1. avatar tenrabbits
    Found out at the weekend that apparently women enjoy being made to dress up as cheerleaders by the evil men they date, shortly before said men insist on doing them up the poopchute in as degrading a way as possible so as to salve their egos.













    - Edited to make subtext more apparent to our less feministically inclined readers. I.e. men.
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  2. avatar tinpot anto
    On a far more subtle level, Carly Simon's "The Spy who Loved Me" suddenly became a lot more interesting after hearing her talk about, not so much the meaning, but the tone.

    she meant it as a sarcastic "Oh baby you do me the best" jibe at the whole macho Bond institution rather than the straighforward starry-eyed sophomoric gush that it seems at first listen.

    Incredibly clever songwriting, to get something so disparaging of the subject used as the movie theme, where such a thing has supreme importance. Much respect to Carly ;-)
  3. avatar 10rapid
    ha ha i just read those lyrics and right enough... The only ones that spring to my mind are pretty obvious. 'There she goes' by the la's and 'golden brown' by stranglers about smack. Also 'elizabeth my dear' by the stone roses about shooting the queen. I also suspect that a lot of those very earnest radiohead lyrics are in fact about nefarious practices. 'Women and children first'? Aye right.
  4. avatar feline1
    [quote:9044d477ae="tenrabbits"]Found out at the weekend that apparently Hey Mickey by Toni Basil is about her offering anal sex to try and get lucky with a gay guy she fancied.. the saucy minx.[/quote:9044d477ae]

    I don't really see how you can say that the *lyrics* of that song are "about" such a scenario -
    the most you can say is that they could be applied to such a scenario, and the author in question did wryly know such a scenario existed in her own life (although, at the time she had the hit, was she not busy shagging Gerry Casale of Devo, IIRC...?)


    Likewise, the lyrics of "Golden Brown" are intentionally just a series of vague metaphorical images, and to say they are "about" nothing other than "taking heroin" is daft - they could equally apply to dozens of other things (for example, in the video, the band are shown as late 19th century archeologists in Egypt, treasure seeking...). In their various interviews and autobiographies, they suggest dozens of things the lyrics could be "about", everything from the skin colour of Cornwell's latino girlfriend, to burnt toast....
    one of the reasons the song is so good is that the lyrics are NOT hamfistedly tied to one m(ast/etaphor).
    (If you want to REALLY hear a Stranglers song that's just "about" heroin, you of course want "Don't Bring Harry", from The Raven album...)
  5. avatar tenrabbits
    Actually I think you're missing the point feline. If the song had been called "hey mickey, you can do me in the ass if you want" I have a feeling it wouldn't have been quite as successful. So some masking of meaning is entirely necessary, much in the same way as if the Stranglers sang "golden brown, texture like sun, spent a fortune injecting intravenously" I doubt it would have received much airplay, never mind that it would have lost all the romance. What the hell does the video have to do with it anyway? Do you need the lyrics acted out in the form of a small play explaining the meaning?
  6. avatar tinpot anto
    You at least need Hot Gossip or Pan's People illustrating the themes in literalist choreography.
  7. avatar zebulon
    [quote:558dbef260="tinpot anto"]You at least need Hot Gossip or Pan's People illustrating the themes in literalist choreography.[/quote:558dbef260]Best. Post. Ever.
  8. avatar feline1
    [quote:e02aa2e8e8="tenrabbits"]Actually I think you're missing the point feline. If the song had been called "hey mickey, you can do me in the ass if you want" I have a feeling it wouldn't have been quite as successful. So some masking of meaning is entirely necessary, much in the same way as if the Stranglers sang "golden brown, texture like sun, spent a fortune injecting intravenously" I doubt it would have received much airplay, never mind that it would have lost all the romance. What the hell does the video have to do with it anyway? Do you need the lyrics acted out in the form of a small play explaining the meaning?[/quote:e02aa2e8e8]


    The point is that your valorization of a "true, author intended Meaning" of a song is a load of stinking essentialist claptrap of the kind we all hoped had long since been eliminated long before the 21st century even began,
    and the "Meanings" you are ascribing to these songs are not their "Meanings", but actually just little wry in-jokes which the person writing the song chuckled to themselves about.

    What "Hey Mickey!" is much more "about" is stuff like a fun celebration of "pure pop", cheerleaders, teenagers, and having fun at the school disco.

    What "Golden Brown" is "about" is much more do to with the delightful summery reverie conjured up by Dave Greenfield prattling away in 7/4 on his harpsichord whilst Hugh Cornwell softly croons sweet nothings. This bears very little resemblance to the atmosphere that tended to ensure when the Stranglers were off their t1ts on smack, which if their autobiographies are to believe, generally involved them behaving like utterly impossible unreasonable and perverse c*nts to each other and everyone else around them, doing things like one half of them coming into the studio the next morning after the other half had been up all night finishing stuff, ripping hundreds of meters of tape off the spools, scrunching it up and gaffataping it into a huge bundle, and nailing it to the door with a notice pinned to it saying "THIS IS F(CKING SH1T!!!" and then JJ punching Hugh Cornwell through a plasterboard wall so there was just his outline left in it like in a Tom and Jerry cartoon.
  9. avatar tinpot anto
    Don't be a walt.

    Are you denying that subtext in art even exists. you flipping balloon. Conveying hidden meanings in music, literature and art is what happens.

    I assume the Emperor's New Clothes is a story about a stupid emperor, with no analogous meaning at all.

    No?
  10. avatar Chi-Lite
    Flip me, Anto's getting all essentialist

    and feline is just his usual Foucaultian oul ballix.

    Things do mean things, so they do.
  11. avatar my-angel-rocks
    http://songmeanings.net/

    There? Sorted?
  12. avatar tinpot anto
    [quote:5b35e52a71]First of all, what does this song mean?

    I believe he's referring to synergy. Using the expression 2+2= 5 is a very common way to express synergy, a delighful and very cool thing to have. [/quote:5b35e52a71]

    God, promise me I never have to read that forum again.
  13. avatar trepanner
    x2.

    x "a f*cking million" actually.

    [quote:f9d347663a]ok for all you who want to knwo what it means i do. he is talking about himself his personality his act. the way he acts basically i forgot the word. but what happens is throughout it he tlaks about how people are tryign to immitate him like his fashion and such would becom another trend so waht happens is that decides well if you want it so bad earn it. and then he talks about going into seclusion so noone would be able to immitate him but he knows he cannot live like that. [/quote:f9d347663a]
  14. avatar tinpot anto
    Actually I take that back, it's comedy gold

    The Led Zeppelin section is hilarious.

    "This song is about wanting to f*ck some hot chick"

    "No this song is about Lord of The Rings, probably from the point of view of Samwise Gamgee on his return to the Shire after having been part of the fall of Sauron and the restoration of Aragorn as the King of Gondor. He is looking to Numenor...."

    "No dude it's about wanting to bang the ass off some hot babe."

    :lol:
  15. avatar feline1
    [quote:c70bc42b9e="tinpot anto"]
    Are you denying that subtext in art even exists. [/quote:c70bc42b9e]

    No, I was not. You can tell this by moving your eyes across the words I typed and joining them up into sentences, although admittedly when building a strawman, this may make reading difficult if you suffer from hayfever.

    The thread refers to the "ACTUAL meaning" of songs, not to an hilarious strand of subtext.

    "Hey Mickey!" is a cool kids' teeny bop song with 50s/60s throwback music and cheerleaders and pigtails and special dancing! It is NOT "actually" all about trying to "turn" gaylords by offering them your ass. But of course, "everyone knows" that teenagers and cheerleaders and 50s/60s pop music and school discos *are* "all" "about" fun ways to get laid and ethnographers of the future will regard them as 20th century mating rituals, so yes but no but yeah but WHATEVER.

    "Golden Brown" is so patently *NOT* just "actually" about being on "heroin" that it's just silly to pick out this sly bit of subtext and trump it up as the most important aspect of the song, simply on a purile "drugs are cool and naughty! ho ho! how subversive for the Stranglers to have a hit record about drugs! hee hee!" slant. Golden Brown is a lovely gentle summery song with a harpsichord in it. It was not put out by the Stranglers to somehow dupe everyone into thinking drugs were cool: if anyone has the faintest clue about what the Stranglers had done up to that point, it's clear that it was them actually for once having the gumption to think "er, hang on, not every record we do has to be full of machismo and deliberately obnoxious posturing!" ... Dave Greenfield had sat in the corner playing that delicate 7/4 harpischord bit at Stranglers rehearals for about 5 years by that point, and the rest of the bank always told him to f*ck off and stop being a wüss... finally one day Hugh Cornwell stopped taking drugs and being sick in his own hair for just long enough to go "hang on Dave, that's actually really nice! That could be a hit!" and they turned it into Golden Brown, but JJ Burnel still hated it and complained bitterly that they were going soft and everyone would think he was a puff and he didn't even play one it, and hilariously, in the video, you can see how he then insisted on the camera being on him with a sulky face through about 90% of the verse, rather than on Hugh Cornwell singing.
    JJ was still sulking about it so much that he then perversely insisted that the follow up single was going to be a 6 minute slow-mo synth epic called "la folie" sung in French by him in the style of Serge Gainsbourg, based on the story of how a Japanese student in Paris loved his girlfriend so much that he killed her, kept her in the fridge and ate bits of her.
    Doubtless JJ felt vindicated when 'la folie' only got to number 47 in the charts and continued to sabotage the band's career in fine style :D

    Sorry where was I? Oh yes, drugs. Mmm-kay?
  16. avatar tinpot anto
    It's all clear to me now. Everything in your life up to this point has merely been a rehearsal. You were born for that songmeanings.net website.

    Go there and be at one with your destiny! :lol:
  17. avatar Chi-Lite
    That's my favourite website

    [quote:057882054c]this song was actually written about bisexuals not bicycles but it had to be changed for marketing purposes. [/quote:057882054c]

    Class. I want to ride my bisexual. :lol:

    [quote:057882054c]Hey, I love this song. I love the bit when he sings "I want to ride my bicycle!"[/quote:057882054c]
  18. avatar The enfant terrible
    Nothing compares 2 U is about quiting smoking.
  19. avatar Bobphoenix
    About 'I want to break free':

    [quote:73895d8130]It's about Freddie wanting to break free from his AIDS so he can get on with his love life.[/quote:73895d8130]
    Pure gold!
  20. avatar feline1
    [quote:9880d9b72f="Bobphoenix"]About 'I want to break free':

    [quote:9880d9b72f]It's about Freddie wanting to break free from his AIDS so he can get on with his love life.[/quote:9880d9b72f]
    Pure gold![/quote:9880d9b72f]

    LOL Poor wee Deakie Bass, will the public EVER remember he actually wrote the words and muslei for that one? :lol:
  21. avatar poppy
    I don't accept that the lyrics for 'Hey Mickey' are about anal sex. Unless there is an admission by Tony Basil that this is what its about. They could be construed in loads of ways and I think an eagerness to jump at the idea of them being about a cheerleader offering anal sex to try to 'turn' some man says a lot about the minds and insecurities of the people who came up with this. Unless of course Tony Basil (or whoever wrote the song) actually admits that this is what its about.
  22. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:71b2a9eb70="feline1"][quote:71b2a9eb70="Bobphoenix"]About 'I want to break free':

    [quote:71b2a9eb70]It's about Freddie wanting to break free from his AIDS so he can get on with his love life.[/quote:71b2a9eb70]
    Pure gold![/quote:71b2a9eb70]

    LOL Poor wee Deakie Bass, will the public EVER remember he actually wrote the words and muslei for that one? :lol:[/quote:71b2a9eb70]

    It was actually about him wanting to break free from queen so he could get on with his love life, but he was too shy to actually tell the rest of the band to their faces
  23. avatar feline1
    Poppy, I don't see what Toni Basil has got to do with it, just cos she wrote and sang the lyrics -
    the lyrics are "about" whatever the listener thinks of when they hear them. I mean I know returning to pre-Enlightenment Europe is becoming increasingly popular these days, but steady on! etc etc


    THOSE AN@L SECHS LYRICS IN FULL:

    Oh, Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine you blow my mind
    Hey, Mickey
    Hey, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine you blow my mind
    Hey, Mickey
    Hey, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine you blow my mind
    Hey, Mickey

    Hey, Mickey
    You've been around all night
    And that's a little long
    You think you've got the right
    But I think you've got it wrong
    Why can't you say goodnight
    So you can take me home, Mickey

    'Cause when you say you will
    It always means you won't
    You're givin' me the chills, baby
    Please, baby don't
    Every night you still leave me alone, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, what a pity
    You don't understand
    You take me by the heart
    When you take me by the hand
    Oh, Mickey, you're so pretty
    Can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Oh, what you do, Mickey, do, Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey

    Hey, Mickey

    Now when you take me by the hooves
    Who's ever gonna know
    And every time you move
    I let a little more show
    There's something you can use
    Wo don't say no, Mickey

    So come on and give it to me anyway you can
    Anyway you want to do it
    I'll take it like a man
    Oh, please baby, please
    Don't leave me in the damn, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, what a pity
    You don't understand
    You take me by the heart
    When you take me by the hand
    Oh, Mickey, you're so pretty
    Can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Oh, what you do, Mickey, do, Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine, you blow my mind
    Hey, Mickey, hey, Mickey
    Oh, Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine, you blow my mind
    Hey, Mickey, hey, Mickey
    Oh, Mickey, you're so fine
    You're so fine, you blow my mind
    Hey, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, what a pity
    You don't understand
    You take me by the heart
    When you take me by the hand
    Oh, Mickey, you're so pretty
    Can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Oh, what you do, Mickey, do, Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, what a pity
    You don't understand
    You take me by the heart
    When you take me by the hand
    Oh, Mickey, you're so pretty
    Can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Oh, what you do, Mickey, do, Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey

    Oh, Mickey, what a pity
    You don't understand
    You take me by the heart
    When you take me by the hand
    Oh, Mickey, you're so pretty
    Can't you understand
    It's guys like you, Mickey
    Oh, what you do, Mickey, do, Mickey
    Don't break my heart, Mickey


    (copied off some random googled website and thus probably just made up ANYWAYS ;0)

    Presumeably the lines...
    [i:b8b175dbf5]"So come on and give it to me anyway you can
    Anyway you want to do it
    I'll take it like a man" [/i:b8b175dbf5]
    ...could be construed as being an innuendo for sodomy.
    Although of course "take it like a man" is a familiar phrase used all the time without sexual connotations.

    Next week on Fastfude:
    How Frankie Goes to Hollywood's "RELAX" is actually not about not coming too soon at all, but in fact "relaxing" one's sphincter to accomodate a fist.
    TRUE FACT
    PROVEN BY SCIENCE
  24. avatar feline1
    [quote:5cfb3500b8="my-angel-rocks"][quote:5cfb3500b8="feline1"][quote:5cfb3500b8="Bobphoenix"]About 'I want to break free':

    [quote:5cfb3500b8]It's about Freddie wanting to break free from his AIDS so he can get on with his love life.[/quote:5cfb3500b8]
    Pure gold![/quote:5cfb3500b8]

    LOL Poor wee Deakie Bass, will the public EVER remember he actually wrote the words and muslei for that one? :lol:[/quote:5cfb3500b8]

    It was actually about him wanting to break free from queen so he could get on with his love life, but he was too shy to actually tell the rest of the band to their faces[/quote:5cfb3500b8]

    John Deacon's love life? He's been married since about 1972!
    All he ever "got on with" after leaving Queen was eating pizza and going for holidays in Biarritz
  25. avatar poppy
    [quote:99e953b974="tenrabbits"]Found out at the weekend that apparently Hey Mickey by Toni Basil is about her offering anal sex to try and get lucky with a gay guy she fancied.. the saucy minx.

    Made me wonder which other songs have hidden meanings like this?

    Points will be deducted for mentioning every breath you take.[/quote:99e953b974]

    The original post is insinuating that Tony Basil intentionally wrote the song about anal sex. Thats what I was getting at. I didn't say I don't believe in the listeners right to decide a song is about whatever - but I don't believe that this particular song was intentioanlly written about this particular act.
  26. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d78d85bea3="feline1"]John Deacon's love life? He's been married since about 1972![/quote:d78d85bea3]

    And constant touring was getting in the way...
  27. avatar tinpot anto
    [img:41cedd2d91]http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/20/subtextualbut128557522360070065.jpg[/img:41cedd2d91]

    Surely it is still ENTIRELY possible that the song was written by Toni Basil about teh buttsechs.
  28. avatar trepanner
    [quote:a1bdbade24="poppy"]but I don't believe that this particular song was intentioanlly written about this particular act.[/quote:a1bdbade24]


    [i:a1bdbade24]I[/i:a1bdbade24] don't believe this particular song was even written by Toni Basil. Which kinda knocks the rest of it on the head really.
  29. avatar feline1
    I am more intrigued by the line "And when you take me by the hooves, who's ever gonna know"

    Does this indicate the Toni Basil did in fact possess, not "feet", but CLOVEN HOOVES, and was/is in fact THE DEVIL?

    I think we should all check this with our local Free Presbyterianist advice centre.
  30. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:d2874f4912="feline1"]



    Now when you take me by the hooves
    Who's ever gonna know
    [/quote:d2874f4912]

    Never mind this whole naughty sex stuff, here's some kind of admission that she's the anti-christ!

    All that jumping around and playing with pom-poms whilst singing about anal sex, it's just a ruse to distract us from the fact that she has hooves and is an agent of satan.

    And I did my research*, and the video for the song cost $1,000,000, all of which went on sophisticated video effects to hide her hooves.




    *In actual fact, I may have made that up.
  31. avatar feline1
    [quote:bfcf4e5e83="trepanner"][quote:bfcf4e5e83="poppy"]but I don't believe that this particular song was intentioanlly written about this particular act.[/quote:bfcf4e5e83]


    [i:bfcf4e5e83]I[/i:bfcf4e5e83] don't believe this particular song was even written by Toni Basil. Which kinda knocks the rest of it on the head really.[/quote:bfcf4e5e83]


    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Well spotted.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_%28song%29 was actually written by that bloody Glam Rock think tank, Mike Chapmann & Nicky Chinn, who also wrote "The Best 70s Album in the World EVER", including "Blockbuster", "Wig Wam Bam", "Can the Can", "Tiger Feet", "That's Great, that's Crazy Prices", and dozens of other bits of tat. Chapman also produced Blondie's albums (starting with "Parallel Lines").
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  32. avatar feline1
    duplicate post
  33. avatar poppy
    Its actually "If you think about it whos ever gonna know" :roll:

    If "take it like a man" appearing in song lyrics is the universally recognised euphemysm for bum sex than there must be thousands of songs about bum sex. Including this one where a woman is demanding that her boyfriend let her do him in the bum:

    "Can take it like a man, steady and strong
    Not a lot of fuss and carrying on
    True to a promise I can ride in a storm
    Take it like a man who knows about love
    And every little things that a girl dreams of
    Someone wise enough to understand
    If you want this womans heart
    Take it like a man"

    But wait, that wouldn't sit right with the fantasy that every woman (especially a sexy cheerleader) is desperate to be dominated and degraded. Which is whats going on in the mind of the fantasist that came up with this interpretation of the lyrics.
  34. avatar tinpot anto
    [quote:b949396531]Blockbuster", "Wig Wam Bam", "Can the Can", "Tiger Feet", "That's Great, that's Crazy Prices", and dozens of other bits of tat.[/quote:b949396531]

    All about teh bumsehcs :lol:
  35. avatar trepanner
    Hmmm. From this it seems reasonable that Feline may be on to something and lyrics might be open to interpretation. Which means they are a poor excuse for an artform.

    Take [i:139cd647c9]proper[/i:139cd647c9] art, like say the Mona Lisa - no half measures here, the "enigmatic" smile is [i:139cd647c9]assuredly[/i:139cd647c9] all about anal sex.
  36. avatar thesacredhearts
    Does implied bumsechs hurt as much? Or am i not just implying it right?
  37. avatar feline1
    [quote:32dbec5cea="thesacredhearts"]Does implied bumsechs hurt as much? Or am i not just implying it right?[/quote:32dbec5cea]

    I suggest you find better lube. :P
  38. avatar tenrabbits
    Ah jolly good.. the fact that some journalist had posited that hey mickey was about trying to persuade a gay man to sleep with a straight woman (apparently after speaking to Toni Basil) has first off been portrayed as us shallow listeners wanting to find a distinct meaning in a song which is obviously stupid as songs are NEVER about particular things and artists are obfuscatory geniuses who mix metaphors with wild abandon that their talent allows. (c) feline.

    Yes.. even doherty and winehouse. GENIUSES ALL.

    Now.. and god knows I should have been expecting it, the idea originally popped into the journalists head as he was on his way to his daily 'degrade a woman' session, whereby he finds vulnerable ladies to dress up as cheerleaders and then persuades them that the road less travelled (I suppose this euphemism is probably indicative of MY misogyny as well) is all they deserve and should expect from men.

    Fastfude I salute thee. I shall add the necessary final touches to the debate now, with the traditional addition of religious and hate filled overtones:



    [img:37d1c72796]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/lityou/nazi-pope2.gif[/img:37d1c72796]
  39. avatar tenrabbits
    edited for accidental duplicate. Although I should probably have left the nazi picture in.
  40. avatar feline1
    [quote:7542f3a81a="tenrabbits"]edited for accidental duplicate. Although I should probably have left the nazi picture in.[/quote:7542f3a81a]

    Take it on the hoof!
  41. avatar poppy
    Oh sorry - I didn't realise I wasn't allowed an opinion. I'll just retreat quietly and not interfere. How thougtless of me to question your submissive cheerleader fantasy.
  42. avatar tenrabbits
    Haha! You're genius.. now it's the "poor little me for having an opinion" coupled with making the original idea mine!
  43. avatar thesacredhearts
    [quote:177fc1d57a="poppy"]Oh sorry - I didn't realise I wasn't allowed an opinion. I'll just retreat quietly and not interfere. How thougtless of me to question your submissive cheerleader fantasy.[/quote:177fc1d57a]

    Thats more like it! Pom pom?
  44. avatar tinpot anto
    tenrabbits are you implying that poppy is being a bit "Passive agressive", that's such typical unenlightened male behaviour, next you'll be calling her "hormonal"

    :lol:
  45. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    [quote:6d04c8d568]If the song had been called "hey mickey, you can do me in the ass if you want" I have a feeling it wouldn't have been quite as successful[/quote:6d04c8d568]

    I'd have bought it. Twice.
  46. avatar tenrabbits
    Here look.. there's no need to argue chaps.. I've found the original tape:

    [img:8140c6b000]http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/300/cassettekm2.jpg[/img:8140c6b000]
  47. avatar tenrabbits
    Not sure the edit function is working properly there.. was trying to remove the "chaps" bit as clearly my misogyny is poking through.
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  48. avatar poppy
    I didn't say the original idea was yours, but you chose to believe it despite the vagueness of the lyrics - you have to look pretty hard to come to the conclusion that the song is intentionally about anal sex. I think this attitude is silly, I come across it all the time and just thought I'd point it out thats all. If you're offended by my opinion thats too bad.

    Also I didn't say the song is definately not about anal sex, I just question why someone would jump to this conclusion.
  49. avatar tenrabbits
    Actually I think you'll find I chose not to really care about it, other than to wonder if there were any other songs which have subtext like this (should it exist.. which you clearly don't believe).

    Hence my post.

    Ironic that you choose to read so much into my post about reading into song meanings.
  50. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:591c87d12f="tenrabbits"] ...to wonder if there were any other songs which have subtext like this ...

    [/quote:591c87d12f]

    I'm pretty sure some of Alice in Chains's songs had other meanings.

    Like when she was singing about 'Dirt', I'm pretty sure she meant 'heroin'.

    It's all implied.
  51. avatar poppy
    The fact that you blithely and without question chose to believe this one poorly informed interpretation of really vague lyrics is what bothered me. I don't care what your original post was about, I just think this attitude is silly.
  52. avatar thesacredhearts
    Its a bit of a laugh no?
  53. avatar poppy
    I didn't make a huge issue out of this, I just expressed my opinion that the original conclusion tenrabbits jumped to was stupid. I just questioned his theory, thats all, and then everyone got all hot and bothered about me having a feminist stance, becuase in this day and age a woman has no right to be whining I guess.
  54. avatar Chi-Lite
    Here, stop going on love, would ye?
  55. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:d028644423="poppy"]I didn't make a huge issue out of this, I just expressed my opinion that the original conclusion tenrabbits jumped to was stupid. I just questioned his theory, thats all, and then everyone got all hot and bothered about me having a feminist stance, becuase in this day and age a woman has no right to be whining I guess.[/quote:d028644423]

    Just because you're a woman complaining about a man's interpretation of what a woman is saying doesn't really make it a feminist stance. Maybe this woman does want to be taken up the ass to get her man. Some women might go to these lengths and if a male happens to realise this about her and say it it doesn't mean he is saying all women operate this way. Therefore it doesn't make your whining about it feminist.

    It's better she reacted with compromise than to have to resort to homophobic slurs like Josie Cotton here:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxL1IT9MCc[/url]
  56. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Right in the pooper.
  57. avatar poppy
    [quote:d85e2d6774="The enfant terrible"][quote:d85e2d6774="poppy"]I didn't make a huge issue out of this, I just expressed my opinion that the original conclusion tenrabbits jumped to was stupid. I just questioned his theory, thats all, and then everyone got all hot and bothered about me having a feminist stance, becuase in this day and age a woman has no right to be whining I guess.[/quote:d85e2d6774]

    Just because you're a woman complaining about a man's interpretation of what a woman is saying doesn't really make it a feminist stance. Maybe this woman does want to be taken up the ass to get her man. Some women might go to these lengths and if a male happens to realise this about her and say it it doesn't mean he is saying all women operate this way. Therefore it doesn't make your whining about it feminist.

    It's better she reacted with compromise than to have to resort to homophobic slurs like Josie Cotton here:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxL1IT9MCc[/url][/quote:d85e2d6774]

    Once again, I didn't say that the song isn't about anal sex and also I didn't say that no woman ever acts this way. I just think its telling that tenrabbits jumped to the conclusion that the song is about anal sex when its really quite hard to see that in the lyrics at all. My feminist stance is not demonstrated by the fact that I disagree with a man, its demonstrated by the fact that I pointed out that there is an attitude that women are submissive objects who secretly want to be dominated. Something which I think is clear by tenrabbits willingness (and he's not the only one) to jump to this conclusion about the song just because of the lyric "I'll take it like a man" which could mean anything. I think that the fact that people are getting irate about my mere mentioning of the ambiguity here only serves to illustrate my point.
  58. avatar tinpot anto
    You want to kiss him.









    :lol:

    The song really isn't about the bummsecks, but sure it's a bit of a laugh to take it through as an idea and sure most of the argument was about the validity of heuristics anyway. I don't think anyone [i:9d97afc9ed]actually[/i:9d97afc9ed] believes that Toni Basil wanted a gay man to take her up the yazoo, because he wasn't fond of the other way. Do they?
  59. avatar Chi-Lite
    What are you talking about, sweet-cheeks?
  60. avatar tinpot anto
    Nothin' sugar-pie :-) :lol:
  61. avatar tenrabbits
    Have you actually read any of my posts? I never said at ANY point that I had reached the conclusion, particularly from the lyrics. I read an article by a journalist who had apparently spoken to Toni Basil (yes I'm aware she didn't write the original song).

    As for your 'feminist' stance.. it's possible the most misguided bit of 'feminism' I've read in a while. Surely for a start Toni Basil can use whatever means she wants to try and bed a man who's gay. That is her right AS A WOMAN. My ma (who is an actual feminist) is much more concerned right now with the current abortion law changes, which is certainly something you should maybe be turning your didactic abilities towards (such as they are) rather than attacking me for what is not actually an anti-feminist idea that wasn't actually mine but WAS meant to stimulate an internet debate about subtext in music.
  62. avatar trepanner
    Who was the journalist?
  63. avatar tinpot anto
    Oh sh1t - [b:bc14fd86a1]the A word[/b:bc14fd86a1], can you not see that Marty is ONLINE right now!!!?!?

    She clearly never wanted to have this guy give her it up the swanee. The idea is f*cking ridiculous. She probably said it as a joke.
  64. avatar tenrabbits
    Holy crap.. that's a fair point Anto.. I'm just hoping he skim reads my posts as usual, in the same way poppy appears to have done.

    As for the journo.. I've spent my lunch hour scanning t'internet trying to find the bloody article, but with no luck. I can't even remember where I sodding read the thing as it purely stuck in my head as a notion of subtext.
  65. avatar Chi-Lite
    I think she did.

    I'm trying to avoid the A word, for the benefit of us all
  66. avatar poppy
    [quote:454a633e6b="tenrabbits"]Have you actually read any of my posts? I never said at ANY point that I had reached the conclusion, particularly from the lyrics. I read an article by a journalist who had apparently spoken to Toni Basil (yes I'm aware she didn't write the original song).

    As for your 'feminist' stance.. it's possible the most misguided bit of 'feminism' I've read in a while. Surely for a start Toni Basil can use whatever means she wants to try and bed a man who's gay. That is her right AS A WOMAN. My ma (who is an actual feminist) is much more concerned right now with the current abortion law changes, which is certainly something you should maybe be turning your didactic abilities towards (such as they are) rather than attacking me for what is not actually an anti-feminist idea that wasn't actually mine but WAS meant to stimulate an internet debate about subtext in music.[/quote:454a633e6b]

    Once again: I did not say Tony Basil doesn't want it up the bum, I said the lyrics don't suggest this but if I read that she said it herself I'd believe it. I never questioned her right to bum sex "AS A WOMAN". I only questioned your willingness to jump to that conclusion - which you did as demonstrated by your first post which says that the lyrics are actually about anal sex etc.

    Secondly you have no idea what concerns me outside of this forum and I have no idea why you're bringing your ma into it.

    Oh yes, just so you could salve your hurt ego by proving that you care about women's issues (albeit in a blatantly tabloid and simplistic way) because your ma is a 'real' feminist.
  67. avatar Steven Dedalus
    Yes, but by endlessly talking about 'bum sex', and going over the same points again, and again, are we not prepetuating the whole* thing?


    *No pun intended. Really.
  68. avatar poppy
    I'm only defending my right to my opinion. My original post was simply pointing out that the logic of tenrabbits original post was flawed. I've been forced to go over the same ground because some people are (ironically) trying to get me to shut up instead of admitting that it actually is silly and offensive in a wearisome way to assume this kind of freudian meaning from those lyrics. I just pointed out that this says volumes about the person who interprets them like that, it didn't have to be a big deal.

    It would help if people would read my posts instead of continuing to accuse me of denying Toni Basil (or anyone) a right to anal sex.
  69. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:4ff85bc38a="poppy"]I'm only defending my right to my opinion. My original post was simply pointing out that the logic of tenrabbits original post was flawed. I've been forced to go over the same ground because some people are (ironically) trying to get me to shut up instead of admitting that it actually is silly and offensive in a wearisome way to assume this kind of freudian meaning from those lyrics. I just pointed out that this says volumes about the person who interprets them like that, it didn't have to be a big deal.

    It would help if people would read my posts instead of continuing to accuse me of denying Toni Basil (or anyone) a right to anal sex.[/quote:4ff85bc38a]

    No, I'm with you on this one! I think we've all lost our way in semantics, but I agree with your main point. Parts of this discussion have been more than a little childish, and in some cases, a bit iffy.

    And I include my own posts in that bracket.

    Now, lets all forget about it, huh?

    I mean, surely the real problem with all of this is that I've had "Hey Mickey" stuck in my head all day!

    I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
  70. avatar Chi-Lite
    Pah.

    It's actually a good tune though.

    Hey Mickey!

    And the obvious and indisputable self-loathing anti-feminist anal fixation just makes it that much more scrum-didly-umptious!

    MMmmm. Tony Basil!
  71. avatar T Entertainment
    The only way to solve this is a benefit gig. A benefit gig for anal sex.
  72. avatar zebulon
    Bumming for Jebus.
  73. avatar feline1
    [quote:77f84c21d1="poppy"]
    It would help if people would read my posts instead of continuing to accuse me of denying Toni Basil (or anyone) a right to anal sex.[/quote:77f84c21d1]

    Having read your posts, I must take you for task for your implicit subtext that the consensual sodomy of Toni Basil is somehow 'anti-feminist', and that sodomy is a form of male subjugation of women.

    Quite frankly, this is a load of @rse, and infact nothing more than a self-oppressing theoretical sadomasochism and lit-crit r@pe fantasy.
  74. avatar tinpot anto
    Are we rooting for being the bummer or bummee?

    Will we be giving so that others might give?


    No one has stopped to think about the real feelings involved. Toni wanted this guy so bad, but he loved c0ck and/or man bums. Did she love him in a holding hands christmas tree sort of way, or was she just a bit of horn-dog for him. did she offer him teh butesechs once or did she pester him with offers?

    I think yer woman's right though, there's a wee want there with some of yousens thinking about ould Toni as a horn dog wanting it up the brown from gayners and everything.


    The fact remains; members of the jury....


    Toni Basil is no Toni Collette.
  75. avatar trepanner
    [quote:5d2043416c="tinpot anto"] but he loved c0ck and/or man bums.[/quote:5d2043416c]

    I refuse to let you spread these rumours about Micky Dolenz any longer.
  76. avatar Captain Yesterday
    [quote:ede5a26aad="my-angel-rocks"][quote:ede5a26aad="feline1"][quote:ede5a26aad="Bobphoenix"]About 'I want to break free':

    [quote:ede5a26aad]It's about Freddie wanting to break free from his AIDS so he can get on with his love life.[/quote:ede5a26aad]
    Pure gold![/quote:ede5a26aad]

    LOL Poor wee Deakie Bass, will the public EVER remember he actually wrote the words and muslei for that one? :lol:[/quote:ede5a26aad]

    It was actually about him wanting to break free from queen so he could get on with his love life, but he was too shy to actually tell the rest of the band to their faces[/quote:ede5a26aad]

    Pissing myself at this :lol:

    As Feline1 points out, the bass player John Deacon wrote that one.

    I've heard it all now, who wants to live forever (written by Brian May) is about AIDS, bohemian rhapsody was also about AIDS blah blah blah

    What about Roger Taylor's songs (Bum) Action this day and Sheer @rse attack :-D

    why has nobody asked which Feline Dream songs are about the bumsechs...
  77. avatar feline1
    Well, 'Animal Daydreams' does go...

    ...[i:4ba7fab788]"We'll catch them bending when they're pouring the milk"[/i:4ba7fab788]

    ...but surely this is merely an innocent lyrical reference to Kate Bush's pederastic magnum opus, "The Infant Kiss"?
  78. avatar The enfant terrible
    I've just heard that Iggy Pop's I'm Bored is actually about how Iggy is bored. Fancy that?
  79. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    what about Lolly's version. Was it about dung-pushing too?
  80. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    wasnt 'hey mickie' about the lalt? i read that in an interview somewhere.
  81. avatar trixie sidebottom
    She's just a devil woman
    With evil on her mind
    Beware the devil woman
    She's gonna get you from behind

    [img:0847830f39]http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/kasey_11/000063_1_cliff-richard.jpg[/img:0847830f39]
  82. avatar poppy
    [quote:35fd80c176="feline1"][quote:35fd80c176="poppy"]
    It would help if people would read my posts instead of continuing to accuse me of denying Toni Basil (or anyone) a right to anal sex.[/quote:35fd80c176]

    Having read your posts, I must take you for task for your implicit subtext that the consensual sodomy of Toni Basil is somehow 'anti-feminist', and that sodomy is a form of male subjugation of women.

    Quite frankly, this is a load of @rse, and infact nothing more than a self-oppressing theoretical sadomasochism and lit-crit r@pe fantasy.[/quote:35fd80c176]

    It was the quickness to jump to this conclusion about a sexy cheerleader when thousands of other songs (by male and female) have the lyric 'take it like a man' - it wasn't about the consensual sodomy at all - I said if she'd said it herself I'd believe it. Anyway I do think anal sex has sado masochistic elements - it is a very painful thing for a woman (I'm sure it is for a man too but they have a prostate up there to sweeten the deal) deriving pleasure from painful experiences is the definition of masochistic so even if she did want it it would be a sado masochistic act. I didn't say the act itself is 'anti feminist' I used the word 'feminist' to refer to the way I am viewing the interpretation of the lyrics and I certainly don't have a rape fantasy but thanks for your freudian evaluation of my nature, that'll teach me.
  83. avatar Chi-Lite
    Yes, but will it teach you not to labour on and on and on about some, frankly, totally pointless issue?

    I hope it will.

    Next week, the self-asphyxiative implications of soap on a rope...from a post-structuralist-functional-feminist perspective. tune in.
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  84. avatar RockShandy
    With a lot of lube and a lot of time, you can get any woman to enjoy the backdoor bonanza.
  85. avatar trepanner
    [quote:b68c1e47f4="Chi-Lite"]Yes, but will it teach you not to labour on and on and on about some, frankly, totally pointless issue?
    [/quote:b68c1e47f4]

    !
  86. avatar feline1
    [quote:319cf5cf47="poppy"]Anyway I do think anal sex has sado masochistic elements - it is a very painful thing for a woman (I'm sure it is for a man too but they have a prostate up there to sweeten the deal) deriving pleasure from painful experiences is the definition of masochistic so even if she did want it it would be a sado masochistic act. [/quote:319cf5cf47]

    :roll: Dear lord.
    Are you actually unsane?
    Have you ever actually had sex?
    Use lube, relax, and take it slowly, with someone you trust.
    Then you might enjoy it the way millions of others do.
    In the meantime, how about you stop foisting your hysterical hang-ups and misinformed mentalisms onto the rest of us?
    (Point of order: having a prostate, a very sensitive and easily bruised gland, tends to make the experience MORE prone to discomfort if not done right.)

    But hey, look don't feel bad about it. I mean I was about 30 before I managed to take a fist :lol:
  87. avatar trepanner
    You have just put me right off my egg soda.
  88. avatar feline1
    [quote:d67e8c502a="trepanner"]You have just put me right off my egg soda.[/quote:d67e8c502a]

    What were you doing on top of your egg soda in the first place? :?
  89. avatar trepanner
    Trying to get inspiration for lyrics.
  90. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:dd344c3853="Chi-Lite"]Yes, but will it teach you not to labour on and on and on about some, frankly, totally pointless issue?

    [/quote:dd344c3853]

    God, you can talk!
  91. avatar Chi-Lite
    Ach well i mean alright, I maybe go on about some things that yous aren't interested in, but this is just somebody trying to take umbrage at some perceived sexist interpretation of anal sex that doesn't really exist.

    Just because yous aren't interested, I don't just make things up off the top of my head to make an issue. In fact, usually yous are all goading me into saying something about some issue that someone else has introduced.

    I don't just randomly come on this website and go "Yous are all heathens!", or "I'm sick of all this anti-christian sentiment in the football thread!"

    I only labour on and on about some issue when someone has brought it up, and usually only when someone else goads me into saying something.


    But yeah, ok, point taken. The length of this very post has caused a rethink. :-D

    Still, in this case, starting a whole big sexism debate because someone mentioned how the lyrics of an 80s cheerleading song could be construed in a certain way is pretty pointless, even more so than debating metaphysics with a quantum physicist.

    Surely tenrabbits was just saying "here, look what someone told me the other day...isn't that mad!"
  92. avatar trepanner
    Jesus. At least a year of lengthy rants and all attempts to derail you, calm you down or make you belt up fail, all reason and science cast aside under a weight of "ism's" and "ity's", and now finally you have a change of heart and mind BECAUSE OF BUM SEX!?!??!??!

    This Bum Sex has legs. I'm taking Bum Sex to the highest level. I'm coming at Fred Phelps with the Bum Sex, at Dubya with the Bum Sex, at the Ayatollah with the Bum Sex.

    Bum Sex may yet heal the world.
  93. avatar tinpot anto
    I think we should end this debacle by having each participant attempt to name 5 songs which are DEFINITELY NOT AND IN NO WAY CAN BE CONSTRUED as being about bangle bashing.

    I for one cannot, apart from Ave Maria.

    And Marty like

    [quote:16cf852460]I don't just randomly come on this website and go "Yous are all heathens!", or "I'm sick of all this anti-christian sentiment in the football thread!"[/quote:16cf852460] :lol:
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  94. avatar Chi-Lite
    Aye well. Sure neither I do.
  95. avatar captain a
    this made me think about that tune of the pixies record where the first line where kim deal says 'this is a song about a superhero called tony, its called tony's theme'

    i hear that was inspired by this thread.
  96. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:94a2a58b04="tinpot anto"]I think we should end this debacle by having each participant attempt to name 5 songs which are DEFINITELY NOT AND IN NO WAY CAN BE CONSTRUED as being about bangle bashing.[/quote:94a2a58b04]

    What, what (in the butt)?
  97. avatar poppy
    Look: as I said several times my original post was only mentioning the fact that I don't think the song is about anal sex. Thats all. I am not interested in 'going on' about anything, I am only trying to defend myself from personal attacks and my right to an opinion.

    I don't appreciate getting told that I 'need to use lube' or need a fisting because I don't think that 'Hey Mickey' is about anal sex and I had the nerve to question the thinking behind this. I'm not 'hysterical' about this issue, I was pointing it out in an almost bored fashion having come acrioss this type of thing a lot. I had no intention of getting further involved in any kind of discussion until I was forced to stand up for myself.


    I don't think no one enjoys anal sex, I just said it has to have some kind of masochistic element because anything I've ever read about it reinforces the idea that it does hurt, I've no reason to believe it doesn't. Pleasure in pain = masochism - look it up.

    I don't mind having a heated discussion but the last post directed at me by feline 1 was a bit more vitriol than I think is neccessary in this case.

    I think that accusing me of needing to use lube, be fisted and of having a rape fantasy is a really crap way to get on.
  98. avatar Bobphoenix
    [quote:8e6b0a8d1e]I for one cannot, apart from Ave Maria[/quote:8e6b0a8d1e]

    So I looked up the lyrics for Ave Maria, then I got an english translation. I furiously looked them over, searching for any hint that that it could be about Anal. Found a few lines that could be and was going to post them....

    ...Then I thought, 'What the fuck am I doing?'

    I am ashamed of myself. [i:8e6b0a8d1e]I[/i:8e6b0a8d1e] need a good fisting...
  99. avatar feline1
    [quote:70cced68d2="poppy"]
    I don't think no one enjoys anal sex, I just said it has to have some kind of masochistic element because anything I've ever read about it reinforces the idea that it does hurt, I've no reason to believe it doesn't. [/quote:70cced68d2]

    Speaking as someone who's doubtless had more things rammed up his @ss than you've had hot dinners,
    I find your willful ignorance, dogma and sexual stereotyping probably offensive and definitely hilarious.

    Sodomites get enough prejudice against them without so-called "feminists" who haven't a f*cking clue what they're talking about pronouncing that their love-making is inescapably masochistic.

    "Bottom" line (see what I did there?):
    if penetrative sex of any kind *hurts*, you're probably doing it wrong.
  100. avatar The enfant terrible
    [quote:53f9cfb87f="feline1"]
    if penetrative sex of any kind *hurts*, you're probably doing it wrong.[/quote:53f9cfb87f]

    That or your bits don't fit (or it's not "loving sex").
  101. avatar poppy
    I didn't say penetration of any kind hurts, you are the one being hysterical now. Also I am not even discussing sex between men, and in fact my whole argument here is not based on the idea of anal sex with a man and a woman being masochistic - that was a semantic point thrown in that doesn't have much to do with my argument at all. I have no idea what sex is like for a gay man and thats not what I'm concerning myself with here - I know women who have had anal sex and I've come across it in articles/books etc and every account sees it as a painful experience - and since I am a woman with a womans body I imagine this is true.

    In any case this is beside the point I was originally making before you jumped on me like a rabid dog. I also didn't label myself a 'feminist' (which is clearly a nasty word on this forum) I said I was viewing this argument from a feminist point of view. At the end of the day there is a legitimacy to my original point, and I'm sorry if you became offended by something that wasn't directed at you or any gay men but its still going a bit far to accuse me of having rape fantasy syndrome and of needed to get lubed up and fisted. Can't you just disagree with me without actually attacking me on a sexual level on an open forum? I don't think you would speak to a person like that in real life so why do you think its ok here?
  102. avatar The Grace Jones
    You are being wound up, stop biting.



    And he [i:736bfdb96a]does[/i:736bfdb96a] talk to people that way in real life, he's fist and bums on the bloody brain that one.
  103. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    is fisting [i:692a5e50d3]valid[/i:692a5e50d3] though?

    also

    [quote:692a5e50d3]A man walks down the street
    He says why am I soft in the middle now
    Why am I soft in the middle
    The rest of my life is so hard
    I need a photo-opportunity
    I want a shot at redemption
    Don't want to end up a cartoon
    In a cartoon graveyard
    Bonedigger Bonedigger
    Dogs in the moonlight
    Far away my well-lit door
    Mr. Beerbelly Beerbelly
    Get these mutts away from me
    You know I don't find this stuff amusing anymore
    If you'll be my bodyguard
    I can be your long lost pal
    I can call you Betty
    And Betty when you call me
    You can call me Al

    A man walks down the street
    He says why am I short of attention
    Got a short little span of attention
    And wo my nights are so long
    Where's my wife and family
    What if I die here
    Who'll be my role-model
    Now that my role-model is
    Gone Gone
    He ducked back down the alley
    With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
    All along along
    There were incidents and accidents
    There were hints and allegations

    If you'll be my bodyguard
    I can be your long lost pal
    I can call you Betty
    And Betty when you call me
    You can call me Al
    Call me Al

    A man walks down the street
    It's a street in a strange world
    Maybe it's the Third World
    Maybe it's his first time around
    He doesn't speak the language
    He holds no currency
    He is a foreign man
    He is surrounded by the sound
    The sound
    Cattle in the marketplace
    Scatterlings and orphanages
    He looks around, around
    He sees angels in the architecture
    Spinning in infinity
    He says Amen! and Hallelujah!

    If you'll be my bodyguard
    I can be your long lost pal
    I can call you Betty
    And Betty when you call me
    You can call me Al
    Call me Al
    [/quote:692a5e50d3]

    = bumsecs
  104. avatar feline1
    [quote:4286cafce0="poppy"] - and since I am a woman with a womans body I [b:4286cafce0]imagine[/b:4286cafce0] this is true.
    [/quote:4286cafce0]

    You have a woman's hands, m'lud?

    It's true, yes - most of this *is* just in your "imagination".
  105. avatar tinpot anto
    Look poppy is clearly not dissing the potential fun to be had up the bung chute.

    Edit: Oh wait she was, carry on.

    Just that Tenrabbits thinks all the ladies are secretly yearning for him to a55 r@pe them, which is a problem he should seek help with. We've shown this to be the case and he should also apologise.


    [i:bf5f830ec6]And Betty when you call me
    You can call me Al [/i:bf5f830ec6]

    yes, Paul [i:bf5f830ec6]AN[/i:bf5f830ec6]-AL!!1!!
  106. avatar The enfant terrible
    Man I'd rather buck faff than dunger. What's all this talk of bumsex? I mean some ladies don't like it, as that wonderful sketch on smack the pony showed us. Why don't guys just accept that relationships are about compromise and if you want bumsex too, maybe you got ask is it worth breaking the heart of the girl ya love, cause if it ain't leave it alone.

    PS Hey Mickey couldn't be about anything else other than bumsex. Call me Al is about feeling lonely and wanting to have buddies!
  107. avatar fortknox
    My first post!
    [b:4a9016e869]Hey mickey. Hmm.[/b:4a9016e869] Think thrice. It pertains to calling to a very pretty boy. Definitely so not a call for a grown gay man. To analyze it, it's a kids' bop song sung in cheer leading format. Don't get this wrong. It's actually not the bum sex which calls to a gay man.