1. avatar T Entertainment
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6478329.stm

    By my calculations, given that it takes 30K to run one (withdrawn). Words. Fail.
  2. avatar Chi-Lite
    This is the best bit.....

    [quote:bdbea3eda3]Frankie Gallagher of the UPRG said "the community is the paramilitary organisation... they (the UDA) are an integral part of the community".

    "The money is not going to the UDA, it is not going to UDA personnel or into their coffers," he said.

    "It is going to a legitimate organisation which has existed for some 20 years and which has been at the forefront of peace-building in Northern Ireland and in the Republic of Ireland."[/quote:bdbea3eda3]

    Anybody know what the hell he's talking about? What organisation has existed for 20 years, and been at the forefront of peace building?

    I mean, even if he's just lying, what the hell organisation is he lying about? The UDA has existed for quite a bit more than 20 years, and the UPRG has existed for less than ten years.

    So what the hell's he on about? The Red Hand Commando? Tara?
  3. avatar kingmob
    Is drug dealing and racketeering not as lucrative as it used to be?
  4. avatar Daithi jasper
    Am I reading that wrong or is there no description of what the money is actually for.. opening offices to do what?

    Are they even on ceasefire? Nevermind decommissioning..
  5. avatar Chi-Lite
    Seriously, what a f[b:dfa2d81017][/b:dfa2d81017]ucking joke
  6. avatar T Entertainment
    I've absolutely no doubt whatsoever that it will go on setting up 'private security firms'.
    It would have been so much more seemly if they'd just pulled off a decent bank job like the RA for 'retirement funds', but they're not even capable of that.

    Yeah, I have honestly no idea what group he's talking about - although I think there was something which predated the UPRG and was set up by John McMichael in the mid-eightes, probably means that.
    Ah, the halcyon days of the 'Common Sense' document, spray jobs and doomsday plans.

    OUT OF POSTS: Nah, not the CLMC, there was another UDA 'thinktank' established in - I think - 85, which morphed into the UPRG. I read something about it the other week in David Ervine's bio.

    It's a bribe and as they initially asked for 30million, it's just the first tranche, as no way are those boys settling for a thirtieth of their demands. The breakaway South East Antrim UDA is asking for 5million of its own.
    Meanwhile pensioners wait months in agony for operations. And it's a damn sight more per member than any of the families they bereaved ever got. I...ngh.
    Last edited on , 3 times in total.
  7. avatar kingmob
    Bring back John White and Johnny Adair.
  8. avatar Chi-Lite
    [quote:824bbaa0dc="T Entertainment"]

    Yeah, I have honestly no idea what group he's talking about - although I think there was something which predated the UPRG and was set up by John McMichael in the mid-eightes, probably means that.
    Ah, the halcyon days of the 'Common Sense' document, spray jobs and doomsday plans.[/quote:824bbaa0dc]

    Aye, the Combined Loyalist Military Command.

    But even that only dates back to about '94.

    and the name doesn't suggest any peacebuilding activities now, does it?

    He's just talking s[b:824bbaa0dc][/b:824bbaa0dc]hit then, isn't he. And not even coherent, possibly believable, conceivable s[b:824bbaa0dc][/b:824bbaa0dc]hit, but just something pulled completely out of the air.

    I wonder if I make up a 20 year old peace building group will I get a few quid?

    I mean, it's one thing lying and saying the group you're involved in has been doing something it hasn't, but to just pull some imaginary group out of the air and ask for money is unbelievable.....Did no one think to ask who this group is? You know, this group they're about to hand over a million quid to?

    That Peter Hain's a dirty Afrikaaner bastard, isn't he like.
  9. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:0a8f266a4c="Chi-Lite"][quote:0a8f266a4c="T Entertainment"]

    Yeah, I have honestly no idea what group he's talking about - although I think there was something which predated the UPRG and was set up by John McMichael in the mid-eightes, probably means that.
    Ah, the halcyon days of the 'Common Sense' document, spray jobs and doomsday plans.[/quote:0a8f266a4c]

    Aye, the Combined Loyalist Military Command.

    But even that only dates back to about '94.

    and the name doesn't suggest any peacebuilding activities now, does it?

    He's just talking s[b:0a8f266a4c][/b:0a8f266a4c]hit then, isn't he. And not even coherent, possibly believable, conceivable s[b:0a8f266a4c][/b:0a8f266a4c]hit, but just something pulled completely out of the air.

    I wonder if I make up a 20 year old peace building group will I get a few quid?

    I mean, it's one thing lying and saying the group you're involved in has been doing something it hasn't, but to just pull some imaginary group out of the air and ask for money is unbelievable.....Did no one think to ask who this group is? You know, this group they're about to hand over a million quid to?

    That Peter Hain's a dirty Afrikaaner bastard, isn't he like.[/quote:0a8f266a4c]
    I'm pretty sure the wombles have been going for at least twenty years.
    As for peace I'm not sure but they are pretty good at picking up litter
  10. avatar remaderyan
    [quote:d4cd07e149="my post on bbc news"]No! Of course they shouldnt.

    We're rewarding thugs and murderers by giving them money for all the misery they caused and continue to cause in both communities.

    If this is the governments tactic to stop terrorism why didnt we just pay the IRA in the 60's to stop, sure why stop there lets pay Al-Qa'ida to stop them too. maybe the 7/7 or 9/11 bombers would have stopped if we'd payed them? No of course not. Only in Northern Ireland.

    I'm Discusted.

    Ryan, Belfast


    [/quote:d4cd07e149]

    Kinda says it all really.
  11. avatar I'mDead
    Quick, someone put out the Feline1 signal!!!
  12. avatar DuncanDisorderly
    this will keep them in salmon pink jumpers for a few months
  13. avatar Smallsquare
    This is outrageous. As soon as I heard I did an emergency stop in my taxi, lit an L&B and phoned Steven Nolan.
  14. avatar feline1
    Look I don't see what the fuss is all about!

    I have a few wee murders on the go myself, and I look forward to being able to get government funding.

    I know like in some places that aren't even PROPER countries (e.g. Canada, Denmark, ...) the government will give you funding if you declare yourself to be an "artist" (or whatever the current slang for homosexual prevert is these days).
    But we're not a bunch of fruits like that in NornIrond, are we? and so it's only fit that we should fund non-consensual extortion and stuff instead.

    RASPACKT THE AWTHARATAY OF THE COMMUNITAY!
  15. avatar RAAP Management
    I like this:

    "In return for the funding, the government wants to see the end of all UDA violence and criminality, including extortion rackets and drug dealing.

    If there is no [i:18a8ab21dd]noticeable reduction [/i:18a8ab21dd]in these activities, the UPRG has been told that the funding will be withdrawn"

    So that means if there is only a 'noticeable reduction' - in other words extortion and drug dealing still continuing - they keep the cash. When you're involved in a vast criminal conspiracy, it doesn't take much to demonstrate a 'noticeable reduction'. Outrageous but hard to be shocked by any lengths the government will go to appease thugs and gangsters in this place.
  16. avatar The Weaver
    off topic but.did anyone see who RTE's Late Late show has lined up as a guest?.....Johnny Adair?????????
    Gay Byrne wouldnt shake Gerry Adams hand years ago,so whats this all about?
    hear he has a new book out (colour in?/pop up?)
    Yea the worls has gone mad! :roll:
  17. avatar Smallsquare
    [quote:15e1f558e8="The Weaver"]off topic but.did anyone see who RTE's Late Late show has lined up as a guest?.....Johnny Adair?????????
    Gay Byrne wouldnt shake Gerry Adams hand years ago,so whats this all about?
    hear he has a new book out (colour in?/pop up?)
    Yea the worls has gone mad! :roll:[/quote:15e1f558e8]

    Regardless of your politics, anyone who saw `MacIntyre's Underworld: Mad Dog` will agree Johnny Adair must be given as much TV exposure as possible. It almost justified the invention of television.
  18. avatar feline1
    [quote:742ef2202d="RAAP Management"]Outrageous but hard to be shocked by any lengths the government will go to appease thugs and gangsters in this place.[/quote:742ef2202d]

    Come now, don't be an Enemy of the Peace process.
    The racketeering and murder must be allowed continue if we are to be able to move forward together to find a solution to our difficulties.
  19. avatar gtm
    [quote:5918536fdd="The Weaver"]off topic but.did anyone see who RTE's Late Late show has lined up as a guest?.....Johnny Adair?????????
    Gay Byrne wouldnt shake Gerry Adams hand years ago,so whats this all about?
    hear he has a new book out (colour in?/pop up?)
    Yea the worls has gone mad! :roll:[/quote:5918536fdd]

    Any idea of when he's on?
  20. avatar Mexico
    If i sent a letter to Mr Hain demanding money not to kill/ torture/extort people or sell drugs asking for money not to do it id get rightly laughed at. JUst as "normal" drug dealers get sent down as do "normal" murderers. The backward logic of this country is enough to make you emigrate :x
  21. avatar Baronation
    I don't think cold hard cash is simply being given to thugs to buy cider with, but is used to do things like remove secterian murals (I've noticed a fair reduction, including The Trooper copy from the shops at Cloughfern), employe youth workers, start job clubs, help clubs, youth centres, increase education in deprived areas and provide facilities to help stop teenagers going "hmm lets join the UDA".
  22. avatar Chi-Lite
    I actually agree that there's a lot of knee jerking goes on here. there's no doubt that there are serious issues that need to be dealt with in those communities....issues that need cash.

    I think it's also true that these UDA men ARE a part of the community, and there's no way you can just ignore them and brush them off as gangsters. There's no doubt lots of them are gangsters, but gangsters dont generally get so much support. It's the underlying ideology that they espouse that gets them that support, and so, in attempting to deal with issues surrounding that ideology, you have to deal withthose people.

    BUT AT LEAST INSIST THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST ON NOMINAL CEASEFIRE!

    I agree that you have to engage with these people, and that sooner or later, the communities that they're a dominant part of will need a big cash input. But this cash isn't gonna stop young people joining the UDA, even if it employs youth workers et al, if the UDA are still shooting people, and dealing drugs, and getting handed that money. Even if the UDA gave every penny of it to benefit the community, they're still being given it because they're the UDA. And that's not gonna stop young kids wanting to join them, in no way whatsoever.
  23. avatar kingmob
    I see the timing of [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6480247.stm]Mo Courtney[/url] changing his plea to manslaughter in the Alan McCullough murder case is merely a coincidence as well.

    The comments section on the Beeb has no closed. However, it still allowed this classic. Rocco from Lurgan, take a bow.

    [quote:cea56853ab]How many E's would £1.2 million get you?

    Rocco, Lurgan[/quote:cea56853ab]
  24. avatar Iso9
    i say arrest every known UDA man then execute he and his entire bloodline. problem solved.
  25. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:559c20a6ed="RAAP Management"]If there is no [i:559c20a6ed]noticeable reduction [/i:559c20a6ed]in these activities, the UPRG has been told that the funding will be withdrawn"

    So that means if there is only a 'noticeable reduction' - in other words extortion and drug dealing still continuing - they keep the cash.[/quote:559c20a6ed]

    And even if there is no noticeable reduction, who's gonna have the balls to go to them and ask for it back?
  26. avatar Mexico
    [quote:568147c812="Iso9"]i say arrest every known UDA man then execute he and his entire bloodline. problem solved.[/quote:568147c812]

    even i wouldnt do that

    arrest those found guilty of crimes and make them do [b:568147c812]hard[/b:568147c812] time and not in the adair way (heyhey wink wink)
  27. avatar Ratoot
    [quote:eccab62099]And even if there is no noticeable reduction, who's gonna have the balls to go to them and ask for it back?[/quote:eccab62099]

    Me.
  28. avatar sheriffjohnstone
    [quote:954bf5aed2="Iso9"]i say arrest every known UDA man then execute he and his entire bloodline. problem solved.[/quote:954bf5aed2]

    You should put that case forward. Genocide always works well....oh wait no it doesn't.
  29. avatar nonlogic liam
    So their giving money to a bunch of terrorists in order for them to help
    their communities and evidently stop people joining the UDA? Surely this
    makes little sense, why would an organisation such as the UDA use
    government money in order to reduce their numbers? Besides are not people
    from these "communities" bigoted beyond belief and giving them money will
    simply make them even more powerful? A good kick in the face and a week
    tied to gallows out side city hall would be a far better investment, along
    with a choir of people saying 'no' to them over and over again. Once a
    bigot always a bigot, I should know I've met quite a few people from those
    areas and sectarianism is just like second nature to them, and I'm not just talking about spides.
  30. avatar feline1
    [quote:a52ba2b167="sheriffjohnstone"][quote:a52ba2b167="Iso9"]i say arrest every known UDA man then execute he and his entire bloodline. problem solved.[/quote:a52ba2b167]

    You should put that case forward. Genocide always works well....oh wait no it doesn't.[/quote:a52ba2b167]

    Genocide? Sorry, are the UDA now certifiably a seperate *species* to the rest of [i:a52ba2b167]Homo sapiens sapiens[/i:a52ba2b167]?
  31. avatar Strong Reaction
    Dear Lord.
  32. avatar Baronation
    Maybe the money should be spent on a big fence around these areas?
  33. avatar T Entertainment
    What about the proud people of Monkstown's human raytes tho?
  34. avatar Baronation
    They have the right to a big fence too. Although they are sadly missing a flash point. I guess they could try fighting with the students at Jordanstown?
  35. avatar That Man Fanjo
    I was so disgusted at reading this, I stuck my boot through the computer screen.



    And I'll be sending the UDA the bill.
  36. avatar That Man Fanjo
    [url]http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=94225[/url]


    Give this man a grant.
  37. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    as long as The Somme is successfully remembered it's money well spent.

    etc

    etc

    etfúckingc
  38. avatar 3cigarettes
    We all know we live in a country full of hysterical morons, but some of the replies here are a bit :roll:

    I work in a place called Mediation Northern Ireland, they do all sorts of work trying to mediate between idealogically opposed political parties/paramilitary groups/communities and while I personally don't do the mediation between the groups I know most of the unappreciated folk who do.

    You have to bare in mind these guys are talking to groups of militant nationalists/loyalists/protestants/catholics who have pretty much held the educated citizens of this little hellhole to ransom for nigh on 40 years.

    I could never do their job, it's so painfully laborious and lacks any real reward beyond "oh hey, Flacko's promised not to kill a fenian today" or whatever.

    Seriously though, the only way to stop these morons is to give them incentives, and while any of us with a brain know this money could be better spent on creating some culture in this intellectually starved empirical vacuum, the men responsible for Northern Ireland's dark shítty past still operate, and if we don't get these twats on board they'll just continue to shout and bawl and create havoc.

    The work that must have gone into getting this project into action will have been immense.

    Don't blame the community groups or the government, blame your local UDA/IRA twat for being a fúcking asshole. (If that's what you're all already doing then carry on :P)

    Just sayin :-)
  39. avatar whipchorus
    [quote:d8353a2f9b="nonlogic liam"]Besides are not people
    from these "communities" bigoted beyond belief

    I should know I've met quite a few people from those
    areas and sectarianism is just like second nature to them, and I'm not just talking about spides.[/quote:d8353a2f9b]

    Indeed, basically every and anyone from these communities are up to the eyeballs in bigotry, hatred, and sectarianism. Ludicrous.
  40. avatar feline1
    [quote:c95dce3e24="3cigarettes"]
    Seriously though, the only way to stop these morons is to give them incentives, [/quote:c95dce3e24]

    Spare the rod and spoil the child, y'all! :lol:




    edit:
    re - the liberal guff below -
    How can you excuse this SOCIETY by saying "Society is to blame"!? This IS a society of BIGOTED SPIDES.
    They should be punished, not given a million pounds.
    For example, you could implant a chip in their upper arms which gives them an electric shock every time they try and murder someone.
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  41. avatar Pete
    [quote:fd8c6bbd29="whipchorus"]Indeed, basically every and anyone from these communities are up to the eyeballs in bigotry, hatred, and sectarianism. Ludicrous.[/quote:fd8c6bbd29]

    I don't want to start a 10 page argument (which means I'm probably about to...) but you can't just call them bigots then write them off or fence them in. Yes their actions and attitudes are bigotted and things need changed, but things are that way because of years of tribal divisions and flag flying.

    When Wee Jonty aspires to be a UDA member it's because he has been brought up in an environment that shoves Loyalism down his throat, amongst peers that act like hoods. So he learns by the example of those around him. Then when he has his first kid (at age 15 probably) he brings them up the same way and the whole thing starts again because thats the way things have always been and nobody knows any different.

    That cycle needs to break. I'm not saying I know how and I certainly don't think throwing a million quid at it is the answer. But then neither is dismissing entire communities of people as beyond help.
  42. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:ceee2214b1="Pete"]cycle needs to break[/quote:ceee2214b1]

    That is hitting the nail on the head right there, for just about every aspect of this country's ongoing Issue.

    There's a great bit of thinking on the side of the Garrick bar, I can't recall it exactly from memory but it's something to the effect of "A country with one eye on the past is wise... a country with both eyes on the past is blind."
  43. avatar wild_wonderful
    last time i checked this was fastfude.com for music.

    fuck all this shit.
  44. avatar feline1
    [quote:620ea00258="wild_wonderful"]last time i checked this was fastfude.com for music.

    <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/013.gif' /> all this <img src='http://www.fastfude.org/forums/images/smiles/019.gif' />.[/quote:620ea00258]


    And whats *MUSIC* "for", wild_wonderful?

    Sorry if we are too wild for you on here.
  45. avatar gtm
    [quote:781adf5b38="feline1"][quote:781adf5b38="3cigarettes"]
    Seriously though, the only way to stop these morons is to give them incentives, [/quote:781adf5b38]

    Spare the rod and spoil the child, y'all! :lol:




    edit:
    re - the liberal guff below -
    How can you excuse this SOCIETY by saying "Society is to blame"!? This IS a society of BIGOTED SPIDES.
    They should be punished, not given a million pounds.
    For example, you could implant a chip in their upper arms which gives them an electric shock every time they try and murder someone.[/quote:781adf5b38]

    "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

    Nursery cryme.
  46. avatar The Grace Jones
    This just in...

    [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6483555.stm[/url]
  47. avatar feline1
    [quote:e9b16abf4d="The Grace Jones"]This just in...

    [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6483555.stm[/url][/quote:e9b16abf4d]

    Look, it's all very well for you to carp on about this from yoru Jamaican high life, as you grapple with Roger Moore on top of big red suspension bridges,
    but you have got to raspackt that the UDA are ENTITLED to charge a wee bit extra when protacting members of the COMMUNITAY under the umbrella of their insurance schemes.
  48. avatar The Grace Jones
    Well it's all too easy for you to sneer from amidst the heavy fumes of amyl nitrate clogging the pungent air of the basement flat, but anymore and I'll be giving you the Russell Harty treatment darling.

    Furthermore I am demanding £8.50 from Peter Hain in exchange for not lightly slapping you.
  49. avatar feline1
    Look, Russel Harty was no Parky anyways.

    Moreover, there's no poppers in my flat! (it is terribly dangerous when mixed with sildenafil citrate, don't you know :P )

    I have invoiced Peter Hain for £28.99 just for TYPING this!
  50. avatar RAAP Management
    http://www.myspace.com/peterhain
  51. avatar kingmob
    Lest we forget.

    [quote:2e7739a008="Peter Hain"]Suggestions that the Government would buy off paramilitaries by handing them £70m or £30m are without any foundation whatsoever. Not only are they wrong, they are wilfully mischievous.[/quote:2e7739a008]

    Y'all are wilfully mischevious. Particularly Stephen Nolan.
  52. avatar feline1
    [quote:aec62739a1="Peter Hain"]Suggestions that the Government would buy off paramilitaries by handing them £70m or £30m are without any foundation whatsoever. Not only are they wrong, they are wilfully mischievous.[/quote:aec62739a1]

    And just how much was Peter Hain paid off to make that refutation???