1. avatar Desus
    [b:5e394e3531][size=18:5e394e3531]Radar Live presents[/size:5e394e3531]

    [size=24:5e394e3531]Fighting With Wire

    Desert Hearts

    Team Fresh

    [/size:5e394e3531][/b:5e394e3531]

    Thursday 1st May
    Speakeasy Bar
    Queens Students Union

    Adm: FREE
    Doors 9pm


    Pints Tennants £1.50

    Dancing 'til late

    www.myspace.com/fightingwithwire
    www.myspace.com/deserthearts
    www.myspace.com/teamfreshforever
  2. avatar Desus
    Bump
  3. avatar alex
    Fantastic
  4. avatar Desus
    Boing!
  5. avatar clss_act_00
    really looking forward to this
  6. avatar Desus
    Thats this Thursday!
  7. avatar Desus
    Bumpity!
  8. avatar Desus
    Tonight
  9. avatar denise
    Does anyone have stage times for this?
  10. avatar Desus
    Same as every other Radar?

    Team Fresh 10.15

    Desert Hearts 11.00

    Fighting With Wire 11.45
  11. avatar Niall Harden
    can non-students get in?
    etc etc

    can't wait for this..
  12. avatar Desus
    [quote:43d879bc16="Niall Harden"]can non-students get in?
    etc etc
    [/quote:43d879bc16]


    I will bite your head off!!
  13. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    There is no doubt in my mind that FWW are going to make it. They play every gig like their lives depend on it or that it's their last.

    They were f##kin outstanding last night.

    First time seeing Team Fresh and I really was really impressed by them.

    As for Desert Hearts, they looked like a band that had a row with each other before they went on stage.

    It wasn't pretty to watch. I've seen them about a half a dozen times over the past 5 years and while they are by no means a favourite band of mine, I've seen Charlie tear up places. But last night was pitiful. They looked like a band that couldn't give a f##k about being up on stage.
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  14. avatar Niall Harden
    I only caught the last Team Fresh song but it sounded like Limp Bizkit.
    Couldn't really fault Desert Hearts. Well, maybe lay off the wah pedal. Or put it in a bin.
    Fighting With Wire sound like modern music.
  15. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    See this is where the problem lies, with fellas such as Mr Harden.

    You couldn't really fault Desert Hearts? For f##k sake Nial have a bit of integrity for once and admit that it was painful to watch. The atmosphere that Team Fresh have bulit up in the Speakeasy was quickly gone when Desert Hearts where 2 songs into their set, and they looked like a band that weren't at ease with themselves.

    The one thing about the local music scene is that punters such as yourself that are quick to hammer other bands online, never have the balls to admit that the like of Desert Hearts or Tracer AMC ever have bad gigs. For god sake Niall, have the wit to grow a set of balls please.


    Fair play to Charlie, at least you know where he stands when he's on stage, pity the likes of yourself aren't the same.
  16. avatar RM
    c'mon Niall, get back into the ring lad.
  17. avatar T Entertainment
    "Fighting With Wire sound like modern music."

    Did you post that while jumped up on a stool like a matron who's just spotted a mouse, clutching a Big Star cassingle to your bosom?
  18. avatar Niall Harden
    i've seen desert hearts and tracer amc have plenty of bad gigs, but i didn't think that was one. the car-crash element to their sets has always been one of the things i liked best. bit of danger, innit. fighting with wire: no danger. i think you and i look for different things in a rock show.

    T Ents: they're plenty good, sure, but it's the sort of thing you hear on... well, on MTV2. best of luck to them at all, but 99% of all that competent nothing-music leaves me somewhere between cold and freezing.
  19. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Oh your still talking balls, Harden.

    If Desert Hearts had played a blinder last night, then this thread would have been full of the usual arselickers raving on about them, instead it's gone a bit quiet. At least show the band a bit of respect and be honest about it.

    Your quick to have a pop at anything that you don't deem valid or worthy, but will never the guts to tell bands that you love and are mates with that they've had a bad one.

    Grow a backbone for once you snivelling shower of f##kwits.
  20. avatar Niall Harden
    i say plenty of nice things about bands who "aren't my thing."
    i also harshly criticise a lot of bands i'm good friends with.

    and here's me taking issue with dsr:
    http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=18384

    so, in short, bite me, and leave "snivelling shower of fuckwits" out of it.
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  21. avatar rentaghost
    For what it's worth, here's my opinion.

    Team Fresh were class. I really enjoyed their set. They reminded me of ADF at times and in a good way, but with a Belfast accent. They were clearly out to play the best gig they could and the effort they put in payed off, with the crowd responding really, really well. And Niall - I could have sworn I saw you smirking behind your hand whilst everyone else was applauding them, so I'm surpised to see you write anything positive about them on here at all.

    I would pay to see Team Fresh again and will be looking out for them on the local gig scene.

    Desert Hearts were unexpectedly bad. I have to confess that this was the first time I had seen this band perform, and I can honestly say that I wont be rushing out to see them again. For a band that are seemingly such darlings of the local music scene they showed little more than apathetic contempt for the audience and smacked of a band resting on laurels they may have earned some time ago. I checked with some other people to see if it was perhaps just me who didn't 'get' them, but apart from one vote of support for their "contrariness" everyone else was bored rigid with them. Maybe I'm just not post-modern enough, but when the only people in the crowd who are remotely interested in your performance are a small coterie of acolytes who have decided that they are in on the joke I would say that as a band you have real problems. The band looked bored and disinterested in what they were doing, and there were too many meaningless gaps in the set.

    Last night Desert Hearts wore Emperors New Clothes to a degree which woudl have made Hans Christan Andersen proud. I was actually quite embarrassed for them, given the amount of hype Charlie was getting on another thread in the general forum.

    Smitty assures me that it's Charlie's integrity that means he comes across as lacklustre every so often, but if you are in a band, are you not supposed to put your material forward in the best way you can? Is playing live not the place where the music you work so hard on is meant to come alive?

    I only wish Desert Hearts had been first on the bill, so I could have had a chance to watch Heroes before heading out for the night. Dynamically a different running order would have made much more sense,. Its my view that Team Fresh should have gone on as the band before FWW.

    Car crash? Danger? The only danger with this DH gig was that Joe might just have decided not to have been arsed in going onstage at all. He seemed to take his sweet time getting round to it.

    It was actually quite painful to observe the marked contrast between DH and FWW.

    On the basis of this performance, (and again to the best of my knowledge this is the first time I have seen FWW live) Cahir and co deserve the success they have been getting recently and long may it continue. Clearly a band with testicles, as Cahir himself stated.
  22. avatar Niall Harden
    like i said, the Team Fresh song i caught sounded like Limp Bizkit - dated and silly.
    but, i heard afterwards from people that caught the rest of their set that it was much better. and i do (or did - haven't been in a while) like the songs on the myspace.

    for me, songs like no more art, last song and sea punk are proper classics, and the element of danger in a desert hearts show means it'll be different every time. sure, charlie's a reprehensible bastard, and with a quarter of the work ethic of FWW (or Team Fresh, probably) DSR might've got somewhere.
    believe me, i've seen them on a proper off day and it is horrible.

    Fighting With Wire i've seen about four times and it's always more or less the same. plenty of bombast. plenty of gusto.
    but, nothing against them, but none of their [i:0d343eb33e]songs[/i:0d343eb33e] does anything for me. simple. we like different things. simple.
  23. avatar rentaghost
    Thats the thing though Niall. The DH songs themselves were fine - it was the delivery that was lacking any welly.

    and if [i:a2d95f6031] that[/i:a2d95f6031] wasn't an off-night I wouldn't like to see what was!
  24. avatar Steven Dedalus
    I'm with Niall on this one. Whilst I didn't make it to last night's gig, one of the things that I've always enjoyed about Desert Hearts is that they're pretty...touchy. I've seen them play great sets, full of energy, and I’ve seen them play really antagonistic sets, where they didn't even seem to acknowledge the crowd, and on those occasions where Mr Mooney did look up and see that there were people watching, he treated them with nothing but scorn.

    But that's part of their charm, in my opinion. You just don't know what you're going to get. Plus, regardless of their mood, the songs are great.

    Fighting With Wire are grand, I suppose, but I just don't find anything interesting in their brand of MTV2 friendly, pretend American indie rock.

    Which was precisely the problem I found with Mr O'Doherty's other band, Jetplane Landing. I recall catching them once, and being really impressed by a heartfelt rant about indie ethics and stuff from Andrew Ferris. I was a bit disappointed to discover that he said this every night, and this moment of 'spontaneity' had been pre-planned, and they'd done it every night on the tour, changing the names to suit the location.

    Fighting With Wire are good - and I wish them all the best - but they don't excite me at all, and there is something completely workmanlike in their approach. Which is something Desert hearts will never be.
  25. avatar rentaghost
    it you cant be arsed to acknowledge your audience - whether confrontationally or otherwise, you are in the wrong job, imho.

    One of the best (and most dangerous) examples I have seen of a more confrontational style recently was at the Reverend and the Makers gig, where the frontman was picking a fight with the crowd from word go. confrontation when done well can be great.

    how is apathy dangerous?
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  26. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Actually I'm away to put on some Curtis Mayfield as Mr Harden and that fella with the silly surmane are talking pure balls.
  27. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:d1194d673a="rentaghost"]it you cant be arsed to acknowledge your audience - whether confrontationally or otherwise, you are in the wrong job, imho.

    [/quote:d1194d673a]

    What about the Band? They were a group of guys who played to each other, had trouble acknowledging the audience, and still made some of the most incredible music ever.

    Or Bob Dylan, who has a bit of a reputation for not acknowledging the audience. Or that Van Morrison fella. Or yer man, Nick Drake. He had a bit of a problem with that as well, if I recall.

    The point still stands here that Desert Hearts are a [i:d1194d673a]song [/i:d1194d673a]band, whereas FWW are a [i:d1194d673a]perfroming[/i:d1194d673a] band. And their style of performing does nothing for me.

    [quote:d1194d673a]Actually I'm away to put on some Curtis Mayfield as Mr Harden and that fella with the silly surmane are talking pure balls. [/quote:d1194d673a]

    Erm, I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
  28. avatar Daveitferris
    I wasnt at the show, but i've seen Desert hearts and Fighting with wire play. Obviously more-so fighting with wire.

    My only comment is the use of this 'mtv2' sound. Its the easy man's (and creditable) way of saying 'something i know will defintly sell, and have mass impact, but if i say that my cred is gonna go down to chinatown'.

    bah humbug
  29. avatar Daveitferris
    [quote:d69cdeecdf="Steven Dedalus"][quote:d69cdeecdf="rentaghost"]it you cant be arsed to acknowledge your audience - whether confrontationally or otherwise, you are in the wrong job, imho.

    [/quote:d69cdeecdf]

    What about the Band? They were a group of guys who played to each other, had trouble acknowledging the audience, and still made some of the most incredible music ever.

    Or Bob Dylan, who has a bit of a reputation for not acknowledging the audience. Or that Van Morrison fella. Or yer man, Nick Drake. He had a bit of a problem with that as well, if I recall.

    The point still stands here that Desert Hearts are a [i:d69cdeecdf]song [/i:d69cdeecdf]band, whereas FWW are a [i:d69cdeecdf]perfroming[/i:d69cdeecdf] band. And their style of performing does nothing for me.

    [quote:d69cdeecdf]Actually I'm away to put on some Curtis Mayfield as Mr Harden and that fella with the silly surmane are talking pure balls. [/quote:d69cdeecdf]

    Erm, I'm not really sure what you're getting at.[/quote:d69cdeecdf]

    what about any band in [i:d69cdeecdf]this[/i:d69cdeecdf] day and age who've made a success via acting like the audience arent there?
  30. avatar Niall Harden
    no, but this day and age is balls.

    right, i'm away to the pub to watch [url=http://www.myspace.com/notsquares]the most modern band of all[/url], but because they are my friends, i'll claim i liked it even if i didn't.
  31. avatar thecunnyfunt
    shoegaze, anybody?
  32. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:fedbdeae8c="Daveitferris"]

    what about any band in [i:fedbdeae8c]this[/i:fedbdeae8c] day and age who've made a success via acting like the audience arent there?[/quote:fedbdeae8c]

    The Fall, Godspeed, Dinosaur Jr, My Bloody Valentine, etc.

    And the point I'm making is not that the act of not acknowledging the audience is going to make you 'successful', but rather that it can be preferable to a bunch of chaps 'putting on the moves'.

    I mean, which is more honest? Desert Hearts perfroming good songs, but in the manner of people who can't be arsed, or Fighting With Wire jumping about and full of energy, but they might as well be performing a Chinese takeaway menu. And then to watch them do it exactly the same, over and over again?

    Like I say, I'm not having a go at FWW. Loads of people like them, and they're doing well for themselves. But they do nothing for me. Desert hearts might have a bad attiutde, but they've got great songs, and that makes them ok in my book.
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  33. avatar thecunnyfunt
    [quote:88bd15ead2="Daveitferris"]
    My only comment is the use of this 'mtv2' sound. Its the easy man's (and creditable) way of saying 'something i know will defintly sell, and have mass impact, but if i say that my cred is gonna go down to chinatown'.
    [/quote:88bd15ead2]

    Or 'Sounds like it's off of MTV2'
  34. avatar thesacredhearts
    Know what though, the two things that this bands have in common is that they probably don't give a fiddlers whether we think their music is "shoegaze" or "mtv 2" centric.

    And that more than anything gives them credibility aside from their artistic output or performance.

    For what its worth, i've never thought much of Desert Hearts live, and that gig confirmed my previous thoughts. FWW on the other hand were as tight as ya like, engaging, and can work a crowd.

    And that has nothing to do with either bands music.
  35. avatar Gogs
    I think FWW write blinding songs, and Desert Hearts have always bored me.

    God, look at all of us having differing opinions! Whodathunkit!
  36. avatar luke
    Even at their very very worst desert hearts are still an absolute delight. I don't care for this argument about recognising the crowd, i mean, who knows what's going on in charlie's mind? Not sure what was up with Joe last night though, something seemed very odd. I think I'll love them no matter what they do, they have something special about them, every song is incredible, and no matter what they're doing on stage I can't stop staring.
    But FWW are something altogether different, but I love it just as much. They make me feel energised and jealous, and I think that's what I want to get out of going to rock shows.
  37. avatar DonkeyZSP
    hey guys

    donkey from team fresh here, just wanna say thanks to everyone that came down early to catch us, we had a ball!!

    hopefully see ya's soon

    stay fresh

    www.myspace.com/teamfreshforever
  38. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    I like that when smitty and his wife dont like a band's show it becomes a 3 page thread.

    Smitty, we had a fun gig. If it looked like we were bored, then we were giving the wrong impression.

    FWW and Team Fresh rocked out.
  39. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Ack Joe it's an internet forum, is telling the truth a probelm?

    Or do we all have to toe the party line?
  40. avatar nodancing
    What i saw of team fresh i liked. Saw them up in Portrush over christmas and loved them in a smaller venue. very energetic.
    I thought the Hearts were great last night, but i was at the front and am obviously a fan of the band so that could have swayed things. I did notice when i turned round that a good few peoples faces seemed to express indifference. Different strokes i guess. I think it also helps knowing the songs. I find myself filling in the missing second guitar parts in my head etc which i can't do with a band i've only seen once or twice.

    Didn't really catch Fighting with Wire so can't comment.

    General Fiasco were great earlier in Laverys too :-)
  41. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    Smitty i have no idea what youre talking about. What are you talking about btw?
  42. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    Oh Joe, I thought you were being a bit sarcastic by going about on me and the missus not liking a gig and then a discussion taking place on a music forum between those with differning opinions on said gig.

    I got the feeling you were being a little sensitive to critisism.

    My apologies.
  43. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:985a308c09="Joeplaysthedrums"]I like that when smitty and his wife dont like a band's show it becomes a 3 page thread.
    [/quote:985a308c09]


    :shock:

    Dear God, man, what century are you living in?
    I'll have you know I have my own bank account and the right to vote and [i:985a308c09]everything[/i:985a308c09], including my own opinions.

    And if you have read my post you will see that I asked around for other peoples opinions, at least five other people, as a matter of fact. And since I'm not a fundamentalist mormon, I can confirm that I am not married to any of the other people.

    So yeah, I'll just get back to the kitchen sink there, marvellous....

    but when you are addressing me on here, I think you'll find I have a name.
  44. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    Cheers Smitty. Your wife seems a bit touchy btw.
  45. avatar Desus
    [quote:83816ac6b6="luke"] Not sure what was up with Joe last night though, something seemed very odd. [/quote:83816ac6b6]

    He was well oiled I'd say!
  46. avatar thesacredhearts
    [quote:f24faf3766="Joeplaysthedrums"]Cheers Smitty. Your wife seems a bit touchy btw.[/quote:f24faf3766]

    LMAO!
  47. avatar Gogs
    :lol:
  48. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    The missus is currently offline, at Common Grounds running yet another of the too many gigs that Belfast has.

    She has told me she will respond in due course.
  49. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    Smitty, this is not the place to express disrespect for your wife's profession. FFS.
  50. avatar 10rapid
    Did you purposely come on to start a row?
    You didn't like desert hearts last night so you must be right and anyone that thinks otherwise must be talking out of their hole?

    fuck sake get a grip.

    Desert hearts were class.
    are class
    and will continue to be class.

    I've seen them play ropey gigs and last night wasn't one of them. and don't think i'm on here commending them because i want to be part of "the scene".
    Bollocks to that. I'm way too old to care about scenes etc.
  51. avatar tenrabbits
    Last night was an odd one.. first off I thought the sound in Speakeasy was balls for all the bands.. it just was a bit empty sounding for some reason - that may have been where I was sitting though! Loved Team Fresh - initially thought it was going to be awful when I realised the format, but was genuinely impressed. Goan the boys from the portrush! Desert Hearts certainly weren't best I've seen em, and I wasn't sure if there were some sparks flyin inside the band, but as per usual the quality of the songs shone through for me. I've heard them loads but they still blow me away.
    Which is where Fighting with Wire fell down to my ears - as people have said, great energy but this is the second time I've seen them, and the music just bored me after a while. How many times can adding "woah-oh" to a song work over the length of a set? The edge that the desert hearts have is missing, replaced with polished radio friendly hooks repeated ad infinitum.

    I do genuinely wish them success, because they work hard and put on a good show, but on the strength of what I've seen I can't imagine them producing something of the quality of gravitas or sea punk, or most of the other desert hearts songs.

    I'd rather have a band that can be truly amazing, but may fall to pieces occasionally, than one that produces the exact same well practiced show with no real high OR low points.
  52. avatar tenrabbits
    I'd also like to state that myself and J (10rapid) didn't plan to logon at the same time and big up the hearts there!

    At least I managed not to spend last night shouting "EMO SHITE" at fww eh dude?!
  53. avatar 10rapid
    aye. if i was in the OC i'd be happy for FWW to soundtrack my life. but i'm not. and unless marissa comes back to life and requires a fat, greasy, tennents addled boyfriend i'm unlikely to ever be.

    and seriously, what's all the nonsense about slagging oxegen from the emo-er than thou high ground onstage when we all know you're playing the radio 1 fuckin big weekend fuckin roadshow with newton faulkner and adele!

    FOR REAL MAAANNNN
  54. avatar 10rapid
    in ref to what's written below:

    yes, critical debate is grand but does not consist of being ignorant and patronising to those of us (eg niall) who do not share your view.
    I really enjoyed the desert hearts last night. I've seen them better and I've seen them worse, but i've seen them about a million times so that's natural.

    and there's no backslapping involved. I don't know them, I'm not in a band and i'm most definitely not part of a scene so i've nothing to gain.

    as for critical debate...here's an example: I've loved everything greg dulli has done since about 1992 when i bought my first afghan whigs album.
    I saw twilight singers in dublin and it remains one of the best gigs i've been to.
    But i think gutter twins album is ropey and their limelight gig was mediocre. I believe you enjoyed it?
    but i'm not on here telling you to "grow a pair" because my opinions differ.
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  55. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    No I didn't come on here to start a row.

    Having that old one thrown at me, sums up the usual backslapping ballix of it all, that critical debate frightens certain elements on here.

    That's all I'm saying on the matter. I've had my point proven. Thanks.
  56. avatar PaulATL
    whats this about Smitty doing a page 3 spread?

    here smitty check your pms pls, need some pics from ning if you got em
  57. avatar Niall Harden
    no it doesn't, and no you haven't.
    you've spouted an unbelievable amount of rubbish, even by your own standards.

    there was no problem with you saying "i didn't enjoy them" and me saying "well i did", but when you started reading stuff into it and getting offensive and belligerent, it just became embarrassing.

    eh guys? eh? who's with me?


    guys?
  58. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    Smitty is an idiot. Anyone?
  59. avatar tenrabbits
    Burn the witch!
  60. avatar rigsyATL
    [quote:2d581ba5c5]No I didn't come on here to start a row. [/quote:2d581ba5c5]

    !?!

    then why did you start firing abuse at someone who simply said they enjoyed a band, without referencing you or your opinion whatsover?

    the only way that wouldn't start a row is if that person went 'yeah you're right, i [i:2d581ba5c5]am[/i:2d581ba5c5] a ballbag, i was only saying i liked them cause they're my mates, i'm a liar etc etc'

    maybe thats what you expected to happen?! ;-)

    btw, heard from a few people that desert hearts were great last night, including a guy who'd seen them twice before and hated them. he was pissed tho.

    general fiasco were class as well, really could kick off for that lot!
  61. avatar rigsyATL
    ps - i am well aware you're comeback is going to be something about me brown-nosing desert hearts or only saying something to be cool or backslapping yadda yadda yadda
  62. avatar PaulATL
    oh baby jesus
  63. avatar rigsyATL
    i have a night off, and if i choose to spend it arguing with men of the internets, that's my business ;-)

    altho lets not, smitty.

    i'm just making a genuine point that there's always going to be this attitude that people are only saying they like a certain band because they are mates, or because they are cool or the emperors new clothes or whatever. it does happen, definitely. and in our line of work we have to try and avoid getting caught up in it and see past misguided hype.

    in this case however, i honestly don't think thats what going on. when desert hearts play the kind of show i assume they did (judging by your comments) last night, it actually really impresses some people. what you see as indifference or whatever other people get off on.

    i've seen niall slag off loads of bands i know he likes/is mates with, so i totally think you were a bit OTT.

    perfectly resonable observation, hope it leads to the type of useful debate and discussion we're used to on internet message boards ;-)
  64. avatar goatboy
    I wasn't at the gig last night, so I can't really comment on last night's show.

    However, I fucking love Desert Hearts on CD, but I've always found them to be a bit dull and boring live. Charlie generally has a bad attitude (perhaps that's just towards me?), but I personally feel that this comes across in their live show. From previous conversations, they generally aren't very fond of playing Belfast and this shows in their performance.

    Fair enough, it was quite a while ago, but what kind of dickhead decides that they're the big men and instead of playing a gig, they opt to play cards (Snap, I'm presuming) on stage on a table to a backing track? Smug? YES!

    Fighting With Wire are fucking brilliant. They put on such a show and have the right attitude. They respect their fans and this is evident from their live shows.
  65. avatar Daveitferris
    [quote:86909fc23f="tenrabbits"]. How many times can adding "woah-oh" to a song work over the length of a set?
    [/quote:86909fc23f]

    jeeeepers.
    what a really valid point. I mean, you're defintly not going by the complete 'fww' criticism of 2005, when they still did 'woahs'.

    You know, as much as i love this forum to death, i would ADORE to see half these 'critic's rock out in their own bands. I dont care what anyone says, but fastfude search for 'fighting with wire', and you'll not see alot of 'negative' posts.

    course, now, they're the enemy, they actually got up off their arses, did well as fuck, and are reaping success. Lets bring on the 'OMG, THEY'RE LIKE SO MTV2' brigade.

    aye!
  66. avatar Franky Van Der Elst
    Fighting With Wire are horrifically overrated in these parts, just like that Therapy? band. Another 'if they weren't from here, no one would give a flying f**k' band. IMO.
  67. avatar barrypeak
    For as long as I've known him, even when he was a very young fella, Niall Harden's opinions on music (if not fashion) have all ways been pretty much spot on.
  68. avatar 10rapid
    [quote:954013e41f]Fair enough, it was quite a while ago, but what kind of dickhead decides that they're the big men and instead of playing a gig, they opt to play cards (Snap, I'm presuming) on stage on a table to a backing track? Smug? YES![/quote:954013e41f]

    See that sounds pretty cool to me...very rock n' roll. The Velvet Underground would've been proud. Did the Desert Hearts do that?


    [quote:954013e41f]course, now, they're the enemy, they actually got up off their arses, did well as , and are reaping success. Lets bring on the 'OMG, THEY'RE LIKE SO MTV2' brigade.
    [/quote:954013e41f]

    Again, it's largely personal choice. tenrabbits didn't like the band too much...but not because they're signed, just because it's not his thing.

    and finally:


    [quote:954013e41f]they showed little more than apathetic contempt for the audience[/quote:954013e41f]

    This I agree with. in fact i've never seen a band display such contempt and disregard for the music loving people of Belfast since Dirty Stevie decided to reform...
  69. avatar Rocky
    this elevator only goes to the basement and someone made an awful mess down there.
  70. avatar Strong Reaction
    I had band practice that night. It was great. Then I had a cup a soup. Cajun tomato I believe.
  71. avatar PaulATL
    rocky over here we call it a lift. you've CHANGED maaan
  72. avatar bernard
    we don't have 'basements' either pal
  73. avatar George W Best
    Surely when the singer in a band only has contempt for the audience it only makes for even better music?
    Look at GG Allin; he used to shit on the stage and then throw it at the audience and he wrote such classic songs as
    Bite It You Scum, I Wanna Fuck Myself, Hard Candy Cock and Hangin' out With Jim.

    Sure GG Allin wasn't as popular as The Beatles during his life (if you are Ulster Scots and have never heard of The Beatles you can find out more information about them here [url]http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles[/url]) but he did used to play naked with his little willy hanging free.

    I swear to God people on here need to listen to some GG Allin before they talk about other bands.

    [quote:05b2b8e28b]The Night G.G. Allen Came to Town
    We were bored, there was nothing going on.
    Might as well stay at home and drink until we pass out again.
    Then drink some more when the morning comes.
    Memphis was sinking into the Mississippi.
    We were doing our best just to ride it down.
    Till the night G.G. Allin came to town.

    "Honey, I dont believe this,"
    the old man at Ferguson's Cafe kept saying to his wife.
    As he read aloud The Memphis Star and their account of what went down that night
    "It says He took a shit on the stage and started throwing it into the crowd.
    But He was gone before the cops could come and shut him down."
    Gone before the shit came down.

    The Night G.G. Allin Came to Town.
    The Night G.C. Allin Came to Town.
    Antenna Club, Memphis, 1991.
    Punk Rockers Paid $12.00 to be Shit On!
    The Night G.G. Allin Came to Town

    "It says He took the microphone and shoved it up his ass!"
    The old man and his wife were aghast
    The Night G.G. Allin Came to Town.
    The Night G.G. Allin Came to Town.

    [/quote:05b2b8e28b]
  74. avatar PaulATL
    i thought he meant the band. christ, it gets WORSE
  75. avatar all-is-vanity
    "The night laura's daddy died...she ne na na nan na na nan na na n,
    brotha what a night it reeaallly was....brotha what a night...angina's tough!"

    *queue strangling*

    Genius.
  76. avatar kickintheteeth
    on the topic of fighting with wire, just noticed them on mtv2 there. they're number 4 in the myspace chart, pretty good going 8)
  77. avatar Ooopsapocalypse
    :roll:
    As to the thread, not the bands.
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  78. avatar cheesegrater10
    Team Fresh - a bit of something different and good to see a bit of diversity, but a bit too limp bizcuity and not my cup of tea

    Desert Hearts - the first song grabbed me and I thought it was gonna progress from there but it went down hill, they looked a bit uneasy and the front mans arrogance and constant waffling about getting someone up to do a joke didn't make me warm to them, though I imagine on the right night they might be good

    FWW - entertaining, tight, sounded and acted like they cared about what they were doing, good tunes.
  79. avatar rentaghost
    Right.
    Leaving aside the DH drummer's brief and misguided excursion onto the gender-biased dark ages,(and really Joe - if you are going to attempt to dehumanise someone to try to render their opinion invalid, you should perhaps go to the prison service for training - at least they use numeric identification, rising above the sexist tack you have taken - although the fact you have attempted to put me down in this way beautifully demonstrates the kind of apathetic contempt for your audience to which I originally referred), there are a number of reasons why this thread is interesting.

    1. Quite a few of the people posting who [i:0e4cb6b205]were actually at the gig[/i:0e4cb6b205] seem to be agreeing with the opinion that DH were a bit [i:0e4cb6b205]meh[/i:0e4cb6b205] on the night.

    2. The sheer scale of the reaction to the criticism levelled at DH for their (what was, in my opinion) poor performance on Thursday really does prove the point that Smitty was trying to make. Do we really have room for sacred cows in the NI music scene? (I do think its a bit unfortunate that the more general point has been sidetracked by singling out Niall H though.)
  80. avatar bernard
    [quote:19a677b2fd]The sheer scale of the reaction to the criticism levelled at DH for their (what was, in my opinion) poor performance on Thursday really does prove the point that Smitty was trying to make. Do we really have room for sacred cows in the NI music scene? (I do think its a bit unfortunate that the more general point has been sidetracked by singling out Niall H though.)[/quote:19a677b2fd]

    oh come on!
    the strength of reaction was [i:19a677b2fd]purely[/i:19a677b2fd] down to smitty accusing niall of having 'no balls' for not 'admiting' that smitty's opinion was right. that prompts people to weigh in and say: no, actually, i agree with niall.

    this is like starting a fight to prove the other guy likes fighting.

    and now you've persuaded me to defend the 'sacred cows'. i can imagine exactly what DH were like the other night from this thread, and i'm glad nothing's changed. and the split in opinion is entirely consistent - those who like FWW enjoy the same thing that others hate - namely polished, hyperactive histrionics. big wow. rockers and ravers. you've 'proved' nothing.

    and on the subject of sexism, would you agree that a pair of testicles is a prerequirement for telling the truth and/or having integrity?
  81. avatar The Ronster
    Hmm yeah, I don't really get this argument.

    It seems to revolve around people having different outlooks on something incredibly subjective - there isn't a right or wrong opinion to have.

    Incredibly, tediously obvious to point out though. So, erm, sorry for that.
  82. avatar rentaghost
    [quote="bernard]
    and on the subject of sexism, would you agree that a pair of testicles is a prerequirement for telling the truth and/or having integrity?[/quote]

    figurative testicles or literal testicles? :)
  83. avatar George W Best
    or big feckin' hairy ones?
  84. avatar 10rapid
    I don't really see how the desert hearts are "sacred cows" of the local scene. If people didn't like them, they wouldn't attend their gigs, buy their albums or defend them on this forum.
    They are a successful local band that consistently draw good crowds and have released two very good albums, one through rough trade and another through gargleblast (I think). Mainland record labels do not release albums based on whether a band is a sacred cow in a provincial city.

    I don't think anyone here has said they can do no wrong. Also, you have judged them on their performance at one gig...hardly statistically sound.
    The fact that some people enjoyed that performance is testament to the fact that music is subjective.
    and again, there's the rub.

    You enjoyed Team Fresh. SOme people thought they were too much like limp bizkit.
    Smitty enjoyed FWW. Some people thought they were too polished and american sounding.
    See, we all have different opinions.

    But that doesn't give us licence to come onto forums full of bluster and accusing people of being full of shit and lacking integrity.
    Smitty may have found his soulmate in his rants about indie pish and sacred cows but that doesn't make his opinions any more valid than anyone else's and nor does it justify his lack of decorum in expressing them.

    as for:
    [quote:d5d354fd19]The sheer scale of the reaction to the criticism levelled at DH for their (what was, in my opinion) poor performance on Thursday really does prove the point that Smitty was trying to make.[/quote:d5d354fd19]

    The "sheer scale" that you mention amounts to about five peolple saying they didn't enjoy the gig, while another five claim they did. Hardly amounts to a rush of opinion. If us, the inadequate schmindy males of belfast used the same definition of "sheer scale" to descrobe our shrivelled barely functioning members, we'd be chartering planes to LA to collectively audition for "Boogie Nights II: the belfast rock years."
  85. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:9ad94ce8d8="10rapid"]

    I don't think anyone here has said they can do no wrong. Also, you have judged them on their performance at one gig...hardly statistically sound.
    The fact that some people enjoyed that performance is testament to the fact that music is subjective.
    and again, there's the rub.[/quote:9ad94ce8d8]

    Well spotted - and potentially what Joe should have pointed out. Might've actually encouraged me to go see them again to form a more objective opinion...


    [quote:9ad94ce8d8="10rapid"]
    See, we all have different opinions.
    [/quote:9ad94ce8d8]
    precisely the point.

    [quote:9ad94ce8d8="10rapid"]
    But that doesn't give us licence to come onto forums full of bluster and accusing people of being full of <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' /> and lacking integrity.
    [/quote:9ad94ce8d8]
    not something that I think you will find I have done.

    [quote:9ad94ce8d8="10rapid"]
    Smitty may have found his soulmate in his rants about indie pish and sacred cows but that doesn't make his opinions any more valid than anyone else's and nor does it justify his lack of decorum in expressing them.
    [/quote:9ad94ce8d8]

    Don't think you'll find that I express myself in rants, or with a lack of decorum. Smitty can speak for himself on that score, and frequently does.

    [quote:9ad94ce8d8="10rapid"]

    as for:
    [quote:9ad94ce8d8]The sheer scale of the reaction to the criticism levelled at DH for their (what was, in my opinion) poor performance on Thursday really does prove the point that Smitty was trying to make.[/quote:9ad94ce8d8]

    The "sheer scale" that you mention amounts to about five peolple saying they didn't enjoy the gig, while another five claim they did. Hardly amounts to a rush of opinion. If us, the inadequate schmindy males of belfast used the same definition of "sheer scale" to descrobe our shrivelled barely functioning members, we'd be chartering planes to LA to collectively audition for "Boogie Nights II: the belfast rock years."[/quote:9ad94ce8d8]

    Its more about the reaction from those who weren't at the gig than those who were....
  86. avatar nodancing
    through gargleblast / No Dancing I'll have you know ;-)
  87. avatar 10rapid
    Yes sorry, i was replying to yourself and your husband in one post.
    I don't believe you're one and the same person.

    I'm not joe frickin dougan for flip's sake.
  88. avatar rigsyATL
    speaking of sacred cows, there's defo a few on this board - i.e bands with a very strong presence who no one is allowed to slag off....

    same difference!

    altho i don't think desert hearts/tracer amc/robyn shiels etc are sacred cows at all. they all make music that a certain type of person will either love or hate. plain and simple.

    hurling abuse at someone for having an opinion is a different matter altogether.
  89. avatar rentaghost
    :-D

    EDIT: This was a reaction to 10rapids last post - Rigsy's just went and got in the way there!
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  90. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:0d450a9a4d="rigsyATL"]speaking of sacred cows, there's defo a few on this board - i.e bands with a very strong presence who no one is allowed to slag off....

    hurling abuse at someone for having an opinion is a different matter altogether.[/quote:0d450a9a4d]

    SO - those bands noone is 'allowed' to slag off - regardless of who you think falls into that category - my question is, do you think that its healthy for bands to be above criticism?
  91. avatar 10rapid
    I don't know that there are bands that no-one's allowed to slag off. is there one band on here that remains unslagged?
    FWW?
    Desert Hearts?
    Tracer?
    Dirty stevie?
    Shiels?
    TPO?

    they'll all get slagged but some will retaliate and some won't.
    I think people who are actually in bands on the lower strata of "the scene" may be less keen on getting involved for fear that it'll affect their chances of getting gigs or whatever.
    I know when I was in a band I bit my tongue on several occasions before posting, lest my views would prejudice possible opportunities for the band. But then nobody ever offered us gigs anyhow because they're all backslapping wankboys.
  92. avatar rigsyATL
    of course it's not.

    none of the bands i mentioned are above criticism. they get criticized all the time. they're getting criticized on this thread.

    hence they're not sacred cows whatsoever, just bands that play music/behave in a way that is only desirable to a certain type of music fan.
  93. avatar rentaghost
    Just for the record - noone mentioned RG Shiels until Rigsy - I've just checked back trhough the thread to make sure.

    Also - although Smitty's opinion of Tracer is relatively well documented, I would just point out that I really quite like them.
  94. avatar rigsyATL
    desert hearts, robyn and tracer are the three bands smitty mentioned to me, tho i'm now remembering that was in a private message.
  95. avatar die the flu
    This thread is stupid.
  96. avatar Cake
    FWW are constantly getting slagged off on here. They make music that quite a few people want to listen to (according to current album sales and positioning on the MTV chart), but that makes them "Safe" and "dull" and "Formulaic"

    If you enjoy music that has a deeper and much more worthwhile message, that mere mortals don't understand or you feel that a band treating their audience with contempt is cool, fair enough.

    It's probably a Belfarce jealousy thing :P
  97. avatar 10rapid
    [quote:d29e7d417b]desert hearts, robyn and tracer[/quote:d29e7d417b]

    MAybe it's partly to do with the fact that these people don't post on here...therefore they don't get discussed much.

    I think DH and Shiels are great. "A Lifetime of Midnights" was an astonishing album and the first DH album is one of my favorite albums of all time (local or otherwise).
    Tracer, i don't like...because I'm not into that type of music.
  98. avatar myspace.com/eleventhnote
    so...eh yea FWW were superb in Edinburgh last night...compared to the two support bands that were called 'we suck' and 'we suck even more than the first band' .... first time I saw them and i enjoyed it alot.

    funny to see scottish ppl singing along though
  99. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Youse can slag me off if youse want, I don't mind. In fact, I enjoyed being oppressed, it'll make my biographical film all the more emotional in my struggle against adversity.
  100. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    This thread, is really really great guys. :lol:

    First of all, I really liked the bit where rentaghost missed the point, wrote a review (which failed to mention anything about music) then de-humanised Joe (by calling him a sexist) because he had indirectly called her "Smitty's wife" (which she is).

    The best bit though was when Joe retaliated by directly called her "Smitty's wife" - which she later claimed was an a attempt to de-humanise her in order to "render her opinion invalid", but was clearly just an attempt to rattle her cage.

    Meanwhile, concerned that she may be missing something (her review did negate to mention music remember?) other concerned citizens got involved. Unfortunately by this point rentaghost had dug a hole so big that civilized discussion was no longer an option. Rentaghost then turned on lap_dog_shuffle for claiming that all women should be caged.

    Rentaghost continues to fight the world from her hole - or something like that :lol:
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  101. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    LOL
  102. avatar thecunnyfunt
    While I prefer talking [b:d6d4a3c24f]through[/b:d6d4a3c24f] mine
  103. avatar Rory McConnell
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb6PHCVOU7s[/url]

    [img:d3ab6e8e49]http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/bobhope/images/vc74.jpg[/img:d3ab6e8e49]
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  104. avatar 10rapid
    [quote:8bd21f1142]but when you are addressing me on here, I think you'll find I have a name.

    [/quote:8bd21f1142]

    Does Smitty know it?

    [quote:8bd21f1142]The missus is currently offline, at Common Grounds running yet another of the too many gigs that Belfast has.

    [/quote:8bd21f1142]
  105. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    It reminds me of christmas, when everyone gets together and rows. I love it. Granda would claim every year sure it'll be his last christmas feed and we'd laugh and say "Willie, you senile fool, you've been saying that for ten years!" and he'd laugh, forget what he was laughing about, and begin to weep uncontrollably.
  106. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:6a0c4cfd94]clearly just an attempt to rattle her cage.
    [/quote:6a0c4cfd94]

    Glad to hear you are enjoying yourself so much, lap dog.
    Loving the ventriloquism act there, btw. Is it comfortable sitting there with Joe's hand up your bum?

    EDIT: Out of posts.
    And quite frankly I don't really care about this anymore, so won't be contributing further. There's no point in even trying to keep this to a consideration of generic principles any longer, which is what I [i:6a0c4cfd94]was[/i:6a0c4cfd94] trying to do.
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  107. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Ah the old hand up the bum, now THAT reminds me of christmas.
  108. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:0c66b70dcb="rentaghost"]Is it comfortable sitting there with Joe's hand up your bum?[/quote:0c66b70dcb]Not as uncomfortable as the comedic structuring of your retort.
  109. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    I lack discipline. Someone say to me "If you havn't anything constructive to say don't say anything at all." That's what the teachers used to say. I never thought I'd miss it.
  110. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    [quote:5eecbee9a5="rentaghost"]Loving the ventriloquism act there, btw. Is it comfortable sitting there with Joe's hand up your bum?[/quote:5eecbee9a5]

    Touchy?
  111. avatar fopp
    I bet when you people all meet up together at gigs and stuff, you get along famously, inspite of or because of all the bickering that goes on in here.
  112. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    I usually get on pretty well with Smitty after he calls me a c*nt a few times. Wild man on message boards, good fella elsewhere.

    His wife on the other hand, i dont believe i've had the pleasure.
  113. avatar Joeplaysthedrums
    Also, i have plenty of posts left. Da da da da da da.
  114. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    The question is though, [i:b901117881]do[/i:b901117881] you play the drums?
  115. avatar Ooopsapocalypse
    "Ah the old hand up the bum,"

    Ahhhh....
    Killer Clowns From Outer Space!
    Such a great film...
  116. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:4781846991="rentaghost"]EDIT: Out of posts...There's no point in even trying to keep this to a consideration of generic principles any longer[/quote:4781846991]
    Aw, just as we were getting to the generic principles :(
    [img:4781846991]http://www.joesportsfan.com/mediaspace/common/people/belding.jpg[/img:4781846991]
  117. avatar fopp
    Presumably Joe is also ambidextrous, how else would he be able to simultaneously puppeteer and type?
  118. avatar George W Best
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  119. avatar T Entertainment
    This thread isn't unlike the bit in 'Hated' at the college gig when GG crams a peeled banana up his arse with his troll-like claws, then throws lumps of it at the fleeing students.
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  120. avatar rinky
    Cripes, this thread has turned normally sound people into ranting lunatics (on both sides). It's only Desert Hearts ffs.

    [quote:b10ccf71e7]I usually get on pretty well with Smitty after he calls me a c*nt a few times. Wild man on message boards, good fella elsewhere.
    [/quote:b10ccf71e7]

    Smitty is sound off message boards when he finally accepts you're not the vegan he decided you were and stops screaming "Tofu!!!" across the dancefloor.
  121. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    I was trying to derail it to stop all the shouting. Cyber shouting if you will
  122. avatar George W Best
    [quote:cdf720bbfc="T Entertainment"]This thread isn't unlike the bit in 'Hated' at the college gig when GG crams a peeled banana up his arse with his troll-like claws, then throws lumps of it at the fleeing students.[/quote:cdf720bbfc]

    Or the footage from his birthday 'party' :smt078
  123. avatar T Entertainment
    I like the free-form song impro in his hotel room. Passionate, and compassionate.
  124. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:c172b90f75="Mickeycolensoparade"]I was trying to derail it to stop all the shouting. Cyber shouting if you will[/quote:c172b90f75]Isn't that what everyone's been doing from page 6?
  125. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    I was but a boy on page six, I am now a man.
  126. avatar Chi-Lite
    The only solution to this is for us all to admit that Desert Hearts, Team fresh and Fighting With Wire are all ballix.

    Because they are.

    Plus, I'm after your ma.

    they are though.
  127. avatar nodancing
    I think this is as good a time as any to point you all to this [url]http://nodancing.co.uk/nodancingshop.asp[/url]

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  128. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    I'm rapidly running out of posts, and not one has been constructive.
  129. avatar Chi-Lite
    They are though

    lot of ballix.
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  132. avatar 10rapid
    [quote:2a78c8dc4e]I think this is as good a time as any to point you all to this http://nodancing.co.uk/nodancingshop.asp

    lovely stuff

    [/quote:2a78c8dc4e]

    lovely soft desert hearts t-shirts.
    to wear or wipe your ass with, depending on your point if view.


    So anyhow, do you think the desert hearts [i:2a78c8dc4e]evolved[/i:2a78c8dc4e] or were they created by God?
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  146. avatar clss_act_00
    You've all gone off topic, back to the in scene fighting!
  147. avatar 10rapid
    is that morrissey in a tanning salon?
  148. avatar fastfude
    2nd best thread derailment. evar.
  149. avatar whipchorus
    [img:610293c491]http://www.vh1.com/news/rants_and_raves/macnie/img/vedder_news.jpg[/img:610293c491]
  150. avatar xfirefishx
    Hey those photos completely disrupted the flow of my amusement. Bring back the hilarious arguments!!!
  151. avatar Fresh_Fodder
    What Belfast seriously needs are bands that'll take a good look at themselves, stop their self-obsessed whingeing, and do for their city what FWW have done for Derry and Team Fresh have done for Portrush and their culchie brethren... Make your people proud of where they're from...

    While the Belfast scene spirals down like this in it's own arguments, the out-lying towns and bands are laughing, having the time of their lives, and building something for their future...

    Most of you are squabbling down the bottom of a well, these bands have thrown a 10p piece in and made a wish that someday you'll all climb out and see the light.

    and yeah, I am one sided, there was fuck all happening in Portrush (besides Lush) until TF and ASIWYFA kick the slurry tank over and raised a stink... looks like the slurry spill has reached the banks of the Farset

    Where's Jake Burns when you need him?
  152. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    C'mon Omagh!!!!!
  153. avatar Chi-Lite
    What a lot of oul ballix.

    What exactly have bands ever done for anywhere?
  154. avatar tinpot anto
    yer man's silage analogy is bonkers.

    is it not allowed to not enjoy a band?

    I always thought Desert Hearts were mostly contrived indie-boy cack, so I don't go and see them or buy their records. FWW are good, but play a type of music I have no interest in, and which bores me rigid, so I don't go and see them or buy their records.

    is it like I have to like them now they're signed?

    wtf?

    Can people dry-their-eyes?
  155. avatar Chi-Lite
    Yes, but look at what they've done for Derry!!!

    Oh wait, f[b:6eb279b04c][/b:6eb279b04c]uck all.
  156. avatar T Entertainment
    But when they're millionaires they can buy a tactical nuclear weapon on the black market and really improve the place, so patience please... :P
  157. avatar nonlogic liam
    My word. This "thread". MAKES. MY. HEAD. HURT.
  158. avatar T Entertainment
    I hope your life ends in the same way as Ruth's in Threads.
    In Derry.
  159. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:50f875ea70="Fresh_Fodder"]

    While the Belfast scene spirals down like this in it's own arguments, the out-lying towns and bands are laughing, having the time of their lives, and building something for their future...

    [/quote:50f875ea70]

    In the words of Vic Reeves, "That was a good joke!"


    So.....the notoriously partisan Derry 'scene' are fiercely proud of Fighting With Wire? Fair play to them. I still think they're guff.

    And bands in Belfast are going down the toilet, are they? What a surprise.

    Just to go for the jugular, I'm going to put forth the argument that Northern Ireland (all of it) is a musical wasteland at the moment. The motivations of bands have been clouded by a misguided notion that they can

    - 'succeed' in outdated, pre-death of the music industry terms - Ed Zealous, Bow Street Runners, etc: good luck on getting your 'record deal', making the cover of the NME, and being the Northern Irish answer to Snow Patrol.

    - have become too obtuse to care about anything to the point where they become insular, blinkered and smug in their own position in the local 'scene' - Tracer AMC, Desert Hearts, etc: good luck on playing the same venues in ten years time to the same crowds, with the same sense of superiority.

    - are too past their sell-by date, coasting on the past whilst trying to ignore the principles of 'diminishing returns' - The Evangelists, Dirty Stevie, etc. Good luck on a future of remembering when it used to be fun and you were still relevant.

    - etc.


    Of course, I'm generalising here, but the point still stands: we've too many bands, all with bad attitudes. What are we expecting to happen?

    I say good luck to bands like ASIWYFA, who are out there making their own 'scene', putting in hard work, but not throwing out any condescending attitudes, a la FWW. A band you can like without feeling patronised? A rarity, surely.


    Sorry if I have hurt the feelings of any of the bands I just mentioned.
  160. avatar returnofthedogs
    Anyone for Radar tonight?
  161. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    Ha! Indeed, Radar, stirs the emoticons of even the most lurky poster...

    I disagree Stevo's sentiments. Though I do agree with his bullet point presentation, it was awesome. Bonus points for the word 'obtuse', I like saying it out loud. [b:fff3740f62]Obtuse.[/b:fff3740f62]

    Sure it's wile good craic being in a band. You get to look at pretty girls that smell nice (and though you don't want to admit it, the boys are sometimes pretty and smell nice to). And it's wile good craic writing some songs and then playing them through a thon big speakers. It's wile good craic imagining your playing croke park/wembly (depending on preference) in your bedroom. Free beer as well, sure ye couldn't beat that.

    And if we all thought and liked the same thing it'd be boring.
  162. avatar Captain Kennedy
    Where do you get the free beer you swine?
  163. avatar Daveitferris
    [quote:0aa8e0f9e5="Chi-Lite"]Yes, but look at what they've done for Derry!!!

    Oh wait, f[b:0aa8e0f9e5][/b:0aa8e0f9e5]uck all.[/quote:0aa8e0f9e5]

    balls to you, mucker.
    You dont speak like you're from derry (get your trigger finger ready with 'cuz i can, spell write?') So therefore, to me, personally, you've no valid argument here.

    When kids will read 'fighting with wire, a 3 piece from derry, northern ireland'. Of course it'll do something for derry. it's not going to make us millionaires over night, but when people see a bunch of great bands coming out of derry and doing well, they are going to investigate further.

    So balls to your witty sarcasm, go change the scene yourself, and spend some time outside for a bit.

    x
  164. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:0b2af05d64]Tracer AMC, Desert Hearts, etc: good luck on playing the same venues in ten years time to the same crowds, with the same sense of superiority.[/quote:0b2af05d64]
    Erg, I agree with most of yr post there - 'cept that - your examples there are two bands which are really quite well known in their genres outside Ireland, tour often and don't actually play that many shows here...

    When Tracer's last record was released in Japan there were big display stands full of their records in Tower Records and HMV stores. Their last tour there they played to packed venues across the country? Belfast isn't a big enough City to attract crowds to genre specific gigs and that's why genuine alt indie groups are slotted lineups (by well meaning promoters) with some radio-friendly generic good-times bulls[b:0b2af05d64][/b:0b2af05d64]hit on either side, playing to crowds of people who really would rather they weren't there because all the minor chords are killing the buzz?

    In ten years time they will still be playing the same shi[b:0b2af05d64][/b:0b2af05d64]tty venues to mostly unappreciative nu-emo kids - but in ten years time half the punter's that are watching them now's favorite genre is "anything that's easy to clap along to." The last gig they went to was Christy Moore at the Maze arena in 2016 and otherwise generally turned in to their da.
  165. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:1b39e7a314="Lap Dog Shuffle"]


    playing to crowds of people like yrself who really would rather they weren't there because all the minor chords are killing the buzz.

    [/quote:1b39e7a314]

    I remember going to see Desert Hearts a good few years ago, playing a not entirely different set to what they do now, and loving it.

    I saw them not too long ago, in a similar venue, playing a similar set, to more or less the same crowd. and I still loved it.

    Tracer might well be big in Japan (and I know they are), but they still preach to the converted over here. And I'm one of them. They actually played with a band I used to be in over in Scotland (Hookers Green No1, for those that are curious) and did roughly the same kind of thing they are still doing. And I can guarantee that if they played Aberdeen again, it'd be the same crowd that go to see them.

    Point I was getting at was that whilst they might be off doing stuff in other places, they treat Northern ireland in exactly the same way they did five years ago.

    And they're the ones I like.

    I freely admit that I don't get FWW - fair play to them, but I think they're baws - but I completely refute the notion that just because they're from Derry somehow makes them brill.

    Etc, etc.
  166. avatar tinpot anto
    fundamentally there's a big difference between liking a band, and wishing them success.

    I wish success to many bands, even though their music will never grace my CD player. I'll recommend them to people I think will dig the music and people I meet who are in a good position to help them. when they do have successes it's great because I know the hard work they have put in to get there.

    The Answer, FWW, Openheimer, Duke Special are all examples of this and there are many more, with less success and music I like better. And all make and play good or great music and are a good advert for NI music overall.

    Other bands I think are well marketed chancers who demean the very idea of music, and as advertisements for "NI" music make me want to pretend I don't come from the same place as them.
  167. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:0ea0f85fac="tinpot anto"]fundamentally there's a big difference between liking a band, and wishing them success.

    I wish success to many bands, even though their music will never grace my CD player. I'll recommend them to people I think will dig the music and people I meet who are in a good position to help them. when they do have successes it's great because I know the hard work they have put in to get there.

    The Answer, FWW, Openheimer, Duke Special are all examples of this and there are many more, with less success and music I like better. And all make and play good or great music and are a good advert for NI music overall.

    Other bands I think are well marketed chancers who demean the very idea of music, and as advertisements for "NI" music make me want to pretend I don't come from the same place as them.[/quote:0ea0f85fac]

    What he said.
  168. avatar fastfude
    ditto
  169. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    It's just music, like.
  170. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:1affea1ca7="Mickeycolensoparade"]It's just music, like.[/quote:1affea1ca7]

    That's a terrible attitude, young man.

    This is life or death stuff, surely!
  171. avatar garrexial
    Edit due to self-loathing involvement fiasco.
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  172. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:1b123dedcf="Steven Dedalus"][quote:1b123dedcf="Lap Dog Shuffle"]playing to crowds of people like yrself who really would rather they weren't there because all the minor chords are killing the buzz.[/quote:1b123dedcf]
    I remember going to see Desert Hearts a good few years ago, playing a not entirely different set to what they do now, and loving it.[/quote:1b123dedcf] Aye, I got bit carried away while writing that and forgot that you're post was a bit more hypothetical than opinion, I quickly edited it after a re-read :-D
  173. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    [quote:f34cd94b96]all the minor chords are killing the buzz.
    [/quote:f34cd94b96]

    :lol:
  174. avatar Fresh_Fodder
    TROJAN!!!!

    NOW GIVE ME SOME OF THAT CAUSEWAY ROCK!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is60R9ZvIFA
  175. avatar nonlogic liam
    bw
  176. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:2bb1282a61="Steven Dedalus"][quote:2bb1282a61="Fresh_Fodder"]

    While the Belfast scene spirals down like this in it's own arguments, the out-lying towns and bands are laughing, having the time of their lives, and building something for their future...

    [/quote:2bb1282a61]

    In the words of Vic Reeves, "That was a good joke!"


    So.....the notoriously partisan Derry 'scene' are fiercely proud of Fighting With Wire? Fair play to them. I still think they're guff.

    And bands in Belfast are going down the toilet, are they? What a surprise.

    Just to go for the jugular, I'm going to put forth the argument that Northern Ireland (all of it) is a musical wasteland at the moment. The motivations of bands have been clouded by a misguided notion that they can

    - 'succeed' in outdated, pre-death of the music industry terms - Ed Zealous, Bow Street Runners, etc: good luck on getting your 'record deal', making the cover of the NME, and being the Northern Irish answer to Snow Patrol.

    - have become too obtuse to care about anything to the point where they become insular, blinkered and smug in their own position in the local 'scene' - Tracer AMC, Desert Hearts, etc: good luck on playing the same venues in ten years time to the same crowds, with the same sense of superiority.

    - are too past their sell-by date, coasting on the past whilst trying to ignore the principles of 'diminishing returns' - The Evangelists, Dirty Stevie, etc. Good luck on a future of remembering when it used to be fun and you were still relevant.

    - etc.


    Of course, I'm generalising here, but the point still stands: we've too many bands, all with bad attitudes. What are we expecting to happen?

    I say good luck to bands like ASIWYFA, who are out there making their own 'scene', putting in hard work, but not throwing out any condescending attitudes, a la FWW. A band you can like without feeling patronised? A rarity, surely.


    Sorry if I have hurt the feelings of any of the bands I just mentioned.[/quote:2bb1282a61]

    Can I just ask a question? When were the Evangelists ever "relevant"?

    p.s. you want to kiss Desert Hearts' bums...
  177. avatar The enfant terrible
    Yeah erm I don't really know why the fook this whole thing started over someone saying they didn't really like a band at a gig.

    this is how divorces happen. It all starts with an arguement about putting too much salt in the boiled veg and before you know it the poor kids are all standing out in the backyard whle the whole neighbourhood listens to their parents screaming their heads off at each other about how it all went so wrong. then a neighbour slaps one of the poor wee mites in the face for giving the nosy so and so the fingers. It's not fair on the kids, their just young and shouldn't have their heads cluttered with crap like this, they should be out playing pokemon with their mates. Stop being selfish and work it out, you got into this for a reason and now there's too much at stake to let it all go to the wall, think about when you're old, who'll look after you when you get ill or who'll snuggle up to you when the gas bill gets too high to afford on your stinking ship builder's pension?
  178. avatar comprachio
    I think that when considering Belfast v outlaying towns of NI you have to say Belfast BASED... a lot of them are from further away than Derry. Its like the snow patrol question of whether they're NIrish or Scottish I guess.

    I think i had a point to make but I guess its gone now... ho hum

    Steven Dedalus, I don't think you've hurt feelings of the bands but I really do think you're wrong. We've neither got too many bands nor too many bands with bad attitudes. I've personally never seen bands in NI (in the past ten years) work as hard and sound so good...
  179. avatar cruz
    Can I just say that Desert Hearts were awesome supporting Dinosaur Jnr. Wasn't at the Speakeasy gig, anyone can have a bad night. Last night they proved they can hit the spot. With ease.
  180. avatar nonlogic liam
    Steven Dedalus sounds like a "man" (probably fat and spotty, who noone liked) who wanted to join a band so all the girls would think he was cool but at the audition later that week all the rock guys burst out laughing when he attempted to play guitar (he only knew how to play G major). Steven thus ran from the audition room in tears, grasping his broken westfield strat he vowed to destroy any musical formations that were within his power to disintegrate. He is currently at large, and on the sex offenders list...
  181. avatar tinpot anto
    ...so if you have a problem, and no-one else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire..... :lol:
  182. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    [quote:fc7593e8f3="comprachio"]I think that when considering Belfast v outlaying towns of NI you have to say Belfast BASED... a lot of them are from further away than Derry. Its like the snow patrol question of whether they're NIrish or Scottish I guess.

    I think i had a point to make but I guess its gone now... ho hum

    Steven Dedalus, I don't think you've hurt feelings of the bands but I really do think you're wrong. We've neither got too many bands nor too many bands with bad attitudes. I've personally never seen bands in NI (in the past ten years) work as hard and sound so good...[/quote:fc7593e8f3]


    I agree, alright we've only been floating about belfast a year or more, but we've never really encountered any bad attitudes or people with delusions of grandeur. In my experience it has been the bands who have been the most successful that have been the friendliest towards us. Youse are all lovely, I love ye all.
  183. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:4dee106c8a="nonlogic liam"]Steven Dedalus sounds like a "man" (probably fat and spotty, who noone liked) who wanted to join a band so all the girls would think he was cool but at the audition later that week all the rock guys burst out laughing when he attempted to play guitar (he only knew how to play G major). Steven thus ran from the audition room in tears, grasping his broken westfield strat he vowed to destroy any musical formations that were within his power to disintegrate. He is currently at large, and on the sex offenders list...[/quote:4dee106c8a]

    Well, I can say a few things for the record:

    - He is a 'man'.

    - He does/did have a guitar.

    - He has wept.


    However, there are a number of inaccuracies presented here:

    - He does not know how to play G major.

    - He has never auditioned for a band.

    - He has never been spotty (but he does suffer from dry skin).

    - He played a telecaster and a 12 string electric of indeterminate origin, rather than a Westfield Strat.

    - He has never, to the best of his knowledge, been placed on the sex offenders register.


    And in response to an earlier point:

    - Yes, he does want to kiss the Desert Hearts' bums:

    http://www.culturenorthernireland.org/article.aspx?art_id=234

    And to Comparachio:

    You're right, I was being a tad over the top. There's loads of good bands here, but I still think there's too many of poor quality. It's not quite so bad at the moment, but there was a point where it seemed that every night I was stuck watching boring bands playing boring music to bored people.

    But the form's been quite good recently, so I take it back.

    I do think there's a few delusions of grandeur, however, and at the risk of incurring the wrath of a nonlogicliam figure again, I'll not name names this time.
  184. avatar Niall Harden
    in seeing Desert Hearts three times in the last couple of weeks,
    i've been reminded that they are one of the best bands i've ever seen [i:8e980ae02e]anywhere[/i:8e980ae02e].

    if they weren't such reprehensible bastards, they'd be "huge", whatever that means.
    hopefully joeplaysthedrums' skillz get them somewhere.

    they fucking ruled last night.
  185. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:0f7f2946e1="Niall Harden"]

    they fucking ruled last night.[/quote:0f7f2946e1]

    It's funny, because I was thinking, "ahh, they're not as good as they were on Saturday", but by the end, they'd blown me away again.

    I really genuinely wonder what Dinosaur Jr made of them, if indeed they did make anything of them.

    And on a related note, I was standing otuside before the doors opened, and one of the roadies/sound guys came out, and jumped into the lorry to rummage about for cables and leads and stuff, and said to one of his colleagues, "Fucking guitarists!"

    The other guy went, "Yeah, J Mascis can really be difficult when he wants to."

    And the roadie/techie went, "No, this is for the Desert Hearts."

    Which made me smile.