1. avatar Steven Dedalus
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6902576.stm


    It really is just a load of old rubbish, isn't it?

    The Mercury Prize reminds me why I'm fed up with music. Are there seriously any of those bands that have released records that can be accurately hailed as the most important release of the year? Is any of them even capable of comparing to a bad imitation of something like Screamadelica?


    The vote that causes the most ire is New Young Pony Club. Would it be possible if I released a song that got played in an advert that I would end up being nominated for a mercury? is that the way it works now?

    I know it's been rubbish for years, but this one takes the biscuit. (I mean, how many of us have been constantly listening to our 'genius' Antony and the Johnsons album?)

    Sorry, it just gets my goat. And I hate seeing pictures of Alex Turner's face (or 'Aleks' or whatever he's callign himself these days).
  2. avatar chrisjedijane
    another year, another horrible shortlist.

    oh well.
  3. avatar rentaghost
    the mercury people DID see Klaxons on Jonathan Ross, right, RIGHT??

    :roll:
  4. avatar Orzo
    There's really only one deserving winner on there and that's Bat For Lashes.

    The rest are sh*t.
  5. avatar Speed Demon
    [quote:d3df06b6ab="Orzo"]There's really only one deserving winner on there and that's Bat For Lashes.[/quote:d3df06b6ab]BFL was my Glastonbury "discovery". The one-liner in the programme sounded interesting, so I went along and really enjoyed the set.

    I chose not to see the Klaxons, but I saw a bit of their set on TV the other night and it sounded really amateurish. I imagine that anyone who watched them right after CSS on the same stage would not have been impressed.
  6. avatar Desus
    Yeah but you see the Mercury isn't handed out for live performances.
  7. avatar Speed Demon
    [quote:0abebb3794="Desus"]Yeah but you see the Mercury isn't handed out for live performances.[/quote:0abebb3794]Fair point.

    If only we knew what it [u:0abebb3794]was[/u:0abebb3794] for.
  8. avatar Steven Dedalus
    I think they're handed out for appealing to middle class people in their mid to late 40s, who think they are groovy and edgy.

    or at least that's what I heard.
  9. avatar Crackity_jones
    Nice to see The Young Knives there. Bat For Lashes's album is pretty good, as is Favourite Worst Nightmare. Haven't heard the rest, but The View are pretty awful. No Razorlight at least (or was it on last year's?).
  10. avatar comprachio
    How many of these albums have the naysayers actually listened to? Can you say the prize is worthless and none of the contenders worthy without having heard ALL the albums?
  11. avatar kingmob
    Are there any UK and Irish albums released during the past year that should have made the shortlist though?
  12. avatar Desus
    [quote:7bfbbea350="kingmob"]Are there any UK and Irish albums released during the past year that should have made the shortlist though?[/quote:7bfbbea350]


    I've just been trying to think of one......
  13. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:57abca4c5c="comprachio"]How many of these albums have the naysayers actually listened to? Can you say the prize is worthless and none of the contenders worthy without having heard ALL the albums?[/quote:57abca4c5c]

    It's a fair enough point, but can you honestly say that those albums are 'classics'? As far as I'm aware, the Mercury is supposed to be a prize celebrating the most forward looking, interesting, and all-round 'best' album released within acertain peroid (roughly a year).

    now my problem is that no matter which one of those albums you look at, I seriously don't think that any of them will hold up to any scrutiny in the future (once again, see previous winners), and that the mercury seems now to be an indication of what an undervalued and redundant commodity the album is.

    Or to put it another way: if that is the 'best' we've got, why bother anymore?

    (and without wishing to rant too much, it was also supposed to be a sponsorship system to support artists who existedoutside the mainstream. Whatever happened to that angle of things?)


    I'll shut up now.
  14. avatar die the flu
    I haven't listened to any of those albums.

    In fact, I haven't even heard of most of those bands 8)
  15. avatar Iso9
    [quote:760a929849]How many of these albums have the naysayers actually listened to? Can you say the prize is worthless and none of the contenders worthy without having heard ALL the albums?[/quote:760a929849]

    Yep :D
  16. avatar comprachio
    [quote:c2b63fef12]It's a fair enough point, but can you honestly say that those albums are 'classics'? As far as I'm aware, the Mercury is supposed to be a prize celebrating the most forward looking, interesting, and all-round 'best' album released within acertain peroid (roughly a year). [/quote:c2b63fef12]

    The question is not whether they're classics rather than the 'best' album this year. To reiterate what has been said though, what should be there on the list that hasn't made it?

    [quote:c2b63fef12]if that is the 'best' we've got, why bother anymore?[/quote:c2b63fef12]

    You can't blame Mercury for that.
  17. avatar kingmob
    [quote:626278c577]How many of these albums have the naysayers actually listened to? Can you say the prize is worthless and none of the contenders worthy without having heard ALL the albums?[/quote:626278c577]

    Winebar and Dizzee Rascal aside, it is a very very poor shortlist. If you want it qualified then sure, everything I've heard [i:626278c577]so far[/i:626278c577] from those guys is terrible. Apart from Bat For Lashes - she's just not my kind of thing rather than utter ballix.

    But I thought last year largely sucked for music. The only bands that should qualify for a Mercury that weren't on the shortlist this year are The Long Blondes and Mogwai. And both of their albums were 'quite good' rather than amazing. But despite this being 'the greatest time for music in the history of history' (TM the NME), the Yanks are beating the Brits hands down in the quality of stuff they are releasing.

    The Mercury has largely been balls though. Roni Size anyone?
  18. avatar comprachio
    [quote:dad293f09b] If you want it qualified then sure, everything I've heard so far from those guys is terrible.[/quote:dad293f09b]

    That's like judgin a movie on the fight scene tho.

    There are plenty of albums that I adore that slipped under my radar initially cos the singles didn't appeal.
  19. avatar kingmob
    Yeah and writing about architecture is like pogo-sticking about opera :P

    That's really not true. I'll admit that some stuff does take its time to grow on you. But you can pretty much work out from a song whether you will like someone or not.

    Interested to hear your examples of where you came back to someone after disliking the singles though.
  20. avatar T Entertainment
    That Amy Winehouse album is f*cking shockingly dire and about as 'real' as Simply f*cking Red, for a start.

    The Klaxons are a Nathan Barley sponsored, NME node sp*nkfest, no more, no less.
  21. avatar Orzo
    [quote:4424eb4b1f="kingmob"]Are there any UK and Irish albums released during the past year that should have made the shortlist though?[/quote:4424eb4b1f]

    Looking through my 2007 albums in work (so I'm sure there's plenty more if I was posting at home), the following could have been options:

    Electrelane - No Shouts, No Calls
    Kathy Diamond – Miss Diamond To You
    Enter Shikari - Take To The Skies
    Lucky Soul - The Great Unwanted
    The Clientele - God Save The Clientele
    The Orchids - Good To Be A Stranger
    The Twilight Sad - Fourteen Autumns & Fifteen Winters
    Patrick Wolf - The Magic Position

    All good/great albums from UK musicians.

    Edit: And if we're going back to mid-2006 there's bound to be a lot more.
  22. avatar Crackity_jones
    Flicking through my iPod as a reminder, I'd like to have seen the Brakes, Oppenheimer, Fujiya & Miyagi, Art Brut and Chrome Hoof in there if they fall within the dates. I'm not sure British or Irish music is in that rude health at the minute though, most of what I listen to seems to come from North America or continental Europe.
  23. avatar rentaghost
    I keep forgetting that this is a competition you have to ENTER, rather than an open selection.

    i wonder how many albums were actually entered for it, judging by that shortlist.
  24. avatar ShowYourBones
    I was surprised not to see Patrick Wolf in there. A few more that should have made the cut (imo):

    The Aliens - Astronomy For Dogs
    Camera Obscura - Lets Get Out Of This Country
    The Bees - Octopus
    Fields - Everything Last Winter

    For me it has to be Bat For Lashes.
  25. avatar the*optimist
    The Klaxons are well Jackson!

    That is a poor shortlist, surely Fionn Reagn is bound to be the winner? He's just edgy enough and he doesn't sell anywhere near as many records as the Artic monkeys and Winehouse plus it's a decent album as well
  26. avatar rigsyATL
    [quote:6cbb429caf]The Klaxons are a Nathan Barley sponsored, NME node sp*nkfest, no more, no less. [/quote:6cbb429caf]

    that's the kind of lazy, predictable quote the NME would be proud of ;-)

    to a lot of people, young & styley people mostly, the klaxons are very important because they're an interesting concept and some of their singles we're really good, if you actually get over the hype and listen to them.

    not saying they deserve to win, i think jamie T should get it, definitely the freshest sounding record on the list.
  27. avatar T Entertainment
    They're not very important to these eyes and ears but I'm about as far from young and styley as one can get...
    I know the Emperor is stark bollock naked when I see him prancing down the main street without a stitch on tho.
  28. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:039f19334d="rigsyATL"]i think jamie T should get it, definitely the freshest sounding record on the list.[/quote:039f19334d]
    I just don't get Jamie T, he gets alot more recognition than Patrick Wolf and for the life of me I cant see why. He is a bit whiney. But each to their own.
  29. avatar feline1
    I haven't heard any of the bands' records,
    but Tash from Bat for Lashes is of course housemates with Sarah Pain, and has even brought me a cup of tea in her dressing gown once, so on that basis alone I say she should win a prize.
  30. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:1285459e02="T Entertainment"]They're not very important to these eyes and ears but I'm about as far from young and styley as one can get...
    I know the Emperor is stark bollock naked when I see him prancing down the main street without a stitch on tho.[/quote:1285459e02]

    I think this just about sums up the way I feel about all this. I'm sure these bands mean something to people at the minute, but just wait til the next thing comes along......
  31. avatar Desus
    The Klaxons album is really good and fully deserves to be on that list, I thnk its fresh, its got great singles and its a little different to whats out there.


    I also think Jamie T will nick it. Its an album I've found myself going back to throughout the year.
  32. avatar 3cigarettes
    Geek pie, SugaRAPE, well bum. These nominations are top chinese. Catch ya on the trout gout!
  33. avatar T Entertainment
    That's well weapon, m'nigga - I'm only sorry for you The Answer weren't nominated :p
  34. avatar chrisjedijane
    [quote:b54de5188b="rigsyATL"]
    to a lot of people, young & styley people mostly, the klaxons are very important because they're an interesting concept and some of their singles we're really good, if you actually get over the hype and listen to them.
    [/quote:b54de5188b]

    I tried to do this, and I bought the album when it came out. Aside from the alright "from atlantis to interzone", it's a terrible album.
  35. avatar rentaghost
    I can verify that (curly) Chris is both young AND styley.
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  36. avatar rigsyATL
    most of our collective favourite bands were probably deemed the emperors new clothes by someone, at some point.
  37. avatar T Entertainment
    Quite possibly. However, there is also the possibility that when loads of people call a band sh*te, they might just be, well, sh*te. :-D

    When was the last time a hard rock or metal album was shortlisted for the Mercurys? Are we really to believe that those genres haven't produced anything more worthy than any of the acts in that top ten in the past year? Because that's unmitigated b*lls.
  38. avatar 3cigarettes
    This sort of shortlist looks more like an exhibition in who's got the best PR company behind them rather than real musical quality.
  39. avatar T Entertainment
    In answer to my question, The Darkness were nominated in 2003. [i:545e611ffe]The Darkness[/i:545e611ffe] - the closest it's come.
    The list of amazing, innovative and big selling albums from the hard rock / metal genre that there has been in the past 5 years which has been ignored in favour of (for instance) Joss Stone, The Thrills, Amy Winehouse and Anthony and the Johnstons is shocking, but not surprising.
  40. avatar Mickeycolensoparade
    the Pro Evo music should've been nominated
  41. avatar I'mDead
    At least The Darkness are proof that even being nominated can benefit your career in the long term.


    Oh, wait..
  42. avatar rentaghost
    I hope Natasha Khan wins.
  43. avatar The Ronster
    I'm struggling to think of decent hard or heavy rock from the UK in the last few years. Certainly can't think of anything that would win a prize.

    Biffy Clyro?
  44. avatar kingmob
    Fightstar.
  45. avatar whipchorus
    [quote:b1a81492e2="kingmob"]
    the Yanks are beating the Brits hands down in the quality of stuff they are releasing.
    [/quote:b1a81492e2]

    And have done for many, many years IMO. Obviously both sides of the Atlantic have their strengths but for sheer volume of quality and originality (especially for your guitar alt/indie) the Yanks are miles ahead.
  46. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    i hope no-one wins - seems like a new low. oh and hot fuzz should have one last time for their performance on the show alone!
  47. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    The Klaxons are as appealing as Aids in Africa.

    When I first heard 'Altantis to Interzone', the first 30 seconds sounded like the b@stard offspring of the KLF, but it went downhill so quickly. All haircuts, no bloody tunes. Just perfect for all the Barley/Hoxton cnuts.


    If there's any justice, Dizzee Rascal should get it, but I doubt it. Corker of an album.
  48. avatar Defcon speaks
    Well its Dizzee Rascal's second nomination isn't it and he won it the first time, so just exactly what he is doing asmongst the nominees is beyond me. Ditto Arctic Monkeys.


    I agree with a lot of what has been said elsewhere on this forum, in my eyes the Mercury Prize is now just as meaningless as the NME awards, or even - sweet Jesus! -the BRITS.

    It was originally supposed to champion the most talented artists on the margins of the mainstream, who had produced a quality album that in most cases wasn't getting the exposure it deserved.

    With this in mind the decision to nominate Arctic Monkeys and Amy Winehouse is frankly ludicrous.


    And as for The View.... OH. MY. GOD.


    They make Dodgy look like The Velvet Underground.


    I'm sick to the back teeth of mediocre indie schmindie bolloxxxXX being rammed down our throats by every TV channel, radio station, DJ, man, woman, child and beast in the land. THe only idea in music journalist's/ label manager's heads these days seems to be to relentlessly push as much indie guitar fluff as possible down the wire in the vain hope that they can somehow kickstart something akin to mid-90s Britpop nostalgia.


    They're flogging a dead horse.


    I'm not going to bemoan plummetting album sales when the best they can come up with is The f*cking Fratellis.


    Quality independent music and the vinyl revival should go hand in hand, its the way forward I tells ye!



    http://www.myspace.com/beatsbydefcon
  49. avatar bonanza
    My first post!
    The Crimea's new album should be on this list - Secrets of the Witching Hour. Yet again another beautiful record from this criminally underrated band. If you don't have it go get it - they are giving it away FREE on their site - just download and you won't regret it.

    Oh and I Really wanted Guillemots to win it last year but maybe it's a blessing in disguise they didn't.
  50. avatar Crackity_jones
    Can a mod delete this please?
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  51. avatar Zwaddap_deep_doo
    A bit sad I wasn't nominated. I mean I didn't enter or anything, but still.
  52. avatar Crackity_jones
    And this, sorry...
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  53. avatar Crackity_jones
    [quote:18ce0e4b69="Defcon speaks"]babble[/quote:18ce0e4b69]

    Ha, alright Conjob? I massively disagree with your first sentence - since when did nominations for previous albums invalidate artists?? The quality of these albums isn't the point (haven't heard Dizzee's, quite like the AM one), just cos they've been up before doesn't mean they shouldn't be nominated again for their new albums.

    It's also a myth that the Mercurys were ever a bastion of good taste. Go on [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_music_prize]Wikipedia[/url] and look at the previous years' noms. Every one is at least 40% ballix. M People won it ffs!!![/quote]
  54. avatar bonanza
    yeah and didn't M People win against Blur's Parklife!?? that says it all.

    again people - dowload The Crimea album it's flippin FREE and BRILLIANT!

    www.thecrimea.net

    :o)
  55. avatar Defcon speaks
    Crackity_jones wrote:

    I am a convicted sex offender.




    Well, well, well, look who it is!


    Listen Jones, I'll see your "massive" disagreement (with what I said) and I'll raise you my gigantic beef (with what you said).


    First off, M People have been one of the truly great bands of our times. For penning 'One night in Heaven' alone, I believe Heather Small has more than earned her place in the pantheon of great British songwriters, and that is not to mention the countless other life-affirming anthems she has belted out over the years. Chris, if you could only "search inside yourself", if you could only "search for the HERO inside" you too could maybe find it in you heart to embrace the M people ethos of care-free living in the face of great adversity, and with it, commit to being a better man and a more worthwhile member of the human race.


    Secondly - given the small selection of nominees in contention each year and the fact that there is only ONE prize on offer, surely there is every reason to suggest that you can only win it once??

    Otherwise we could have a Roger Federer-esque situation, with the 'Monkeys, or some other rabel-rousing bunch of Northerner scumbackstard do-no-goods, trouncing their competitors year after year, rendering the whole competition as irrelevant and insignificant as a solitary chuff cast upon the warm breeze of a summer's day.


    Thirdly - it is with great sadness that I am forced to reluctantly agree with you upon your point that "the Mercury's were never a bastion for good taste".* Excepting the aforementioned, peerlessly talented M people, much of the music produced by previous year's contenders stinks worse than a large pile of particularly stinky blue cheese covered in a Frenchman's pooh:

    Athlete, Robbie Williams, Mark Morrison...

    (Mark Morrison???
    "Return of the Mac, THERE IT IS!!!
    Return of the Mac - OH MY GAWD!!!")


    However, I would maintain that the standard has slipped steadily year upon year.

    A final point for your consideration - an artist like Roni Size will NEVER win it again. FACT.


    Regards,


    Connor/ DeFFFFFcoNN


    * May this be the last time that we ever agree upon anything, music-related or otherwise.
  56. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:6521a6ac2b="Crackity_jones"]
    Excepting the aforementioned, peerlessly talented M people, much of the music produced by previous year's contenders stinks worse than a large pile of particularly stinky blue cheese covered in a Frenchman's pooh[/quote:6521a6ac2b]

    Portishead
    Radiohead
    M.I.A
    Belle and Sebastian
    The Bees
    David Bowie
    Doves
    PJ Harvey
    Elbow
    Super Furry Animals
    Leftfield
    Beth Orton
    Blur
    Massive Attack
    Primal Scream
    Tricky
    New Order
    The Jesus and Mary Chain

    :shock:
  57. avatar Defcon speaks
    Robbie WIlliams
    Athlete
    Mark Morrison
    Robbie Williams
    Athlete
    RETURN OF THE MACK,
    Robbie WIlliams
    Athlete
    THERE IT IS!!
    Robbie Williams
    Athlete
    RETURN OPF THE MACK,
    Robbie WIlliams
    Athlete
    OH MY GAWD!!

    :shock:
  58. avatar Stevie Mac
    Ah, the predictable Mercury rants roll out once more like clockwork. Despite a number of iffy nominations in the past, I still have some respect for this award being as it is judged by a select panel of experts based solely on the quality of the albums involved and not sales or how many scene points they have, as opposed to those voted for by the industry (who are mainly trying to shift product) or the general public (who know jack shit)

    Those going on about glaring ommisions have to remember that this is something you have to enter, rather than be automatically eligible, and if a band isn't included then they/their label may have decided not to enter for whatever reason.

    I disagree that the quality of the shortlists has been declining, last year's was pretty damn good.

    This has been the return of the mac (once again).
  59. avatar the*optimist
    If you compare last years Shortlist Prize (American equivalent of the Mercury) nominees with this years mercury it's sad times

    Shortlist;
    Band of Horses, Beirut, Bonnie Prince Billy, Cat Power, Girl Talk, Hot Chip, Joanna Newsom, Regina Spektor, Spank Rock and Tom Waits.


    Polaris (Canadian);Inckudes
    Arcade Fire, The Besnard Lakes,The Dears,Julie Doiron, Feist and Junior Boys

    The Feist and Arcade Fire albums kick the shite out of all of the Mercury and I wouldn't be surprised if the ones I havent heard are incredible as well!


    North American bands are kicking English ars, i reckon it's because they don't have the NME making and breaking bands! Lucky Bastards
  60. avatar Defcon speaks
    I totally agree, check out the PLUG awards aswell. (Obviously) can't be arsed typing out nominees/ winners etc. but needless to say they are pretty spiffing compared to "the Mercury's".

    Grizzly bear, J dilla, Band of Horses, Girl Talk, Beirut.


    THese acts would never get a look in in the UK.


    Although I'd say NME's ship has long since sailed, these days they only really make and break bands for people under 16 years of age.

    And Stevie Mac brings the total number of people I know from these boards to 2 - Word Steve!!! Barcelona eh??
  61. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:25f5b3f3bb="the*optimist"]If you compare last years Shortlist Prize (American equivalent of the Mercury) nominees with this years mercury it's sad times

    Shortlist;
    Band of Horses, Beirut, Bonnie Prince Billy, Cat Power, Girl Talk, Hot Chip, Joanna Newsom, Regina Spektor, Spank Rock and Tom Waits.
    [/quote:25f5b3f3bb]
    Following the Mercury nominations I looked at that list and thought the exact same. I havent heard the Tom Waits or Girl Talk albums but the rest are splendid especially Band of Horses, Beirut and Joanna Newsom.
  62. avatar Stevie Mac
    Still feelin the effects man.

    Band Of Horses are the biz. I'm not familiar with all of the nominees but those PLUG awards look right on the money.
  63. avatar the*optimist
    [quote:03a791ec25="Defcon speaks"]

    Although I'd say NME's ship has long since sailed, these days they only really make and break bands for people under 16 years of age.
    [/quote:03a791ec25]

    I wouldn't say that at all, they are still a force... however all they are looking for is another punk era and they sound much like the people in the other thread here with the old "Rock'n'roll is dead".

    They are looking to manufacture an new era into the public whereas the previous eras where made by the people not by the magazines. Thus they don't give a band without an image that fits their new craze a chance and thats why we have this awful Nu Rave scene, there has always got to be a scene, bands can't just blossom and thus we don't have very many odd characters who write cracking music being nominated or being exposed to the public like they deserve.

    Why the fuck was Duke Special not nominated? Ey?

    Do you reckon Jo Newsom would have made it to her second album had she based in the U.K?
  64. avatar Desus
    I don't exactly see what people find so bad about this New Rave scene??

    Think I'd rather be an 18 year old kid, going out seeing loads of bands throw a party and dance all night as opposed to some miserable shit sitting online bitching about how his favourite singer songwriter wasn't nominated for an award.
  65. avatar thesacredhearts
    Dance music was the last real movement in music. And that was nearly 20 years ago (arguably more). Its not just about rock n roll. Its myopic to think that it'll be rock n'roll and not latvian goat herding music that'll be big next.


    Are the PLUG awards the same ones that Beck and Wayne Coyne judged a few years ago? Always thought they were the only awards i really identified with.


    Anyway, again, why do people really care about the awards? Award things merit in your own head. Its the way i like to think most people gain their personal taste.
  66. avatar the*optimist
    [quote:649b66c080="Desus"]I don't exactly see what people find so bad about this New Rave scene??

    Think I'd rather be an 18 year old kid, going out seeing loads of bands throw a party and dance all night as opposed to some miserable <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' /> sitting online bitching about how his favourite singer songwriter wasn't nominated for an award.[/quote:649b66c080]

    oi that was a bit harsh!

    Anyways the nu-rave scene is made up by the nme, which is my point that there are two bands which have been championed by the magazine and are nominated where as their are better albums but in differnt genres which weren't championed and werent nominated. So clearly that isn't good for music if better artists aren't nominated because they aren't trendy and don't fit the scene which this magazine says is essential.
  67. avatar thesacredhearts
    define "better"?
  68. avatar the*optimist
    better1 adj (comparative of good) 1 more excellent, suitable or desirable, etc. 2 (usually better at something) more successful, skilful, etc in doing it.

    All I am trying to get across is that there is better talent that wasn't recognised. Where as it is being recognised in other countries.
  69. avatar the monster mash
    What a load of shite about new rave.. "kids" into dance music arent listenin to the fucking Klaxons! a shit band followed by fashion victims more interested in haircuts than music they'll be unknown in 2 years.
  70. avatar 3cigarettes
    Seriously, some of the replies in this thread are embarrasing. Dance was the last movement in music? Maybe if you're an ignorant mainstream moron. (That's not a dig at dance, just at the idiocy of the statement in question).

    As for whether the Klaxons are more entertaining than reading the rantings of a man with a degree of taste, well that's a subjective point of view. Frankly I'd rather eat my own willix than listen to the Klaxons, despite what ATL are forced/idiotically dutybound to say. (I'm looking at you Rigsy)

    There are movements happening all over the world, at all times, just because you're a stupid pleb who can't be arsed to expand their tastes beyond whatever tripe NME or Q are whoring out in any given week doesn't mean Rock'n'roll is dead, all it means is that you're an out of touch lazy bastard.

    Sorry to burst the bubble, but now is an incredibly healthy time for music, with the advent of myspace and international listening stations, music has rarely been more vibrant. This excludes the stale dirge that is British popular media driven cack, but that's more Britain's fault than Rock'n'roll's.

    Christ you people talk a lot of absolutely unforgiveable shíte.
  71. avatar thesacredhearts
    All that is said here is entirely subjective you loon! :P Hence why i'm saying "define better". You can't define it, by its essence it is subjective, and in the opinions of the judges these were their best albums of the year.

    To assume that the likes of acid techno is "mainstream" is a pretty mainstream rock fans way of looking at electronic music.

    In my opinion (marvelous things these opinions) there hasn't been any quantum leap stylistically or in terms of innovation in guitar based music since punk. By that rational the last movement in "popular" music was house/techno et al.

    It boils down to what is a main stay on fastfude, a contrary opinion is wrong, not different.

    (and im using dance music in the loosest sense of the term. its as vague as calling everything "rock")
  72. avatar thesacredhearts
    I also love the way people get caught up in the whole style thing. Both those caught up in the style, and those caught up in despising the perceived "stylish". Irony.
  73. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote="3cigarettes"]

    Sorry to burst the bubble, but now is an incredibly healthy time for music, with the advent of myspace and international listening stations, music has rarely been more vibrant. This excludes the stale dirge that is British popular media driven cack, but that's more Britain's fault than Rock'n'roll's.
    quote]

    I agree with you, but sometimes it's hard to see the wood for the trees. A lot of the best music I've heard this year has come from random peeps on myspace. Conversely, very little 'mainstream' music (and by that I mean stuff that can be bought in the shops, regardless of genre) has floated my boat at all.

    I think it's just a symptom of total overload - too many bands, not enough quality control, coupled with the fact that people's listening habits are changing. It could be that albums are becoming more and more redundant.

    There are movements happening all the time, it's just that they don't happen in the way they used to, and we have trouble understanding them. As a person of a certain age, I feel left behind, and tend to complain that it was 'better in the old days' (even though I'm too young to have been around in the 'old days'), but the fact of the matter is that music is evolving faster than people like me can get a handle on, and - bringing it back to the point - an event like the Mercurys is proof to someone like me that the old way is about to change. It just seems redundant and old, and has no bearing on what's actually happening. At the moment, the word 'obscure' need not even exist, becuase EVERYONE can find out anything they want to in a matter of minutes (it's called wikipedia...), and the Mercury's just makes me feel old and quaint. Imagine, a competition judging 'albums', awww bless!

    Sorry, I really will be quiet now.
  74. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:259d3a3607="thesacredhearts"]In my opinion (marvelous things these opinions) there hasn't been any quantum leap stylistically or in terms of innovation in guitar based music since punk.[/quote:259d3a3607]

    I'd suggest that the post-rock mix of classical arrangements with guitars was a fairly large step stylistically. Of course its all gone to the lowest common demoninator quiet/loud/quiet/loud form (of which I am guilty off as well) now, but alternatively that could be attributed to the "post-rock" term being too widely applied.

    Oh yeah, and the klaxons suck, but thats only cos I'm jumping on the anti-klaxon bandwagon cos its cool.
  75. avatar thesacredhearts
    Thats more of a combination of two distinct styles than one one unique one by itself though. Eno was playing with soundscapes while metallers were turning things up loud. And surely mirroring another genre isn't really a style.

    Its a great dynamic at times though.
  76. avatar my-angel-rocks
    I'm talking less about the quiet/loud/quiet dynamic (mogwai/mono /explosions in the sky et al.) and more about the form that godspeed/ascent of everest/sparrows swarm and sing do. That is, to me, less soundscape and more taking classical music ways of arranging music and adding rock techniques to it.

    Innovation is surely about taking two disparate things and forming something new from them, building on both of them? After all, it could be argued that punk was just building on what had gone before as well, blending it with the feelings of the times.
  77. avatar thesacredhearts
    True about punk. It is essentially 60's garage. But in terms of classical, doesn't rock music already largely lift from the likes of baroque ie trills etc Weren't the Beatles doing that in the 60's?

    For me innovation is either some kind break away from the establishment or something completely new that doesn't have to be defined by what has come before it.

    Alex James from Blur, of all people, is now a presenter on Radio4 with a show about how classical music has effected popular song. Sounds quite interesting.

    But i digress, awards... pointless. Why do people get so caught up in wanting things to be recognized as "great"? The same people who turn away from a group when they get mainstream recognition?

    Honestly, i couldnt give a monkeys, and im surprised so many do.
  78. avatar the dirty weed
    will oldham on post-rock: "godspeed you black emperor is steve reich for slow-learners".

    i'm surprised the pricks at the mercury didn't try and make themselves seem edgy to the coffee-table crew by putting some dubstep in there :wink:
  79. avatar rigsyATL
    [quote:7b79993875]Frankly I'd rather eat my own willix than listen to the Klaxons, despite what ATL are forced/idiotically dutybound to say. (I'm looking at you Rigsy) [/quote:7b79993875]

    that barely warrants a reply it's so ridiculous, but i should point out if you read my post about the klaxons i wasn't exactly raving about them, i was pointing out their an important band for a lot of people.

    their dismissal by people on this board just because they've had NME covers and have daft hair is very short sighted. and it's also a bit boring, i think anyway. boring and predictable.

    and i do like some of their stuff and the reaction it gets when played out. the accusation i'm only saying that because of my job is completely laughable, but whatever.
  80. avatar goatboy
    I don't mind the Klaxons at all.

    The singles have all been decent apart from that God awful cover.
  81. avatar rigsyATL
    i honestly think people who hark on about the evils of the NME, their coverage of the klaxons and nu-rave hype etc etc are behaving more like sheep than genuine followers of the genre and the fashion that goes with it.
  82. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    I wouldn't buy the NME. Not for any of the reasons being discussed here. I don't buy it because it's like a big magazine of adverts with hardly any content.
  83. avatar rigsyATL
    there are far too many adverts, definitely. the majority are for gigs and tours which i don't mind so much cause i like seeing what bands are on the road (and not playing belfast!) and what size venues they're in.

    not standing up for the NME here either, just don't get why people seem so keen to blame teh apparant demise of modern music on one rag
  84. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:4e8dbd030e="rigsyATL"]i honestly think people who hark on about the evils of the NME, their coverage of the klaxons and nu-rave hype etc etc are behaving more like sheep than genuine followers of the genre and the fashion that goes with it.[/quote:4e8dbd030e]

    Yes, thats why I dislike the NME.
    Because its cool to do so.
    That is a winning argument there rigsy, one you use over and over again...
  85. avatar remedy malahide
    [quote:1b8e21a87b="rigsyATL"]
    not standing up for the NME here either, just don't get why people seem so keen to blame teh apparant demise of modern music on one rag[/quote:1b8e21a87b]

    I don't think anyone is blaming NME explicitly for the apparent demise of modern music, it just seems to be a buzz word to throw into angry hate phrases about 'modern music'. I'll not stand up for NME either because I've never owned a copy, and never will with good reason.
    The 'modern music' that tries to present itself to me via TV ads, magazine ads, "music" forums etc. seems to leave a crappy aftertaste, and makes me angry. As opposed to complain about it to everyone (my wife excluded) I smoke up a fatty and search out bands that I want to hear, think I want to hear or bands that I should have actually listened to a long time ago, that way I'm constantly surprised and impressed by music in general. If I want to hear music I'll actively go out and hear it, or use the wonderous resource that is the net, with such archival sites as myspace and download.com

    No need for persistent complaint.
  86. avatar rigsyATL
    [quote:ae8a80d10a]As opposed to complain about it to everyone (my wife excluded) I smoke up a fatty and search out bands that I want to hear, think I want to hear or bands that I should have actually listened to a long time ago, that way I'm constantly surprised and impressed by music in general[/quote:ae8a80d10a]

    that's the best attitude imo.

    apologies for making the same point over and over again. loud music has frazzled my brain, i'm getting very forgetful in my old age.

    and no real disrespect intended my-angel-rocks.
    read my post again - it wasn't directed towards people who dislike the NME at all, i (usually) understand the reasons they don't like/read it.
    it was towards people who constantly go on about it.

    tho then again, clearly i go on about the same things too :wink:
  87. avatar captain a
    so do they pump mercury down the winners throat?? that's be a good show.
  88. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:b8574fd505="rigsyATL"]there are far too many adverts, definitely. the majority are for gigs and tours which i don't mind so much cause i like seeing what bands are on the road (and not playing belfast!) and what size venues they're in.

    not standing up for the NME here either, just don't get why people seem so keen to blame teh apparant demise of modern music on one rag[/quote:b8574fd505]

    The Metal Community pretty much do the same thing with Kerrang and Metal Hammer. Only terrorizer is TROOO.
    I completely agree with you btw. It gets really boring.
  89. avatar King Canute
    the thing about the NME is that all the bands they cover are by and large artistically without any merit whatsoever being as the people in the bands are (in all cases) intellectual minnows who have precisely nothing of any consequence to say.
    I mean come on, if your band name or songs have anything to do computer games surely that is proof that your band and music are completely worthless. There is no doubt about this.
  90. avatar Iso9
    i dunno what i'd do with myself if i couldn't listen to rigsy's words of musical wisdom.
  91. avatar rigsyATL
    thought you'd be above sarcasm, how dissapointing!
    it's an opinion dude, as part of an interesting debate on a message board.
    you don't have to listen :-D
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  93. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:8d41f86d16="rigsyATL"]you don't have to listen :-D[/quote:8d41f86d16]

    Thats how I feel about your radio show too.

    [quote:8d41f86d16]will oldham on post-rock: "godspeed you black emperor is steve reich for slow-learners".[/quote:8d41f86d16]

    I don't think Godspeed would argue with that, given that one of their pieces was entitled "Steve Reich". It was the 3rd movement of their John Peel session in 1999.
  94. avatar 3cigarettes
    Arctic Monkeys - The official final flogging of the "bit that anyone with an ear that is retarded likes" end of the Britpop horse.

    Winehouse - Embarrasingly poor ripoff of Aretha Franklin.

    Bats for lashes - Not even worth a pithy comment.

    Klaxons - Official darling shills of all music hacks who are wildly out of their depth on every music station/tv show/web forum in the land.

    Fionn Regan - The musical equivalent of the word "neutral", or the colour beige. No doubt a big favourite of 30 year olds who at one point liked the television show "Cold Feet" or relaxing baths with overly expensive candles burning that do nothing but contribute to Climate change.

    Jamie T - Bandwagon jumper on the "sing in a colloquial Slightly south of the midlands and/or London" voice. A man with a perfunctory degree of groove, but immediately nullified by how much of a trend following opportunist he is. (ie. not john lennon, no matter how "widely tipped to be the next superstar" the status quo may have you believe - if you're an absolute moron - which they hope you are - and which, incidently, you probably are.)[b:452f11c163]*[/b:452f11c163]

    The View - Libertines/Clash ripoff except without the (questionable) talent or innovation.

    The young knives - The what? The "Young knives"? Fúck off. Tuneless idiots.

    New Young Pony Club - Makers of the type of music played in the Limelight that no one dances to because it's shít. Another stupid band name.

    Basquiat Strings - Wow, how edgy and subversive the Mercury music awards is to choose in its nomination a band no one has heard of (for good reason).

    Maps - Air/Kid A ripoff.

    Dizzee Rascal - The only vaguely innovative one here, and he's already won it, so hardly worthy of another fúcking nomination.

    Until these hacks, be it locally, nationally or internationally, realise that treating the public like fúcking idiots isn't acceptable we will continue to get this lowest common denominator tripe. It won't change by magic.

    They may as well have just awarded it to Westlife.




    [b:452f11c163]*[/b:452f11c163] Also an excuse for Mercury to continue shilling the charade that "we still represent the small guys!"

    (aye right :smt043 :smt120 )

    And no, before you bother to answer, it's not a pre-requisite of criticism to be able to make better music, just like you don't need to be better at murdering Iraqi's to criticise illegal wars, asshat, so let's not even go down that idiotic route, it's embarrasing to read.)

    And if that didn't float your boat, here's something a little more "you".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1ju6GoCsY
  95. avatar remedy malahide
    [quote:a6bc65561d="3cigarettes"]Arctic Monkeys - The official final flogging of the "bit that anyone with an ear that is retarded likes" end of the Britpop horse.

    Winehouse - Embarrasingly poor ripoff of Aretha Franklin.

    Bats for lashes - Not even worth a pithy comment.

    Klaxons - Official darling shills of all music hacks who are wildly out of their depth on every music station/tv show/web forum in the land.

    Fionn Regan - The musical equivalent of the word "neutral", or the colour beige. No doubt a big favourite of 30 year olds who at one point liked the television show "Cold Feet" or relaxing baths with overly expensive candles burning that do nothing but contribute to Climate change.

    Jamie T - Bandwagon jumper on the "sing in a colloquial Slightly south of the midlands and/or London" voice. A man with a perfunctory degree of groove, but immediately nullified by how much of a trend following opportunist he is. (ie. not john lennon, no matter how "widely tipped to be the next superstar" the status quo may have you believe - if you're an absolute moron - which they hope you are - and which, incidently, you probably are.)[b:a6bc65561d]*[/b:a6bc65561d]

    The View - Libertines/Clash ripoff except without the (questionable) talent or innovation.

    The young knives - The what? The "Young knives"? Fúck off. Tuneless idiots.

    New Young Pony Club - Makers of the type of music played in the Limelight that no one dances to because it's shít. Another stupid band name.

    Basquiat Strings - Wow, how edgy and subversive the Mercury music awards is to choose in its nomination a band no one has heard of (for good reason).

    Maps - Air/Kid A ripoff.

    Dizzee Rascal - The only vaguely innovative one here, and he's already won it, so hardly worthy of another fúcking nomination.

    Until these hacks, be it locally, nationally or internationally, realise that treating the public like fúcking idiots isn't acceptable we will continue to get this lowest common denominator tripe. It won't change by magic.

    They may as well have just awarded it to Westlife.




    [b:a6bc65561d]*[/b:a6bc65561d] Also an excuse for Mercury to continue shilling the charade that "we still represent the small guys!"

    (aye right :smt043 :smt120 )

    And no, before you bother to answer, it's not a pre-requisite of criticism to be able to make better music, just like you don't need to be better at murdering Iraqi's to criticise illegal wars, asshat, so let's not even go down that idiotic route, it's embarrasing to read.)

    And if that didn't float your boat, here's something a little more "you".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1ju6GoCsY[/quote:a6bc65561d]

    Thumbs up good sir! I concur! :lol: Music is alive in the sound of music!!
  96. avatar rentaghost
    Anyway - with the aim of being young, fresh and styley I went and bought myself some fluorescent orange earrings and a bracelet to wear at Bop Yestrum on Saturday night.

    I was deeply disappointed to find that they didn't light up under UV lighting, and shall be visiting Claires Accessories today to demand my money back.
  97. avatar remedy malahide
    [quote:15fc1b8b29="rentaghost"]Anyway - with the aim of being young, fresh and styley I went and bought myself some fluorescent orange earrings and a bracelet to wear at Bop Yestrum on Saturday night.

    I was deeply disappointed to find that they didn't light up under UV lighting, and shall be visiting Claires Accessories today to demand my money back.[/quote:15fc1b8b29]

    Use force...its the 'pop' thing to do, and snort coke before you go...its the 'pop' thing to do.
  98. avatar rentaghost
    word.
  99. avatar Iso9
    bravo 3cigarettes :lol:
  100. avatar ShowYourBones
    [quote:94a832b849="3cigarettes"]Bats for lashes - Not even worth a pithy comment.
    [/quote:94a832b849]
    And why not? Surely if you took time out to complain about each of the rest of the acts by using the same comparisons Ive seen on this board before then please honour Bat for Lashes with an equally clever comment.
  101. avatar Tele
    [quote:62c915b656="the dirty weed"]will oldham on post-rock: "godspeed you black emperor is steve reich for slow-learners".

    i'm surprised the pricks at the mercury didn't try and make themselves seem edgy to the coffee-table crew by putting some dubstep in there :wink:[/quote:62c915b656]

    He's clearly a cunt.
  102. avatar Steven Dedalus
    [quote:025085627e="ShowYourBones"][quote:025085627e="3cigarettes"]Bats for lashes - Not even worth a pithy comment.
    [/quote:025085627e]
    And why not? Surely if you took time out to complain about each of the rest of the acts by using the same comparisons Ive seen on this board before then please honour Bat for Lashes with an equally clever comment.[/quote:025085627e]

    Surely that's because they're fairly accurate observations?
  103. avatar David McLaughlin
    One man's 'accurate observations' are another man's highly subjective rants.

    Seems like 3cigarettes needs a big hug, 'tis an awful lot of hate to be carrying around.
  104. avatar 3cigarettes
    Didn't you watch the video about condom boots David?
  105. avatar David McLaughlin
    You've lost me there.
  106. avatar rigsyATL
    what bands would you nominate if you were in charge 3cigarettes? if you think every act on the list is total garbage, which seems to be the case, who would you have? not having a go or trying to start an endless debate, i'm just curious.

    i think they've missed a couple of very interesting albums meself, but the mercurys is such a vague concept it's hardly worth paying attention to, unless you're one of the acts nominated in which case you should milk it for all its worth.

    if it's supposed to be about interesting, fresh sounding albums, the americans defo win hands down with the likes of LCD soundsystem, cold war kids, battles, !!!, even kings of leon etc all releasing pretty interesting albums this year, they'd make a better list for sure
  107. avatar 3cigarettes
    I wouldn't nominate any bands because music awards ceremony's are, by their very nature, pointless.

    Instead, I'd just spend the money that would have been spent on publicising and holding the event on putting on a couple of awesome concerts by better American bands probably (that or coke and hookers).
  108. avatar nodancing
    [quote:f5fd5bd905]I wouldn't nominate any bands because music awards ceremony's are, by their very nature, pointless.[/quote:f5fd5bd905]

    Quite the opposite for the Mercuries. I don't know exact figures but thanks to shop entrance product placement in HMV's etc and all the additional hype some artists like Fionn who might have been looking at a few thousand sales normally can now expect many, many times that. Labels like Bella Union are small operations which will be able to bankroll many more artists thanks to this nomination. [/code]
  109. avatar rigsyATL
    also, they might be able to pay for them to do decent tours etc so we actually get to see them perform :-D
  110. avatar Ron
    Actually, Bella Union have been great for sending out the bands on tour. Belfast has had My Latest Novel, The Dears, Howling Bells, and Fionn in the past year. All of them bar Fionn's gig have been seriously under attended tbh which is a shame.