wants to save a life wants to sound like iris, but its not. its prob been featured on the oc or dawsons keek or something...
and the gossip girl has expressed that she doesn't think much of the program that spawned their current success, referring to skins as "the oc on estacy" yet without it they probably wouldn't have the success they now enjoy. and its not a bad tune but its being played far too much - esp by cool fm in attempt to sound "edgy" (tho i still cringe when cool fm talks about people who are "on board" - thats for zane lowe, not for you.)
poses a difficult question doesnt it. you're a small to middling band - and you're offered this chance which will give you lots of exposure and maybe a little cash. perhaps it will help you're band do well, or perhaps it will kill off your "indie credibility" - but then indie credibility won't always pay the mortgage or feed the kids. the dandy warhols, a band of who i am not fond, came up with the delightful analogy of "sucking corporate c*ck, all the way down" when quizzed about the vodafone deal that meant we all had to listen to the bohemian song far more than necessary. they said it would provide the funds to enable them to do whatever they want creatively, but they have never escaped the shadow of that hideously overplayed single.
then there is relish. what happened to them? darlings of the cool fm playlist, rainbow zephyr wasn't a bad tune. then westlife got their grubby mitts on it, but as their fanbase wouldn't have a clue what a rainbow zephyr was (do any of us?) it became the poetically poor "hey whatever" which also sums up westlifes attitude to their own creative process.
yet money is money, and is always useful. what would you do?
take the money and run?
take the money and reinvest in your band?
say no as you might be thought of as "selling out"?
Relish on "Hey Whatever"
Relish today told of their "surprise and delight" that Westlife are to release a re-working of their single Rainbow Zephyr. As you know, Westlife have recorded a version of the Relish track, which will be released in the UK as "Hey Whatever" on September 15.
Only the title and a few lyrics in the chorus have been altered. The single will be the first release from Westlife's new album, due to hit the charts later this year. The song is already being tipped for No 1, which will give Westlife their 12th chart-topper and raise the profile of the Downpatrick outfit.
Relish drummer Karl Papenfus, who wrote the track with his brother Ken, said they were "chuffed to bits" that Westlife had chosen their track. And he said the band were "pleasantly surprised" with the result.
He said, "We had heard that Westlife were fans of our music and we knew that they had been to watch us in concert before. But when they contacted our record company EMI to express an interest in recording Rainbow Zephyr, we were surprised, but chuffed to bits. Ken and I have worked very hard writing our songs, so to have a band like Westlife, who have notched up so many No 1s, record one of our tracks, is a major compliment. We were told that Westlife were looking for a new direction for their next album and we are delighted that Rainbow Zephyr has been given a new lease of life."
Karl said the band did not know what to expect before hearing Westlife's new version. He said, "We wanted it to be representative of our song and when we heard it, I have to say, we were pleasantly surprised. They sing their hearts out on it and I think it's their best song to date."
When Relish released Rainbow Zephyr two years ago, it charted in the Top 20 in Ireland and became something of a cult single among their followers.
Karl said: "If it goes to No 1 for Westlife we'll be thrilled. Whenever they release a song, it's guaranteed to do well."
Chart success will obviously also mean big money for Relish when the royalties come rolling in. Karl said: "Money's never been our motive for being in the music industry. We'll just be pleased that people know the name of Relish."
A spokesman for Westlife's record company BMG confirmed that the Irish band are planning to release their own version of Rainbow Zephyr. He said, "The guys liked the song and decided to record it.They changed the lyrics in the chorus and the title. It's a great song and should go to No 1."
Westlife on Relish
The group recently recorded the video in London, and renamed the Relish track "Rainbow Zephyr" to "Hey Whatever". A spokesperson said, "It's a very uplifting soul-come-rock track that the band just love. I think they've got another big hit on their hands with this release."
Relish's song Rainbow Zephyr was the second single from their debut album, Wildflower. Westlife are long-time fans of the rock band, which features Ken Papenfus, Carl Papenfus and Darren Campbell from Down Patrick in Co. Down.
"They love Relish and regard them as a really talented group so they really wanted to do justice to the song."
thats nice, but where are relish now? a quick google search found me "relish - a grimsby based covers band with a difference!" surely not the same band?
[quote:993a75a96e="The Ronster"]I love The Gossip.
I don't experience the overkill on the radio, cause I don't listen to music radio. End of problem.[/quote:993a75a96e]
Same here and the only time I have to listen to the damn contraption is on my journey to work in the morning.
The Gossip are great and from what I hear she is a great live performer, although she does tend to show too much mid-riff.
As for The Fray, havent heard any of their stuff, so cant comment, although I get a sneaking suspicion I wont be enamoured.
"Ah, but would you make that comment, or care, if she was a bloke?"
Maybe not, but if it was a similarly fat bloke in similarly revealing gear, (a lot of) women definitely [b:aff3d48355]would[/b:aff3d48355].
FFS, she makes a massive selling point out of her 'ugliness' (her word, not mine) so why do people complain when her appearance is commented on?
Her image is as contrived as any member of Girls Aloud / My Chemical Romance / CSS / whoever.
Ah, but would you make that comment, or care, if she was a bloke?[/quote:40eb98feb5]
If she was a bloke and was that size, then yes I would say it. However it is quite refreshing to see a singer who really doesnt give a fvck what he/she looks like or how they behave when popular culture is littered with shows about how we should dress.
To answer the super long post i do believe i would sell out in a second. If some1 says to me we will give u X amount of money to use ur song until every1 is sick of hearing it i would say yes but only if the X amount of money was enough to allow me to concentrate on my music. If selling out is what i have to do so i can quit my job and do music full time than ill do it. Sure respect from your piers and bands that you like is important and its nice to her that ppl like what your doing and respect your music but if that stops just cause you sold a song to Tampax then screw them.
Well for one, it's bollocks that she has made a selling point of her ugliness.
It's clearly a deflecting mechanism, to rob peoples ability to slag her off by doing it herself. I doubt very much that she has chosen to be overweight. As everyone realises by now over-eating is usually as a result of emotional issues (as is under-eating).
As for parity of esteem? So, its ok to have a go at fat women, because women would have a go at fat blokes?
Funny, that sort of thinking is what's resulted in a lot of knee-cappings in this part of the world.
But sure, she's just a fat bird, so it doesn't really matter does it?
F[b:eb589ef869]u[/b:eb589ef869]cking rise above it. It's clear she does.
She was in the papers last week saying exactly the opposite of that tho! 'I love being this size, it's liberating, I don't want to change' etc.
There is no way this is just a case of media manipulation - this has clearly been a mutually beneficial two way street.
Fair fux to them too but forgive me (Ron) if my heart does not bleed big bloody tears at the wee lamb's plight. She's doing fine BECAUSE of her image, not in spite of it.
The point I made about her mid-riff was relating to a photo I seen in a recent online review of their SXSW show, it was quite disturbing to say the least, however it doesnt detract from my appreciation of their music.
So, she started a band and then decided to put on a load of weight in order to garner record sales? Is that your argument?
To my eyes she just seems to be a woman who doesn't see why she should be ashamed of her body, and has no problem talking about it, no doubt because music journalists (a spectacularly unimaginative breed) can't see beyond her weight and assume that's BOUND to be all she wants to talk about, along with her being gay (cause, you know, that's all gay people talk about - being gay, loving other gays, having a gay old time).
[quote:8680b8b7cd]Oh, the humanity! Also, what the f*ck are you talking about?! That doesn't make an iota of sense. [/quote:8680b8b7cd]
I'm clearly talking about the 'What's good for the goose' mindset that was being espoused RE: commenting on people's bodies, and comparing it to the 'Whataboutery' that abounds here.
[quote:8680b8b7cd]Are you having your period?[/quote:8680b8b7cd]
"if you are in a band and do an interview with the COCKING OBSERVER FOOD MONTHLY MAGAZINE you are clearly the driver behind your media image, not the other way around."
I did not know this, but nor am I surprised. And yes, yes it certainly does demonstrate that!
I don't like them but that's a different issue from pointing out that their ubiquity and full embrace of the media merry-go-round is a result of careful image projection and management. They've done very well out of it. I may turn into a 'feeder' of Griswold, actually... :P
I'd also like to point out that I don't hate their music, it's 'quite good' but I've been driven to dislike the whole package by the way they've been whored around the place. I mean, fair enough but see it for what it is: a business driven circus and unquestionably a challenge to f*ck all in the gender status quo.
Oh and as for her being unhappy with her weight or whatever...
"BETH DITTO has ramped up her campaign against size zero girls, insisting she LOVES it when people call her a “fat ugly b*tch”.
Her band THE GOSSIP recorded three live tracks for my new Bizarre Podcast and popped into the office for a chat afterwards.
Beth revealed how she enjoys the repulsion that some “normal” people feel for her.
The 15-stone singer told me: “I read things where people call me a ‘fat ugly b*tch’ and, you know what? I am a fat ugly b*tch and it’s amazing! I feel like ugly is beautiful.
“I am at the point where I can take that as a real compliment.
“If normal people don’t get it and aren’t open to it then that’s fine. I have lots of people who understand.”
It’s a philosophy that the band take with them for their riotous live shows — one of which recently saw Beth dressed in a shiny blue bodysuit and killer heels.
When asked what they wanted fans to take away afterwards, the band all replied: “Sweat, puke, urine, faeces, bodily fluid . . . and maybe to have fun.”
Beth added: “I’d like people to leave with either a feeling of inclusion or absolute disgust. I really like the idea of normal people being disgusted and disturbed!” Beth also says she is proud of troubled pop pin-up BRITNEY SPEARS for shaving off all her hair.
She said: “I’m loving it. If you think what her hair meant to her and what it did to a generation of little girls — she did really turn out a generation of little Britneys.
“And for this to happen is one of the most radical things ever.
“It’s sad and she is sick, but it can also be amazing and empowering. I am going to post her a copy of Rebel Girl lyrics by US punk band BIKINI KILL.”[/b:6ae28959f7]
Justin Hawkins exposes way too much midriff also.
He may do, but I was never a fan of the Darkness and therefore couldnt care less if he slit his midriff open and pulled out all manner of entrails.
The image was haunting, that is all. If anyone on here has seen said image they will understand where I am coming from.
the gossip have been making music for a very long time and as has been pointed out here, played belfast a few years back. they had the exact same (alledged) 'careful image projection and management' back then - she was always outspoken, political etc...always has behaved that way onstage and has been the same shape from the start. she says what she says and does what she does - always has.
it's just this one song and the fact it's been everywhere (helped by some decent club friendly mixes) for a long time (almost a year) which is why the band are doing so well all of a sudden.
i honestly don't understand how someone could grow to dislike a band because of an apparant business driven circus which only exists in peoples heads.
You've never grown sick or even slightly weary of an act because of their utter ubiquity which is astronomically out of proportion to their talent, substance or importance? And I completely disagree, the Gossip are a text book case of anti-image marketing, the fact that they have been hawking that image with much less success up until recently is irrelevant.
The dance remixes have certainly helped, yes - the original is just alright.
You don't end up in the 'cocking (TM kingmob) Observer Food Monthly' or voted coolest person of the year by the NME or staggering about the pages of Bizarre in the Sun every other day through anything other than extremely clever, focused marketing. That's fair enough as a business strategy but as a consequence they are way, [i:1210c62799]way[/i:1210c62799] beyond saturation point.
"apparant business driven circus which only exists in peoples heads."
We'll have to agree to differ on that one - to me it's clear as day that such an apparatus has built up around that band.
I mean, jesus christ, if at the time of Crooked Rain Crooked Rain Stephen Malkmus did Gap ads, Range Life soundtracked an advert for a popular teen drama, Bob Nastanovich had a regular high profile racing tipsters column in a tabloid newspaper, Spiral Stairs was in all the gossip pages and a media rentaquote and cars and shops blasted out "5-4 = Unity" all the time, I would get sick of Pavement instead of thinking they are The Greatest Band of All Time.
It's frustrating re: The Gossip. They are a good band and I like their latest album. But people will get sick of them if this high level of media intensity continues. It got them where they are today and they've used it extremely well but there is always a threshold point with these things.
Said image, I understand if this is taken down, for apparent reasons.[/quote:72942400cb]
The fact that someone is "disturbed" by the sight of a woman's flabby midrift is the exact reason why Beth Ditto quite defiantly does what she does, bless her.
I am a fat woman and I don't have a problem with it,mostly I don't even have a problem with you having a problem with it because when you make comments like that, I presume you're an idiot and mostly I want to laugh at you. Emotional problems cause people to be fat??? Jesus, where are you guys getting this stuff from? Your mother's Take-a-Break?
And there i was thinking I had just inherited my grandmothers large arse...
I really don't give a damn if there is gender equality in the fat phobia rampant on here, but it makes me want to slap someone when so called alternative types bitch about people selling out and media blah blah when it is quite obvious that media manipulation of you yourselves what is informing most of your opinions. Try reading some zines, books, anything other than the bloody NME. Educate yourselves for god's sake and stop taking mass media as some sort of truth.
Beth is a kind and funny woman, she does what she does because she loves it and as someone lucky enough to be her friend I am absolutely thrilled that she is having a blast with all this right now. She has never once said that she would prefer to be skinny and if she ever does, someone should look for pods under her bed. If the media furore ended tommorrow, she really wouldn't give a shite, she's got way more to her life than that. Kudos is not "selling out", she is and will always be a political activist and it's so great to have someone with actual real opionions instead of studied apathy in the media spotlight. It makes a difference to kids who have to listen to fat phobic and homophobic comments every day of the week.
The Gossip have been playing for over 6 years, like em or don't like em, it's a matter of taste and fair enough. But they were blowing people away years before bloody Skins, stop bitching just because you're only catching up now due to tabloids and TV. Better still, ditch the tabloids and TV.
Personally speaking i heard the song before i saw her still thought it was annoying. Probably more down to the who0o0o's and o0o0o's in it they do my head in. FAir play to a larger lady for getting ahead in the bizniz and all but havent we had a similar debates on fastfude countless times to little or no consequence :!:
Ruth, you seem to have missed my point. As a fan of The Gossip (not through the promotional video for Skins or through the NME's type) I was merely pertaining to her size as being unattractive to me in a sexual way. It may be a touch shallow, but hey arent we all in some respect or another.
I really don't care what size she is but it is undeniable that her (anti-)image is as intensively media managed as that of Peaches Geldof, Lily Allen or Amy Winehouse. You simply don't get this sort of blanket coverage otherwise - it never, ever happens.
That's not even a criticism, it's a statement of fact.
Hmmmm..I don't think that anyone has ever gotten that hurt or made to feel a bit shit about themselves because of someone not liking a band.
I personally don't fancy men, unnaturally boney women or people who like Keane or Coldplay but I wouldn't dream of telling them to put it away (oh...I lie..Coldplay, put it away) Personal taste is personal taste, but c'mon no one here was just saying "I don't fancy her", it was getting a bit "fat...hee heee...really don't want to be seeing that".
That's just juvenile and there's no excuse.
Bratmobile are great! Give me The Gossip live anyday though.
I've liked the fray for ages, since before they got all famous and stuff.
I dunno if you're talking about that anymore, but i also noticed something about the gossip.
i only like the remix of standing in the way of control.
i can't dance to the normal version.
also, the remix reminds me of skins which is possibly the best tv show ever.
but did anyone else think the last episode was a bit pants?
[quote:16dac2a98e="The Ronster"]Does [i:16dac2a98e]every[/i:16dac2a98e] thread have to descend into this now?[/quote:16dac2a98e]
Of course because fastfuders all seem to think they're comedians. There's this "___ is no ____" and putting up a picture and writing "_______, [i:16dac2a98e]yesterday[/i:16dac2a98e]" beneath it which is the one that really annoys me. It's just...not f'in funny. Never has been, never will.
[quote:bbfb41ad85="theavenue"]Of course because fastfuders all seem to think they're comedians. There's this "___ is no ____" and putting up a picture and writing "_______, [i:bbfb41ad85]yesterday[/i:bbfb41ad85]" beneath it which is the one that really annoys me. It's just...not f'in funny. Never has been, never will.[/quote:bbfb41ad85]
Collectively we are all very sorry that we have failed to entertain you. We will try harder in the future.
"To be honest, there isn't any question I wouldn't want to be asked. Even if it's personal. Even if it's scary. Even if it's, "How do you take in your trousers so that they fit you properly?" I'm up for all of it. Bring it on!"
Kingmob, one year on, have your colleagues grown to accept your brave move to take Beth's advice on your trousers?
My waistband has shrunk over the past year to reflect my new fangled cock of the walk, shambling bohemian genius gadfly about London town demeanour. I have a new hat too.
I see haters but I don't care. They are as jealous as people who criticise Jodie Marsh.
[Have to admit, fair play for her for sticking with this. I assume this would have been one of the great forgotten Guardian yoof ideas, like Peaches Geldof's column and Max's travel blog. (Yes, I know it's probably written by some 55 year old sub)]
[quote:e26045e3d0="kingmob"]They are as jealous as people who criticise Jodie Marsh.[/quote:e26045e3d0]
There're a lot of valid reasons for slagging off Jodie Marsh that have nothing to do with Jealousy. Oh and poor Max and his travel blog, little darling. I hope he's currently getting bummed in a bangkok prison cell.