1. avatar penthouserehersal
    ok guys i am looking your learned advice


    in a few months i will have £40,000

    i plan to buy 2 pre cbs strats and maybe have money left for a rory g strat for myself

    i plan to fly to the usa with a friend with a strat each in case
    dump/pawn the mex strats when i get there replace them with two pre cbs strats and fly back


    the problems are how to get the 40g there travellers cheques bank transfer cash etc etc!
  2. avatar goatboy
    No matter how you get the money there, I imagine it will look suspicious.
  3. avatar penthouserehersal
    well there is nothing dodgy about the money i just wanna avoid paying the import taxes
  4. avatar The Grace Jones
    I like that. "Nothing dodgy about the money, just need help with the multi-thousand-pound fraud I'm trying to get away with". :wink:
  5. avatar Rock Danger
    You put it on a credit card, you don't need to take cases and your best bet is to go to the east coast and fly back thru Dublin from probably Newark or Orlando depending where you're going.

    Surely if you were spending $80,000 on guitars, which boggles me completely - they'd be in custom aluminium flight cases?

    You'd pay extra for the weight of the case at check in and if you [b:0f92d4c1db]have[/b:0f92d4c1db] to declare it, then buy cheaper copies over there, pawn/ebay them via a friend, keep the receipts and be charged the duty on that value instead.
  6. avatar The Grace Jones
    Additionally, it might be advisable not to declare publicly the exact details of your plan to defraud Her Majesty's Customs & Excise, including your possible flight patterns, the goods involved in the fraud, and the amount of money involved in the fraud and your means of moving it, on a public message board.

    I'm sorry for ripping the piss. It truly is a Baldrick-esque maneuver though!
  7. avatar Andrew Mc Gibbon
    is this a wind up
  8. avatar Kingnez
    crazy
  9. avatar penthouserehersal
    no it isnt a wind up and i was under the impression that stringed instruments can be brought on as hand luggage and if we go over as musicians with two slightly beaten up fender strats and return with two more or less identical ones the only difference being ones that say made in usa as apposed to mexico that are 30- 40 yrs older whose to know ??
  10. avatar Rock Danger
    Hence why I said Dublin GJ - avoiding our Queen.

    If you fly them international, they have to be checked or else buy them a seat in coach or cloakroom space in Business Class.

    The luggage people go out with and return is often very different so it's not like your items are tagged on a return flight making the whole taking crap guitars with you redundant.

    Having said all that tho, I once put a musicman sterling on my back in a gig bag that said "Chuck Levin's Washington" and managed to get it as carry on, even for the lil plane home - of course that was before everything blew up.
  11. avatar penthouserehersal
    i like it

    i dont mind buying them a seat as i dont want them to leave my sight

    the airline will be the same and if we buy a return seat for instruments then i think itll look a little less suspicious
    another plan is to buy an old les paul and take it to the jazz club in nyc where he plays and ask him to sign it
  12. avatar Rock Danger
    Where who plays? Anyway, the airline doesn't care, that's 3 seats in coach return that's roughly 1,650 pounds.

    It's customs you want to be worried about, even tho Dublin doesn't technically have any.. well they have an empty corridor and a desk - proof of purchase is your best weapon not a seat stub.

    Like I said, full flight cases and check em. Dublin doesn't care, especially if you have an Irish passport - something you guys might want to consider.
  13. avatar penthouserehersal
    we have both


    were les paul plays!
  14. avatar clss_act_00
    you're planning to spend near £40,00 on guitars yet you wanna cheap out on the tax. hmmm
  15. avatar The Grace Jones
    It's daring. It's got style. I like it.
    Anybody with the clankers to discuss their intention to pull off a £9000-odd tax evasion on an internet forum with 5000-odd registered users and an address on their profile [i:f3291f98e0]deserves[/i:f3291f98e0] to succeed. Good luck and Godspeed!
  16. avatar thecomeons_2
    well, he hasn't posted which bank he will raid to get the money in the first place ;)
  17. avatar Rock Danger
    I think it's awesome and I hope you pull it off (ooer!) f<uk HM customs, they're greedy bastids. In fact, just come home via Germany > Dublin they have so may musicians going back and forth they don't have time, just clear customs where drug smuggling is a problem in Europe; basically land somewhere that bizarre with an Irish passport, hang out for a weekend and then head home.

    And here's the legal way to do it. If you keep the guitars in the states after purchase for 3 years, then there's no duty.

    So why Strats? I mean I understand if it's a weapon of choice and i'm sure this is some investment of sorts? It's not like you take a 20k axe to a gig right or to noodle with in your bedroom?

    40k these days is best put into property, if what you wanna do is make a fat return at the end of the day.

    Best of luck.

    R.

    Hey Pete down there (sorry past my 10 post limit for the first time ever) - quick investment yes, but semi long term (even 5 years) no.

    I'll give you ipods and roller-skates!!! well maybe just the roller-skates, that would be comedy.. comedy enuff to actually give you my ipod - everyone wins! hooray!
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  18. avatar Pete
    Actually I believe that the right vintage guitar is a better investment for a quick return.

    It's that or ipods and roller skates.
  19. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:e503fbb499="penthouserehersal"]the problems are how to get the 40g there travellers cheques bank transfer cash etc etc![/quote:e503fbb499]

    You have to declare any monies brought into the US over 10,000$ on your entry form. Credit/debit card is probably the way to go...
  20. avatar chrisjedijane
    Are you just buying the guitars as an investment?

    If so, don't buy pre-CBS strats. Buy Jaguars or Jazzmasters from 59-63 instead - they're steadily rising in value. You could get an all-original custom-colour '62 Jazzmaster for much less than $8,000, and the price will rise pretty quickly.
  21. avatar racecarisracecarbackwards
    [quote:bf5dc7bac2="chrisjedijane"]Are you just buying the guitars as an investment?

    If so, don't buy pre-CBS strats. Buy Jaguars or Jazzmasters from 59-63 instead - they're steadily rising in value. You could get an all-original custom-colour '62 Jazzmaster for much less than $8,000, and the price will rise pretty quickly.[/quote:bf5dc7bac2]

    I can see where you're coming from, but the man has £40,000, and with that amount of money, I know I'd buy pre-CBS and not Jaguars or Jazzmasters, just look out for refinishes! haha
  22. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:546f41de29="Pete"]Actually I believe that the right vintage guitar is a better investment for a quick return.
    [/quote:546f41de29]

    Nah, forget guitars altogether, cigarettes are really the highest profit margin where duty/vat evasion is concerned.
  23. avatar penthouserehersal
    [quote:7ddd183a71="Rock Danger"]
    40k these days is best put into property,[/quote:7ddd183a71]


    thats where i made the money i believe the arse is going to fall out of the property market soon enough
  24. avatar spirit of division
    drugs.

    or...scrathcards.

    but really...why not buy a heap of cheaper guitars that more people can aford yet are increasing in value? Not like there's someone easily obtainable looking for a 20k + guitar on these shores.

    but a heap of travis beans.
  25. avatar korndog
    The only hard part is getting the money there, don't use travelers checks, no where takes them anymore and near impossible to get cashed. Fly via Dublin and on return, with said instruments, walk through the nothing to declare gate like a lord, they never bother checking.

    But your fucking mental.
  26. avatar barrypeak
    all strats sound the same whether usa, mexican or squire...
    rancid!
  27. avatar chrisjedijane
    Barry drops the science ;)
  28. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:32d1d0ae83="penthouserehersal"]ok guys i am looking your learned advice


    in a few months i will have £40,000

    i plan to buy 2 pre cbs strats and maybe have money left for a rory g strat for myself

    i plan to fly to the usa with a friend with a strat each in case
    dump/pawn the mex strats when i get there replace them with two pre cbs strats and fly back


    the problems are how to get the 40g there travellers cheques bank transfer cash etc etc![/quote:32d1d0ae83]


    you missed out that bit about being Nigerian and wanting all our bank account details to help you.
  29. avatar racecarisracecarbackwards
    [quote:df39be707b="barrypeak"]all strats sound the same whether usa, mexican or squire...
    rancid![/quote:df39be707b]

    I don't think he's intending on gigging with them to be honest, and if he is he's a silly billy!
    But I do agree, you need a humbucker on a strat in my opinion. Or, what a guy I worked with did, put 3 lipstick pickups on it, which I thought was a smart idea.
  30. avatar ginpromo
    [quote:934b9b7d66="penthouserehersal"][quote:934b9b7d66="Rock Danger"]
    40k these days is best put into property,[/quote:934b9b7d66]


    thats where i made the money i believe the arse is going to fall out of the property market soon enough[/quote:934b9b7d66]

    Do you plan to live in a Strat? Cool
  31. avatar penthouserehersal
    my thinking is that
    ive made a stupid increase on my house that probably wont repeat
    the £ is really strong against the $ at the minute
    the vintage strat market is growing consistently
    i should be able to avoid the whole issue of import tax as several people have informed there are completely legal ways to get around this
    if the property market does crash and inflation goes up dramatically and the £ dips , i should still be able to sell my strat as there is always going to be the very rich who can afford expensive toys or sell it back to the us and recieve more £££ and get back on the property ladder in a better position than i started
  32. avatar Niall Harden
    hey barry! that was unfair to strats.

    good strat sounds:
    mark knopfler
    malcolm middleton
  33. avatar barrypeak
    yeah niall... whatever!

    you know that other thread about rock and roll being dead?
    this thread is the final nail in the coffin. look at the post before niall's! i mean, just look at it!
    it actually says that!
  34. avatar penthouserehersal
    what shock horror
    'man tries to make profit'
    i didnt say it was right or wrong and im not a guitar snob
    the only fender i play is a mexican tele and my yamaha pacifica 812 will probably sound comparable to the strats i buy at much better value
    this has nothing to do at all with the sanitisation of rock
    im simply a poor tosser whos hoping to buy some products that in a few years some rich tosser will buy off me at an inflated price to this thread could as easily apply to a royal doulton vase with some lilac pennywinkles on it
  35. avatar Niall Harden
    [quote:471234a134]im simply a poor tosser[/quote:471234a134]

    it doesn't sound like you are poor![/quote]
  36. avatar barrypeak
    [quote:3cc3cb0bc1="penthouserehersal"] this thread could as easily apply to a royal doulton vase with some lilac pennywinkles on it[/quote:3cc3cb0bc1]

    kinda proved my point there.
  37. avatar penthouserehersal
    No whilst your point is valid it is misguided the high value of strats is not very rock and roll but i didn't create the market or the desire for pre cbs strats infact i suppose you could say that cbs created the market by allowing production standards to drop thus creating the desire for early fenders



    nah well im poorish as im mortgaged up to my eyeballs at the minute
    and im shit with money this is as much an exercise in preventing me from pissing the dough up the wall


    and at least this way i can hide in my cave playing with my instrument you cant do that with an isa!
  38. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:2435592d1f="penthouserehersal"]and at least this way i can hide in my cave playing with my instrument[/quote:2435592d1f]

    Would that not lower the value or did I miss a veiled innuendo?
  39. avatar penthouserehersal
    a thinly veiled one at that

    nah i can be like a geek who gets out his millenium falcon or optimus prime once in a while and maybe let some friends use it for recording but thats where barry probably is right and itd be tricky to hear the difference between a vintage and a decent modern counterpart and your tone will only be4 as good as the weakest part in the chain so if your running it through a pod or a shitty amp thatd make using it more or less redundant
  40. avatar The Grace Jones
    Is insurance not a worry?
    If I had £40,000 (well, actually closer to a value of £50,000 once they land in the UK (woohoo!)) worth of guitars sitting around with the intention of re-selling them at some point in the future, I would probably want them insured. But you're not really going to be able to insure them, since you're importing them illegally. Concern?
  41. avatar Music Galleria
    IF I wanted to invest that kinda money into Fenders I'd be tempted to stay at home and scour classifieds & ebay for 70's Fenders. You could get 25 of the buggers for 40 grand and you wouldn't be involved in smuggling/avoidance of tax & duty!

    I'm always amazed at some of the tat that's considered "vintage & collectable" and therefore worthy of high prices. I'm sure 70's Fender's have plenty of investment potential yet.
  42. avatar penthouserehersal
    ive found away round the tax issue

    ill have proof of purchase and get them appraised and insured at the higher amount !

    music g yeah i see your point and i do think the 70s fenders are a better buy but this seems more simple
  43. avatar The Grace Jones
    Rock and roll!
    After taking Customs & Excise for £2000 and the VAT man for another £7000, you are now going to defraud an insurance company! Sir, you are a legend. Now, about your TV licence...
  44. avatar penthouserehersal
    Easy !!!
    i was informed of a loophole in the customs and vat stuff
    Loopholes are our friends
    and ill be paying a higher premium for the insured items so the insurance companies should be sweet if 'any unforseen burglary should happen'
    tv license??? i mainly just watch downloaded episodes of trailer park boys you should check it out
  45. avatar The Grace Jones
    Could you pass on details of said loophole to me?
    I've been working in this area for about twelve years and the economy of the country would benefit greatly if I could bypass having to collect duty and vat from our importers.
  46. avatar penthouserehersal
    no
  47. avatar The Grace Jones
    Smartest thing you've said so far. :wink:
  48. avatar robbiehill
    [quote:f16691f5eb="The Grace Jones"][quote:f16691f5eb="Pete"]Actually I believe that the right vintage guitar is a better investment for a quick return.
    [/quote:f16691f5eb]

    Nah, forget guitars altogether, cigarettes are really the highest profit margin where duty/vat evasion is concerned.[/quote:f16691f5eb]

    haha oh yes by 40 grand worth of ciggarettes and sell em to teens for double the price

    genius

    8)
  49. avatar die the flu
    I've just seen this thread. Wow.

    Well, if it all goes tits up you'll have a maximum of 7 years to think up a new scheme :shock:

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