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NME declares Thrash height of post modern cool
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T Entertainment
Sun 22nd Jul 2007, 12:43 pmI mean, really:
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chrisjedijane
Sun 22nd Jul 2007, 1:36 pmGAMA BOMB!
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David McLaughlin
Sun 22nd Jul 2007, 1:41 pmThat's basically a diluted version of a feature Metal Hammer ran a couple of months ago too.
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Sun 22nd Jul 2007, 1:42 pm
You're right of course. This journalistic abortion is, ultimately, good for local music and we should all present ourselves accordingly.
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Tele
Sun 22nd Jul 2007, 5:48 pmAngry in a positive way?
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whosbainejakey
Sun 22nd Jul 2007, 6:10 pm"Dublin's Gama Bomb..."
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3cigarettes
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 4:33 amHey guys Thrash is back because NME says so.
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Orzo
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 8:26 amWhat's everyone's favourite thrash album?
I think I'll have to go for Sepultura's 'Arise'.
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barrypeak
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 8:37 ammy favourite earache album is fudge tunnel's hate songs...
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 8:40 am
South of Heaven...but I have a real soft spot for Testament's A New Order.
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I'mDead
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 8:43 amSepultura - Beneath The Remains.
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Slayer - Reign In Blood or South of Heaven
Anthrax - Among The LivingIts actually funny to see Metallica mentioned, as its been easily twenty years since they released anything remotely resembling Thrash.
Kill me!
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remedy malahide
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 8:57 amKiss - Any album they made
Pet Shop Boys - Any of their albums
U2 - Any of their albums
Def Leppard - Any albumThese bands are my favourite Trash bands. Each as usless as the next.
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rentaghost
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 8:59 amsomeone wrote:
Quite possibly. However, there is also the possibility that when loads of people call a band sh*te, they might just be, well, sh*te.
When was the last time a hard rock or metal album was shortlisted for the Mercurys? Are we really to believe that those genres haven't produced anything more worthy than any of the acts in that top ten in the past year? Because that's unmitigated b*lls.T-ent, a prophet in his own country there, marvellous.
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my-angel-rocks
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:18 amIf I only dislike thrash because it was cool to dislike it, does that mean I have to like it again if I dislike the NME cos its cool to dislike it?
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:31 am
Yes. And no.
It's hard to know where to begin with that revolting article.
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thecunnyfunt
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:07 amtheyre probably touring some nouveau-thrash bands next year, so they have to start telling the flock to like so they can make more neo-dollar. i cannot wait for the first trendy nme type thrash band
new young fat metal head club?
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:10 am
The sheer level of ignorance about the actual nature of thrash metal, the vacuity and the gushing, Barley-esque, patronising tone makes me want to boke.
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nonlogic liam
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:15 amThat article is badly written and quite frankly full of shit. On the plus side though I really hope there is a resurgence of Trash as some of that early stuff was fantastic. I have never trusted the NME after they told me the Long Pigs were the best band since the Smiths and I went and bought their record and it sucked and the guy in Buncrana music centre refused to give me a refund because I played it once. Fuc you NME.
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The Fires of Hell
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:39 amDisgusting.
That smug, gormless scene setting makes me want to gnaw my own foot off at the craven liberties they take. I am truly sorry for twats that feel able to write copy like that. F88k them and their desperate, aching need to own.
You cant. It's ours.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:53 am
anyone see the mtv2 specials over the weekend on emo?
i hope all this exposure makes thrash as popular.
there's gonna be alot of very tight black jeans and big white basketball boots in top man before too long.
caught in a mosh! wha?
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:54 am
I'm already working on my explosives vest.
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gl2200
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 1:21 pmI eagerly await Anthrax trying to cash in on this alleged new resurgence of interest in the thrash scene and then getting gobbed off stage in Bangor leisure centre. Again.
_____I refuse to get even slightly irritated by anything the NME says or does. It just ain't worth the candle.
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The Donk
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 1:43 pmdoes this mean i can dig out my old bullet belt and HI-Tec moon boots and feel part of the 'scene'???
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 2:12 pm
gl2200 wrote:
"I eagerly await Anthrax trying to cash in on this alleged new resurgence of interest in the thrash scene and then getting gobbed off stage in Bangor leisure centre. Again."
Classic - Poor Joey Belladonna's perm absolutely soaked with phlegm. Jason Newsted was man enough to take it at the Antrim Forum the year before!
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Mickeycolensoparade
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 5:02 pmIs it cool to hate nme, or cool to like it, or cool to hate it and still read it?
There's only one solution... indifference
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 5:30 pm
It has nothing to do with being cool.
Why does criticising something have be seen as "cool or uncool". Why not just take people's opinions for what they are instead of bracketing people into dumb labels of implied desire to be cool or not.
That's not a dig at you mate, it's a dig at the mentality of people that percieve anyone who mocks the Indie bible's as being deliberately subversive, which is (ironically) just about as hypocritical as it gets. You know who you are.
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rigsyATL
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 6:09 pmi assume that was aimed at me
*shrugs*
i just think it's become so inevitable that people will slag the NME (and the mercurys, and the klaxons etc etc) it's got pretty boring, is all. it's a perfectly resonable point to make and not really hypocritical at all.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 6:26 pm
And why is it inevitable? Perchance because anyone who's passionate about music dislikes seeing it seized by opportunistic talentless hacks (and no, for once, that one wasn't directed at you.
)I know it must get boring to have to listen to all us crazy luddites who think music is intrinsicly worth something more than a badly written piece in a glossy magazine, or an excuse to hawk your substandard wares on a musically dumbed down populace, but ....tough.
Opposite sides of the fence I guess.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 6:52 pm
it's inevitable because i don't think the mercurys or the NME will ever appeal to most of the people who post on this website. i think the NME is more and more a rag for younger music lovers - it's just next in line after smash hits really and i don't think they even worry about hitting readers older than, say, 21 anymore....which is why i think it's sligthly pointless slagging them off so much.
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King Canute
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 7:17 pmrigsyATL wrote:
it's inevitable because i don't think the mercurys or the NME will ever appeal to most of the people who post on this website. i think the NME is more and more a rag for younger music lovers - it's just next in line after smash hits really and i don't think they even worry about hitting readers older than, say, 21 anymore....which is why i think it's sligthly pointless slagging them off so much.but not slagging it off basically amounts to appeasement and we all saw how that worked out when Nev Chamberlain tried it in 1938.
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PaulATL
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 9:29 pmaye nev was always a Melody Maker man.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 9:34 pm
NME is Q's little brother. Q picks NME up from the cinema and listens politely to NME rave about the super cool spesh effects, whilst smiling to himself. Mojo and Uncut are the two stylish cool cousins who want nothing to do with NME and Q.
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The Natural
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 9:47 pmThe NME is all about fashion.
The music bits are just to fill in the blank spaces.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:21 pm
NME is ten times better than Q on every level, imo. at least NME serves a purpose, Q is a very odd magazine, doesn't seem to know what the fuck it's about or who it's for and about 8/10 covers are daft charts - eg this months effort 'the twenty loudest albums in the world'
and it's new band profiles are acts that broke and were 'hot' about a year previous, it's astonishing how late they are to talk about 'new' acts.
thats another thing about the NME, it definitely does get on the ball with new bands very early - tho granted most would argue 95% of those bands are garbage i suppose.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:37 pm
someone wrote:
NME is ten times better than Q on every level, imo. at least NME serves a purpose, Q is a very odd magazine, doesn't seem to know what the it's about or who it's for
'Q' av net circulation 158,271
'NME' av net circulation 74,206Dunno if that's changed much since 2006... says it all, innit.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:40 pm
rigsyATL wrote:
it's just next in line after smash hits really and i don't think they even worry about hitting readers older than, say, 21 anymore.....If this is indeed the case, then why should we believe that the music they peddle is anything more than music for teenagers? And as a corollary why can't I (pushing 30) or someone else say we think band XYZ is shit without someone suggesting "You're just saying that to try to look cool"?
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:44 pm
rigsyATL wrote:
thats another thing about the NME, it definitely does get on the ball with new bands very early - tho granted most would argue 95% of those bands are garbage i suppose.How many of those new bands actually made it because NME decided they were cause célèbre this month and hyped them more than a simple interview? When I read NME regularly (a decade ago) the 95% of the bands they had in their new band section were never heard of again. I'd imagine its not *that* hard to find a few bands a month that are making a small amount of groundswell in local scenes and do an interview with them.
If you're in the bathroom and spin around while pissing, some of it will land in the toilet...
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 10:49 pm
The Fires of Hell wrote:
'Q' av net circulation 158,271
'NME' av net circulation 74,206
Dunno if that's changed much since 2006... says it all, innit.For a magazine with as much prestige and heritage as NME it's only 5th in the ABC music magazine circulation figures. Being beaten by Q, Mojo, Uncut and The Fly.
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the monster mash
Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:09 pmthe only people who give a fuck what the nme say apart from these under 21s rigsy is talkin about are people many years older desperately trying to appear hip..people who dont seem to actually like music. image image image..fuckin wild.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:17 pm
The biggest qualm i have with NME is the overuse of 'is this the best debut since defanetly maybe?' thing they do
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:43 pm
my-angel-rocks - i think you're missing my point. i kinda agree with a lot of what you say...and it's not really the slagging of certain bands that i don't get or understand, it's the whole blaming everything on the NME i think is a bit pointless. i think as a magazine, it serves a purpose. and i think most people who really hate it now would all say they enjoyed reading it regularly at some point in there life and i think that says it all.
i dunno why i stand up for it so much, i don't work for them or anything, ha ha....but it's an interesting debate. anyway, i'll shut up now.
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Mon 23rd Jul 2007, 11:44 pm
NME is just a figurehead for the larger problem.
I guess I'm a purist, I prefer art that has a little soul in it. NME doesn't cater, neither do any of the popular media organisations that, as we all know, are entirely one dimensional (with the exception of possibly the show 120 minutes on M2, maybe).
It's the media equivalant of the people who tried so very hard to hold onto the conservative, adventureless, pointless dirge of popular painfully white music before the 60's got underway, or the defenders of cock rock before Nirvana came and went "fúck away off," They hold up progression and beauty, rather than embracing it. That's just how I feel about it.
I guess indifference is best. People can like what they want, and hawk what they like, but the predominant self righteous attitude of these shows and rags of "this is the totally hip only relevant thing around right now" is tiring and frankly out of date with anyone who's not in a bubble, and pointing this obvious reality out and being branded boring is whats actually boring. That and having the nerve to compare forgetabble throwaway bands to actual good relevant and influential bands, lowering the bar and allowing banality and tripe to ride rough shod over talent, that's pretty damn boring too. (See, Klaxons, or any band in "The road to V" that isn't Kagura - and no, I don't know anyone from Kagura, but at least they have soul, unlike the rest of the ripoffs on that show that are taking up valuable space over forgotten good bands with soul - See Catoan or some band like that).
I suppose I should go put my money where my mouth is and create something that will wake a generation up. Even if i didn't, it wouldn't make it any less true (I am trying though
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 1:14 am
rigsyATL wrote:
it's the whole blaming everything on the NME i think is a bit pointless.I don't blame NME for anything(*) I see them more of a symptom of what I think is wrong than the cause.
(*) Well, besides the shite that is the Arctic Monkeys and the Klaxons, and even that is just an outworking of the same problem.
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abze
Tue 24th Jul 2007, 2:27 amsomeone wrote:
Jason Newsted was man enough to take it at the Antrim Forum the year before!Was it Anthrax or Megadeth that dedicated a song to the IRA in Antrim forum and barely lived to apologise??[/quote]
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the dirty weed
Tue 24th Jul 2007, 6:33 amThe Fires of Hell wrote:
someone wrote:
NME is ten times better than Q on every level, imo. at least NME serves a purpose, Q is a very odd magazine, doesn't seem to know what the it's about or who it's for
'Q' av net circulation 158,271
'NME' av net circulation 74,206
Dunno if that's changed much since 2006... says it all, innit.no it doesn't. what's the circulation for the wire, mojo, plan b etc? all less than Q, i'd imagine and all infinitely better magazines. Q is a f*ckin' shocker these days.
also - giving out about nme covering thrash is like giving out about smash hits covering blur in '94. who gives a f*ck?
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 8:12 am
someone wrote:
no it doesn't. what's the circulation for the wire, mojo, plan b etc? all less than Q, i'd imagine and all infinitely better magazines. Q is a f*ckin' shocker these days.Mojo's av net circulation was 114,183 in '06, which makes it second only to Q, and which still puts it miles ahead of NME.
Wire and Plan B arent even remotely comparable in terms of content, so comparing sales isnt really that relevant.
Comparing Q is, and the figures speak for themselves.
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kingmob
Tue 24th Jul 2007, 8:36 amWell, no you're comparing weekly and monthly magazines so the figures don't tally. And they are entirely different markets.
I've said this before but because Yank stuff is far better at the moment, blogs are the best place for finding new stuff. The NME usually takes their lead now.
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 9:39 am
Dont think so - the figures are net average for the month.
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 10:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoN6XfyQsr4 - "Thou Shall Not Read NME"
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 12:14 pm
There's a bit of hypocrisy in my dislike of the magazine. I'm part of a band that is indie rock and I think we sound like a band that would be featured in NME. to be fair to us though, we don't try to make it like that, it just what comes out naturally. I do believe we've probably sent a demo in at one time or another
ops: ah well.... at least I don't have that skeleton in me clost
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 12:41 pm
Mickeycolensoparade wrote:
There's a bit of hypocrisy in my dislike of the magazine. I'm part of a band that is indie rock and I think we sound like a band that would be featured in NME. to be fair to us though, we don't try to make it like that, it just what comes out naturally. I do believe we've probably sent a demo in at one time or anotherops:
ah well.... at least I don't have that skeleton in me clostDon't be embarrassed dude...I'd even consider sending my demo to the Auto Trader if I thought it might help. Shit mag, but if you can use it then use it.
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 12:55 pm
someone wrote:
blogs are the best place for finding new stuff. The NME usually takes their lead now.And this makes us want to read blogs why now?
In my experience of daz interwab, 90 percent of blogging is try-hard nonsense spewed from the lobes of attention seeking retards. Apart from Baron's wee myspace blog. He speaks the truth and the truth is everything sucks!
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Niall Harden
Tue 24th Jul 2007, 4:16 pmsomeone wrote:
i guess indifference is best..in a post of 313 words, these are the five useful ones!
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 4:19 pm
I'm more than comfortable with my broiling hatred, thanks.
That piece is indefensible toss on every imaginable level to a fan of the muisic and symptomatic of a much wider malaise. Period.Also, I'd like to repeat that I've hated the NME since I was 14 or 15 and actually aware of it. For pretty much the same reasons I do today, although it does seem to have gone from merely profoundly irritating to actually grossly revolting in recent years.
This of course makes me the most/least cool person in the country / world / solar system.
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xfirefishx
Tue 24th Jul 2007, 6:34 pmQ is an incredibly dull and for the most part uninspiring magazine. I'd rather read the NME. Its circulation is as it is perhaps because it is one of the very few music magazines out there and one of the very, very, very few that caters to a mature audience. There really is little else.
It's no Select. I miss it.
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 6:58 pm
Ohh Select was good for posters and CDs. Their Haute Cultre cd was a classic
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Tue 24th Jul 2007, 7:18 pm
I'd wipe my arse with the NME, but not with Q, as it is too glossy. That's the only reason I wouldn't tho.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 8:37 am
I had a wee flick through the all singing, all dancing new look NME this week and layoutwise at least, it is not a total abortion. Far more coherence to the various sections - something it has lacked for years.
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Herb
Wed 25th Jul 2007, 10:23 ami wouldn't wipe my messy bumhole with the nme, it's not journalism, it's a joke; written by some 18 year old scribbling down his thoughts while he hokes thru various myspazz sites. all while being equipped with a daft haircut and annoyingly bright 'nu rave' clothes i'm sure.
a comlpete waste of trees.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 11:28 am
Yeah?
Bet you'd all be genuinely excited if you were in it! -
Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:00 pm
Best thing yet is to pretend you were in it.
Simply scan both sides of a page from last weeks copy, twiddle about photoshop and strategically place your band in an appropriately titled "up and coming" type-page, shovel a few quid at a printer getting the paper quality right and then show it to all your friends.
Since it looks like no-one reads it from these comments, you'll be quids in!
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:05 pm
My friend was in NME once, interviewed after a Manics gig. They called him a goth. He was very pissed off and never bought it again.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:08 pm
someone wrote:
Best thing yet is to pretend you were in it.What, like thrash?
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RAAP Management
Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:15 pmClassic cynical FF arguments vol XXXVII: if you don't like a band, person or media outlet, it follows that you can only be jealous of them / it.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:17 pm
the best thing about NME in the time i've read it was the old THRILLS section, when johnny cigarettes did it, very very funny.
the current jokey section is deeply unfunny.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:20 pm
RAAP Management wrote:
Classic cynical FF arguments vol XXXVII: if you don't like a band, person or media outlet, it follows that you can only be jealous of them / it.
No other motivation for your feelings based on cognitive thought and the experience of your eyes and ears is even remotely credible.You're just jealous of that arguement
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:33 pm
rigsyATL wrote:
the best thing about NME in the time i've read it was the old THRILLS section, when johnny cigarettes did it, very very funny.
the current jokey section is deeply unfunny.OI BULLSHTER!: with Grant Mitchell was the funniest thing in the world when I was 16.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 12:47 pm
i remember one were they were taking the piss out the manics, when they were releasing 'if you tolerate this, your children will be next' off 'this is my truth, tell me yours'
granted, they were an easy target with names like that, but the mock lyrics and song titles they'd made up in an album review made for the funniest thing i have EVER read in a paper/magazine.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 2:27 pm
I can see here that many people have had some good times with this mag, but Patrick Swayze's hair style type sweeping opening statements like:
"If you're a fan of comics, wizards, sharks..." do it no justice.
Did the mag use this 'dumbed down' literary approach to communicate with an already 'dumbed down' audience, or were they carefully taking the piss out of a serious genre?
Also it only took seven lines before it felt the need to qualify its ok to report on thrash music by showing that thrash music is also liked/endorsed by the more mainstream 'popular musicians', and hence ensuring its readers that its OK to keep reading.
Are most NME readers so nieve/ignorant that they need a stupid journalist to tell them, in a most patronising way, that other music exists outside of the realms of "the Klaxons" and "The Editors"?
What the fuck do the Klaxons have to do with a genre of music thats existed for well over 20 years? mmm...thats a tough one, wait a minute, its not tough at all, in fact its as simple as the average fashion numpty (fash first, music...whats that?) its gotta be because they think that old band t-shirts are cool. Surely? And if they wear the t-shirt they must be qualified to talk about thrash to a journo in NME.
Its as bad as being in a club where 1 in every 2 people are wearing a Ramones T-shirt...
"So you like the Ramones?"
"Wha? Whos the Ranomes?"
"Did you fall and rip your t-shirt, awful shame?"
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 3:28 pm
the NME is great. its like a warning sign carried by phonies
see an acquaintance with an NME, delete his number from your phonebook
no but in all seriousness im not okay with this whole "oh you should just ignore it" nonsense. this more reasonable than thou look how liberal and super tolerant i am its all opinion fidgy widgyness
ill hate it if i want to, and i do
its a big glossy trashy hyped up capitalist ass blast, a bill board folded up and sold. its not a music magazine, its a consumer magazine, a soulless advertisement for soulless, transient, derivative, trendy, marketable money grabbing poppycock
like hadouken
ooh we have a trendy name
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 3:49 pm
RAAP Management wrote:
Classic cynical FF arguments vol XXXVII: if you don't like a band, person or media outlet, it follows that you can only be jealous of them / it.
No other motivation for your feelings based on cognitive thought and the experience of your eyes and ears is even remotely credible.You're in a band! You wanna be in the NME! It's like saying you wouldn't do top of the pops.
Yeah? Then you're a freak!I know it's a different beast these days but I loved every article, interview, news item, live, single and album review we got back in the day!
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tenrabbits
Wed 25th Jul 2007, 3:56 pmVice magazine is where it's at.. short to the point music reviews, which are frequently hilarious, and the content is often extremely well written.
And it has diddies in it.
Here's a link : http://www.viceland.com/index_int.php?country=uk
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 4:03 pm
Ah! The Shoreditch Bible.
You been in their bar? Man, I've never seen so many "cool" haircuts. -
The enfant terrible
Wed 25th Jul 2007, 4:04 pmWould everyone here wise up, thrash is balls and the NME are full of shi-t, which everyone sucks in. Back when the libertines were together and releasing records the NME was talking about how great they were while the rest of the country were buying the first Darkness album.
Strange how everyone forgets these things.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 4:04 pm
someone wrote:
Vice magazine is where it's at.. short to the point music reviews, which are frequently hilarious, and the content is often extremely well written.
And it has diddies in it.I'm not reading that unless it has willies in it as well.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 4:47 pm
barrypeak wrote:
Ah! The Shoreditch Bible.
You been in their bar? Man, I've never seen so many "cool" haircuts.Aye.. it does veer hideously close to Nathan Barley territory sometimes.. tho I've always thought it was those kinda folks it took the mick outta?
And yes renta.. it's equal opportunity on the nudity alright.
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Wed 25th Jul 2007, 11:08 pm
barrypeak wrote:
Ah! The Shoreditch Bible.
You been in their bar? Man, I've never seen so many "cool" haircuts.haha! yeah - Vice gives you a couple of giggles which is decent enough for being free but it pretty much is SugaRape.
i recommend a few things on their internet tv channel though - vbs.tv. ian svenonius rules.
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Thu 26th Jul 2007, 2:07 pm
haha, i've got the darkness album
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Seamy ALB
Thu 26th Jul 2007, 2:35 pmI still love The Darkness, great band! "Knockers" has probably the best chorus melody this century!
Anyways Blackened will be playing lots of very nice Thrash covers this weekend Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Sepultura, Kreator etz do come along!!
www.alittlebitter.co.uk
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Defcon speaks
Thu 26th Jul 2007, 3:22 pmYep, the NME is a rag. That's old hat by now surely?? I would say Motd's Mark Lawrenson would be a more reliable source of info on whats cool these days.
He's bound to know more about music than he does about football anyway...
Here's a question for you:
Who do you hate more - Mark "Lawro" Lawrenson?? or Dundee rockers The View??
http://www.myspace.com/beatsbydefcon
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Thu 26th Jul 2007, 7:11 pm
Its got to be those spotty mop top La's wannabe cnuts.
Am I wrong?
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 1:35 pm
Humbly boy won't mention it but the NME gets a well deserved digging in the News Letter today.
Haughty NME Can't Own Everything
Counter Culture
Ciaran TraceyIt’s all too easy to slag off the NME, isn’t it? A bit like shooting fish in a barrel, really. How we laughed last year as its pop spin off was mothballed after failing to shift even a tenth of its print run. How we sniggered as its Irish imprint fared little better, kissing the blarney after a meagre two months. Ours might be a music scene of armchair experts, and that’s for sure. But if NME’s sorrows don’t unite it, nothing will.
In the neon awfulness of those Horrors cover shoots, it’s easy to forget what this British institution once was. The Beatles, The ‘Stones, The Sex Pistols, The Smiths, Britpop, White Stripes and recently Arctic Monkeys all owe a debt to the magazine’s patronage. It also gave us our best writing: Nick Kent, Tony Parsons, Steve Lamacq and even (kill me) Paul Morley all cut their teeth there. In those days, rock history was being written in its pages. They were there, and in some cases, they even made it. NME had authority. It had weight. But that time, and those names, are long gone.
Despite the candour and vivacity of its best journalism, it has become easy to knock it. And worst of all, it’s entirely justified.
Most people aren’t aware of what the magazine has had to endure. The last ten years have been the rockiest in the whole industry’s bumpy history. Few new titles last, and only a fool would start one. Competition is cut throat. The need to spot the latest trend, jump on the wagon and cling desperately until the next means success or failure.
Why? Because it translates to sales. And sales translate to authority. But there’s a funny chicken and egg situation at play here. If you don’t have the market clout, you get it by making people think you’re the cultural barometer. The arbiter of the very zeitgeist itself. You get it by making the trends. Then letting people know you made them.
This attitude – by now the magazine’s signature tone – was what made it particularly repellent reading this week.
You know the clothes a lot of hip people are wearing at the moment? Tight trousers, white shoes that look like they’re from the moon, big hair and shirts with bizarre band logos like ‘Exodus’? Well, the look came from American heavy metal of the 1980’s. More specifically, thrash metal - fast, heavy, scintillating stuff. I was raised on it, and so were many others. We still love it, because it made us who we are.
Oddly, its outdated look has found favour with today’s New Ravers. Or so NME has decided. Who knows why, given that that mess of musical ideas – indie, rave and metal - are as far away from one another as you can get. Trust me: this isn’t just a magazine being stupid. It’s plain wrong – outrageously, deliberately wrong. It’s plumbing the cultural barrel in a desperate search for ideas and relevance.
'Thrash' meant a lot to people. Bands that now seem daft caught and bottled the fears and tensions of the Cold War era, and set its nighhtmare to music. It was potent, critical, and socially aware. Just like punk was when writers like Nick Kent still lived it for the NME.
The magazine has forgotten its ethos, and is now treating a huge, vital genre as the ironic clothes-horse for bands that won’t be here next year. I’m embarrassed for them.
You have to see this stuff for what it is: NME, struggling to regain position, speculating wildly on any muck that promises to place them at the front of things.
But hold on - who has outstripped it in the sales figures again this month? Yes, you guess it – Kerrang! ‘New Rave’ won’t enjoy 20 years of longevity like the thrash they laugh at. So let them have their silly clothes. Because it’s clear that the emperor, and NME, is more naked than ever. -
thesacredhearts
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 2:11 pmSorry but it was said before "its ours, you can't have it". And this seems to me that your nostalgia for thrash means that a newer audience can't enjoy it, even if it is a cynically marketed ploy by the NME. Is its exclusivity something that is more of merit, than people actually liking the music?
And indie and dance and metal have all ovelapped long before "new rave".
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 2:17 pm
"seems to me that your nostalgia for thrash means that a newer audience can't enjoy it"
That's utter rubbish, the author runs one of Europe's biggest metal websites which actively encourages kids to discover all sorts of harder rock music including thrash
It's the f*ck-witted misrepresentation of the music, image and whole ouvre of the genre which is so very galling. And the spasticly patronising tone. -
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 2:22 pm
someone wrote:
its exclusivityDo us a favour. Can you go to Soundscan or Billboard or somewhere and tell me how many albums you think Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica and Anthrax have sold together over the years?
Now would you really call that exclusive? I wouldnt. I'd call it an entire generation.
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Andrew
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 2:35 pmThe funny thing about thrash is that almost every good thrash record was recorded in a five year period in the '80s before the bands all turned balls overnight in 1990 - and that includes Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax and Hobbs' Angel Of Death.
Yet here we are almost two decades later still blabbing on about them - and now the NME have slithered onboard. Who'da thunk it?!
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 2:49 pm
My point exactly. It's most unedifying.
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zebulon
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 3:11 pmThe funny thing is that without thrash, Helmet wouldn't've invented the dropped-D riff and metal as we know it today would not exist.
In a roundabout kind of way.
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The Grace Jones
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 3:23 pmWithout the slave trade there would have been no blues, and therefore no rock, and therefore no Black Sabbath, and therefore no modern rock/metal at all. Some forward thinking African American needs to sue every major record label on the planet. I'm a little surprised it hasn't already happened.
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 3:41 pm
zebulon wrote:
The funny thing is that without thrash, Helmet wouldn't've invented the dropped-D riff and metal as we know it today would not exist.
And there was me thinking thrash was great. I'm off to burn half my record collection. -
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 3:44 pm
Think of future generations of metallers. They will have one great big flat index finger and the other three will have withered away to vestigial stumps.
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Black Stylus
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 3:53 pmsomeone wrote:
Think of future generations of metallers...I'll stop you there...
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 4:46 pm
Are there any good music magazines? I've never bought one before, something always puts me off any I've seen - recommend me a good one and where to get it and I'll check it out.
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ebs93
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 9:57 pmClassic Rock Magazine - brightens up even the dullest day
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Furball
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 10:12 pmabze wrote:
someone wrote:
Jason Newsted was man enough to take it at the Antrim Forum the year before!
Was it Anthrax or Megadeth that dedicated a song to the IRA in Antrim forum and barely lived to apologise??[/quote]
That was Dave Mustaine from Megadeth. Drunk and American he didn't have a clue, bless.
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 10:56 pm
ebs93 wrote:
Classic Rock Magazine - brightens up even the dullest dayI don't want to read about Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix or AC/DC.
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greensleevesisgod
Fri 27th Jul 2007, 11:28 pmTele wrote:
ebs93 wrote:
Classic Rock Magazine - brightens up even the dullest day
I don't want to read about Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix or AC/DC.Yeah but you don't understand, it's the new classic rock we're talkin bout here. none of the old stuff. bands like the answer and wolfmother. You know?
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Fri 27th Jul 2007, 11:39 pm
So... just rock then?
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Sat 28th Jul 2007, 12:42 am
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery I guess.
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eucrid eucrow
Sat 28th Jul 2007, 8:44 amTele wrote:
Are there any good music magazines? I've never bought one before, something always puts me off any I've seen - recommend me a good one and where to get it and I'll check it out.Plan B is very good - always features interesting stuff and good mix of mostly well-written articles. Wire usually has something worth reading in it but features an awful lot of w.ank too.
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Sat 28th Jul 2007, 9:18 am
I'm well aware of Metal ireland, and that wasn't what i was talking about at all.
someone wrote:
You cant. It's ours.Thats what I was talking about there. While the tone of the article may be Barley-esque, I just don't get this mentality of "its ours. we were there from the start, they are all band wagon jumpers" whatever. From your perspective i would only see that you might have a chance to get some good new records out of a "nu" scene.
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Sat 28th Jul 2007, 6:02 pm
"its ours. we were there from the start, they are all band wagon jumpers"
It's the NME in particular ironically greasing all over a genre they know nothing of and have sneered at since its inception that bothers me - and I am guessing FOH was directing his 'it's ours' at the rag itself and the witless, fashionista w*nkpots who run it, not at a kid who bought his first Testament album today.
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Sun 29th Jul 2007, 7:53 am
Precisely. F**k 'em.
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That Man Fanjo
Wed 1st Aug 2007, 6:20 pmPeople who didn't like thrash when it was less popular than it is now are more likely to dislike stuff that isn't thrash compared to when it was more popular than it will be tomorrow.
True story.
(Or something)
Whiplash... Power and Pain, on a prehistoric C90, loud as eff. -
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 8:36 am
Andrew Griswold wrote:
zebulon wrote:
The funny thing is that without thrash, Helmet wouldn't've invented the dropped-D riff and metal as we know it today would not exist.
And there was me thinking thrash was great. I'm off to burn half my record collection.The other half being Benny Hill soundtrack picture-discs and cassingles.
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thehellfireclub
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 9:21 amDavy Graham invented the drop D tuning to try and get the sound of a sitar. I'd say it came to helmet from Jimmy Page. He knew that whole Lahnndan folk guitar crew and they all robbed off each other. Kashmir and white Mountain side/black summer are in that tuning.
Anyone remember sabbat and skyclad? 'blood for the blood God' *snigger* it's meaningless isn't it? -
Steven Dedalus
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 10:04 amFurball wrote:
abze wrote:
someone wrote:
Was it Anthrax or Megadeth that dedicated a song to the IRA in Antrim forum and barely lived to apologise??
That was Dave Mustaine from Megadeth. Drunk and American he didn't have a clue, bless.I remember reading an interview with Mustaine in Classic Rock magazine a couple of years ago, and they asked him, "What is your biggest regret in life?"
And his answer was simply, "Antrim."
To which I would respond, "Try growing up there, fool!"
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 10:08 am
Sure he wrote Holy Wars about it...which is generally inaccurately regarded as being about the Middle East.
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Numbnut Sounds
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 10:33 ami liked Thrash when i was 14
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 10:45 am
T Entertainment wrote:
Sure he wrote Holy Wars about it...which is generally inaccurately regarded as being about the Middle East.I'm probably walking right into this, but is that true? I figured that it was about the world in general, hence the video, with all its images of global conflicts and gas masks buried in desert sands. Check it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YczYC2yHTMI wonder then if 'Hangar 18' is about Geoge Best Belfast City Airport?
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 11:01 am
Numbnut Sounds wrote:
i liked Thrash when i was 14Well I think I see what you are implying there Stephen - but the JOKE IS ON YOU because the NME says thrash IS kewl um'k?
;¬)
Next week in NME there is an article about how 'fighting fantasy - choose your own adventure' books are the height of sophisticated reading. Ha ha the yanks don't get irony we're so clever. -
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 11:05 am
Numbnut Sounds wrote:
i liked Thrash when i was 14Deep down you're still fourteen, and you still like it!
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 11:46 am
ill keep my anti-metal rant for another time
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sheriffjohnstone
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 12:00 pmNumbnut Sounds wrote:
ill keep my anti-metal rant for another timePlease do.
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tinpot anto
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 12:02 pmI read an article in the Times about how Fighting Fantasy books were the height of sophisticated reading last week.
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 12:51 pm
tinpot anto wrote:
I read an article in the Times about how Fighting Fantasy books were the height of sophisticated reading last week.
Um yes the non-linear narrative and the er recursive elements of the form allow it to break away from traditional male forms, I'm guessing. -
Stevie Mac
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 1:06 pmI used to get those FF books from the library all the time when I was wee. Also Tintin and Asterix. Is that better or worse than liking thrash?
My team leader here at work loves his thrash. Think his fave band is Entombed.
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 1:30 pm
tinpot anto wrote:
I read an article in the Times about how Fighting Fantasy books were the height of sophisticated reading last week.I had one called "You Are a Shark".
Excpet, you weren't really. You generally tended to be transofrmed into a sparrow, or a deer or something.
Load of rubbish.
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 1:57 pm
All I remember of those is running out of free fingers to stuff 'twixt the pages.
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Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 2:14 pm
I cheated all the time with those books...no one was watching, it was easy.
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Warren Drugs
Thu 2nd Aug 2007, 10:38 pmI've nowt to say on the matter but this may be of interest to some:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0731,freeman,77367,22.html -
Wed 5th Sep 2007, 8:36 am
As pointed out on toffworld, Fastfude is now the journalists choice of hotlink, and I don't mean T-Ents.. I mean, like real journamalists..:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/08/thrash_was_no_flash_in_the_pan.html
Thrash metal is back back back, fastfude is a reference site, the world ends.
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fastfude
Wed 5th Sep 2007, 8:50 amaye, was flagged up a few days ago: http://www.fastfude.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20721
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George W Best
Wed 23rd Jul 2008, 7:18 pmone year on and I think you'll agree the NME got it spot on once again.
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