1. avatar ClayPeterFace
    Does anyone know if a device exists which allows you to use the sound of your real drumkit as a basis for MIDI BPM?

    So you would put a mic on the snare, par example, and this magical device would use that audio signal to output MIDI Clock or whatever, keeping anything you've sequenced in time with your drummer.

    Or is this just crazy talk?
  2. avatar antojasper
    What you speak of has been thought but never made real...

    Indeed the Holey Grail of computer recording.

    In short: :



    you crazy.
  3. avatar EPK
    Sorry, Anto, but this was actually done at one time, and usd by Emerson Lake and Palmer in the mid 80s.
    The tempo could be taken from any drum, but was generally kick or snare, and the tempo dictated sequencer tempo.
    It wasn't hugely successful, and has never resurfaced.
    I'd imagine you're talking about live syncing for gigging.
  4. avatar ClayPeterFace
    yep, any previous attempts to do it the other way around (have the drummer drumming in time to a click track) have resulted in his near-deafness, and his eventually losing the beat cos he can't hear it when playing cymbals and stuff.

    ah feck it, we'll just play some honest to god rock and roll and forget the sequenced stuff.
  5. avatar ClayPeterFace
    actually i think some DJ mixers can do it - i suppose we could try it with one of them, but I don't fancy shelling out for it and then realising that it needs a big, compressed four on the floor to work.
  6. avatar feline1
    Yeah, there appear to be plenty of wee DJ devices these days which auto-detect the tempo of records in BPM.
    Shouldn't be too difficult to send them an audio feed from a drum kit instead.
  7. avatar ClayPeterFace
    I wonder how reliable they are though, has anyone ever used one or seen one being used?
  8. avatar antojasper
    Incidentally due my my atrocious rhythm any such system would require a computer powerful enough to calculate what I meant to do.
  9. avatar no coffee no workee
    There's a program called 'Beat Detective', which sorta does what you say.
    The demo I saw involved the drummer playing with a click and then going out of time on purpose.
    The program then analysed the transients of the various drums and synched the MIDI to him.
    This would not work with set length samples but would work with other triggers. I did get the impresion it was a studio fixer for drummers who couldn't play to a click tho.
    For click tracks it's very important to pick a decent sound for the click.
    Rim shots are very annoying and have to be played at such a volume it will damage ears.
    A softer sound works better, such as a beep as unless you use beeps in your music as it won't have too many similar sounds to compete with.
    Or a electronic metronome with a light display to help.
    The best is using a good quality sample loop for the poor tub thumper to keep time with.
  10. avatar Pete
    Get decent closed headphones, that way you can hear the click while behind the kit.

    For the tracks in which we have sequenced stuff we have a dedicated headphone amp sitting behind the kit so that Gary can adjust it as required.
  11. avatar ClayPeterFace
    helpful info, ladies and germs, cheers.