1. avatar delfuego
    I am probably opening myself up for severe ridicule here, but has anybody any experience of the Stagg 60 watt combo amp?

    I have a stagg PRS copy (70 quid) and to be honest it plays better than most of my more 'expensive' guitars and the combo amp is going at a crazy low price (maybe for good reason).
  2. avatar Recycled Alien
    Matchett's have them on ther web site, so if you're in Belfast, you could probably go along and try one. 79 for a 60W combo!
  3. avatar delfuego
    Aye they are 69 through their e-bay page.

    The few reviews I have seen are positive and Stagg gear seems good for the money.
  4. avatar unplugged
    for the money yes but its beginners gear. its good for whats it meant to fulfill but no more. lets not start babbling about who cares what gear is in their backline, lets face it a 69 stagg amp aint gonna be there.

    if its for messing about, yeah hell its great for the moolah, but otherwise save your and save for more mid/high level equipment, if you choose that correctly you only need to buy once :)
  5. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:0979bfd49a="unplugged"]for the money yes but its beginners gear. its good for whats it meant to fulfill but no more. lets not start babbling about who cares what gear is in their backline, lets face it a 69 stagg amp aint gonna be there.

    if its for messing about, yeah hell its great for the moolah, but otherwise save your and save for more mid/high level equipment, if you choose that correctly you only need to buy once :)[/quote:0979bfd49a]Absolute pretentious bullshit. If it sounds good, use it. No matter if it costs 69 or 690 or 6900.

    A Marshall or Fender or Vox or Roland solid state combo will have the same construction and components for only 250% more shop price. You decide.
  6. avatar unplugged
    yep he is right. a 69 stagg amp will hold up to the rigors of gigging and will sound every bit as good as the Fender next to it. After all sure its nearly the same things make it, bit of wood, a speaker here and there and a few wires etc...

    NONESENSE. QUALITY?
    Stagg are arse end of the market. The Tesco stripey/KVI brand of music so to speak. They do great stuff like stands and the accessory lark and some great sub 100 electrics to get kids started on but im dubious about its amplification.

    I would love to hear one of these 69 amps, im sure it sounds sterile.
    Im one for backing budget gear, especially behringers PA stuff which is brilliant for the money, but indeed i dont take it to gigs, i use Peavey as i generally find spending the few more will mean reliability and better sound.

    So its not bullshit, maybe in your opinion man but lets face it, what sounds good is in the ear of the amps owner, but will it take the road use, gigs, being knocked over. I also generally cant see how the distortion or EQ on a 69 amp would sound "excellent" - "excellent for the money" maybe but i cant imagine ever seeing a Stagg 80w combo miked up in katys.
    My point is holy hell yeah its a fair price and a great deal if you are bedroom jammer or beginner. But if your serious about taking up guitar better so try to find a fantastic amp and out your 69 toward it cos youll end up changing it anyway in time.
    Thats all.
  7. avatar delfuego
    Thanks for the replies! I only wanted it for a practice amp as it would be handy for me just to leave it in the place where we practice and save me lugging my main amp about every week.

    I was not expecting great things from it, but thought for the price it would serve that purpose.
  8. avatar unplugged
    correct. its great for that purpose.

    and that is worth 69 of anyones money
  9. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:45268ef58c="unplugged"]I would love to hear one of these 69 amps[/quote:45268ef58c]Why? You've already made your mind up. :-D
  10. avatar pat - lwr
    i work in a music shop and i sell the stagg stuff.
    id recommend buying the stagg acoustic 60w amp for an electic.. its a slightly clearer clean sound with a slightly better EQ. nice spring reverb too. then add a behringer overdrive pedal, which isnt unbelievable, but better than the stagg distortion channel. sounds pretty good for kicking about the house
  11. avatar unplugged
    dont need to hear it. for 69 its going to sound average
  12. avatar Sadoldgit
    better still, buy second hand gear from this site.

    Stagg stuff is not bad at all.
    Their DH cymbals are good - quite bright , but pretty good.
    Their stands and lead are well made, and some of their top end guitars are actually very nice indeed for the money.

    For the money, I would go for it given what you intend to use it for.
    Might be an idea to try before you buy though.
    I got a 30watt practice amp from ebay, band new for 16 quid in an auction..kid you not.
    Grand wee thing, and much nicer sound than some.
    Usual chines emade stuff, but for 16 quid, I stole it.

    Good second hand gear for live work is the way to go if you are on a budget.
  13. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:04ee13566f="unplugged"]dont need to hear it. for 69 its going to sound average[/quote:04ee13566f]You take all the fun out of derision when your own thoughts and opinions are beyond parody. :cry:
  14. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:42b0e48807="unplugged"]yep he is right. a 69 stagg amp will hold up to the rigors of gigging and will sound every bit as good as the Fender next to it. After all sure its nearly the same things make it, bit of wood, a speaker here and there and a few wires etc...[/quote:42b0e48807]

    Says the guy who keeps telling us Tokai guitars are as good as high end gibsons
  15. avatar Sadoldgit
    some of them are, hence why Gibson sued them.
  16. avatar DontPetABurningDog
    Well, no. Gibson sued them because the headstock shape was too close to Gibson's own. The relative merits of the guitar were neither here nor there.
  17. avatar Tele
    [quote:aace0f0fd6="my-angel-rocks"][quote:aace0f0fd6="unplugged"]yep he is right. a 69 stagg amp will hold up to the rigors of gigging and will sound every bit as good as the Fender next to it. After all sure its nearly the same things make it, bit of wood, a speaker here and there and a few wires etc...[/quote:aace0f0fd6]

    Says the guy who keeps telling us Tokai guitars are as good as high end gibsons[/quote:aace0f0fd6]

    Have you even friggin played any Gibsons? Seriously, I've played some that I wouldn't have paid 200 quid for, let alone the grand that they were going for. Binding all over the place, uneven frets that stuck out at the edge, blotchy finishes (neither here nor there, but still), and just generally shit sounding.

    I'd say the same for Fender's American series, but then again they are a good 300 quid cheaper on average.

    Don't even get me started on the cheaper Gibsons like the Melody Maker.
  18. avatar Sadoldgit
    The early Tokai`s were a far better guitar than gibsons of the same vintage.

    One plus point of Tokai reminding Gibson of how it should be done , is they were forced to improve their workmanship.
  19. avatar potatojunkie1
    He has a point about the Tokai's - but they don't cost about 700 quid for a reason, not 69.

    If you want a practice amp for that price there's an epiphone valve amp for 80 odd quid, won't set the world alight but gets the job done and will sound much better than the stagg.
  20. avatar Sadoldgit
    agree re the valve amp - thomann do an own brand 5 watt valve amp for about 50 quid .
    A 5 watt valve amp will blow your head off and given you will be driving it hard, give nice tube distortion.
  21. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:6504912ed3="Sadoldgit"]agree re the valve amp - thomann do an own brand 5 watt valve amp for about 50 quid .
    A 5 watt valve amp will blow your head off and given you will be driving it hard, give nice tube distortion.[/quote:6504912ed3]It has been reported that the Thomann and the Epiphone are the same amp internally.
  22. avatar unplugged
    and whats your source for this?
    Its also been reported Elvis lives on the moon and is still alive.
    im not being bitchy my friend but anything i type its closely followed by a smart arsed remark with your username after it.
    I know my gear, but please remember EVERYONE on the site has their own opinion without facing public ridicule and sarcasm. maybe you dont mean to come across that way man. if so i apologise.

    I merely try to help with a tried and tested opinion but i admit on this case i presumed re; stagg 69 amp. and why? Cos in my thirties, gigging from 16 i think im hairy arsed enough to presume a 69 80w combo may - just may - not be as good as a 80w fender amp as you said it is the 'same as'. But i could be wrong. the budget stagg amp migh be out of this world. Quality tone. But ill hold off on hearing it thanks, i prefer my 70s Vox AC30
    Maybe you dont mean to be offensive but it comes across that way.

    But to assume a 69 amp is amazing is fucking stupid. So ill presume its average it will do budget gear until i may get the chance to hear it, alhtough that i doubt.
    it may do its purpose (ie; guy for travelling practice) but so does 9p tesco stripy brand washing up liquid. i buy fairy. why? cos i know it works better for 1.29. because i have tried both. but i admit i assumed the 9p one was shite. which it was.

    i do think tokais play better than Gibsons yes.
    but thats not down to money totally, its cos tokais have a rep for gibbo les paul killers. its widely known in guitar industry. when i played one i found the rumor was indeed true.
    Ill back the guy above in that i dont find Gibbo Les Pauls worth the inflated cash price, again having tried them and their alternatives.. I have a 2001 Gibson Les Paul here in my studio in the house and i only wouldnt sell it as it was cherished by my late uncle and left to me but it plays like utter shite. Two of the frets namely 12 and 13 are beginning to come unseated and its stored lovingly in its case with humidifier in case.
    It sounds average and its generally not a great guitar. The Tokai les paul i own cost me 579 and plays ten times better the guitar. And multiple mates of mine have tried and tested both guitars thru my AC30 and agree the Gibson plays like a plank. Its not that the quality is bad. but for the 1700 uncle paid for it i expected alot more.
    Ive never played an awesome Gibbo Les Paul but any Tokais i have played, especially Jap ones and dare i say it even the we 299 korean ones have impressed me greatly.

    And i agree with tele on the Fender USA series strats. Hate the feel of them, the sound of them and the whole guitar generally, yet off Tele i bought a fender re-issue 1950s Mex strat 9the newer ones with spaghetti logo and laquered necks) and its fucking awesome. Cost like 300 new. I did stick new Bareknuckles in it and shield it but thats my choice. It still sounded fantastic with the stock pickups and non shielded electrics (incidentally the bridge, electrics, machines etc are same hardware as on USA series)
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  23. avatar The Grace Jones
    Here, Kozzmonaut - what is with you and the endless rotation of Tokais? Just curious.. sometimes it seems like you buy and sell 3 Tokais every week. What are you [i:95a137d0df]building [/i:95a137d0df]in there?
  24. avatar unplugged
    the guitar ark.

    Nah, two Korean ones came by me at the right price from a legit guitar dealer and i took them, set them up to perfection, improved the frets and just modded them up with new pickups and sold them on for a tidy profit. the buyers are more than happy with them i shall add.

    i own one japanese Tokai les paul and its the best les paul i have ever played. again a personal opinion in case i come under fire for expressing it. :-D :-D

    Again ill add not 3 tokais a week. youll find i sold just 2, which were both listed together recently.
  25. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:1270bc40fc="unplugged"]I buy fairy. why? cos i know it works better for 1.29[/quote:1270bc40fc]Ridiculous. Arguing with Speed Demon and yet you manage to come across as a total loon. :lol:

    BTW: the Epiphone and Harley Benton aren't identical. The later has a tone control too :) I'd urge the OP to go down the 5w head/cab route. When you get a larger amp for gigging you wont feel like you're loosing out with your practice rig.

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_ga5g112.htm
  26. avatar montanayaz
    you sold me a dodgey tokai last year, mr unplugged
  27. avatar unplugged
    ah thats right. you are the young fellow that traded a black one off me a while back. a brand new black les paul custom korean with plastic still fitted.
    sorry i stand corrected i have sold 3 in total.

    thats the one where you met up with me, tried it and thought it was great and walked away with it with YOUR EYES AND HANDS AS YOUR MERCHANT.
    Yet, Months later you typed on here you didnt like it. You claimed the neck started muting out on you at certain frets.

    Had you taken it to the guitar emporium and paid 30 fopr a setup like i told you when you met me it needed that would have remedied it. i didnt get a chance to set up that guitar,it came straight from factory but upon testing i played it and fitted new strings it didnt have any bad spots on the neck although the action was medium in height. i did advise you it needed a good set up.

    the other 2 people who bought the other 2 sunburst standards off me on this site with tonerider generators fitted in them were over the moon. Thats cos i spent about 3 hours per guitar setting them up over a 2 weeks period to make sure they played brillaintly.

    One of those guitars had a couple of dead frets too, which merely required to be stoned which resulted in restored brilliant playability. Every guitar i have owned has developed this minor problem.

    Anyone i have sold to or traded on here with will back me up in that any gear it sell or trade is A1.
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  28. avatar unplugged
    [quote:c54620f5d7="Lap Dog Shuffle"][quote:c54620f5d7="unplugged"]I buy fairy. why? cos i know it works better for 1.29[/quote:c54620f5d7]Ridiculous. Arguing with Speed Demon and yet you manage to come across as a total loon. :lol:

    BTW: the Epiphone and Harley Benton aren't identical. The later has a tone control too :) I'd urge the OP to go down the 5w head/cab route. When you get a larger amp for gigging you wont feel like you're loosing out with your practice rig.

    http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_ga5g112.htm[/quote:c54620f5d7]

    im not arguing, as anything i say on here has a degree of light heartedness about it. i aint entirely serious when debating. it was mean to be funny. :)
  29. avatar Sadoldgit
    I do know that the TA professional series PA amps are exactly the same amp inside as expensive Crown PA amps, so, there might be more to the statement than you think.
    Much of the innards of this gear is built by a few chinese factories, and you find the best stuff is bunged in different casings and sold under different names.
    I`ve taken the lid off the TA amp and had a look in.
    They are built like a tank, and Thomann back their gear with a 3 year warranty.

    As to gear snobbery...lets face it, that`s what we are on about.
    I still wish I had kept my old HH valvesound 100w combo from my teens, as it was the best sounding solid state amp I`ve ever hears, and sounded better than many all tube amps I`ve heard over the years.

    You need to spend a lot to get quality that is terrifically better than the midrange these days.
    Look at what you can get Peavey gear for [the valve stuff].
    Decent midrange kit is well priced these days, and even budget brands are upto the job, unlike even 20 years ago when cheap stuff was utter kak.
  30. avatar unplugged
    im not saying speed demon is wrong im just showing him how it is when people slate things you say :-D :-D

    he may be entirely A1 correct that the amps are the same inside.

    And if so, then thats great. Im not disagreeing at 69 the amp is great value - it is!

    Im just questioning the quality of it.

    i actually think speed demon seems to know his gear and has answered quite brilliantly alot of gear issues on fastfude.
  31. avatar belezabaub
    The Stagg amp mightened be a bad option if like as you say you just want to leave it where you practice and not worry too much about it. In terms of sound it isn't going to knock your socks off but it'll do the job especially if you get a couple of good pedals going through it.
    It'll take you a while to get the best out of it but after a few practices you'll get to know the ins and outs of her and you'll be grand.
    Great kit, irrespective of price is its ease of use. You can get a great sound out of bad kit, it might require a little bit more knowhow when it comes to EQ and stuff but it can be done. For 69 your getting a loud amp which you'll proably want to put pedals through as I doubt the overdrive on it will be that great.
    Mightened be a bad idea to have a look through B-stock on the net in shops like Dolphin or DV247, sometimes there is the odd bargin there too.
  32. avatar thesacredhearts
    I'd recommend the vox valetronix advt series. Bought the 30w version about a year ago as a practice amp as my gigging amp lives elsewhere, its seen minimal use as ive mainly been recording di'd guitars, but as a versatile practice amp it really does perform. The clean tones are lovely and its plenty loud. retail around 130.
  33. avatar Tele
    You know, I'd have to know a person to trust their advice on these things anyway. You need to have a feel for what someone thinks is good in general before their opinion on any kind of gear is useful.

    People will tell you something is good and other will say it's shit, but it's all a waste of words when the only important opinion is your own - go play through the amp, play through other amps you can afford. Do this in all the shops you have access to. Go to YouTube, type in model numbers (not the ultimate test of an amp's sound, but some people properly mic the amp to give demonstrations which might give you a particular insight into what it sounds like or which options are available if you're buying online).

    Lame, but still, true.
  34. avatar unplugged
    i second what sacred hearts said.

    i bought a vox valvetronix AVT5012 which is a 50w stereo combo for 300 for travelling to and from practice so i didnt have to lug about my 1970s ac30, and i must say on the ac30 setting its not far off, not 100% but not far off. very useable vox,fender,marshall tones all in one amp. great value for money.
  35. avatar Sadoldgit
    Big star for the last post.

    Even as a young musician, you will want different things from an amp if you play !ndie , metal, clasic rock...

    Sometimes the simplest, highest quality amp you can afford is the best idea.
    And dont get too drawn into power ratings.
    A five watt valve amp will be "louder" than a 20-30watt solid state practice amp.

    You can add effects pedals etc later to get "your" tone if that is your wish.

    Those over 40 on this site will confirm that gear , in general , in the early to mid 80`s was expensive and poor quality.
    The choice has never been greater, but there is little point spending a fortune on kit if it is effectively worthless.
    Nor is their much point buying gear so expensive you will be frightened to gig it...a happy medium seems the order of the day...oh, and depends how much you can wangle out of grannies and parents.

    I just gave my lad a lovely wee ES355 copy for his birthday.
    120 and lovely build - half a day spent setting the thing to pefection [wee tip - always replace the strings they come with before setting the action and intonation - I forgot my own rule and wasted an hour]
    You dont need to buy expensive brands to get good kit, but, you do need to know what you are looking for - arguably easier with a guitar than an amp when you cant exactly open the case.
  36. avatar unplugged
    fuck your right about the shite gear in the 80s

    199 back then bought you a Marlin Sidewinder which was a superstrat copy, made of plywood with shite fake pickups and a take on floyd roses locking trem that NEVER stayed in tune.
    if you were into metal you went for the marlin blue fin flying v copy or if really into hair metal the marlin loner which was indeed a poor poor mans charvel.

    and for an amp youd be lucky, real lucky if 200 bought you a 50w gorilla combo.

    :lol:

    the gear really WAS shite for the money then
  37. avatar Garzo
    Tried a Stagg amp recently at practice. Was alright. Nothing more, nothing less. For 69 for what you need it for you may as well. Unless you get a mental second hand bargain.