1. avatar Fantoma5499
    Okay, heres my situation - I have a Torque 30 watt amp which looks great, but sounds like @#%$.
    When i'm practicing with my band i can't hear it, which suited me for awhile.
    The bass player now has a big fukkin 60 watts amp, and the drummer, as with most drummers plays real loud.
    So, i feel confident and feel now is the time for me to be heard.


    I am willing to spend around 400 quid and would prefer to buy a new amp, as opposed to a second-hand one as all my equipment is second-hand, and it feels likes its dirty.
    Ya'know the feeling, like when your girlfriend cheats on you.
    I know nothing about guitar amps, i just like playing, so go easy on me.
    I have been advised to go with the Marshall series, possibly 100w, but can i afford this?
    I'm looking for a groovy/bluesy/stoner rock sound, ie. fu manchu meets kyuss meets QoSTA.
    Tall order perhaps?

    Anyhow, all advise welcome, i'm away to stare dumbfounded at the endless web pages of guitar amps, specs and prices........

    Matt
  2. avatar Pete
    I'm a bass player rather than a guitar player, so my six stringed brethren may correct me on this, but I found the behringer amps to be surprisingly good for the money. In particular the [url="http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=GMX212&lang=ENG&CFID=239400&CFTOKEN=16037524"]V-Tone amps[/url], which are like the line 6 amps in that they have analogue modelling built in. It will emualte a range of amps (fender, marshall, mesa boogie etc) as well as have a load of delay, reverb and other effects all built in.

    For the £270 retail price they are brilliant value for money, and 50watts going
    into two 12" speakers will be plenty loud. If you have £400 then there is money to spare for the big [url="http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=FCB1010&lang=ENG&CFID=239660&CFTOKEN=39631256"]midi floor board[/url] for it too so you have all the controls at your feet. If you are still at the start of your music career its a great entry into the bigger amps.

    Baird Sound Systems on the York Road in Belfast have them in stock.
  3. avatar tinpot anto
    A few other questions are important here.

    What guitar is it, you use?
    YOu see we manage to balance an 85 watt amp, with a 30 watt amp with no diffs.

    YOu problem isn't really the level of noise coming out of the amp, it's the distinction of the sound.
    Play about with all your EQ's, and guitar tones, when thrashing everything at full whack, you might be surprised.

    Put your amp on a chair, facing towards you.

    also get heavier gauge strings, you soon get used to them but they give a real difference to the meatiness of the sound, especially on a single coil guitar (strat, tele etc.)

    try these sort of things out first, before shelling out a hefty bob.

    You see if you get a new shiny, noisy amp - then the rest of the band will almost always compensate, by getting louder.

    The following things should also help you make a decision.
    - most amps sound best between 7-10 volume.
    - most sound people for gigs prefer smaller amps, miced up, and turned up to big beasts which you can't turn above 1 in case you blow the PA speakers.
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  4. avatar EPK
    I'd still reckon 30 watts is too small.
    The Behringers are the cheapest good thing you'll buy.
  5. avatar Daithi jasper
    I've never owned an amp above 25 watts... oh dear I said that out loud didn't I?
  6. avatar Pete
    I reckon guitar players should have small amps for small clubs, purely for stage volume reasons, let the PA do the work...

    Bass is another matter altogether though
    :evil
  7. avatar tinpot anto
    But you certainly don't need one of those 100w plus Marshall jobs.

    They just look rare.

    Those 50w Behringer Jobs, sound like the business - give it a squizz.

    except they *are* digital, which I don't like (But that is a very, very, very different story
  8. avatar JonAftermath
    [quote]I reckon guitar players should have small amps for small clubs, purely for stage volume reasons, let the PA do the work...[/quote]


    Sorry but I couldnt agree less! My amp's OD1 channel maxes in sound quality about the 7/10's mark and it's noticeably better. It's a Marshall half stack and I rarely get to crank it to there even in the Rosetta.

    In saying that if you're cranking a smaller amp you'll get that sound at a lower volume but you miss out on the fatter 'cab' sound.
  9. avatar Pete
    [quote]In saying that if you're cranking a smaller amp you'll get that sound at a lower volume [/quote]

    Thank you, you've just proved my point.

    I know a 100watt marshall head only starts to sound good at around 7 on the master, its designed like that... for playing in large venues!! Not frickin Auntie Annies or Katy Daly's.... then it just causes loss of hearing and drowned out vocals.
  10. avatar JonAftermath
    Actually I've used the half stack in Katys a bunch of times. The fact is that if you're looking for a particular sound for your band then you're going to have something that can compete with the drums, and to leave it up to the soundguy is taking the personal stamp off your sound.

    It has been said countless times, the likes of Stand-up Guy have worked on getting a signature sound as a band and it very much adds to the experience of seeing them live.

    Obviously different bands of different genres look for different things live, but smaller amps simply dont push enough air out front and arent going to give you the cranked yet beefy sound that most metal bands would look for.
  11. avatar Pete
    As I said, I understand that you do need the power and speakers to shift the volumes of air needed to create the ideal sound.... in an ideal world, but you need to compromise.

    Just don't complain and blame it on the sound guy the next time you get a poor sound mix or can't hear anything on stage. The PAs in small venues aren't designed to be working with 100 watt valve amps cranked to 70%.
  12. avatar DistortionChrist5000
    Yes i agree that PA systems on the local scene are not built to withstand 100 watt heads.... so if ur struggling to get a decent sound at low levels u could try using a powerbrake (also known as a variac) which u wire between the amp and the cab/speakers. It acts as a resistor and allows u to max the volume on the amp which gets u into great tone territory but it then stops all of the output reaching the speakers! which means its not "too" loud.
    alternatively if ur using an all valve amp u could try removing the two outside power tubes, leaving the middle two which halfs the output and so its easier to overdrive the amp, giving great tone at lower volumes.... however if ur doin this u need to connect the cab/speakers to a lower impedence output on the amp, or else the two remaining tubes will wear out fast.
  13. avatar JonAftermath
    no, YOUR ma
  14. avatar DistortionChrist5000
    no, YOUR da