1. avatar Amz
    I applied to the electoal register a few months back, but they came back saying they needed to verify my address and and I'd have to bring proof to the office basically.

    Anyhow, in true fashion for meself, i forgot all about it once I was gonna have to get the time to go to their office.

    Today, I came home to a rather threateningly worded letter saying if I ignore it, i may be prosecute and fined 1,000.

    I know I should value my vote, and I should have registered before...but I'm now intrigued as to what countries fine you for not registering? I see their logic behind it, but I resent the fact of being threatened with a fine (when i fecking contacted them in the first place).

    The letter is really strongly worded - no further warning, police blah blah blah. I have no problem sorting this (I'm assuming it's something with me being from Donegal but I've been living in the north since I was 17 and I've been canceled on the register down south).

    It just seems out of order to me. Maybe it's the norm, but it just feels like bullying to me (certainly this letter feels that way).
  2. avatar The enfant terrible
    It's all about keeping tabs on people. I got one of those months ago and still haven't replied to it. If I got a fine I wouldn't pay it.
  3. avatar rentaghost
    I Australia it is illegal NOT to vote.
  4. avatar Steven Dedalus
    Frankly, it should probably be illegal TO vote in this country.

    I mean, if we're supposedly the people that voted for our current politicians, then what the hell do we know?
  5. avatar rentaghost
    we know that the next time we have an election we make different choices.
  6. avatar Amz
    Forgot about Australia...

    So ya reckon some day our politicans will actually meet? Or will we just continue to pay their wages while they refuse to do anything?

    Anyhow, I contacted them as I WANTED to register my vote, it was the threatening letter that followed which just makes me angry.

    They also don't make it widely known that there's 1000 fine, as loads of people I've been talking to didn't know squat about it.
  7. avatar JTM
    I got a similar letter, having lived over the water for the last while, I did the unthinkable and responded to them. I was disgusted at the Orwellian tone of the response when I failed to provide the correct details - it almost made me want to NOT register on principle. That said I can't take the chance of getting a fine like that. I'd like to hear if this is enforced against anyone.
  8. avatar thesacredhearts
    They did make mention to it on all the tv ad's last yer with yon bint from the hole in the wall gang.
  9. avatar Pete
    I got one of those a while back too because I stayed on the register at my parents address even though I've changed everything else to my new address. Must have been about 6 months ago now and I forgot to do anything about it. Never heard another thing. I agree the tone of the letter is enough to get anyone's back up. It's not like they sent me a few gentle reminders before this final demand.

    Still, I guess I should contact them now just incase.
  10. avatar T Entertainment
    I haven't been registered to vote in ten years and phoned them recently to do so (having vaguely noticed this fine threat in the news).
    That was over two months ago and I've still had nowt.
  11. avatar Daz
    I got the forms through the door when I moved into my last house. I just ignored them, mostly because I don't like big brother. Nothing happened, and that was over a year ago.
  12. avatar JTM
    So, if you ignore the letter, nothing happens. But play by the rules and let them know you're there, and it's threats and fines?

    GRRR!
  13. avatar Amz
    [quote:e47a20f06b="JTM"]So, if you ignore the letter, nothing happens. But play by the rules and let them know you're there, and it's threats and fines?

    GRRR![/quote:e47a20f06b]

    Exactly. It's probably empty threats. I'm not bothered by the enforcement of registering. I do have a problem with threatening nature of the letter, the lack of respect etc.

    I'm gonna try to not be angry going into their office later, but alas, i think i may fail.
  14. avatar rentaghost
    you should see the warning letters the TV license people send you!
  15. avatar Amz
    [quote:96c0c710ef="rentaghost"]you should see the warning letters the TV license people send you![/quote:96c0c710ef]

    The one thing about TV license letters, is that they are numerous... and get gradually worse in my experience.

    This one is worse in my opinion. The TV License one just seems like a general threat. The electorial one is written in a language directed AT you. Plus, there's no politish inbetween. No 'warm' up letter.

    Anyway, cured TV license letters by getting a license. Gonna bloody go down and give the electoral peeps what they want. but gurrrrrrghhhhhh....
  16. avatar rinky
    [quote:24c3794c09="rentaghost"]you should see the warning letters the TV license people send you![/quote:24c3794c09]

    Speaking of which:

    http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/10/31/bbc-admits-that-tv-d.html
  17. avatar tenrabbits
    That's pretty interesting, considering the BBC has nothing to do with collecting the licence fee.
  18. avatar rinky
    [quote:71899947a5="tenrabbits"]That's pretty interesting, considering the BBC has nothing to do with collecting the licence fee.[/quote:71899947a5]

    An absolute fallacy. The BBC may not receive license fee funds directly from it's collection operation, but it is responsible for overseeing this process, including subcontracting to those companies who drive the supposed fleet of detection vans.

    Would have thought you'd know more about where your wages come from ;)

    [quote=The BBC]Who collects the licence?
    Collection of the licence fee is the responsibility of the BBC. [/quote]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open_consultations/tv_licence.html
  19. avatar tenrabbits
    No.. I think you'll find it's not. The bbc licence fee is collected by independent companies (most notably Capita), who are under no obligation to reveal how they do what they do, even to us.

    The reason I'm fairly certain about this, is because as an engineer I wanted to have a look at the detector vans, because I've heard as much crap about them as anybody else, and no-one in my department (including guys who've been here 40 plus years) had been in one. I did find out one way they work though, having spoken to a guy in Capita once, and it's both stupidly simple and I can only imagine very effective, but there are plenty of theories among the engineers how they might work.

    As however, that article states that the BBC admits detector vans only work because the public think they do, it's balls, cos although the bbc contracts companies to collect the fee, [i:9e2363cb81]they have nothing to do with the technology involved[/i:9e2363cb81]
  20. avatar tenrabbits
    Hmm.. interesting that after stating responsibility for collecting the licence fee is the BBC's, they then state:


    [quote:ad02bf0feb]Administration of the collection and enforcement of the television licensing system is carried out by TV Licensing, which is a trading name used by the companies contracted by the BBC to do this[/quote:ad02bf0feb]

    Therefore I think we're at cross-purposes here - and I stick by my original statement. The collection of the licence fee is nothing to do with the BBC, it's done by a bunch of third party companies.
  21. avatar rinky
    [quote:7a67cfb6be]As however, that article states that the BBC admits detector vans only work because the public think they do, it's balls, cos although the bbc contracts companies to collect the fee, they have nothing to do with the technology involved[/quote:7a67cfb6be]

    Your previous comment mentioned nothing of the technology, only that the BBC had "nothing to do with collecting the license fee", when it clearly has [i:7a67cfb6be]everything[/i:7a67cfb6be] to do with it. The article stems from a Freedom of Information request, which the BBC is obliged to respond to as the sole responsible party for collection of the license fee (including all aspects of the collection process - not Capita, nor any of the other subcontractors).

    Which is why the request had to be made to the BBC and why it was the BBC who responded with the following;

    "if [the BBC] did so it would damage the public's perception of the effectiveness of TV detector vans," the report says. "... It relies on the public perception that the vans could be used at any time to catch evaders....Revealing technical information would result in the loss of the "deterrent effect," and, hence, "a significant number of people would decide not to pay their licence fee."

    This is as good as an admission that the detector vans and handheld units have been simply a scare tactic employed for decades in tv licensing advertising.

    While I fully believe you that you or your department have been nowhere near a detection van - do you really believe that subcontractors such as Capita are taken to perform a critical task in the running of the BBC without somebody, even in the higher echelons of the company being aware of the ins and outs of this 'secret' detection technology?

    EDIT: As I said previously, it doesn't matter how many subcontractors are involved, or what role they take - the BBC is solely responsible for all aspects of license fee collection.
  22. avatar tenrabbits
    Edit: Never mind.. I don't think we're getting anywhere here - I'm certain the beeb don't have anything to do with licence fee collection and tech (at least not since it was outsourced) and you are. C'est la vie.
  23. avatar unplugged
    bar looking through your living room window and seeing you watching the 42" LCD screen there is little they can do to you.

    But....your on the list.....oh right - 'the list'

    sorry
  24. avatar whosbainejakey
    [url=http://www.tvlicensing.biz/wpblog/index.php]Ahem.[/url]