1. avatar Deestroyer
    Does anyone else get cramp in their right hand when playing gigs? I can practice for three hours without a niggle, but after 20 mins on stage my right hand cramps up and I have to continue with my hand in a claw like grip that looks like I have a disability. Has anyone experienced this or have any ideas how to get rid of it? Thinking of slinging my guitar lower or something.

    Answers strewn with innuendo are most welcome...
  2. avatar T Entertainment
    Sounds like you're tense when performing.
    Couple of valium before going on?
  3. avatar fopp
    [quote:0a3c9a0729="Deestroyer"]Thinking of slinging my guitar lower or something.[/quote:0a3c9a0729]


    How would that help, unless of course you have it slung up at your neck?

    Would it increase the indie coolness and thereby relieve the symptons.
  4. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:941630bda1="fopp"][quote:941630bda1="Deestroyer"]Thinking of slinging my guitar lower or something.[/quote:941630bda1]


    How would that help, unless of course you have it slung up at your neck?

    Would it increase the music not belonging to or affiliated with a major record company coolness and thereby relieve the symptons.[/quote:941630bda1]

    I don't play in an indie band. I was just thinking it might have been the angle of my hand that was the issue, and someone might have experienced something similar in setting their guitar height. I'm just hoping it's easily remedied is all.
    Jeez, what's wrong with you?
  5. avatar yurwell
    i say indulge in a bit of knuckle children more frequently

    y'kno, condition the muscles in the hand an that..
  6. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:a61f4903e1="yurwell"]i say indulge in a bit of knuckle children more frequently

    y'kno, condition the muscles in the hand an that..[/quote:a61f4903e1]

    ON IT.
  7. avatar trepanner
    Apologies in advance :

    It's plainly got something to do with Fingers Vs. Plectrum.
  8. avatar Danny Lynch
    i get this, but more often in my left hand if im playin alot of barre chords. the bit of my palm below my thumb and on into my wrist get stiff as hell and makes it difficult to play. is probably something to do with the shape of my hand while playin.. but its annoyin. what is it with the music not affiliated... etc.. a slaggin match doesnt need to start every time its mentioned. jeez
  9. avatar PhatBob
    Yeah I used to get this in my left hand from playing barre chords a lot - I think if you change the angle of your hold on the neck it'll get better. Its to do with the way you hold your arm and bend your wrist. I never used to get it when playing in the house but did when I was out - think its because the shape of the body's different if you're sitting down practising as I was at home, vs standing.

    I want to start a band now called Right Hand Cramp.
  10. avatar captain a
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramps#Treatment
  11. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:42b5a2aee5="PhatBob"]Yeah I used to get this in my left hand from playing barre chords a lot - I think if you change the angle of your hold on the neck it'll get better. Its to do with the way you hold your arm and bend your wrist. I never used to get it when playing in the house but did when I was out - think its because the shape of the body's different if you're sitting down practising as I was at home, vs standing.

    I want to start a band now called Right Hand Cramp.[/quote:42b5a2aee5]

    Yeah, that's why I thought changing the height of my guitar would help the cramp. I think it's a combination of these things and the old nervous tension creeping in, like some kind of lactic acid spectre.

    Right Hand Cramp would be a great band name...
  12. avatar Big Homeless
    could be the tension, that Chris suggested, i get it when i paddle due to tensing up, but maybe warming up (not stretching mind) may help.
  13. avatar SweetDickWilly
    Here are you alright sun?
  14. avatar nonlogic liam
    The cramp thing is quite common, even in pianists. There are two obvious reasons:
    1. Nervousness: which sets your hand in a static position which leads to cramp. If you don't want to go down the drug road try breathing exercises, also use the old ballet [silent t] trick and focus on a member of the audience at the back so that it appears that your looking at all your adoring fans (naturally this won't work in a venue like Auntie Annies). Usually this helps get over nervousness.
    2. You failed to warm up: If it's your right hand go through some scales and chord positions before you go on stage (usually 15 minutes should be enough). If it's your left hand try some strumming exercises, also placing your hand in a boll of warm water can help loosen up your hand.
  15. avatar Deestroyer
    Good advice nonlogic, cheers.

    "Here are you alright sun?"

    I am alright sun, just my wee paw gets sore. :(

    It's my strumming hand that cramps up, might try the warming up and back of the room stare, maybe I'll even do a wink.
  16. avatar unplugged
    had this. its to do with the angle of your hand when standing onstage you cant put as much power into the barre chords resulting in strain on hand muscles and tendons.

    as for right hand, it sounds like you are tense onstage. i never have had that but in left hand yes, mainly as my takamine has 0.12 strings on it and even though barre chords feel easy they do take their toll after 3 hours
  17. avatar fopp
    Get well soon.
  18. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:c94425fc2f="fopp"]Get well soon.[/quote:c94425fc2f]

    Hanku.
  19. avatar remaderyan
    I get this a lot, because your playing that wee bit harder(and louder) when you've got adrenaline going you get the cramp, i tend to get it in both hands making me play really cack handed.

    What I found that helps is that you need to sit and play scales for half an hour before you go on-stage. I'm talking as soon as the band before you goes on stage, get your instrument out and play through their entire set. Also i found that if you take your right hand in your left with thumbs facing and rub your left thumb into your palm quite firmly in circles it can improve the circulation.

    Its a bit of a bitch cos you'll find that 20mins into set your hands are fucked and you cant nail that solo or stuff.
    Best thing to do is have A pint or two to relax yourself.
  20. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:7d8d933300="remaderyan"]I get this a lot, because your playing that wee bit harder(and louder) when you've got adrenaline going you get the cramp, i tend to get it in both hands making me play really cack handed.[/quote:7d8d933300]

    Nice, I'll try that. I am actually just quite relieved I'm not some freak and the only one that gets this. Cheers everyone.
  21. avatar Thedevilsfavouriteson
    drink water while yr on stage and abit before.beer does not count as water.jack bowers 24 energy drink does not count as water.
  22. avatar Axemadman
    Don't just play scales before going on stage - that's not enough for warming up. Its good enough to get the blood flowing but not good for much else and won't stop you cramping up.

    You need to stretch your muscles. In your arms, hands and fingers. This will help you relive the tension in your body and shoulders.

    Check this link.

    [url]http://www.musicianshealth.com/stretches.htm[/url]

    Also, avoid caffeine. Sports drinks (Redbull is not a sports drink) are good as they give you the necessary minerals to get your muscles on top form. That's why sports people drink them.

    Drink one 20 mins or so before hitting the stage. Then water on stage.

    Also, do the stretches before you practise. Make it part of your practice not just a ritual before you hit the stage.

    Practice stamina licks to build your endurance.

    I hope this helps. I use to have cramping issues. Now I don't and have played 2 hour plus sets without cramping.


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  23. avatar stevieo
    The advice about tension is good. Also when sitting down, slowly stand up without altering the position of your right hand, simple but it does work!
  24. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:8d660e1fc0="stevieo"]The advice about tension is good. Also when sitting down, slowly stand up without altering the position of your right hand, simple but it does work![/quote:8d660e1fc0]

    What? Like what a robot might do? I'll try it, although it does sound silly. I think I'll try the tension exercises first though, I'm sure that'll have multiple benefits.
  25. avatar Backtrack
    My first post!
    I'll join up even if you call the band "Lactic Acid" or maybe especially if you do! Seriously, I find this happens when I have not had enough water and salt in my diet. A little sodium does wonders for cramping up. especially on cold nights when you haven't warmed up enough.

    Good luck!
  26. avatar SHH
    This will sound gay as fook, but buy yourself a bottle of baby oil and about an hour or less before you play, massage the arm from near the elbow right up to your hand, using the palm to knead the larger areas of the forearm as well as using the thumb to run along it like a fine comb to get into the finer bits.

    Don't forget also to stretch your fingers and arms every day, preferably when you've woken up as your muscles will be more relaxed from lying dormant during your sleep, this'll make life a little bit easier.

    If it starts to cause pain, go see a doc, a friend of mine who's a pro sax player/session musician has just found out he has tension induced tendonitis, which is gonna need surgery to calm down, if that'll even work, and it can put you out for months.

    Hope that helps

    Peace
  27. avatar Deestroyer
    It's been sometime since I had the problem, so I can give you an update of what actually worked.
    Drinking water a little bit before going on stage had immediate success, so thanks to whoever posted that. I also now do a bit of a Rocky style warm up before I go on, which is also good for gettin psyched up and ready to melt faces. So thanks to everyone who made suggestions.
  28. avatar SweetDickWilly
    Yay!!! I love happy endings.
  29. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:e89184c2c5="SweetDickWilly"]Yay!!! I love happy endings.[/quote:e89184c2c5]
    I'm gonna rub you in baby oil.
  30. avatar feline1
    Perhaps your right hand is a bit gay?
  31. avatar Deestroyer
    [quote:21c6672d95="feline1"]Perhaps your right hand is a bit gay?[/quote:21c6672d95]
    Because gay people get cramp?
  32. avatar feline1
    well it's better than crabs
  33. avatar Deestroyer
    Nothing is better than a crab. The Panzer tank of the animal world, the robocop of amphibians, the Alien's Loader machine of crustaceans. I love crabs and their weird little mouths.
  34. avatar feline1
    I would google a picture of a public louse for you, but I'm at work right now...

    Just remember: A LOUSE IS NOT A HOME
  35. avatar thecomeons_2
    [quote:268cc63169="PhatBob"]I never used to get it when playing in the house but did when I was out - think its because the shape of the body's different if you're sitting down practising as I was at home, vs standing.[/quote:268cc63169]
    i hated practising while sitting. i liked to practise like it was a gig - ie standing up and playing loud.

    i never really cramped up on stage, but i sure as hell ended up deaf!