1. avatar fastfude
    I'd like to hear readers and promoters thoughts on the bumping of threads.

    I've noticed a lot of gigs & events that consist of nothing but bumps. I consider this a bit harmful to the flow of discussion, as it unnaturally pushes active topics down the listings in favour of one that isn't being discussed. We get a huge amount of gig threads these days, and the cumulative effect of multi-bumpage can be quite disruptive.

    Wanting your gig to be promoted is not a problem, but if no-one is picking up the discussion you might want to rethink how you're pitching it.

    Things like posting a gig thread weeks ahead of the show date and then bumping it a few days before the event is fine, but 2/3/4+ bumps with no actual discussion is a nuisance.

    What do you think? Do you notice it, get annoyed by it, not mind it, have suggestions of better practice? There's a community banner space that runs right across every page of the site 24/7 at very low rates especially for bands and amateur promoters that's got infinitely better exposure than any thread. Obviously I'd like more folks to use that and free up the forums for actual discussion, but thoughts welcome.

    EDIT: the above is out o' date, to save you wading through the thread, current policy will appended here as it's formed and refined: [i:c8f673cf0e]no bumps till the day of the gig. Post all gig/promo/stage times/posters/info in the original post, editing rather than bumping. An exception is if the lineup or venue changes unexpectedly after the initial gig post[/i:c8f673cf0e].
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  2. avatar Recycled Alien
    From a punter/reader point of view, I don't mind it so much, at least in moderation. You can usually tell from the topics list if a thread is only being written to by one person, e.g. Anto, so you don't need to read it every day.

    A lot of bumps with no response makes the event look unpopular though, which is probably NOT what the promoter wants.
  3. avatar thecunnyfunt
    we always try to add something about the gig with every bump/post. the bump in disguise if you will

    i say make your bumps entertaining at least

    like the legendary Calenso Parade post

    "My bump, my bump, my lovely Calenso Parade giggy bump"

    or something to that effect
  4. avatar T Entertainment
    It creates a poor impression, IMO, and it's irritating. I've heard a lot of people say the same.
  5. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Bump
  6. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    But seriously, I've only realised how annoying it can be now, and would like to think if we're gonna do it now we'd be doing it right, as in providing more information on the gig and only doing it a day or two before the gig.
  7. avatar Amz
    [quote:9720585d8c="Mickeycolensoparade"]only doing it a day or two before the gig.[/quote:9720585d8c]

    agreed. Bumps dont bother me, and they have reminded me of gigs that have slipped off the top of the gig forum in the past (i rarely use the actual gig listing page)
    .
    But, yeah, a thread only filled with bumps aint great, and like has been mentioned before, only makes it look like a really unpopular event. But, essentially I see no harm in bumps, just not 10 in a row, every day, for two weeks...

    A bump limit?
  8. avatar JTM
    Agree with Amz there, bumps are a handy way to remind people your event is on, but get the frequency right. No-one likes 3 or four bumps by the same person in a week / day.
  9. avatar Amz
    An army of bump moderators?

    Distant haunting whispers of disapproving 'tut tuts' and frowning ninjas through the interweb?

    I should sleep....
  10. avatar The enfant terrible
    As long as they're not saying "this be the whisper" or some such I wouldn't worry.
  11. avatar tinpot anto
    BUMP
  12. avatar rentaghost
    Maybe bringing back the number of views would be helpful. Its impossible to know how many people have looked at your post at the moment - and that exacerbates the problem, in my opinion.

    I tend to bump a thread when it falls off the front page of the gig forum, to ensure the max number of people have seen it. I doubt people go hoking round the system for gig threads.
  13. avatar goodonpaper
    Promoters that want their gig pushed more prominently should buy the excellently affordable ad space, right Roger?

    :)
  14. avatar T Entertainment
    [quote:e8a9fc8c60="goodonpaper"]Promoters that want their gig pushed more prominently should buy the excellently affordable ad space, right Roger?

    :)[/quote:e8a9fc8c60]


    Why bother when you can just slap up a post and then post 'bump' over and over again if it doesn't generate any actual interest of itself?

    (Apart from the fact that it looks a tad desperate, annoys people and may actually prove counter-productive.)
  15. avatar spirit of division
    I'm with Amz, Rentaghost and a few others...

    I liked having the topic view count available so that you know how many people are checking out your topic...it would also stop me bumping stuff so often!

    In terms of continuous bumps I generally dont mind as long as it isnt every day for a month before a show...I rarely use or look at the gig listings so being reminded is quite handy.
  16. avatar T Entertainment
    Just noticed this over on the rules at the Metal Ireland Monolithic Fascist State:

    "dont bump (threads) needlessly. If people arent interested in your stuff its up to you to make better music. Not bump a thread. Accept it and move on."

    Roger runs this place like a holiday camp. A HOLIDAY CAMP!
  17. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    The colour scheme is all wrong for a holiday camp.
  18. avatar fastfude
    [img:0d86664200]http://www.sitcom.co.uk/hi_de_hi/graphics/cast.jpg[/img:0d86664200]
  19. avatar Tele
    I at least enjoy a bump when it is the RECURSIVE ACRONYM form which actually means 'Bump up my post'. Not so keen on the other one.
  20. avatar fastfude
    I'm testing a policy of 'one bump per gig' to see how it affects general thread/discussion flow.

    Basically you can post a gig thread and add one 'bump'-style post at your leisure. I'd recommend encouraging discussion on a thread to keep it current, rather than empty bumping. Additional bumps will just be binned.

    EDIT: this policy has since changed, see below.
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  21. avatar fastfude
    What, no

    [img:dc859bde74]http://msp149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/ginja_mick/TonyHarrisonsmall.png[/img:dc859bde74]

    ?
  22. avatar spirit of division
    I will probably fall victim to this but I suppose with the facility to pay for advertising, the gig board and your own work, bumping should be limited...how about two? ;) Or say one per week? Go on...
  23. avatar nocturn
    [img:5ecabee3e5]http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/rancidpunk_/saybumpagain.jpg[/img:5ecabee3e5]
  24. avatar churchwarden
    Each time I reply to my Decade-A-Dance topic, the reply initially appears and then disppears

    [url]http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=31918[/url]

    Not sure if this is a fault, or if there was a fastfude editorial decision not to allow replies that just stated that the event was tonight
  25. avatar fastfude
    Having tried a policy of one-bump for a while, I've found it's still too high a turnover of advertising threads pushing down discussion threads, so I'm currently testing a zero-bump policy.
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  26. avatar palrub
    Hey Rog could maybe one bump on the day of said event be allowed? Speaking personally i usually clock off work midweek and grab a few beer, check the fastfude forum gig listings real quick on the mobile [they're always more comprehensive than the gig tab alone] for whatever takes my fancy then pop on down. I know daily bumps take the proverbial piss but bumps on the days of gigs have helped make for some of the better nights out.. or maybe this is just me?? meh..
    good policy initially though, had to be addressed!
  27. avatar fastfude
    My thinking is actually to merge the gigs tab with the gigs forum, so they're one and the same thing, with the option of viewing the threads by gig date (as on the gigs tab) or as standard forum mode (eg by latest reply date). That way there's no need to bump, as the closer your gig gets, the closer to the top of the list it goes!
  28. avatar churchwarden
    yes, there was a real problem with events being constantly bumped with no new information.

    I would agree with parub that a bump on the day of the event,as there can be things that go out of your mind, so it acts like a fastfude reminder service ( as I tend to look at the gigs forum each day, whereas the gig listings i normally browse once a week).

    ..but now people will get smart and hold back key information to add in to mask "bumps"

    Perhpas i should go and add "featuring 'top of the pops', 'Hot Gossip' style dancing each hour from SMACK from Pure Dance"....

    edit: merging the gig listings and forum is a great idea
  29. avatar Radiation
    Ahh, just seeing this now.

    I'd have to agree about a bump on the day of the event. Also, merging the forums with the gig calendar so gigs can be viewed by date is a good idea.
  30. avatar fastfude
    Okay, for the time being, a single bump [i:31109e7670]on the day of the event[/i:31109e7670] is ok, but that's it. We'll see how that goes until I can merge the listings together.

    Keeping a steady flow of discussion is key to the value of this site, and anything that disrupts that isn't good, so please don't abuse the system.

    For a while there I was clearing out an average of 30-40 bumps [i:31109e7670]per day[/i:31109e7670]! When there's only 25 threads listed on the front page, that's a big problem.

    Promoters: put all the gig info into the first post, not a series of later posts. If there's a change of vital info (eg a band drops out or venue changes) that's ok to post, but for everything else just edit the first post.

    If you're playing at a gig, don't bump it with 'looking forward to this' posts either! Keep it to real discussion, not artificial advertising.
  31. avatar Iso9
    i don't think i'll bother anymore with using fastfude. waste of time for us really. not many people post on our threads, but a good lotta people do see them. if i can't bump them then theres no point. bye.
  32. avatar fastfude
    People don't generally post if a thread is just being used to advertise. After all, you're not opening a discussion, so why would anyone reply?

    A single thread isn't very effective for ads anyway. A quick rummage in Google Analytics gave me this:

    In 2008, 11 page titles containing "acroplane" were viewed a total of 721 times. Out of a total of 6,732,593 page views.

    That's barely 0.01% coverage even with bumps, whereas a single standard community ad would get almost half a million of those page views (~8.50%) and link back to your own site.

    The audience is all there, you just need to use the right tools!
  33. avatar Iso9
    we're just a musical minority. this policy is just gonna push out smaller promoters and genres..even if people aren't opening threads, they still get reminded seeing them at the top of the board. it might help get a few more through the door or onto websites. every little helps.

    thanks for the support til now anyways, but i see this as a (unintentional) step towards making this place into an even bigger ind.ie rock circle-jerk :lol:
  34. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:de80102c7c="Iso9"]they still get reminded seeing them at the top of the board. it might help get a few more through the door or onto websites. every little helps.[/quote:de80102c7c]

    And you not posting at all means people don't get reminded, or know about it at all. Not entirely sure how that helps your cause.

    Roger: It might help if the bump rules are stickied at the top of the gigs forum?
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  35. avatar fastfude
    That's a bit reactionary though, innit? Everyone here is a musical minority.

    The whole point of this exercise is to give fair exposure to everyone, rather than getting into a bumping arms race, which it was rapidly becoming at the expense of the discussions that bring people here and in turn is why it's useful to promote gigs here.

    I know it's a frustrating experience trying to get exposure and footfall for gigs, so if there's anything specific you think could be done to help that, I'm all ears, but it has to be a way that works in tandem with the site and its community, not at their expense.
  36. avatar Iso9
    we get plenty of footfall and people interested. i just mean that its not really worth posting a thread that just sinks to page godknowswhat straight away never to be seen again.

    i can see where you're coming from tho rog. i just feel that cutting out bumping leaves me personally with not much of a resource, so i probably won't bother posting threads. but, i will have a good think about how else i can use fastfude, and apologies if i sounded a little rude or ungrateful.
  37. avatar thesacredhearts
    i think that the "bumping" as such is fine is its more than just "bump! next week" if you're adding information/material to the thread ie stage times, a mix etc, then it actually adds weight to a reason to attend.
  38. avatar MULLAN Extraordinaire
    On imarocker.com (Derry based music forum) all the gigs that are happening that week get stickied for a week.
    Maybe your idea of having them laid out by the date the gig happens might be useful.
  39. avatar Thedevilsfavouriteson
    I think that if you were to merge the gigs listings with forum it'd work and thusly eliminate the need for bumps personally I never look at the listings and don't know how to submit,I guess because ive never looked into it, and so rely on the forum for up to date shows. I think denying bumps or limiting to one on the day of the gig is a bit ridiculous as alot off people need more time than the day of the gig to make plans. Surely the aim of fastfude is to help promote local music and not allowing bumps hinders this to an extent much like the council takig down posters.yr threads there today and gone tomorrow. Is there ever really that much discussion on gigs really anyways. Bumps to stay if you ask me or a more prominent listings section.
  40. avatar spirit of division
    I never look at the gig listings either - I always hit the forum and see what's happening. I think bumps are usful but they can rip the piss sometimes. I know some people only look at the site once a week or less, so often shows will now inevitably fall to pag 3393397277277281 and such people will not know about said shows. On top of that bumping on the day isnt enough really - most people I know have work, family and other such non musical committments. It takes a few weeks notice for me to even hit shows these days.

    Putting on the likes of things I do and not doing it for monetary gain means I cant afford paying for advertising so I know I might lose out. However...it's not my site nor do I deny that some gig posts annoy the hell out of me - especially local gigs of 2 or 3 bands constantly bumping the hell out of their shows. Hope that makes sense...
  41. avatar tenrabbits
    Hmmm.. pretty complex one this - I agree with Iso that the end result for non-ind[i:a5d5b1dca6][/i:a5d5b1dca6]ie rock gigs will be to almost immediately disappear off the bottom, but that idea of having the upcoming weeks gigs stickied at the top seems like a pretty good solution. It would make it like a gig listings page you can post on..
  42. avatar fastfude
    Fact checking time!!1one
    [quote:d8aac7711c]Is there ever really that much discussion on gigs really anyways.[/quote:d8aac7711c]Busiest section of the site for new topics by a considerable margin.

    [quote:d8aac7711c]I know some people only look at the site once a week or less[/quote:d8aac7711c]In the last 30 days:
    People checking several times EVERY DAY = 85.14% (!!?!)
    People checking once every 1-6 days = 11.22%
    People checking once a week or less = 3.63%
    Market research ftw!

    [quote:d8aac7711c]It takes a few weeks notice for me to even hit shows these days. [/quote:d8aac7711c]So that's when the initial post should go up.

    [quote:d8aac7711c]upcoming weeks gigs stickied at the top seems like a pretty good solution[/quote:d8aac7711c]I'm sympathetic to this in theory, but in practice it's a lot of work to administer. I'd rather invest the time merging the listings page with the forum, which is a slightly better version of the same end result, and also automated.
  43. avatar fastfude
    Since a few folk have suggested it, as an experiement I've stickied all the gigs I could find for the remainder of this week (Fri 6th - Sun 8th), not including regular club nights. Just these three days has filled half of the first page of the gig forum, which is pretty hefty. IMHO It's not massively easier to scan either, and would be worse with a full week's listings. It'll be a fair bit of work to do that every day too.

    What do you think?
  44. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:05bf698016="fastfude"]What do you think?[/quote:05bf698016]I hate it.
    Also, you missed the gig I'm involved with tonight: John D'Arcy at McHughs.
  45. avatar Thedevilsfavouriteson
    [quote:f4ecebd736]Busiest section of the site for new topics by a considerable margin.[/quote:f4ecebd736]

    yes but actual 'discussion' on gigs.id imagine alot of the replys are people going this will be good cant wait etc or in fact bumps. and i dont think lack of replies nessecarily idicates lack of interest just because youve seen the gig and havent replied doesnt nessecarily mean you wont be there.
  46. avatar tenrabbits
    [quote:52b423d324="fastfude"]It's not massively easier to scan either, and would be worse with a full week's listings. It'll be a fair bit of work to do that every day too.

    What do you think?[/quote:52b423d324]

    Hmm.. aye it's a bit hard to negotiate the head round alright. I've just had a lunchtime browse through a load of music forums and I can't see any obvious solution to be honest.

    Is the problem with it being hard to scan just because of the format though? Would it be possible to merge the gig listings page so it appears at the top/side of the discussion? If it was automatically set to show the next week's gigs, then it would lower the workload. A fastfude beta idea maybe!

    I don't know if the single bump thing is a good idea though, I only check the gig forums briefly, and the only ones that catch my eye are really on the first page. So any band that has been pushed off by the time I check I just won't see listed.
  47. avatar fopp
    I never check the gigs, so here's a rubbish and uninformed idea.

    Have a date field for all the gigs in the forum, then reverse order the gig threads by this date (think this is what you do on the gigs listing). That way they would slowly creep up as the gig approached, then dropped of so you wouldn't have any work at all to do and nobody would have to do any bumping. I presume to that everyone would still be aware of non-bump posts through the home/recent discussions page etc.

    I guess though that you have generic code for each forum, which might cause some problems.
  48. avatar fastfude
    That's exactly the plan, but it's a bit cumbersome to hack phpbb's code and db structure to make it happen, so it's taking a while.
  49. avatar T Entertainment
    He's right you know: this was the scene last night in FF / MI towers:


    [img:d60f958fad]http://www.kshs.org/publicat/khq/1971/graphics/71_4_osage_co_coal_mining.jpg[/img:d60f958fad]
  50. avatar Strong Reaction
    Yes, there is 'discussion', but mainly AFTER the gig in question. I agree that bumps can annoy, but this board is pretty vital for small promoters, who would use the advertising banner if they weren't losing money through their love of music. Merging dates/discussion would be great, but I understand the hassle. Maybe if each band/promoter gave Rog a fiver and a guiness it may ease his task.. :P
  51. avatar tinpot anto
    STOP PUTTING ON SO MANY SHIT GIGS THAT NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO.

    problem solved 8)

    :lol:
  52. avatar smittennn
    I am Now in the 11.22% category Roger.
    The firewall at work keeps me off fastfude near 50 hours I am there as worker and PT student. I had drastically cut down dancin for the music in the front row to a select few.

    I check the gigs forum as habit and the 'bumps' often allow one to see what is on that night.

    I am swapping academic genre writing(hateful!) for two nights out of the next five and thus shall be one of the minor creative bumping as I had in the past.

    All my best
    gwendolin smittennn
    wit' you all:)
  53. avatar Desus
    Was directed to this thread after adding a reply to my own thread to indicate a poster for the gig had now been added.

    I didn't realise people had a problem with someone bumping a gig. Of course someone doing it once or twice a day can get pretty annoying but announcing a show on here 6-8 weeks before the event and not being allowed to enter it back onto page 1 once or twice seems pretty draconian to me.

    Your initial post hits the gig discussion page at the wrong time, it can simply disappear off page 1 to never be seen again. I very, very rarely go off page 1 if truth be told.

    And as far posting all your info on the first post, its not always possible. Booking agents not confirming support acts, support acts dropping in and out?? There are loads of reasons why info can change.

    I dunno, in my opinion the whole process seems a tad unnecessary.
  54. avatar fastfude
    Well I explained the reasons pretty clearly back there a bit, it's not draconian at all.

    Also, you can edit your posts y'know? It's the little [img:60a7f250bb]http://fastfude.org/images/icons/edit.gif[/img:60a7f250bb] icon.
  55. avatar Desus
    I'm well aware you can edit posts, which is exactly what I've done with the poster and addition of a support band in my latest "bump"

    However who can one relate this new info to people if the topic is buried on the 10th page without adding a new reply to the topic?

    The reason I deem it a bit unnecessary is that I haven't really seen anyone give out about it.

    Also to the points about it looking desperate, and bad for a gig in terms of potential attendance then thats balls. There are a lot of people who use this site to read, and "lurk" who never post. There were 900 people in the Mandela on Sudnay night and only one unique reply on here to the gig in question.
  56. avatar fastfude
    [quote:9480b9dcef="Desus"]The reason I deem it a bit unnecessary is that I haven't really seen anyone give out about it.[/quote:9480b9dcef]The site isn't run by knee-jerking to complaints though - imagine the state it'd be in if it was! I look at the analytics to see how people actually use the site, and decide what's what from their actions, not their opinions. What you see on the front end is only one small part of the picture.
    [quote:9480b9dcef="Desus"]Also to the points about it looking desperate, and bad for a gig in terms of potential attendance then thats balls. [/quote:9480b9dcef]I didn't make any such points.
  57. avatar Desus
    [quote:ef63034f63="fastfude"][quote:ef63034f63="Desus"]The reason I deem it a bit unnecessary is that I haven't really seen anyone give out about it.[/quote:ef63034f63]The site isn't run by knee-jerking to complaints though - imagine the state it'd be in if it was! I look at the analytics to see how people actually use the site, and decide what's what from their actions, not their opinions. What you see on the front end is only one small part of the picture.
    [quote:ef63034f63="Desus"]Also to the points about it looking desperate, and bad for a gig in terms of potential attendance then thats balls. [/quote:ef63034f63]I didn't make any such points.[/quote:ef63034f63]

    I'm not denying the work you put into the site. And I've no desire to get into an argument with you about what the site, as the work you've done over the years is exceptional. I'd never have the patience for what you do. I'm just giving my opinion on a small part of it.

    And with regards to the attendance point, I wasn't referring to yourself, it was directed at points made by others in the thread. I'm just not very good at the whole quoting part.
  58. avatar fastfude
    okeydokey :)
  59. avatar the dirty weed
    ok - twice i've now had posting up the stagetimes a day before the gig removed for being a bump. this is nuts!

    last week when i had them removed, the next post was from someone asking the stagetimes!

    it's important information. any chance?!
  60. avatar fastfude
    Responding to genuine queries is fine of course, but general info such as stage times should really go into the original post, rather than a bump.
  61. avatar the dirty weed
    i didn't make the original post.
  62. avatar the dirty weed
    I'm just using this thread as an example. Nothing personal, TwoStep!

    http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=31987

    I see no difference between goodonpaper's follow on posts and mine. yet mine were removed. what's the dealio? ;)
  63. avatar the dirty weed
    actually, just glanced at a few more topics on the first. loads of bumps, loads of stagetimes.

    wha wha wha :cry:
  64. avatar fastfude
    The difference being I'm allowing a bump on the day of the gig?
  65. avatar the dirty weed
    so i can post the stagetimes tomorrow?

    i would have presumed that the post about tickets on wed 4th feb should have been included in the initial post? does that not count as a bump?

    also, this thread has slightly more blatant examples:
    http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=31852

    ps: not having a go at any of these promoters. you gotta do what you gotta do.
  66. avatar fastfude
    Yes, and they have received the same PMs you have. I have been observing the abusers and Taking Names(tm).
  67. avatar the dirty weed
    but their posts remained and presumably moved the topic back to the top of the forum?

    i haven't read this thread in a while but the lines seem blurred. i'm not really sure what i can post on a topic i have started or am involved in promoting. i held off on posting the stagetimes until a day before the show as i know there has been alot of grief with regards to bumps.

    however, if i were to have posted up links to recent crystal stilts / cashier no.9 press or videos (as i would have liked to but didn't), would that have been seen as someone cynically bumping a topic or just trying to get people to enjoy a band / gig they may not have otherwise? i would have seen it as a stimulus to conversation. i can't really be in control of whether other posters take it on from there.
  68. avatar fastfude
    It's easy: no bumps till the day of the gig. You can post all that gig/promo info in the original post.
  69. avatar the dirty weed
    i get that, although i'm perhaps naively confusing trying to start discussion with cynical bumpage ;)

    what about the two topics i highlighted?
  70. avatar fastfude
    Yep, in both cases bad bumpage got through.

    Alas, I can't sit and press refresh every 30 seconds 24/7 as I have to go off and earn the money that keeps the server running. I do a debumping pass of the recent replies a few times a day, time permitting, and PM any bumpers to read this thread. If the bump is still on page 1 of recent replies I'll get it.

    If you see anyone abusing the policy, don't wait for me: go directly to them and politely point out the problem and direct them to this thread. Most folks just didn't know and don't repeat offend, so there's already a tangible improvement. If there are persistent abusers, I'll look into it further, but so far everyone's been cool and sympathetic.
  71. avatar Sadoldgit
    re the last one...he`s only 16 and they are organising the gig themselves.


    Call it youthfull enthusiasm.
    He wasnt aware of the bumping policy, but is now.
  72. avatar doctorlilt
    Bump!

    :lol:
  73. avatar the dirty weed
    [quote:8c770574a1="fastfude"]Yep, in both cases bad bumpage got through.

    Alas, I can't sit and press refresh every 30 seconds 24/7 as I have to go off and earn the money that keeps the server running. I do a debumping pass of the recent replies a few times a day, time permitting, and PM any bumpers to read this thread. If the bump is still on page 1 of recent replies I'll get it.

    If you see anyone abusing the policy, don't wait for me: go directly to them and politely point out the problem and direct them to this thread. Most folks just didn't know and don't repeat offend, so there's already a tangible improvement. If there are persistent abusers, I'll look into it further, but so far everyone's been cool and sympathetic.[/quote:8c770574a1]

    no worries at all. i fully understand you can't keep an eye on every thing that is posted on the site.

    i just think that relevant information that wasn't known at the time of initial posting - ie: tickets now on sale, stagetimes, new band confirmed etc - are deserving of a little more leniency than just "bump".

    and on that, i'll keep my last post of the 24 hours for posting the stagetimes tomorrow.

    thanks for clearing things up.
  74. avatar fastfude
    No probs.

    Changes to the lineup or venue I'm ok with as a bump, as that's fundamental to the gig. [i:d225ad4fe2]As long as it's not withheld purely to use a bump later[/i:d225ad4fe2]. I trust everyone to be honest there, as nuclear options are available ;)

    Stage times and ticket sales I'd say are way down the importance list by comparison and I'd prefer they at least be estimated in the initial post and edited to confirm later, rather than used for bumping. Otherwise you end up with the gig post, then a tickets post, then a stage times post, then a tonight post for practically [i:d225ad4fe2]every gig[/i:d225ad4fe2] and we're back to square one.
  75. avatar flackmeister
    Rog,

    I'm not volunteering, and this may already be the case / have been discussed at some point, but it isn't clear...

    Is there not anyone else who might help moderate the site and save you some time?
  76. avatar fastfude
    There already are, and we still have these problems. It's just the level of traffic and posting is growing at a rate that makes human moderation impractical, so a better system that fits with the needs of mods, users and promoters is in the works.
  77. avatar doctorlilt
    Why not make the pages longer?
  78. avatar rinky
    Ok, I PM'd you about this Roger then realised you'd probably prefer comments on here.

    The original post on this thread:

    [quote=Fastfude]"Things like posting a gig thread weeks ahead of the show date and then bumping it a few days before the event is fine"[/quote]

    I did exactly this today, my post was deleted and I was referred to this thread. I only posted new and relevant information, a day before the event.

    I understand the reasons for this new rule but if the boundaries are to be left vague and it's to be policed so irregularly (as with previous posts to this thread) I see little point in continuing to use this site.
  79. avatar fastfude
    [quote:1df9e32548="fastfude"]It's easy: no bumps till the day of the gig. You can post all that gig/promo info in the original post.[/quote:1df9e32548]
    There's nothing vague about that to my eyes, but I take the point that the opening post is now out date and thus misleading. I shall amend it forthwith.

    [quote:1df9e32548="rinky"]I see little point in continuing to use this site.[/quote:1df9e32548]Ach come on, no need for comments like that.

    For starters, where else do you get free advertising to an average twenty-two thousand* music-loving local human beings a month?

    Besides if all you do is exploit it for free advertising, what recourse do you have to complain? It's a community and requires good input to get good output.

    *actually 27,743 unique visitors in January - highest EVAR!
  80. avatar rinky
    [quote:60fe659a20="fastfude"][quote:60fe659a20="fastfude"]It's easy: no bumps till the day of the gig. You can post all that gig/promo info in the original post.[/quote:60fe659a20]
    There's nothing vague about that to my eyes, but I take the point that the opening post is now out date and thus misleading. I shall amend it forthwith.[/quote:60fe659a20]

    Fair enough, I assumed the thread was up to date as I was referred to it via PM. The recent addition may not be vague, but it is unnecessarily limited. A two or three day window to bump a thread (just once) before an event makes a lot more sense. I posted this info today because I won't be near a computer for much of tomorrow and have no time to when I do. Likewise I haven't really the time today to scour through a 6 page thread to check all the latest posting restrictions before adding a quick two-liner to a gig.

    [quote:60fe659a20="fastfude"]
    [quote:60fe659a20="rinky"]I see little point in continuing to use this site.[/quote:60fe659a20]Ach come on, no need for comments like that.[/quote:60fe659a20]

    Ok, I was being somewhat rash following the post deletion but as you acknowledged, it was in line with your original bumping policy and I was a bit miffed by it's removal.

    [quote:60fe659a20="fastfude"]Besides if all you do is exploit it for free advertising, what recourse do you have to complain? It's a community and requires good input to get good output.
    [/quote:60fe659a20]

    I do contribute to discussion and try to offer help to queries on here when I've the time but adding listings (and checking others) is what keeps me returning. If the bumping policy is to be applied so strictly this reason is largely removed.

    As I said, I see the reason for some kind of policy on this and am offering my own thoughts about it as requested.
  81. avatar spirit of division
    [quote:c417e64b87]Besides if all you do is exploit it for free advertising, what recourse do you have to complain? It's a community and requires good input to get good output[/quote:c417e64b87].


    For me the gig discussion is the most important part of the site. That's true whether or not a topic has any replies - like Michael Comply Or Die said elsewhere people usually comment afterwards. Most of my input would probably be in the gig forum...
  82. avatar SITH_creations
    My bumps usually consist of,if there's an update ie: Line up change, or poster adding.

    I tend to bump pretty much a week before the gig to let people reply if they wish (as threads are so frequent on this board, and of course mine will get pushed onto the second page) and if nothing happens I try to add a 'see you all down there etc' on the actual day to let everyone know.

    I personally feel none of which is overkill.
  83. avatar fastfude
    [quote:c732225a4a="SITH_creations"]I personally feel none of which is overkill.[/quote:c732225a4a]...and if it were just you, it probably wouldn't be, but multiply it up for every gig promoter / performer on the site and it's very definitely overkill.

    I'm working on site tweaks that'll reduce the need for bumping by giving better and fairer placement to upcoming gigs, so hopefully the current policy won't be needed for too long.
  84. avatar Kidstoryburch
    spambot
  85. avatar Steven Dedalus
    Oh! The delicious irony!