1. avatar donly
    My first post!
    'Up the Anti'

    Thursday 6th November 4pm
    Wild Willy's Steakhouse, Bedfrod Street, Belfast

    Belfast is often portrayed as a city of two opposing cultures, but throughout the recent history many have chosen to align themselves with a third. The often bleak setting young people in Belfast found themselves in meant that many, feeling no affinity with either of the traditional tribes, through themselves enthusiastically into the music scene. And if that scene embodied a rejection of the status quo, a resounding ?Up Yours? to the establishment, then all the better.

    So as we look back now on the 70?s and 80?s and the people, places, songs, clubs and nights that helped form Belfast as we see it today, many of them are rooted in a level of anti-establishment feeling that had a particular resonance.

    Anti is about documenting this part of our culture, ensuring that when people look at the cultural history of Belfast they get more than two tribes.

    We aim to identify 10/12 iconic subjects and produce an exhibition and publication looking at their impact on individuals and Belfast as a whole. And we need you to help us decide who/what/where or when they are

    Your nominations for anti could be places like the Limelight, Ulster Hall or Art College, people like David Holmes, Terri Hooley, Shell Shock Rock, Giros, U2 in Botanic, Nirvana in Kings Hall, The Clash, Sugar Sweet, Alternative Ulster, Teenage Kicks, Shine, Rudi, Orbital ?Belfast?, Belfast City Breakers, The Outcasts, Good Vibrations.
  2. avatar confetti
    The Pound
  3. avatar jenniemcc
    [img:e305053436]http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/bruised_fruit/AntiInvite.jpg[/img:e305053436]
  4. avatar tinpot anto
    The TPO.


    But what is this? A gig? An exhibition? A film? In the waterfront? In Wild Willy's Steakhouse? In Liverpool?

    Wha? Wha? Wha? :D
  5. avatar rinky
    When representing a night celebrating trailblazers and subcultural innovators it might be a good idea not to awkwardly crib from another design (and a fairly well-known one at that).

    [img:35e7a66295]http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/f6/a/AAAAAq2pvssAAAAAAPakBA.jpg[/img:35e7a66295]


    http://www.experimentaljetset.nl/archive/tshirtism_intro.html
  6. avatar Bones
    I do like a good old fashioned Up Yours! to the establishment, sponsored by the establishment. Meaningless.
  7. avatar tinpot anto
    [img:6c86d4d5b8]http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/chef05.jpg[/img:6c86d4d5b8]

    [i:6c86d4d5b8]"nibbles"[/i:6c86d4d5b8]

    :lol:
  8. avatar rentaghost
    Bars/Venues: The Pound, The Club Bar, Lavery's, Robinsons, The Washington

    Bands: Rudi, The Defects (I have old photos of gigs my dad ran if that's any help)
  9. avatar T Entertainment
    Karen, wot no Ziggies? Drury Lane? :p
  10. avatar rentaghost
    I was assuming they were looking for more of a punk thing than a rock thing?

    Anyway - I SAID Robinsons. The back bar in Robinsons was much better than Ziggies. It was all tudor beams and shelves of old books. Ziggies was pink neon spandex hell.

    The Drury Lane was only relevant for a brief period in the early 90s when Robinsons was a burnt out shell.
  11. avatar rentaghost
    The Clash gig that started the whole 'SS RUC' thing should definitely be in there.
  12. avatar goatboy
    I would most certainly like to see the Ooops "Social Scum" Irish tour (sponsored by Terry Hooley's Good Vibrations) in there.

    That was one hell of a tour alright!
  13. avatar Daithi jasper
    [quote:ed2c703221]The Clash gig that started the whole 'SS RUC' thing should definitely be in there.[/quote:ed2c703221]

    There was a show on about the civil rights movement a couple of weeks ago and you could hear people shouting SS RUC in 1969 in Derry. :)
  14. avatar Strong Reaction
    I like nibbles.

    What about The Penny Farthing?

    There's always something alternative going on. It's a shame these things are never supported at the time, just gazed on with teary eyes by those who never took part.
  15. avatar tinpot anto
    [quote:0c3a762f27]Your nominations for anti could be places like the Limelight, Ulster Hall or Art College, people like David Holmes, Terri Hooley, Shell Shock Rock, Giros, U2 in Botanic, Nirvana in Kings Hall, The Clash, Sugar Sweet, Alternative Ulster, Teenage Kicks, Shine, Rudi, Orbital ?Belfast?, Belfast City Breakers, The Outcasts, Good Vibrations. [/quote:0c3a762f27]

    At least 80% of that list are the Establishment - U2 in Botanic like? The Ulster Hall?


    Giro's is about it, being outside the mainstream and anti-establishment are not the same thing.

    I still don't know what this is? Anyone? Film screening? Movement piece? Debate? Kebab?
  16. avatar The Fires of Hell
    I dont get it - why on earth would either the Limelight (like, as a bar that hosts gigs, unless its been a secret Bader Meinhoff hangout this last decade?), Nirvana at the Kings Hall (again, a gig wholly and completely uninvolved re this place... big wow), U2 at Botanic (what was the protest slant to this one?) or Shine got to do with any kind of anti-establishment sentiment that's conspicuously failed to erupt in Northern Irish music?

    The average Roysta gig was more off the scale than any of that barrel scraping lot, and as for the 70s punk contingent, who on earth still cares?

    Ever depressing circles...

    [quote:cc652db554]
    It's a shame these things are never supported at the time, just gazed on with teary eyes by those who never took part.[/quote:cc652db554]

    Nail on the head there as well. Trying to co-opt the real alternative with assistance from the establishment. A bit of an embarassing position.
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  17. avatar churchwarden
    [quote:d2bd141780]The back bar in Robinsons was much better than Ziggies. It was all tudor beams and shelves of old books. Ziggies was pink neon spandex hell.[/quote:d2bd141780]

    ..but it was amusing as the choosen few still kept going for a while and they still had Zep and Floyd on the juke box in this "grease is the word" style vomitorium - no idea who Robinson's thought Ziggie's was aimed at.

    The Orpheus down at the art college and the Crescent in Sandy Row had altenative gigs, but Giros was about the only real alternative venue - the rest it was really down to the management at any given time - though the front page always appears to have been pretty open minded when it came to putting on a wide range of music
  18. avatar jenniemcc
    Anto - the event on 6th is really the launch of this whole 'Anti' thing. Bit of food, few bands, bit of street theatre, that kinda craic.

    Over the next year or so there will be various other events, debates, films, gigs and what not taking place so people will have the chance to nominate and discuss who or what the 'Anti-heroes' are, and what heritage means to them in the alternative sense.
  19. avatar T Entertainment
    "the Limelight, Ulster Hall or Art College, people like David Holmes, Terri Hooley, Shell Shock Rock, Giros, U2 in Botanic, Nirvana in Kings Hall, The Clash, Sugar Sweet, Alternative Ulster, Teenage Kicks, Shine, Rudi, Orbital ?Belfast?, Belfast City Breakers, The Outcasts, Good Vibrations."

    Hooley, Shell Shock Rock, The Clash 'riot', Alternative Ulster, Rudi, the Outcasts and Good Vibrations - ok, that's NI punk. That is I suppose a credible 'thing' (1), although God knows it appears to have been remembered and marked more times locally than the moon landing.

    The Ulster Hall, Limelight and Art College are just venues! Shockingly, every other town and city in the UK and ROI has them. Yes they hosted gigs during The Troubles but most other things went on then as well. Aside from occasional, particularly violent spasms, Normal Life Went On For Most People, Most Of The Time. And for the past decade those venues have existed in an environment no different than anywhere else on the island / GB.
    When will we let go of our 'special status'? As that could be the only reason to include perfectly ordinary venues.

    The U2 and Nirvana gig were just gigs - successful commercial ventures. I was at both of them, they weren't epoch-defining moments then or in retrospect. (They weren't even particularly great gigs, IMO, but whatever). Loads of bands played here from the eighties onwards. Why on earth should they symbolize [i:1229abacbe]our[/i:1229abacbe] 'heritage'? We weren't picked out as special cases, we were on huge tour itineraries.

    Giro's is an exception, and it's ironic that funding bodies like the council are now getting behind a potential commemoration - they certainly weren't waving grants at it back in the day AFAIK (and I am not advocating they should or shouldn't have been). But it certainly bears out Ian's point.
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  20. avatar spirit of division
    I'm off to trade my soul for a copy of smash hits and have done with it. When I get to the end I just might watch big brother and maybe listen to some of those alternative type bands like Oasis and write an angry letter to my mp about the state of the union.

    Actually I'm going to eat tofu and kill myself.
  21. avatar Baronation
    I demand that time that Reef played be considered.
  22. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:a07b4c07ab="donly"]
    Your nominations for anti could be places like the Limelight, Ulster Hall or Art College, people like David Holmes, Terri Hooley, Shell Shock Rock, Giros, U2 in Botanic, Nirvana in Kings Hall, The Clash, Sugar Sweet, Alternative Ulster, Teenage Kicks, Shine, Rudi, Orbital ?Belfast?, Belfast City Breakers, The Outcasts, Good Vibrations.[/quote:a07b4c07ab]

    What about the Simply Red concert where Johnny Adair got shot? More political than thon hyped up oul clash bollocks.
  23. avatar T Entertainment
    It was UB40 (and he almost certainly made it up anyway).
  24. avatar spirit of division
    the day baron was born.
  25. avatar tinpot anto
    [quote:d242361b12]Anto - the event on 6th is really the launch of this whole 'Anti' thing. Bit of food, few bands, bit of street theatre, that kinda craic. [/quote:d242361b12]

    Will there be a chance to say "Sure nah!". At many of the ideas presented.

    VICO's has a good stab.
  26. avatar The Fires of Hell
    Rock Bottom.

    If it wasnt for that place Metalireland would never have been born. Motorbike and all.
  27. avatar tinpot anto
    Giro's
    Vico's
    Cresecent Arts Centre
    Rock Bottom Bar
    BX

    Are we really just left to choose from the best place in Belfast with a suspect approach to the liquor licensing laws?
  28. avatar pauldoherty
    I dont get this at all? It dosent sound as if its been thought through very well....U2 and Nirvana in Belfast made me laugh though....
  29. avatar thebatgranny
    [quote:2aaf045e40="tinpot anto"]Giro's
    Vico's
    Cresecent Arts Centre
    Rock Bottom Bar
    BX
    [/quote:2aaf045e40]

    Add the Menagerie to that list and you're spot on.
  30. avatar rentaghost
    Rock Bottom didnt appear until the 90's.


    And why is everyone forgetting the 80's U2 gigs in Maysfield and the Kings Hall? What has the one in Botanic have to do with anything?
  31. avatar Daithi jasper
    But the one in Botanic had this bit where a giant plan flew over and all the spot lights hit on it and followed it across the sky and everyone was like, wow, U2 have really pulled out all the stops for this one, but really it was just a plane going to Aldergrove. That's probably why it's in the list though. At a guess.
  32. avatar sandie
    My first post!
    Who remembers Laverys of the mid-80's, gigs at the cresent arts centre, and then onto the Plaza or the Delta in the now revamped 'Cathedral Quarter'. Arts college parties and Fringe Benefits Theatre Company, Good times!
  33. avatar churchwarden
    [quote:2aebe4ebb8]And why is everyone forgetting the 80's U2 gigs in Maysfield and the Kings Hall?[/quote:2aebe4ebb8]

    There was also their gigs in the QUB union

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaTPls-m3sk[/url]
  34. avatar Tomsthumb
    Start it all off with Giros and the Kids at St. Annes.

    Thusands of youth being hippies.
    Big part of a lot of people's lifes.

    Thats where it start as far back as I remember, before that I couldn't tell you.