got even weirder when the girl couldn't make the blind date, as her family had hired a private investigator to track her down, and they'd effectively kidnapped her and taken her away.

    Then I left that lifestyle behind.

    Also, I like Dutch Schultz.

    But I think it would have been better if their name was Dutch [i:c7244ce120]Schulz[/i:c7244ce120], as a tribute to the late 'Charlie Brown and Friends' creator.

    Although he might possibly have objected to the pole dancers.
  49. avatar Chi-Lite
    Aye apparently we played with them before, so they must be good. Good set of fellas too.

    I'm just off on a neo-Greer one, since the recant. Free sex didn't empower women, it just meant that lots of men were getting free sex, I remember her saying one time, probably in response to something said by Mark Kermode.

    Everyone's a winner though, that's the truth. new single, video, tits, Corona that must have been smuggled in, what more could you want
  50. avatar Pavel
    Chi-Lite - it isn't even worth giving you a proper response because you made an arse of yourself by para-phrasing my quote to suit your own agenda.

    Well done, you might as well go and work for The Sun.

    As for the Corona, it was free-flowing all weekend at UnCon so it must've stuck in my mind - my apologies Desus.

    If anyone else has any arcane opinions on sex, please feel free to share them. It's always hilarious when someone thinks that men are the only gender to benefit from the act of having sex.

    ...last I looked, women quite enjoy having it too. :wink:

    EDIT: You'd think after around two thousand years of female repression by the (male dominated) houses of religion that we'd have got somewhere by now; but no - men still view women having sex as wrong.

    Take a biscuit Chi, you deserve wan...
  51. avatar Chi-Lite
    Pavel;

    I don't think i really [i:8ee1dda5d2]paraphrased[/i:8ee1dda5d2] you.

    I cut out the words "having the balls to" because it wasn't really relevant.

    Talk about women having sex all you want, that isn't at issue.

    At issue is women gyrating in front of horny young boys for their pleasure, which you seem to think is "empowering".

    You're right, it's not really worth an argument, but don't be trying to imply that I'm now the sexist, and think it's wrong for women to have sex.

    As I made clear, I was actually outlining the reconsidered view of Germaine Greer, who, rightly, in my opinion, saw the so-called "sexual liberation" of women as resulting merely in the liberation of men to treat women as sex objects, but to do so under the guise of "equality", or "sexual liberation".

    So, in what way is it empowering and not degrading to parade yourself as a sex object in front of pubescent students?

    I don't mean to put a slur on the women in question, who can do whatever they want, and feel whatever way they want top feel about it...or on the band, who just put on a show.

    but don't be making out that I'm now the sexist because I don't happen to think that it is "empowering"
  52. avatar Pavel
    [quote:e771874616="Chi-Lite"]At issue is women gyrating in front of horny young boys for their pleasure, which you seem to think is "empowering".[/quote:e771874616]

    ...so the fact that they had the attention of every man in the room, and held that power passes you by then does it?

    Who do you think is really in control in that situation?

    Mmm, that you can't see past your own male ego is sexist whether you want to deny that or not mate.

    ...and you did para-phrase me, don't lie. No one likes a liar.

    Take care.
  53. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:7863ebd193="Pavel"]...so the fact that they had the attention of every man in the room, and held that power passes you by then does it?[/quote:7863ebd193]

    Sure that's why margaret thatcher had a pole fitted at 10 downing st - she knew the only way to keep them fellas listening to her was to come up with new ways to hand power to the banks [i:7863ebd193]whilst hanging upside down off a pole[/i:7863ebd193]. Then she went home to her kids, blacked up and put on show for them. Wadda woman.

    Plus - your quote about men (and I'll copy and paste it cos I know you hate being paraphrased) where you say "men still view women having sex as wrong" is clearly right. I mean, I remember as a student my girlfriend tried to have sex with me and I was like "what the hell!? - back to church with you ya slut".
  54. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ha, it's good to see that there's one man with the balls to stand up for the right of women to parade themselves for men to look at. Now that's [i:62c53b9db4]real[/i:62c53b9db4] power

    I've never really thought about it, but I'd imagine there's two kinds of sexism; the type that wants to deny women their sexuality, and the type that view women solely as sexual objects.

    This isn't really an argument, because it's completely debatable whether pole-dancing should be (or is) seen in that way....plus I don't want to be casting aspersions on these particular girls, fair play til them, and I'm sure they enjoyed it...

    but don't try to make me out to be a sexist, son, because I don't happen to agree that displaying sexuality gives women any power, other than the power to allow men to look at them.

    And not only that, deceitfully, you did so by somehow shoe-horning religion into the debate, which has fuck all to do with it.

    Women should have power to run the country and make proper decisions for themselves and others. They already have the power to allow men to look at them.

    Next you'll be holding up the Spice Girls as paragons of feminist virtue.

    Sure it's Girl Power, isn't it. Grrrrrlll Power.
  55. avatar Nic231
    This is Jo & Nic- We were the pole dancers from Thursday night. From reading the comments we are really quite baffled! You all read wayyy too much into it! First of all Poledancing is just another form of dance which happens to be associated with "raunch culture" however this does not mean we dance for the benefit of anyone but ourselves. It's just another way of keeping fit and having fun! Rather than spending hours on a running machine we prefer to spin round on a pole & have a great oul chin wag with the girls, it's not about empowering women however, it is about improving self confidence & self-esteem.

    Just because someone mentioned that some "pre-pubescent" student got chucked out for playing pocket billiards doesn't mean that it actually happened or was anything to do with us... So rather than just speculate come and find out for yourselves what polercise is all about, who knows you might just enjoy it!

    With Love :D
    Jo & Nic
  56. avatar barrypeak
    The best piece of graffiti I've ever seen was scrawled on an American Apparel billboard on Houston street in Manhattan.

    Gee, I wonder why women get raped.
  57. avatar T Entertainment
    Don't get that: are we saying pole dancing does / does not encourage rape? Or 'risqué' advertising does / does not encourage rape, for that matter? Which?
  58. avatar Nic231
    http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/aa.jpg thi is what Barry is talking about. Not sure what it's got to do with anything on here

    xxx
  59. avatar tenrabbits
    By 'best' I presume you mean 'most morally off the fucking chart' Barry?! Or is the wearing of Burkas the only way to stop us men chundering round town raping anything in a short skirt? It's their own fault you know..
  60. avatar T Entertainment
    [i:a65e156dba]Surely[/i:a65e156dba] no one is implying that pole dancing or scantily clad models in adverts puts participants or women in general at risk of rape? Or that women should bear that in mind before indulging in either?
    Very popular in Afghanistan in the late nineties, and making a bit of a comeback at the minute I believe.
  61. avatar barrypeak
    Okay!

    I think both represent the creeping normalisation of actions and images previously only seen in pornography into mainstream society.
    This is potentially harmful for a number of reasons but here's a couple...
    Firstly, it promotes a powerful of ideology of femininity which tells girls that unless they conform to certain norms of behaviour and codes of dress they are not "normal" women.
    Secondly, it plants a seed in the minds of young men that all women should be sexually available at all times and if they're not there's something wrong with them.

    Bye!
  62. avatar isis
    I would love to do an interview with Dutch Sh's and Polersize for Take in The Scene. If anyone has a contact or you are involved with either I would love it if you got in touch. This wont be an attack on either party it will be an interview.
    Hope to hear from you both soon.
    Kindest Regards
    Jennifer
  63. avatar T Entertainment
    Fair enough, Barry, and cogently made. I'm just not comfortable with anything which appears (the ad graffiti for instance) to shift responsibility in any way from the rapist to the victim (and I'm taking as read that both of us find the crime equally abhorent, that's not the debate).

    Basically I don't think pole-dancing at a rock gig is part of a slippery slope, inappropriate or insulting to women.
    I'm not convinced it endangers women either to any degree but if it was proven that it did...what then? Should women feel compelled to ameliorate their behaviour because of the possible actions of potential sex offenders? Because that to me really is the thin end of the wedge. Where does that end? Bikini-like clothing was generally only seen in 'porn' up until the mid part of the last century. The same arguments were made when women began to wear such attire more commonly.
  64. avatar trepanner
    [quote:e9b08890f6="barrypeak"]Firstly, it promotes a powerful of ideology of femininity which tells girls that unless they conform to certain norms of behaviour and codes of dress they are not "normal" women.
    Secondly, it plants a seed in the minds of young men that all women should be sexually available at all times and if they're not there's something wrong with them.

    Bye![/quote:e9b08890f6]

    Is there anything by way of study or evidence to bear that out? From limited observation, the balance of power at say, a strip-show, seems to me to lie in a different place than where you see it lying; is there any correlation between men attending such performances and sex crime?

    The first one is even harder to observe evidence for, but I just can't buy that most women will see a woman pole dancing and feel inadequate as a result, any more than you or I would feel inadequate by seeing Diet Coke Guy's pecs on the telly, or for that matter a guy in a band with his shirt off?

    I have big issues with the suggestion that we're all potential sex offenders just waiting for the right stimuli to make us act, I guess. I dislike it both because it seems to negate personal responsibility, and like the argument against, for example, violence in movies, it's a fundamentally elitist one - "This product will make some people behave badly (but not me, of course)" is the angle of thinking other people are somehow inferior in their moral structure, unless you're prepared to add "I personally won't watch this because I fear it would make me a sex offender"?
  65. avatar Di Di Mau
    i heard some pubs were still open on a Sunday too. :shock:

    isis pm me and i'll put you in touch with the band
  66. avatar barrypeak
    Oh bother,
    I knew this was a mistake.
    But to answer a couple of points put directly...
    There is evidence which shows a correlation between frequent use of pornography and aggressive sexual behaviour.
    The idea that the balance of power in strip clubs lies with the performers is a myth.
    There is evidence to show that the self esteem of teenage girls is negatively affected by sexual imagery.
    The pubs on Sunday analogy misses the point completely.

    Right, I'm off on holiday.
  67. avatar Di Di Mau
    the pubs analogy was just in reference to how easily certain people in this country are to get a rise out of, and how it's becomming slowly crippled as a result. If dancers dancing is the most rock n roll thing this scene has seen in recent months then we are severely in trouble. It's not porn, i've seen men wearing less than the girls from Polercise queuing up to the M-Club and I've seen couples actually having sex on the dancefloor in some pubs (which i do have very strong issues with) Also, for the last time...Pole Dancing and stripping are 2 very different things. to compare the two because a stripper uses a pole in her routine is like calling on the police to ban handcuffs because of the sexual connotations
  68. avatar T Entertainment
    "If dancers dancing is the most rock n roll thing this scene has seen in recent months then we are severely in trouble."


    There is that, too.
  69. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:6a3ba057c0="barrypeak"]There is evidence which shows a correlation between frequent use of pornography and aggressive sexual behaviour.
    The idea that the balance of power in strip clubs lies with the performers is a myth.
    There is evidence to show that the self esteem of teenage girls is negatively affected by sexual imagery.
    [/quote:6a3ba057c0]

    All interesting points - however there's no pornography that I can see here, just girls dancing round a pole; they're not strippers; and whether or not it was sexual imagery there shouldn't be any young girls in club watching a rock gig.

    ..and that graffiti is wrong on so many levels - seriously, that's basically the theory the taliban use to make women cover up head to toe.
  70. avatar boarsheadtaverncheapside
    That american apparel ad, where do u start on that? are they selling u their sh*tty clothes or the model's ass?
    That's the point like, it's set up to provoke desire, offer product to assauge desire, product turns out to just be a sh*tty jumper or whatever, point is the desire/anxiety or whatever is never resolved. I think that's the point anyway.