You put it on a credit card, you don't need to take cases and your best bet is to go to the east coast and fly back thru Dublin from probably Newark or Orlando depending where you're going.
Surely if you were spending $80,000 on guitars, which boggles me completely - they'd be in custom aluminium flight cases?
You'd pay extra for the weight of the case at check in and if you [b:0f92d4c1db]have[/b:0f92d4c1db] to declare it, then buy cheaper copies over there, pawn/ebay them via a friend, keep the receipts and be charged the duty on that value instead.
Additionally, it might be advisable not to declare publicly the exact details of your plan to defraud Her Majesty's Customs & Excise, including your possible flight patterns, the goods involved in the fraud, and the amount of money involved in the fraud and your means of moving it, on a public message board.
I'm sorry for ripping the piss. It truly is a Baldrick-esque maneuver though!
no it isnt a wind up and i was under the impression that stringed instruments can be brought on as hand luggage and if we go over as musicians with two slightly beaten up fender strats and return with two more or less identical ones the only difference being ones that say made in usa as apposed to mexico that are 30- 40 yrs older whose to know ??
If you fly them international, they have to be checked or else buy them a seat in coach or cloakroom space in Business Class.
The luggage people go out with and return is often very different so it's not like your items are tagged on a return flight making the whole taking crap guitars with you redundant.
Having said all that tho, I once put a musicman sterling on my back in a gig bag that said "Chuck Levin's Washington" and managed to get it as carry on, even for the lil plane home - of course that was before everything blew up.
i dont mind buying them a seat as i dont want them to leave my sight
the airline will be the same and if we buy a return seat for instruments then i think itll look a little less suspicious
another plan is to buy an old les paul and take it to the jazz club in nyc where he plays and ask him to sign it
It's daring. It's got style. I like it.
Anybody with the clankers to discuss their intention to pull off a £9000-odd tax evasion on an internet forum with 5000-odd registered users and an address on their profile [i:f3291f98e0]deserves[/i:f3291f98e0] to succeed. Good luck and Godspeed!
I think it's awesome and I hope you pull it off (ooer!) f<uk HM customs, they're greedy bastids. In fact, just come home via Germany > Dublin they have so may musicians going back and forth they don't have time, just clear customs where drug smuggling is a problem in Europe; basically land somewhere that bizarre with an Irish passport, hang out for a weekend and then head home.
And here's the legal way to do it. If you keep the guitars in the states after purchase for 3 years, then there's no duty.
So why Strats? I mean I understand if it's a weapon of choice and i'm sure this is some investment of sorts? It's not like you take a 20k axe to a gig right or to noodle with in your bedroom?
40k these days is best put into property, if what you wanna do is make a fat return at the end of the day.
Best of luck.
Hey Pete down there (sorry past my 10 post limit for the first time ever) - quick investment yes, but semi long term (even 5 years) no.
I'll give you ipods and roller-skates!!! well maybe just the roller-skates, that would be comedy.. comedy enuff to actually give you my ipod - everyone wins! hooray!
If so, don't buy pre-CBS strats. Buy Jaguars or Jazzmasters from 59-63 instead - they're steadily rising in value. You could get an all-original custom-colour '62 Jazzmaster for much less than $8,000, and the price will rise pretty quickly.
[quote:bf5dc7bac2="chrisjedijane"]Are you just buying the guitars as an investment?
If so, don't buy pre-CBS strats. Buy Jaguars or Jazzmasters from 59-63 instead - they're steadily rising in value. You could get an all-original custom-colour '62 Jazzmaster for much less than $8,000, and the price will rise pretty quickly.[/quote:bf5dc7bac2]
I can see where you're coming from, but the man has £40,000, and with that amount of money, I know I'd buy pre-CBS and not Jaguars or Jazzmasters, just look out for refinishes! haha
The only hard part is getting the money there, don't use travelers checks, no where takes them anymore and near impossible to get cashed. Fly via Dublin and on return, with said instruments, walk through the nothing to declare gate like a lord, they never bother checking.
[quote:df39be707b="barrypeak"]all strats sound the same whether usa, mexican or squire...
I don't think he's intending on gigging with them to be honest, and if he is he's a silly billy!
But I do agree, you need a humbucker on a strat in my opinion. Or, what a guy I worked with did, put 3 lipstick pickups on it, which I thought was a smart idea.
my thinking is that
ive made a stupid increase on my house that probably wont repeat
the £ is really strong against the $ at the minute
the vintage strat market is growing consistently
i should be able to avoid the whole issue of import tax as several people have informed there are completely legal ways to get around this
if the property market does crash and inflation goes up dramatically and the £ dips , i should still be able to sell my strat as there is always going to be the very rich who can afford expensive toys or sell it back to the us and recieve more £££ and get back on the property ladder in a better position than i started
what shock horror
'man tries to make profit'
i didnt say it was right or wrong and im not a guitar snob
the only fender i play is a mexican tele and my yamaha pacifica 812 will probably sound comparable to the strats i buy at much better value
this has nothing to do at all with the sanitisation of rock
im simply a poor tosser whos hoping to buy some products that in a few years some rich tosser will buy off me at an inflated price to this thread could as easily apply to a royal doulton vase with some lilac pennywinkles on it
No whilst your point is valid it is misguided the high value of strats is not very rock and roll but i didn't create the market or the desire for pre cbs strats infact i suppose you could say that cbs created the market by allowing production standards to drop thus creating the desire for early fenders
nah well im poorish as im mortgaged up to my eyeballs at the minute
and im shit with money this is as much an exercise in preventing me from pissing the dough up the wall
and at least this way i can hide in my cave playing with my instrument you cant do that with an isa!
nah i can be like a geek who gets out his millenium falcon or optimus prime once in a while and maybe let some friends use it for recording but thats where barry probably is right and itd be tricky to hear the difference between a vintage and a decent modern counterpart and your tone will only be4 as good as the weakest part in the chain so if your running it through a pod or a shitty amp thatd make using it more or less redundant
Is insurance not a worry?
If I had £40,000 (well, actually closer to a value of £50,000 once they land in the UK (woohoo!)) worth of guitars sitting around with the intention of re-selling them at some point in the future, I would probably want them insured. But you're not really going to be able to insure them, since you're importing them illegally. Concern?
IF I wanted to invest that kinda money into Fenders I'd be tempted to stay at home and scour classifieds & ebay for 70's Fenders. You could get 25 of the buggers for 40 grand and you wouldn't be involved in smuggling/avoidance of tax & duty!
I'm always amazed at some of the tat that's considered "vintage & collectable" and therefore worthy of high prices. I'm sure 70's Fender's have plenty of investment potential yet.
i was informed of a loophole in the customs and vat stuff
Loopholes are our friends
and ill be paying a higher premium for the insured items so the insurance companies should be sweet if 'any unforseen burglary should happen'
tv license??? i mainly just watch downloaded episodes of trailer park boys you should check it out
Could you pass on details of said loophole to me?
I've been working in this area for about twelve years and the economy of the country would benefit greatly if I could bypass having to collect duty and vat from our importers.