1. avatar Suki Monster
    Mr king I have a program called tech tool deluxe on My apple care disk but it doesnt seem to have a defrag program on it.Am I missing something?
  2. avatar Charlie King
    I have never seen Apple ship any defrag stuff. Seems you HAVE to buy it.

    I've searched the annuls of my drives past and present and have never found any app that comes close to defragging.

    "Drive Setup," is the closest thing I can think of that ships with an OS. You can wipe and partition, but not defrag.

    Shame they've overlooked it continually for so long...
  3. avatar Ross Throes
    If you are using a relatively old mac or are just silly and are running MacOS 9.x you need to either buy or steal Norton Utilities. It has a tool called Speed Disk that will defrag your disk for you.

    If you are super cool like me, and are running MacOSX then you needn't worry about defragging, its for losers.
  4. avatar koyo66
    Yeah, and then you have a bunch of other things to deal with, like my OS X server in work on Friday which decided to generate 3,500 swapfiles over the course of the morning which used up 200Gb of disk space. And if you want to delete these, you have to turn into UNIX geek man to get rid of the damn things.
    Don't knock Mac OS 9, I'm starting to wish I'd stayed there.....
  5. avatar Ross Throes
    ...no need to be a unix geek man, MacJanitor will fix your swap probs. The solution to one problem creates another, its the way of computers.
  6. avatar Pete
    Nothing wrong with being a Unix geek anyway
    8o
  7. avatar Charlie King
    I run Jag and I didn't know you didn't need any defrag crap. That's dang neat!

    Tell me more....
  8. avatar Ross Throes
    Maybe I should run a course.

    Unix and Linux based OSes run maintenance scripts during the small hours of the night that will keep your HD in tip-top condition. If you turn your mac off at night then they won't have a chance to run, thats why the program MacJanitor was invented. It'll allow you to run the daily, weekly and monthly scripts at your leisure.

    Next class, how to get rid of all those pesky parking tickets using only a toothpick, some chicken wire and a piece of toast. Same time tomorrow.
  9. avatar koyo66
    Maybe you should run a course in what to do when MacJanitor and all those other little cache cleaners don't work on your problem and you *have* to start doing horrible Unix things. That was my morning today. I was very fsck'd off, to say the least.
  10. avatar Charlie King
    Why the wee hours? Have you no control over these scripts, unless you have Mac-Janitor? I don't like leaving my comp on all night. It goes to sleep and naps frequently during the day.

    I'd like not to have to buy a new drive or computer before I need one. I have this sneaking suspicion that they tell you to leave your stuff on all night so that wear and tear is maximised, thus creating the NEED for you to buy more of their stuff. Apple are sneaky wee buggers.

    Oh, what exactly is the purpose of indexing? I still haven't noticed any advantages to indexing a folder, drive, etc.

    Any takers?
  11. avatar Pete
    You can edit the maintance scripts to run at what ever time you want, or write little scripts of your own to tidy things up.

    The process that controls when these tasks are run is called CRON on unix/linux systems. I've no actual OSX experience so I can't comment further.

    We have 10 standard Fujitsu Siemens P4 desktop PCs running redhat linux as part of our computational network here in the research center. They've been on 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365.25 days a year since we got them nearly 2 years ago and we've had no hardware problems at all. Leaving your computer on overnight really isn't a problem. Except for not being able to sleep for fan noise....
  12. avatar koyo66
    Yeah, OS X let's you edit your CRON stuff - all OS X really is is BSD with some tweaks and a nice front end bolted on and Mac OS 9 sellotaped (badly) on the side for old apps. The whole reason I've been using Macs for the last 10 years is to avoid stuff like this. The sh*t I've been through in work the last two days is undelievable. OS X isn't nearly as robust as they claim.

    Indexing.... this is totally useful if you want to search inside files for keywords, rather than searching just filenames.