1. avatar thefatson
    I had no internet for a few days there and out of boredom put bass hardware on a guitar to see if it would work.

    It sort of worked apart from a bit of frett buzz, itonation issues and me putting the bridge on wonky.

    I`m wondering if there`s any way of figuring out exactly where to put the bridge or anything else I should consider when I next get round to messing with it.

    It looks much better as a bass and I`ve wanted a wee shortscale for a while.
  2. avatar trepanner
    I have no useful help to offer but that sounds rather cool.. any chance of a pic?
  3. avatar Le Mutt
    if you measure from the fretboard side of the nut to the top of the 12th fret. the bridge should then be placed so that there is the same distance between the 12th fret and where the strings go over the saddles, roughly as you should have some adjustment of you saddles to correctly intonate your guitass
  4. avatar thefatson
    Cheers I`ll measure it up next time.

    Main reason I did this was because the guitar was being wasted as it`s bridge couldn`t be intoned so If I was going to replace that anyway I`d really rather have a wee bass.

    [img:b199658b20]http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u162/thefatson/gbass.jpg[/img:b199658b20]
  5. avatar Recycled Alien
    Me, I'll be using an octave pedal...
  6. avatar trepanner
    I want one that has 4 guitar strings, e thru d, and the e & low b from a five string bass.
  7. avatar unplugged
    Im impressed. You had balls and when the bridge is adjusted you prob done a great job!

    Well done man.
  8. avatar chris1984_99_99
    Agreed, nice job there! Kinda reminds me of the Fender VI bass.

    [img:7545211975]http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/ae0fe06d7a09b17ae55a8c2df1605d4c.jpg[/img:7545211975]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_VI
  9. avatar Lap Dog Shuffle
    [quote:34d6513a0c]I`m wondering if there`s any way of figuring out exactly where to put the bridge or anything else I should consider when I next get round to messing with it.[/quote:34d6513a0c] Bass Pickups? bass neck?

    I doubt you'll ever be able to intonate it to E tuning (The bass VI above has a hard time doing that and its 30" scale) your wee guitar is probably closer to 20" - I'd suggest buying some baritone or heavy gauge guitar stings and tuning to B or C instead (even then it will struggle).
  10. avatar thefatson
    Cheers

    The e is the main problem at the minute, It won`t hold it`s tuning at all.

    I`m going to change the pick ups eventually, the beauty of that wee thing is all the electrics are built onto the scratch plate and it`s completly hollow underneath so loads of room for new pick ups, distortion, maybe a speaker...

    Does anyone know of a bass bridge that isn`t very wide?
    When I move this bridge the e and g will be very close to the edges of the neck.

    I realise this will never be perfectly intoned but I have had a load of bad luck over the years with crappy basses and sort of enjoy the string bending/learning to play a particular guitar.
  11. avatar chrisjedijane
    Nice job there! I doubt you'll ever be able to properly intonate it though, due to the scale length and all.

    I want a bass VI so much...
  12. avatar Recycled Alien
    As I understand it, the need for intonation adjustment on a guitar is because real world strings are not mathematically perfect, in that they have a physical thickness and stiffness at the two ends.

    This is why the lengths aren't exactly what you'd calculate, and why different thickness of strings need saddles moved to different positions.

    What I'm struggling to understand is why a particularly thick string on a very short scale neck should be any harder to correct. But that's what everyone is saying here.

    I can see that the amount of adjustment will be a higher proportion of the scale length, but so what?
  13. avatar tinpot anto
    Why do this?

    Why?
  14. avatar thefatson
    Originally I did it because the bridge needed replaced anyway and I was bored and curious.

    Now I am very happy I did it, I'm quite small and this is the perfect wee bass for me to practice on and play for fun around the house, it feels nice to play bass on a guitar neck.

    I'm also using it to experiment with things I'd like to do to other guitars too like paint it and fit a speaker etc.
  15. avatar chrisjedijane
    [quote:6afbc9bf65="Recycled Alien"]As I understand it, the need for intonation adjustment on a guitar is because real world strings are not mathematically perfect, in that they have a physical thickness and stiffness at the two ends.

    This is why the lengths aren't exactly what you'd calculate, and why different thickness of strings need saddles moved to different positions.

    What I'm struggling to understand is why a particularly thick string on a very short scale neck should be any harder to correct. But that's what everyone is saying here.

    I can see that the amount of adjustment will be a higher proportion of the scale length, but so what?[/quote:6afbc9bf65]

    But surely the intonation will be all over the place as few, if any, of the frets will be in the right places?
  16. avatar Recycled Alien
    [quote:64b58a58e1="chrisjedijane"]But surely the intonation will be all over the place as few, if any, of the frets will be in the right places?[/quote:64b58a58e1]No, I think the position of frets relates only to the overall scale length.

    What you do when you screw back the saddle is to increase the fretted length over the theoretical length, to allow for the fact that the real string can't vibrate 100% right up to the edge of either the fret or the saddle. Thicker strings need more adjustment.

    You [u:64b58a58e1]are[/u:64b58a58e1] making the same correction for each fret by doing this, but I think that would be OK.

    I think.
  17. avatar Le Mutt
    [quote:805b7ef57f="Recycled Alien"]No, I think the position of frets relates only to the overall scale length.[/quote:805b7ef57f]

    yea it is down to the length of the neck where the frets go. each frets placement is in the same place for each neck with regards it scale and will be intune pretty much for any tuning you go for.
    with the mini bass you should maybe consider using slighty thinner strings like these [url]https://store.ernieball.com/product/part_number=P02839/574.0.5908.23613.16795.5281.0[/url]
  18. avatar Shameless Hussies
    But is it as nice as my home hacked electric sitar?

    [img:8ed7dd81d4]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2327/2414656924_f295a09ae7.jpg[/img:8ed7dd81d4]
  19. avatar thefatson
    That is much nicer, is that a teisco bluesmaster or something? I love teisco guitars.

    How did you do the sitar thing? I played a mandola at the weekend and I`m thinking of maybe making a bass version but I`d love a sitar.

    I`ll update the bass progress when I`m done moving house and get a chance to fiddle with it again.
  20. avatar Shameless Hussies
    I have no idea what it is other than a bargin, £10 at a bootsale! I took the bridge off my actual sitar to modify it. it works much better than my previous mod (I removed the frets, sounded dreadful)
  21. avatar Strong Reaction
    Maybe drill some holes in the body, make a wooden bridge and bass nut and tune it to ADGB? I used to try and mutate my guitars, great fun.
  22. avatar jonny is an ambulance
    ano this forum was a good while ago lol but for the inotation to be correct it has to be the same distance from the nut to the 12th fret from the 12th fret to the bridge.

    i made this mistake when i put a 24 fret cort neck on my 1980's satellite les paul..

    didnt figure this out till afterwards, so i took it all apart moved the bridge up not even 2cm filled the old holes in and ta da.... inotation correct lol still haveta get round to painting it again

    anyways hope this helps anyone