1. avatar RAAP Management
    Griswold has no wi-fi in the Manchester skip he slept in last night, so it falls to me once again to post his monthly News Letter tirade:
    [quote:8698875e2b]
    By Andrew Griswold

    I can admit it. Since turning 30, I have officially became a Grumpy Old Man. Litter, smoking, football, Guinness, toll plazas, traffic cops, plastic bags, CGI, ska, the Pogues, text speak, flesh tunnels, ‘tittoos’… I hate it all, man.

    But no list of Griswold bugbears would be complete without that scourge of the live music scene; that bane of every original group’s life; that wretched ringmaster in the circus of pap: the tribute band.

    Tribute band: two words that send a shiver up, down and back up my spine; two words that send me scrambling for the cyanide and razor blades; two words that make me wish I’d never been born. Well, maybe that’s going a tad far.

    Nevertheless, I frickin’ hate them. Imagine if, back in Sydney in 1973, Malcolm Young’s efforts to book shows for a fledgling AC/DC had been thwarted by Slade and Gary Glitter tributes; or if Sabbath had struggled to break the Brum club scene thanks to an abundance of Orbison and Jones clones. Apply this rationale to your favourite band and reel in humble terror.

    I’ve heard it all before: “Ahhh it’s only a bit of craic”; “Ahhh but [insert defunct legend here] have split up so this is the closest we’ll ever get”; “Ahhh you can hardly blame them, it’s good money.”

    Excuses, excuses, excuses.

    No matter what anyone says, tribute bands are killing live music. Some venues are now wholly dedicated to hosting these musical vampires. ‘Bootleg’ this, ‘Counterfeit’ that, ‘The Australian’ the other. Some of these scumbags are even filling arenas!

    As if the proliferation of straight-up copycats isn’t bad enough, the sickness is now starting to creep into the ‘real’ world. With long-absent lead singers and decade-plus gaps between studio albums, previously untouchable greats such as the Jam, the Misfits, the Doors and Queen have thrown good taste to the wind and are mutating slowly but surely into tributes to themselves. Like rats from a sinking ship, fans have deserted in droves and arena-straddling colossi of the ‘70s and ‘80s are reduced to propping up dingy clubs well off the beaten track. It’s only a matter of time before Marky Ramone ‘reforms’ the Ramones with members of the Ramonas, the Gabba Gabba Heys and the Animal Boys to take Crewe by storm.

    Of course, anyone can do anything they want at any time and, hey, it’s only market forces. As long as there are weekend warriors desperate to relive their dribbling youths by flailing to some flat-capped bandit’s gurn-through of You Shook Me All Night Long there will be, er, flat-capped bandits ready, willing and able to gurn through You Shook Me All Night Long. It’s like politics. Stop voting in Blair and Bush (and I should mention that mindless anti-Blair and Bush posturing is another of my pet peeves) and they’ll stop getting elected. Like, duh.

    I have paid to see a tribute band but once. That was Hanx, “Scotland’s premium tribute to Stiff Little Fingers” (not a hotly contested title, I would have thought), in Dublin several years ago, and we only stumbled into the Rock Garden that sorry Sunday evening blind drunk by mistake. (One cock-eyed assassination of Alternative Ulster and we were outta there.)

    I simply don’t want to hear versions of my favourite songs played by anyone other than the mavericks who originally cut ‘em. If there’s nowhere else to go on a slow Saturday than a ‘Ben Jovi’ or ‘Aerosmythe’ gimpfest then I’ll take a night in blasting the real thing at full volume and drinking tea ‘til I’m blue in the wazoo, thankyouverymuch.

    I’ll come right out and say it. Tribute bands of any shape or form, whether they pay homage to a current, chart-bothering motley crew or a dearly missed rock legend, whether they replicate the lightshow, the look and the lifestyle, or whether they can tap out Eruption faster than EVH himself, are entirely devoid of value, worth and merit and the sooner they all split up and die of brain death the better.

    I think I need a lie down. [/quote:8698875e2b]
  2. avatar racecarisracecarbackwards
    What'd ye call that Misifits tribute band Griswold and Sismsie preformed as in the Pavillion a while back? :P
    I'm only messing, ofcourse.
  3. avatar livemusicpics.com
    couldn't agree more!
  4. avatar feline1
    "To be fair" though,
    music has seldom only ever been performed by its original composers.

    Do we slate the London Philarmonic as a mere "Sibelius tribute band"?

    Should Tchaikovsky's opuses be just chucked in the bin, now that the neurotic Russo-bender has himself gone to join the choir invisible?

    Would Genesis' Lamb Lies Down on Broadway suite actually be BETTER if performed, not by "The Musical Box", but by a fat balding set of 60 year olds who aren't quite dead yet but nonetheless haven't made a single decent record in about 20 years?

    If Griswold's written any decent enough songs, I say he should be chuffed, not bitter, if people still wanna play and listen to them in years to come.
  5. avatar Andrew
    I'm hardly "bitter" you fruity madman.

    Thon Misfits "tribute" was a one-off favour for a friend (Ron) who spent most of 2006 driving the DFs up and down the country. We didn't get paid, didn't advertise it and there are absolutely no plans to repeat it. Having said that, we do still deserve to die.
  6. avatar Cheeses Christ
    I'm surprised ‘tittoos’ actually made it into print.
  7. avatar RAAP Management
    I think I can guess, but what precisely IS a tittoo?
    And do you have any Crossey?

    EDIT: of course a quick google confirmed my fears.
    F*cking horrible.
  8. avatar Numbnut Sounds
    [quote:fd878a23bb]the Misfits..[.....]..have thrown good taste to the wind and are mutating slowly but surely into tributes to themselves[/quote:fd878a23bb]

    The same Misfits you's supported/brought over a while back?
  9. avatar jackryan
    A well written entertaining read as always Andy.

    But I dont mind the tribute bands. I love Led Zep and the closest im ever going to get to experiencing live Zep songs as if I was at the Albert Hall in '69 is by going to see a good tribute act.

    They can bring the music of bands long gone to new audiences which can only be a good thing.

    But Andy keep being grumpy - it keeps us talking
  10. avatar theavenue
    Ironic, seeing as though the Dangerfields are a clone of countless punk bands.
  11. avatar whosbainejakey
    [quote:c68b50ee47="theavenue"]Ironic, seeing as though the Dangerfields are a clone of countless punk bands.[/quote:c68b50ee47]

    Zing!

    "Flesh tunnels"? :shock:
  12. avatar T Entertainment
    Yes, I thought that was more likely to upset the NL subs than 'tittoos'.
    And I have no idea what flesh tunnels are.

    EDIT: Ah google, the saviour of middle aged men trying to keep up everywhere:

    [img:be729364d5]http://tattoo.about.com/library/graphics/onion2.jpg[/img:be729364d5]
  13. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:d7ae102dcc="theavenue"]Ironic, seeing as though the Dangerfields are a clone of countless punk bands.[/quote:d7ae102dcc]

    Although it's probably tricky to be a punk rock band and sound like you're not a punk rock band, wouldn't you say? I mean, if the DFs sounded like, say, Tanita Tikaram, it would certainly free them from the above dig, er, criticism, but might make them a bit less, er, punk rock? Um?
  14. avatar T Entertainment
    Punk: what [i:809602ac2d]is[/i:809602ac2d] it?
  15. avatar The Grace Jones
    It has 3 chords and needs a bath.
  16. avatar theavenue
    ...and the same repetitive fast drum-beat in every song.
  17. avatar The Grace Jones
    And the lyrics to every punk song are "oi oi oi".
  18. avatar T Entertainment
    Punk bands also cannot play and just hit their instruments. They do not create music, it is just noise.
    And the Dangerfields are the worst culprits for all of the above.
  19. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:db0e46ce3b="T Entertainment"]cannot play and just hit their instruments. They do not create music, it is just noise.[/quote:db0e46ce3b]

    But... how do we tell it apart from Metal then??


    Edit : just remembered. Metal has black guitars; Punk has guitars with stickers on. And where Punk goes "oi oi oi", Metal goes "raagh raagh raagh".
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  20. avatar T Entertainment
    Good lad, you're learning.
  21. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:0b655a420c="The Grace Jones"][quote:0b655a420c="T Entertainment"]cannot play and just hit their instruments. They do not create music, it is just noise.[/quote:0b655a420c]

    But... how do we tell it apart from Metal then??


    Edit : just remembered. Metal has black guitars; Punk has guitars with stickers on.[/quote:0b655a420c]

    God this is tedious
  22. avatar The Grace Jones
    While we're here, what the hell is Blues supposed to be? jangly-jangly-woke-up-this-morning in A, and jangly-jangly-my-baby-left-me in E. Rubbish.
  23. avatar theavenue
    Don't forget the Uni students who play indie songs about the revolution and how they don't want to pay water charges.
  24. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    [quote:bd840b1899="theavenue"]Don't forget the Uni students who play indie songs about the revolution and how they don't want to pay water charges.[/quote:bd840b1899]

    they just let their parent pay them...
  25. avatar my-angel-rocks
    "We want punks in the palace, because punks have the loveliest dreams" sang a very punk band
  26. avatar feline1
    This thread is so full of sock puppets that Fastfude could open a laundrette! :lol:
  27. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:e7ece408d4="feline1"]Do we slate the London Philarmonic as a mere "Sibelius tribute band"?[/quote:e7ece408d4]

    I have posed the question to people before "Orchestras: glorified cover bands"

    People just don't want to hear new, they want the things they know they like, which sadly is why anyone producing a guitar in public will get 5 requests to play fucking Wonderwall.
  28. avatar thefatson
    While we're on orchestras what do conductors do anyway?
    Surely highly trained musicians should be able to remember when to play their parts?
  29. avatar Pete
    Yeah, but try keeping 100 musicians in time without one!
  30. avatar theavenue
    They also control the beat, the tempo, how loud or quiet that section of music is, the musicians are just reading the sheet music.
  31. avatar feline1
    [quote:0179c1ecc2="theavenue"]They also control the beat, the tempo, how loud or quiet that section of music is, the musicians are just reading the sheet music.[/quote:0179c1ecc2]

    If the musicians are so busy reading the sheet music, how do they manage to see what the conductor is doing, that's what I want to know! :lol:
  32. avatar The Grace Jones
    Music is just crap really.
  33. avatar Pete
    The conductor also carries the flightcase with all the spare jack leads.
  34. avatar The Grace Jones
    If they would just get a proper drummer instead, there would be no need for all this baton business.

    * Mercifully I have reached my posting limit. I must leave you now, with this thought :

    [b:401b95dad9]Conducting : Hand or Baton?[/b:401b95dad9]
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  35. avatar theavenue
    [quote:1e9893f43b="feline1"][quote:1e9893f43b="theavenue"]They also control the beat, the tempo, how loud or quiet that section of music is, the musicians are just reading the sheet music.[/quote:1e9893f43b]

    If the musicians are so busy reading the sheet music, how do they manage to see what the conductor is doing, that's what I want to know! :lol:[/quote:1e9893f43b]

    Um...they look up?
  36. avatar I'mDead
    Yes, but is it art, or indeed valid?

    What about cover bands? Do they suck too?

    Don't worry, I'll google it.
  37. avatar theavenue
    I hate this post limit thing.

    One question though; Are cover songs allowed? Because almost every local band does a cover song in their set. Y'know, since you don't want to hear songs "ruined".
  38. avatar Daithi jasper
    I love the way your all arguing with an article. Carry on.
  39. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:cb8312b962="Daithi jasper"]I love the way your all arguing with an article. Carry on.[/quote:cb8312b962]

    I wish! A bit of debate that doesn't descend into "look how ironic and clever I am" would be most welcome.
  40. avatar theavenue
    [quote:dd52bf8b98="Daithi jasper"]I love the way your all arguing with an article. Carry on.[/quote:dd52bf8b98]

    The writer of said article has already posted once in this thread. It's not an arguement with an article.
  41. avatar zebulon
    [quote:14406048e9="sheriffjohnstone"]A bit of debate that doesn't descend into "look how ironic and clever I am" would be most welcome.[/quote:14406048e9]I think you're missing the point. The posters you're objecting are mocking the stupidity of those who, on this thread and elsewhere, object to other people's tastes because "it's not music", often tarring everything that they don't like with the same brush instead of developing some kind of actual critical stance for their objections.

    A bit like what you've done above ;-)
  42. avatar The Ronster
    [quote:d332fdab55]Thon Misfits "tribute" was a one-off favour for a friend (Ron) who spent most of 2006 driving the DFs up and down the country. We didn't get paid, didn't advertise it and there are absolutely no plans to repeat it.[/quote:d332fdab55]

    :cry: :cry: :cry:

    But it was fun!

    My own feelings on tribute bands are well formed - I hate them for what they represent, but I bear no ill will to those who perform in them, as they just see it as a job. It's really no different than any other money making enterprise - you have a demand, so you supply. Me, I just like singing Misfits songs once in a while. I've done it a few times, and never been paid, simply cause I love the Misfits.

    Its the people who pay to go and see them that are beneath contempt. If you truly loved a band, why would you go and see a bunch of chancers who sound like them (or not as the case may be). Just a bit of crack doesn't cover it in my book.

    [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_(craic)](Aside - While we are on pet peeves, there is no such word as 'craic'. It's a gaelicised 'crack', which over the years people have decided is authentically Irish. The word 'crack' wasn't regularly used in Ireland until probably the late 60s. Stop getting on otherwise).[/url]

    That said, I don't think tributes appeal to the same market as live music. Someone who would pay to see a Chilis tribute, in my opinion, isn't going to be rushing out to see a lot of local bands regularly.
  43. avatar Danny McCormack
    I'm in a tribute band and I enjoy playing the music I do - why should I stop doing what I love just because people criticise me for making money even though I don't do it for financial gain?
  44. avatar LittlrockAx
    Maybe it's because I'm in a few of them, but I don't think cover bands and tribute bands are the same. My reasons being

    When you come to see me in a cover band

    a) I do a random selection of songs by different bands from different eras and not one artist for an hour

    b) These are "covers". They sound enough like the original that you recognise it and sing along, but are not note perfect replicas.

    c) It is unlikely that you will pay more than a fiver to get in (but loads of good venues are free)

    d) Under no circumstances do I wear an ilfitting costume or some bad nhs wig to look like anyone. I may occasionally sound similar to some people, but it's just coincidence and not an attempt to "do them" (It is for this very reason that I never cover Madness songs - they don't sound right without the proper accent and I'd be scundered trying to put one on!)

    I have been to see some tribute bands just to see what they are like.

    ABCD - are an excellent Bon-vintage DC tribute band.
    These Charming men - were a good band, but the irritating "Morrissey" got on my nads after a while (but then I feel the same way about The Smiths)
    Thin As Lizzy - are an excellent Lizzy tribute (if you like that sort of thing)
    Australian Black Sabbath - oh dear oh dear oh dear. This is where I agree with Griswold. This is the reason I haven't been back to a tribute show since - absolutely god awful.

    But there is a really big difference between the first and last on this list. The first are a band who like DC and want to play good versions of the music. The last band bought the fringey shirt and the big crosses and then found out that pre-MTV Ozzy was actually a really good singer and not easy to rip off at all.

    My apologies for another long post

    :roll:

    Ax
  45. avatar feline1
    The best tribute band were [size=24:4e73d48810][color=blue:4e73d48810][url=http://www.felinedream.co.uk/bpm.htm]THE BLUE POWDER MONKEYS[/url][/color:4e73d48810] [/size:4e73d48810]y'all
  46. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:84104e94a7]While we're on orchestras what do conductors do anyway?
    Surely highly trained musicians should be able to remember when to play their parts? [/quote:84104e94a7]

    Well, if you bought say two copies of Mozart's requiem for instance you will realise that they sound completely different. You cannot lob "classical" music in with the the mediocre pretensions of drugged up rock stars writing songs about fu-cking girls and getting drunk. The classical music industry re-releases certain works freshly recorded due to the fact that the acoustics of the performance area may be better than previous recordings, the tempo the conductor uses for different sections is different, the dynamics of any given orchestral section (i.e. woodwind)is softer or louder, perhaps a new version of the work was found, perhaps they removed a certain section in order to create greater symmetry, and so on. Popular music does not have this appeal, as once recorded it becomes a monument which enters the public consciousness and cannot be recreated, something that recorded classical music rarely achieves and thus has to go on being recorded in the hope of producing that elusive definitive masterpiece of a recording. Question answered?



    But yes, I am against cover bands. Firstly, because of the extraordinary ticket prices they charge in order to see some bald, fat guy from Fermanagh pretending to be Jimi Hendrix or something. Secondly, they rarely ever
    produce a convincing performance given that they are a crude pastiche of the real thing and will never win over an audience unless they do the classics and make sure the audience are quite drunk before they go on in order to cover up the fact that they (a) sound extremely dull compared to the original and (b) look nothing like the original. If one wants to recreate the performances of any band get a carry out and watch some classic live footage (there's plenty of it about for all musical tastes)or
    buy the live album for Christ's sake. Cover bands stop stealing gigs from original bands!
  47. avatar LittlrockAx
    [quote:f0cd8b5f73]Cover bands stop stealing gigs from original bands![/quote:f0cd8b5f73]

    Easy there tex. I have pointed out that there are differences (imo) between covers bands and tribute bands, but that aside neither are stealing gigs from anyone.

    As someone was saying earlier in the thread. They provide a service that your average original band cannot or will not provide.

    They are, for the most part, two wholly separate audiences. That's like saying that original bands are stopping my covers band getting into Laverys. I would never entertain the idea because it simply wouldn't go down with the punters there. Not their problem - not mine either. My last covers gig had a crowd of about 600-700 at it. They weren't there cos there was no original band playing nearby - they were there cos they enjoy it.

    bums on seats luvvy, bums on seats!

    :wink:

    Ax
  48. avatar nonlogic liam
    Well dearest, as we all understand there is an audience for this sort of entertainment. My problem is not the fact that there may have been an original band playing next door it's the fact that many clubs and pubs only have cover acts and never original bands. I do understand their logic but not their ethics. Plus the fact that cover acts get extraordinary amounts of money for playing covers sickens me (we lost our last drummer to a wedding band and he's earning £200 a night for playing Tom Jone's covers!). But hey, it's always been this way with music. For instance who wouldn't rather go and see the 'marriage of Figaro' instead of a new Steve Reich concerto?
  49. avatar zebulon
    [quote:c96abc243d="feline1"]The best tribute band were [color=blue:c96abc243d][url=http://www.felinedream.co.uk/bpm.htm]THE BLUE POWDER MONKEYS[/url][/color:c96abc243d] y'all[/quote:c96abc243d]

    Ach Feline, sure everyone knows that the best tribute band ever on earth or elsewhere was
    [size=24:c96abc243d][color=violet:c96abc243d][url=http://www.blacktelescope.co.uk/supermasters/]THE[/url][/color:c96abc243d] [color=red:c96abc243d][url=www.flickr.com/groups/fastfude/pool/tags/SuperMasters/]SUPERMASTERS[/url][/color:c96abc243d][/size:c96abc243d]
    and they were a tribute to a band that never existed.

    ahem
  50. avatar zebulon
    [quote:67ae1692ec="nonlogic liam"]For instance who wouldn't rather go and see the 'marriage of Figaro' instead of a new Steve Reich concerto?[/quote:67ae1692ec]Steve Reich's mum?
  51. avatar ssmcmullan
    For the record, I'm working the Aussie Pink Floyd tonight at the Odyssey, it's sold really badly.
    I hate covers bands also, the only one that comes to mind as being worthwhile is Zappa plays Zappa, which is Dweezil Zappa playing his dad's songs with lots of the original performers, knowing that Zappa himself would rather just have great musicians play his songs rather than do it himself kinda justifies it.
  52. avatar unplugged
    as u know i play in a covers band. what the guy said earlier is right. cover bands and tribute bands are there to get bums on seats. plus it earns the band members an absolute fortune.

    now what i dont like are singers and guitarists in tribute bands who actually think they are the real rock stars even when they come offstage. like "Jon" in thon bon Jovi covers band that play at the empire. i swear the hilarity is better seen in real life than on paper. truly funny.
  53. avatar Frankie Carroll
    I don't know who Andrew Griswold is or if he is even in a band. But I suspect he is in a band and they don't get a lot of people to their gigs.

    I have been to see quite a lot of Tribute bands and I have also been to see quite a lot of "local" original bands. The first thing I would like to say about local "original" bands is I have not seen very many that I would call "original" To me writing a song that sounds like a Killers song and delivering it in the same style is not very original. What makes it worse is most of the local bands I have seen are total rubbish (in my opinion) they have terrible tone, they can't play their instruments (properly) and the reason there is not a lot of people in the audience (apart from their mates) is nobody else thinks they are good.

    It has always been hard for original bands Andrew, this is not a new thing and you can't blame it on the tribute bands. The fact is the vast majority of original bands aren't good enough (and they never will be)

    I would rather spend £6.00 or £7.00 going to see a tribute band, where I know I am gonna have a good time. Than go to a free show and see a band I have never heard of play songs I don't know (and will probably not like)

    My advise to you would be, if you are in one of these "original" bands and you are having trouble getting people to go to your gigs (even when it is free in) you need to ask yourself these questions:

    1. Is your band really that original?

    2. Have you considered the reason not a lot of people go to your shows is not because there is a Bon Jovi Tribute band playing in the Empire the same night (could the real reason be your band is not very good?)

    3. Do you not think you would be better spending your time trying to improve your band (write songs people like, maybe spend a bit more time and get a good sound, or practise your instruments more so you are a better musician) rather than come on here and whinge about Tribute Bands?

    If all the Tribute Bands split up tonight, do you actually believe it would make your band more popular or more successful?

    I think what we see here is the typical example of the guy who drives a Mini Metro saying he hates people who drive BMW's
  54. avatar ssmcmullan
    [quote:305a308edb="Frankie Carroll"]I don't know who Andrew Griswold is or if he is even in a band. But I suspect he is in a band and they don't get a lot of people to their gigs.

    I have been to see quite a lot of Tribute bands and I have also been to see quite a lot of "local" original bands. The first thing I would like to say about local "original" bands is I have not seen very many that I would call "original" To me writing a song that sounds like a Killers song and delivering it in the same style is not very original. What makes it worse is most of the local bands I have seen are total rubbish (in my opinion) they have terrible tone, they can't play their instruments (properly) and the reason there is not a lot of people in the audience (apart from their mates) is nobody else thinks they are good.

    It has always been hard for original bands Andrew, this is not a new thing and you can't blame it on the tribute bands. The fact is the vast majority of original bands aren't good enough (and they never will be)

    I would rather spend £6.00 or £7.00 going to see a tribute band, where I know I am gonna have a good time. Than go to a free show and see a band I have never heard of play songs I don't know (and will probably not like)

    My advise to you would be, if you are in one of these "original" bands and you are having trouble getting people to go to your gigs (even when it is free in) you need to ask yourself these questions:

    1. Is your band really that original?

    2. Have you considered the reason not a lot of people go to your shows is not because there is a Bon Jovi Tribute band playing in the Empire the same night (could the real reason be your band is not very good?)

    3. Do you not think you would be better spending your time trying to improve your band (write songs people like, maybe spend a bit more time and get a good sound, or practise your instruments more so you are a better musician) rather than come on here and whinge about Tribute Bands?

    If all the Tribute Bands split up tonight, do you actually believe it would make your band more popular or more successful?

    I think what we see here is the typical example of the guy who drives a Mini Metro saying he hates people who drive BMW's[/quote:305a308edb]

    Possibly the most absurd post on Fastfude ever?
  55. avatar Daithi jasper
    Well whether you like the Dangerfields or not I think a lot of people on here would suggest you are very very wrong about your idea of Andrew Griswold and his band. :)

    You had some valid points in that post but mostly you were talking nonsense. You are of course entitled to your opinion but one does wonder why you a member of Fastfude with your opinion. Just saying like. :)
  56. avatar Danny McCormack
    I agree in part with what you're saying, Frankie, but I'm not sure you should have criticised the Dangerfields in the same way you did. They are quite popular around the Belfast area and I don't think it's fair to slate all their hard work.

    Then again, I consider most of what Griswold said to be very condescending.
  57. avatar Frankie Carroll
    To clarify I am not slagging of the Dangerfields (actually I never seen them so I would be in no position to offer an opinion either way)

    As I said I have no idea who Andrew Griswold is or if he is even in a band (but I assume by the replies he is in The Dangerfields?)

    I am not trying to say Tribute bands are better than original bands, I have seen some very good orignal bands (but I have seen an awful lot of really bad so called "original" bands)

    From my experience people who shout the loudest about how much they hate Tribute bands are usually in a band themselves and they can't get gigs (or people to come and see them) and I am trying to suggest the reason for this is not because there are a few tribute bands doing the rounds but it has more to do with the original band aren't very good (and probably not that original)

    I think if you are in an original band and that band is good, then you will have no trouble getting gigs and you will have no trouble getting people to come to your shows, and you would not have the time to come on here and complain about Tribute Bands
  58. avatar livemusicpics.com
    [quote:1f72465b6b]and they can't get gigs [/quote:1f72465b6b]
    not really something you could accuse the DFs of!
  59. avatar Redfin
    I've done both original & cover bands and I have to say that it may pay the bills doing cover work but f8ck it can be soul destroying. You can have a good night alright, fill the dance floor etc. but i've always felt something is missing at the end of it. I mean to most people going to cover nights you could be anybody up there, they don't give a f2ck, as long as they can jump about for 2 hours. For me there is nothing better than doing your own material live and getting people who've never heard it to sit up and take notice. But flip side is it's hard as f8ck to get gigs doing your own stuff. Or was that just cos we were lazy abstards. mmm..
  60. avatar thefatson
    [quote:17512e520d]I don't know who Andrew Griswold is or if he is even in a band. But I suspect he is in a band and they don't get a lot of people to their gigs.[/quote:17512e520d]
    :lol:

    nonlogic liam, I get what your saying but I always believed the only reason for a conductor would be due to the logistics of having so many people playing together, obviously it would mess up if they all just played their own interpretation. I don't buy into the idea of classical music being better than "popular music", its all a matter of understanding.

    You can't group all popular music as drivel though as smcmullan pointed out with Zappa.
    I've just finished downloading the vid of Zappa in barcelona and it made me change my mind a bit about conductors, just the way the band changed the songs on his cues. He kind of blurs the lines between pop and classical though and Zappa plays Zappa is a fine example of a good tribute band.
  61. avatar The Ronster
    Disassociate the word 'original' from the concept of originality - they aren't the same thing in this context Frankie, and I'm sure you know it.

    You're just employing that idea to make a point, and badly.

    The actual argument is surely creativity versus imitation as forms of entertainment. Whether or not you rate the creativity of a band is surely beside the point?

    Actually, in your case probably not. But for most people on here it is.
  62. avatar ssmcmullan
    [quote:547dbb8a4b="thefatson"]You can't group all popular music as drivel though as smcmullan pointed out with Zappa.
    I've just finished downloading the vid of Zappa in barcelona and it made me change my mind a bit about conductors, just the way the band changed the songs on his cues. He kind of blurs the lines between pop and classical though and Zappa plays Zappa is a fine example of a good tribute band.[/quote:547dbb8a4b]

    Classing all popular music as "worse" than classical music is entirely backwards, everyone knows that anyway.

    One of my favourite things about Zappa's conducting was how he managed to get his point across, kicking his foot in a certain way was enough to get the band to do what he wanted.
  63. avatar MalekB-Sick
    griswald is an idiot!
  64. avatar Eamonn Evangelists
    [img:cfe337104d]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/danzombie/DFsphotos/dfslivecopy.jpg[/img:cfe337104d]
    [i:cfe337104d]The Dangerfields playing in front of not a lot of people, last week[/i:cfe337104d]
  65. avatar chrisjedijane
    tribute bands all smell of wee. everyone knows this.
  66. avatar nonlogic liam
    [quote:7b3021dcf5] I don't buy into the idea of classical music being better than "popular music", its all a matter of understanding. [/quote:7b3021dcf5]

    Did I say that?
  67. avatar Baronation
    Probably, who cares?

    Anyway, whats wrong with Metro drives voicing an opinion on BMW drivers. Oh yea, and the Metro is not to be confused with the Rover 100.
  68. avatar mr_scarecrow
    What I dont get about this topic and the people on it is:

    Everyone seems to be intitled to their opinion aslong as it doesnt disagree with your own, otherwise it gets branded as wrong.

    Tribute/cover bands and local bands (original or not) are aimed at two different kinds off customers, that has already been said and it is probably the best response I have seen on this topic.

    Just like a rock bar/club is aimed at rockers and a dance orientated club is aimed at their particular customers.

    Seems pointless to complain about one or the other, kinda like complaining that Burger King dont seel Big Macs.

    My two cents, probably be slated but I'm done so go for it.
  69. avatar captain a
    check out the guy in the bottom right of that picture flipping the bird at the df's. bet his name is frankie carrol as well.
  70. avatar miss catface
    [quote:bf54e47ebe]Nevertheless, I frickin’ hate them. Imagine if, back in Sydney in 1973, Malcolm Young’s efforts to book shows for a fledgling AC/DC had been thwarted by Slade and Gary Glitter tributes; or if Sabbath had struggled to break the Brum club scene thanks to an abundance of Orbison and Jones clones.[/quote:bf54e47ebe]

    I don't think this has ever been an issue for any new band. In Belfast anyway there are always gigs going in pubs and bars despite there being a hell of a lot of tribute bands playing recently. Maybe it is getting harder to get gigs, as its been a while since trying, but im not in a circle where ive ever heard people complain that they cant get gigs, maybe a specific support, but not gigs on a whole. Also the tribute bands only ever play the larger venues which starting bands barely get a foot in the door of so early on, so i very much doubt a Gary Glitter tribute band would have ever affected the success of other bands, despite maybe the ones supporting them.

    [quote:bf54e47ebe]No matter what anyone says, tribute bands are killing live music. Some venues are now wholly dedicated to hosting these musical vampires. ‘Bootleg’ this, ‘Counterfeit’ that, ‘The Australian’ the other. Some of these scumbags are even filling arenas![/quote:bf54e47ebe]

    I think this is a bit over the top as some of these tribute gigs, have local bands supporting. I understand a lot dont, but gigs are still happening whether or not tribute bands are existance. It would be a sad and unlikely day for bands to stop playing cos the latest legend rip off band got more money than they did.

    Some venues are dedicating a lot of their time to these money making bands, but i'm guessing these are the same venues that are pay to play and probably wouldnt care who was playing, tribute or not, as long as they got their money.

    [quote:bf54e47ebe]As if the proliferation of straight-up copycats isn’t bad enough, the sickness is now starting to creep into the ‘real’ world. With long-absent lead singers and decade-plus gaps between studio albums, previously untouchable greats such as the Jam, the Misfits, the Doors and Queen have thrown good taste to the wind and are mutating slowly but surely into tributes to themselves.[/quote:bf54e47ebe]

    Its a shame that for a good point, included in the list is a band promoted by himself not very long ago therefore making it all seem... well... make your own conclusion.


    On another note Frankie Carroll, obviously hasn't been going to many gigs or paying much attention to this forum considering he reckons Griswold and the band he presumably plays in can't get gigs, considering the press coverage the df's have been getting recently with the atl broadcast of vital on tv, the df's getting the support of the stiff little fingers, and not just in Belfast, the entire tour, and the general good news to hear about any band thats worked its ass off for years. if you did have a good point to make it been blinded by your lack of knowledge that you tried to back your points up with.
  71. avatar Frankie Carroll
    Some very good points miss catface.

    I can assure you I didn't know who Andrew Griswold was (as I said in my original post) I was not aware he was a member of The Dangerfields, infact I have never been to a Dangerfields show or before my original post heard any of their music (more on that later)

    I do visit this forum quite often, but I have never tried to work out who everybody is or what bands thay might be in etc.. (I assume from your post you used to be in a band, but I have no idea what band that might be)

    The point I was trying to make was that I quite often hear people in bands complain about not getting gigs, not getting big crowds to their shows and they usually site a number of different reasons for this (Tribute Bands being one of them) and I think they need to look at themselves rather than try to blame other factors (like maybe thier band is not good enough)

    I have seen a lot of local bands over the last few years, and I usually come away dissapointed. Maybe that say's more about me than the bands themselves (I don't know) but I usally find the songs are not very good, they sound like quite a lot of bands I have heard, they cannot play their instruments very well, they have a terrible tone and you are left wondering how they ever made it out of the practise room. In saying that I have also seen a few very good bands (just not very many)

    I like nothing better than to call into a local venue and see a local band pull out a great performance, I also have had many a good night seeing a great Tribute band deliver a note perfect performance (and I hope I will continue to be able to watch local bands and Tribute bands and the two can survive together)

    As I already said I did not Know Andrew Griswold was in The Dangerfields (or had heard any of their material) so I thought I should take a trip over to their website and see what I thought. So I wnet on to their MySpace site and listened to the four songs.

    It is obvious from looking at their website that these guys work their asses off and seem to have no problem getting people to come to their shows (although from the photo above it doesn't look like too many people are enjoying themselves - maybe this was a support slot?) So obviously some of the points I raised does not apply to the Dangerfields.

    I don't think people should come onto a public forum and slag off a band or a different type of music (or Tribute Bands the way Andrew did) It would be the easiest thing in the world to come on here and slag somebody off. I feel if you have something to say you should say it to their face. So even though some people may say Andrew would deserve it if somebody came on here and slagged off the Dangerfields I will leve my constructive critism and give it to him face to face if I ever find my way to a Dangerfields show.
  72. avatar Wd-adam
    I think everyone's reading a bit too much into the article really. At the end of the day I'll take original music over cover bands no problem.
  73. avatar theavenue
    I'd take original music over cover bands too of course. Although...I would take cover bands over mediocre punk bands who think they're bigger than they are.
  74. avatar The Ronster
    Sigh, what a douchebag.
  75. avatar gl2200
    [quote:31073a2ce1="theavenue"]I'd take original music over cover bands too of course. Although...I would take cover bands over mediocre punk bands who think they're bigger than they are.[/quote:31073a2ce1]

    That's a terrible thing to say about Stiff Little Fingers.
  76. avatar gl2200
    [quote:ac26a0648a="Frankie Carroll"]I don't think people should come onto a public forum and slag off a band or a different type of music (or Tribute Bands the way Andrew did)...[/quote:ac26a0648a]

    No, he did that in a column for a newspaper. Pay attention.
  77. avatar theavenue
    [quote:4196ceab87="gl2200"][quote:4196ceab87="theavenue"]I'd take original music over cover bands too of course. Although...I would take cover bands over mediocre punk bands who think they're bigger than they are.[/quote:4196ceab87]

    That's a terrible thing to say about Stiff Little Fingers.[/quote:4196ceab87]

    You know how I mean, although...I have to say, I hate Stiff Little Fingers.
  78. avatar The Grace Jones
    [i:9fff7bb4ca]I wrote:[/i:9fff7bb4ca]

    [quote:9fff7bb4ca]Jeeves. Come up to the North Study. Literacy has died. Drag it out back and bury it between Relevancy and Sense of Humour, there's a good chap.[/quote:9fff7bb4ca]

    [quote:9fff7bb4ca][i:9fff7bb4ca]What about Sheer Unadulterated Fecking Idiocy, Sir?[/i:9fff7bb4ca][/quote:9fff7bb4ca]

    [quote:9fff7bb4ca]It alone seems to be thriving and in good health upon the Internets. Get it fattened up and ready to perform work, Stephen Nolan cannot live forever.[/quote:9fff7bb4ca]
  79. avatar thefatson
    Sorry liam I thought you were insuating that classical music was better than pop.

    There are plenty of people who do think clasical is better, it all comes down to understanding, I can see why classical is good but many calssical fans cannot see how metal is good.

    What about tribute albums?
    They surely have a higher value than tribute bands, Screaching Weasle's cover of that Ramones album got me into the Ramones and Les Claypools Frog Brigade's cover of Animals got me into Pink Floyd.
    Sometimes good musicians can give you a shortcut to understanding why a band are good.
  80. avatar Andrew
    [quote:68a61156c5="theavenue"]I would take cover bands over mediocre punk bands who think they're bigger than they are.[/quote:68a61156c5]
    Yeah, yeah, alright. You don't like my band. All my drumbeats are the same. We're clones of Cock Sparrer.

    [i:68a61156c5][b:68a61156c5]Whatever, and indeed, dry 'em.[/b:68a61156c5][/i:68a61156c5]

    And hey - at least we didn't [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Runaways]steal our band name from Joan Jett[/url].
  81. avatar theavenue
    Joan Jett, excellent, oh and I'm not actually a member of the band although they have since renamed themselves anyhow.

    But...never the less, I don't like the band, yes the drumbeats are the same and I just hate bands that think they're bigger than they are regardless of how many gigs you have or haven't played. Yes, you work hard, however this article seemed very condescending and snooty.
  82. avatar Gogs
    The article has f*ck all to do with The Dangerfields. The fact that Andrew thought putting on and supporting the Misfits was a shrewd business decision has little to do with anything either.

    And whoever repeated that they didn't think it was nice that folk came on a forum and slagged off blah blah blah - not only was this a newspaper column but it wasn't even Griswold who stuck it up here. So, yknow...

    The fact that cover bands, and more specifically tribute acts, make a sh*tload by pretending to be other people, or playing other people's music is the most important point. And that sucks, if y'ask me.
  83. avatar Le Sac Magique
    i don't know if anyone's pointed this out as i got the jist of the whole thing on the first page, but i would have thought a flesh funnel was the female equivalent of a flesh flute

    EDIT: due to spelling errors am i too proud and pretentious to allow to see the light of day (in my face, as i am confused by how that sentence should be correctly grammaticised(?))

    talk about digging your own hole
  84. avatar ssmcmullan
    [quote:e73c83adc1="thefatson"]Sorry liam I thought you were insuating that classical music was better than pop.

    There are plenty of people who do think clasical is better, it all comes down to understanding, I can see why classical is good but many calssical fans cannot see how metal is good.

    What about tribute albums?
    They surely have a higher value than tribute bands, Screaching Weasle's cover of that Ramones album got me into the Ramones and Les Claypools Frog Brigade's cover of Animals got me into Pink Floyd.
    Sometimes good musicians can give you a shortcut to understanding why a band are good.[/quote:e73c83adc1]

    Sreeching Weasel's Ramones cover album, as Ben Weasel admits was a stupid thing to do, no-one can out Ramones the Ramones (except possibly The Hanson Brothers) the Vindictives Ramones cover album from the same series was the only one that was any way decent. I don't have any point with this by the way.
  85. avatar remaderyan
    I love it the way Andrew can Start a riot simply by writing a very entertaining article and its way better written than most of the pish i read on this forum or in most papers!

    normally someone has to be either sexist/gayist or say clique.

    I enjoy reading your column mr Griswold!
  86. avatar savoy truffle
    Couldn't be arsed reading 6 pages of this...however thought I'd point out that the only way you hear tribute bands is by going to see them cos they obviously have no other exposure, radio play etc. So if you don't like them isn't it easy to ignore their existence by just not going to see them? The way the rest of us ignore line-dancing and the KKK?
  87. avatar danbastard
    Good point.

    Not a fan of cover bands myself either though, there's so many good local bands to go see instead. Not to mention all the great acts being brought over by the likes of Hardball.
  88. avatar unplugged
    personally i dont like going to see original bands cos there are few that turn my head. only two i can thnk of recently that really grabbed my attention and i have all of their stuff are jaded sun and million $ Reload.

    id much rather see a good covers act or tribute band. i like to sing along. maybe its a mentality i have developed being in a covers band for all these years but its just personal opinion isnt it. its like ass holes. everyone has one. :lol:
  89. avatar *saz*
    [quote:08c51e3de3]however thought I'd point out that the only way you hear tribute bands is by going to see them cos they obviously have no other exposure, radio play etc. So if you don't like them isn't it easy to ignore their existence by just not going to see them?[/quote:08c51e3de3]

    well said!
  90. avatar The Ronster
    Surely the thrust of Griswold's piece is that tribute bands are being put on rather than bands with their own material because club owners (rightly, it has to be admitted) recognise that they are a safer bet financially.

    Ignoring tribute bands is an ideal, but it's hard to when local band nights at decent venues get sidelined in favour of By Jovi.
  91. avatar Bones
    [quote:dd2a30db91="theavenue"]Joan Jett, excellent, oh and I'm not actually a member of the band although they have since renamed themselves anyhow.

    But...never the less, I don't like the band, yes the drumbeats are the same and I just hate bands that think they're bigger than they are regardless of how many gigs you have or haven't played. Yes, you work hard, however this article seemed very condescending and snooty.[/quote:dd2a30db91]

    ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  92. avatar theavenue
    Only the Z key working?
  93. avatar thecomeons_2
    [quote:454eb2deaf="The Ronster"]Ignoring tribute bands is an ideal, but it's hard to when local band nights at decent venues get sidelined in favour of By Jovi.[/quote:454eb2deaf]
    surely the crowd that would see a tribute band and the crowd that would see local bands would be different anyway?
  94. avatar ratherfunkychemicaljunky
    [quote:4e4933d481]id much rather see a good covers act or tribute band. i like to sing along. maybe its a mentality i have developed being in a covers band for all these years but its just personal opinion isnt it. its like ass holes. everyone has one.[/quote:4e4933d481]

    I kind of agree with this. As much as I love checking out new and original bands it's always more fun if you know the words or know the songs.

    [quote:4e4933d481]Surely the thrust of Griswold's piece is that tribute bands are being put on rather than bands with their own material because club owners (rightly, it has to be admitted) recognise that they are a safer bet financially. [/quote:4e4933d481]

    Is that not how it's always been though? I remember reading stuff about bands like Queen and Rory Gallagher having to play a load of covers along with their own material to please their audience and hence, get more work. Now however, there seems to be a divide where you either play covers or originals and with the exception of the odd cover song most bands never cross this line.
  95. avatar theavenue
    It's not as though there's a thriving local scene here anyway. All too many times I've went to check out bands in Katy Dalys, Auntie Annies or whatever and there's been maybe thirty people there who are all just sitting around talking. If a tribute act can generate a crowd and thus making more money for that pub instead of a band who might pull twenty people if they're lucky, then I know what the smart option is.
  96. avatar chrisjedijane
    wow, it sounds like this tribute band business is pretty lucrative - what the hell am I doing playing original stuff to people who are interested when I can be playing Westlife covers to pissed-up 6th-formers in various hotels for real cash money!

    I fancy starting up a My Bloody Valentine tribute band. anyone with me?
  97. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d90e2dee5e="chrisjedijane"]I fancy starting up a My Bloody Valentine tribute band. anyone with me?[/quote:d90e2dee5e]

    What venue is going to let you live there for weeks simply to get the EQ just perfect on that snare?
  98. avatar astrid
    My first post!
    tribute bands annoy me because of the following:
    a) they charge more than the average band playing their own original material
    b)they constantly pack out places like the empire every saturday nite

    i don't see the point. there's plenty of bands i love and i can understand doing it for the sheer love of a band but more and more often it becomes apparent that its for the sheer greed of money. bands forming all the time knowing if its a tribute its a guaranteed crowd. hence i rarely show up at a tribute unless its really something special.

    there's plenty of people i've seen too going from one tribute band to another and really i don't get the logic of it all. i love different genres of music - but for me the idea of seeing a tribute every week is just a waste of cash. if i wanted to hear or see songs i already know - then i'd put a music dvd on. i'm sure as shit not going to see someone as unique as bon scott in a tribute band - no i'm goin to see some *try* and impersonate him and i doubt anyone could do him and countless other legends justice.
  99. avatar Bobphoenix
    Man, the only thing I hate, is when covers bands get the headlining gig slots over good original bands. I'm talking married-3-kid-office-working-mate-of-your-da-membered covers bands, blasting out Dire Straits to teenagers whos parents don't even remember who Mark Knopfler is...Ok, so it only happened once, but man was it soul destroying...I also hate it when tribute bands drown orphaned puppies...
  100. avatar Pete
    [quote:cf66639b03="astrid"]more and more often it becomes apparent that its for the sheer greed of money.[/quote:cf66639b03]

    Yes, it obviously has to be greed. It's certainly never a matter of some people trying to make a living as professional musicians.

    [quote:cf66639b03="astrid"]for me the idea of seeing a tribute every week is just a waste of cash. if i wanted to hear or see songs i already know - then i'd put a music dvd on[/quote:cf66639b03]

    Great. But plenty of other people don't see it as a waste of cash. It's doesn't make them right and you wrong. Just different.



    Has everyone forgotten that a fair few of the biggest and most influential bands have at one stage or other in their careers played in or as cover bands? The Beatles being the most obvious to jump to mind.

    Playing in a cover band, gigging regularly with a huge potential set list to call on is one of the quickest ways I know of tightening a bunch of musicians into a great live act and broadening their musical palette.

    Yes a tribute act is slightly different as you are attempting to clone something, but I find it hard entertaining the idea that tribute bands are somehow detrimental to the state of emerging talents.

    If I had to list a top 10 list of "things that are killing original music", tribute bands wouldn't even get a look in.
  101. avatar dodgi stereo
    I don't see professional musicians playing music written by others (local or otherwise) having a bad effect on local music at all either.

    Surely learning how to play someone elses music is good for a musician from a technical point of view? Being able to demonstrate musical ability has some merit?

    What are the things which are causing harm to local music though Pete? Would it be people's attitudes?
  102. avatar Strong Reaction
    Tribute bands are disgusting. Though I would go see Snakebite if it was free admission.
  103. avatar rentaghost
    Question to musicians

    if your band had an opportunity to support a tribute band would you do it?
  104. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    [quote:14611168d4]blasting out Dire Straits to teenagers whos parents don't even remember who Mark Knopfler is...[/quote:14611168d4]

    steady on there, Bobby Boy. Don't knock the Straits.

    :shock:
  105. avatar feline1
    The latest trend is for actual original artists to start being tribute bands of themselves -

    for example, last year I went to see Gary Numan perform a Gary Numan Tribute Band set, where he just did his old TELEKON album (from 1981).

    Frankly, it was much better than if he'd played "new stuff", because I, and the couple of thousand other people who'd turned up, all really like those SONGS and want to hear them live.
    Gary Numan did a reasonably good job of performing them properly (I'd give him about 7 out of 10)

    Probably this year I will reluctantly go and the Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark perform as an OMD tribute band, doing the mellotronriffic ARCHITECTURE AND MORALITY album. Which would be a damn sight better than going to see Atomic Bl00dy Kitten.


    I have to be honest and say there are certain songs, or suites of songs, that I like so much, I would quite happily participate in a musical project to do a stage show of them. I mean for instance, performing the entirety of Queen II, or Taking Tiger Mountain (by Strategy), or Dare, or .....
    I mean I've even sung Mozart's Requiem twice!
  106. avatar ratherfunkychemicaljunky
    [quote:274d8bb428]Has everyone forgotten that a fair few of the biggest and most influential bands have at one stage or other in their careers played in or as cover bands? The Beatles being the most obvious to jump to mind. [/quote:274d8bb428]

    Aye that was what I was trying to say.

    I reckon if you want to be a musician full-time you will have to play a lot of covers for a long time to get people into your own music. I also don't blame venues for giving the best (and probably majority of) timeslots to cover/tribute bands that pack the place out. If I was running a business I'd like to make money as well.
  107. avatar LittlrockAx
    Bobphoenix wrote:
    [quote:08a0342d4c]Man, the only thing I hate, is when covers bands get the headlining gig slots over good original bands. I'm talking married-3-kid-office-working-mate-of-your-da-membered covers bands, blasting out Dire Straits to teenagers whos parents don't even remember who Mark Knopfler is.[/quote:08a0342d4c]

    * Takes deep calming breath*

    I'm not sure if I know your da, but I actually am married with three kids, I have a soul destroying office job during the day and I have, on occasion, blasted out Dire Straits to a grateful drunken mob. Original bands that have opened for me on previous occasions have not done so because I stole their gig, but because I offered them an opportunity to play to a crowd of more than just their friends (and a crowd that wouldn't neccessarily see them otherwise). When I was younger older guys that I knew in cover bands did the same for me.(Eamonn from this very board was one of them and he is a key player on the board on which you winge. I'm sure he had a long and colourful music story before I knew him, but I just knew him as the guitar player in one of the biggest cover bands in Belfast and was more than grateful when they let us play in their break. It was Saturday night in the Empire - we had never seen a crowd like it!! :shock: )

    It's no use hating the cover bands because when 99% of the current stock of originals don't get anywhere it just means that in 10 years time [i:08a0342d4c]they'll[/i:08a0342d4c] have to listen to pointless drivel like this from another younger generation telling them that they are killing music etc etc.

    I've made cd's, done TV and radio all to no avail so there is a point when you say "Time to make this work for me for a change" Singing is my one sellable skill, why shouldn't I sell it?

    My current setlist has everything from The Stones to Snow Patrol. Two thirds of the set hasn't really changed that much in 20 years. You know why?

    Because when it comes right down to it most people that I know (no matter what age) will be blocked, headbanging and singing to "You Shook Me all Night Long" or "Proud Mary" long after "Chasing Cars" has ceased to be our most requested song and slips quietly from the setlist.

    Your big mistake is to assume that because a band does covers that they aren't talented, that they are taking a lazy way out([b:08a0342d4c]and worst of all purposely doing somebody else in the eye for it[/b:08a0342d4c]) The most talented musicians (engineers, songwriters, technicians, producers....) that I know are all in covers bands.

    Give it a go if you think it's easy or better still come to a gig with your mates and stand rolling your eyes on the sidelines, but you should rehearse these lines just in case you need them after an hour and half a dozen pints

    "Sweet Home Alabama, where skies are so blue..."
    "What would you do if I sang outta tune....."
    "Naaa Na Na Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Naaaaaa, Hey Jude....."
    (You can be the one that pushes women and children out of the way to get to the mic to sing "Judeee Judeeee Judeee" :wink: )

    You (and a few others on here) should get out more. Enjoy yourselves, have a few drinks. Try and relax and not hate so much because in another 5-10 years if you haven't made it "big" you will be thanking me (or some other mate of your da's :-D ) for putting a bit of work your way (because your third kid has arrived and your crappy government office job isn't making ends meet!)


    *and exhales*

    Ax

    My apologies (again) for the long post. I try to do shorter ones but it never works. :lol: :lol:
  108. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:d4344ed74c="LittlrockAx"]Two thirds of the set hasn't really changed that much in 20 years. You know why?[/quote:d4344ed74c]

    * You can't be bothered to learn new stuff
    * You only own "The Buskers Guide to One Hit Wonders" from 1987
    * Modern songs are a bit shit
    * The people who pay money to see you are all in their mid to late 40s and don't listen to "anything modern" and you know your target audience

    Meh, I jest.

    I have been in the vacinity as covers bands in the past and have in fact enjoyed it. They fulfill the same use as a jukebox, providing background music, and it can be nice to hear a familiar song played in a different manner. A small problem with the few that I've seen is they seem to have a very limited set. By the third time of being in the Empire for Ken Haddock he'd played the same set 3 times and umm, it was a bit dull. And the jazz trio who played downstairs in the Empire on Tuesdays were the same, great musicians, but they always played the same songs.

    As for tribute acts, I'd not go to see them mostly because the bands that get tribute acts forming around them I hate.

    Ultimately I guess its the difference between being artistically creative, or making some money. Some people are lucky and can do both, some people have to choose.
  109. avatar T Entertainment
    The Dangerfields are no Feist/Feist.
  110. avatar theavenue
    You like Feist?
  111. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    [i:3e0aad0d83]"________ is no _________"[/i:3e0aad0d83]

    is no

    [i:3e0aad0d83]"At least _______________. Oh Wait."[/i:3e0aad0d83]
  112. avatar theavenue
    [img:c256d43b79]http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050906/02/1680089099.jpg[/img:c256d43b79]

    Tim Allen, [i:c256d43b79]yesterday[/i:c256d43b79]
  113. avatar chrisjedijane
    [img:91bb32644c]http://www.warprecords.com/media/img/KevinOnStage_forsite.jpg[/img:91bb32644c]

    [i:91bb32644c]kevin shields, yesterday.[/i:91bb32644c]

    [size=7:91bb32644c]please lock this horrible horrible thread.[/size:91bb32644c]
  114. avatar whipchorus
    [img:4f406d550c]http://www.bobgruen.com/files/asst/R.067%20PAUL%20MCCARTNEY%20gtrMSG76.jpg[/img:4f406d550c]

    [i:4f406d550c]Paul McCartney singing ''Yesterday'', yesterday. [/i:4f406d550c]
  115. avatar LittlrockAx
    my-angel-rocks wrote
    [quote:42341581dd]LittlrockAx wrote:
    Two thirds of the set hasn't really changed that much in 20 years. You know why?


    * You can't be bothered to learn new stuff
    * You only own "The Buskers Guide to One Hit Wonders" from 1987
    * Modern songs are a bit
    * The people who pay money to see you are all in their mid to late 40s and don't listen to "anything modern" and you know your target audience

    Meh, I jest.
    [/quote:42341581dd]

    Yeah I know what you mean. :-D The problem is that you can only really change about a third. I, in my soul, despise Brown Eyed Girl, but I have had to play it in every single band I've been in for 20 years (the same goes for Summer of 69, Mustang feckin Sally..... :roll: ) but as soon as you leave it out punters complain about you not doing "the classics"

    Damned if you do.....

    Apart from anything else you don't have a lot of time for rehearsing. It's hard oul grind getting home from Maghera at 4.00 in the morning to have to get back up at 11.00 on Sunday to rehearse new songs for next month.(like this weekend) so you really can't do that every weekend - it just sucks the fun out of it.

    And that is another important part of it. With the right band and the right venue it really is a good laugh. I also play with a midi backtrack 2-piece and it's soul destroying drudgery (apart from the guy I do it with who is a top dude I just can't afford not to do it)

    I think that's my point(eventually!). The people involved are all really sound people and great musicians and all they ever get is flak for providing a good service for a continuing demand. And to be fair I have yet to hear one of them say "Feckin crappy original bands are destroying music and we can't get into xxxx because........"


    You pesky kids leave us alone. You'll need us soon enough.

    :lol: :lol:

    Ax
  116. avatar thecomeons_2
    tribute bands make a change for the people who go to see acts perform cover tunes. if it's a band/performer they like, then they'll go see the tribute band. horses for courses.

    i've been fed up with this peddling-my-originals lark. your average paddy, mick and joe on the street wants to hear tunes he knows when he's drinking or on the pull. a band doing covers can be better to look at than an effing jukebox.

    original bands have a different audience.
  117. avatar Sadoldgit
    I have to admit to seeing the Australian Pink Floyd and being mightily impressed .
    The thing about thr best tribute bands is, they are note perfect , as in , it sounds exactly like it does on the album released 30 years ago.
    See the real thing and years of gigging will have changed the way they play the song.
    The big issue I have with these acts is, venues take the lazy approach of booking crappy tribute bands and good original local bands dont get a look in.
  118. avatar jackryan
    The average joe "knows what he likes and likes what he knows".
  119. avatar nicestmaninrock
    Time to bring this back on. Cover bands are shit.

    Round 2 ding ding
  120. avatar The Ronster
    Ah, but Darren, this is about 'tribute bands' not cover bands.

    Both are shite, but they are different animals.
  121. avatar nicestmaninrock
    I stand corrected good sir

    Death to tribute and cover bands

    thanks Ron
  122. avatar EoinT
    Let's not forget that not everywhere in the world is as open to original bands as Belfast is.
    Back home (Donegal), any band I played in, and any band I knew, had to be at least a part time cover band, because otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the live experience necessary to actually improve as a band.
    Hell, even the Beatles did it (cue posts about how shite the Beatles are, but the point stands).

    But yeah, still no excuse for the dirge of doppelganger style tribute acts...one band in the world playing U2 songs is bad enough.
  123. avatar T Entertainment
    I'm going to this:


    [img:f925dbdbe2]http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/912/32/n174028281166_6490.jpg[/img:f925dbdbe2]

    "In 1985 Marillion release their most commercially succesfull album Misplaced Childhood. Its an album that many of us have grown up with and can all recall memories of different times and places when hearing certain songs.

    To celebrate this we will be doing a special show at the ABC2 in Glasgow. Where we will be playing the album in its entirety, along with a whole lot of other material spanning the back catalogue."




    So fuck Griswold!
  124. avatar Elliot
    [quote:d07308dd05="feline1"]Do we slate the London Philarmonic as a mere "Sibelius tribute band"?[/quote:d07308dd05]

    People don't go to a classical recital to see the performer, they go to hear the music.