1. avatar rentaghost
    I've noticed a trend developing where guitarists etc seem to be expecting me to provide them with jack leads when they play the cafe.

    I currently provide the PA, XLR cables and DI boxes, and usually the musicians bring their instrument, jack lead and any pedals they want to use.

    Is this the norm or am I doing something different to what happens in other places?

    Just curious.
  2. avatar Danny McCormack
    It's not unreasonable to expect jack leads at a venue IMO, if you are providing everything else. However any musician worth their salt will bring everything they need. It may be useful to buy a few just in case someone forgets their leads, it happens at the worst of times and is actually a genuine reason.
  3. avatar rentaghost
    i think i have a few kicking about the house, but the thing is that when I started running gigs, I was told that it was the norm for people to bring them. I suppose I'm just checking if thats actually the case.
    All our equipment is borrowed and jack leads aren't included in that arrangment.
  4. avatar greensleevesisgod
    I always bring my own but that's cause I play a tank and a telephone switchboard. ..Well I wish. I only need 3 jack leads.

    I think if you're going to be serious about playing gigs, the least you could do is buy a couple o leads. O_o
  5. avatar T Entertainment
    "I was told that it was the norm for people to bring them."

    Anywhere normal. What IS the deal with so many musicians in Belfast not bringing anything with them?! Surely you should want to use your own equipment which you know works?!
    NGH...
  6. avatar Dirty Stevie Grizz
    i aint bringin' jack.

    :-D
  7. avatar racecarisracecarbackwards
    I think guitarists and bassists should be expected to bring their own leads. Hell, some guitarists even say their leads contribute to "their sound".
  8. avatar BookBookBook
    I've never expected a jack lead at a gig. Even at Common Grounds.
  9. avatar chrisjedijane
    I think any player who is expecting to be "plugged in" should bring their own jack lead. It doesn't cost a lot of money to buy a cable, and it's not like it's a big hassle to bring one.


    Personally, I don't need even need a jack cable. Cos I'm brilliant ;)
  10. avatar rentaghost
    no dear. we just plug you in directly. and people think thats a perm. cuh.
    [img:39184e0f31]http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/12/PH2005081200889.jpg[/img:39184e0f31]
  11. avatar chrisjedijane
    as many a gran has told me "some people would pay good money to have hair like yours".

    I get the feeling that these people are all locked away in mental institutions.
  12. avatar thecomeons_2
    do you provide guitars too?
  13. avatar Telefan1
    what about backing bands? do you provide them as well?
  14. avatar T Entertainment
    "as many a gran has told me "some people would pay good money to have hair like yours".

    I get the feeling that these people are all locked away in mental institutions."

    :lol:

    (BTW: I'd pay really good money merely for just more hair, even if it had to be absurdly curly. I think.)
  15. avatar chrisjedijane
    I could save you my offcuts from my next haircut if you'd like?

    (and yes, I do get regular haircuts, contrary to popular belief...) :)
  16. avatar jackryan
    I think bands have got really lazy these days. how can you expect to be in a band but not own any essential equipment.

    I co-run a rock night down in Banbridge and when you ask some headline acts to bring their own drums, amps etc you would think you had asked them to saw off their limbs.
  17. avatar remaderyan
    Surely any musician who plays an electric instrument at a gig will have practiced and therefore own a lead. You wouldnt provide strings so why would you provide something as easy to break as a lead??

    I've seen bands bring only guitars to gigs, drummers who dont bring anything(not even sticks). Its dumb.

    Maybe have a couple incase someone genuinely has forgotten them but I wouldnt have a band back if they expected leads to be provided.
  18. avatar The Fires of Hell
    I cant believe this thread even exists.


    Who in the name of f**k doesnt bring a jack lead to a gig????

    The mind boggles.
  19. avatar T Entertainment
    In my experience, this not bringing your own gear business just doesn't happen anywhere else - or certainly not to anywhere near the same extent.
    Another symptom of the Northern Irish's profoundly over-developed sense of entitlement? Discuss.
  20. avatar dynamoJoni
    I cant believe someone would show up with out a jack lead, i carry two jacks to gigs and i'm a drummer this seems ridiculous !
  21. avatar thefatson
    Of course you should.
    Sometimes I forget though.
    If some one else playing forgot one I would not think twice about lending mine so I expect the same.
    So I vote depends.
  22. avatar Wd-adam
    This is mental, I bring extra leads to a gig incase one buggers up or someone else forgets their leads.
  23. avatar feline1
    Anyone who doesn't bring a jack lead to a gig should be made to play the entire show in their vest and underpants. 8)
  24. avatar comprachio
    we bring all our own leads (plus spares) cos they are quality ones. We also bring our own DI units cos I think its unfair to expect every venue to have 7 DIs to spare on a single band
  25. avatar Daithi jasper
    I've never heard of the like of that, what mentalist doesn't bring a guitar lead?

    Oh just thought as its Common Grounds is it acoustic players who aren't used to being plugged in or something.. even so.. like.. buy a lead..
  26. avatar die the flu
    I have played two gigs in my life where other band members have failed to actually bring their own guitars with them.

    [img:b634781964]http://www.carly.me.uk/archives/andy.jpg[/img:b634781964]
  27. avatar die the flu
    And for the record, I reckon if you're going to play a gig you should have you're own guitar, amp, pedals, leads, 4-ways, power adaptors, spare strings and picks with you unless expressly agreed otherwise beforehand.
  28. avatar tinpot anto
    4-ways are debateable.

    Just don't act like a wab if you turn up and ask for something and you are told to feck off round to the shop for it.
  29. avatar die the flu
    Most venues will have a few 4-ways knocking about, but sometimes there aren't enough or they don't stretch to where you need them to.

    Like I said, I'd bring *everything* I use or expect to use at a gig, that way I'm not creating any problems.
  30. avatar Daithi jasper
    Yep, certainly if you have an unusual setup, like loads more things than normal that have plugs or you use 4 vocal mics or the like. That only makes sense to make your life easier.
  31. avatar huggy baps
    we played a gig once where one of the bands asked us for leads, pics, a guitar and after we arrived with no bass amp, demanded we get one or they are not playing!! Fúck that was funny! :lol: Strangely enough they were shíte[/u]
  32. avatar comprachio
    i think if you need a lot of power outlets then bring extensions as a rule.

    We use about 10 plugs. Always bring a six-way adapter. Usually its needed.
  33. avatar Baelmammon
    Comprachio whats the name of your band I've forgotten?
  34. avatar jenniemcc
    It's drummers turning up with no sticks that really makes me laugh. :shock:
  35. avatar Daithi jasper
    [quote:488af075d2]Comprachio whats the name of your band I've forgotten?[/quote:488af075d2]

    Rikmandu
  36. avatar Iso9
    :lol:
  37. avatar Baelmammon
    [quote:46a0e47726]Rikmandu[/quote:46a0e47726]

    What ever happened to Rikmandu?
  38. avatar shuck norris
    I reckon there should be an obligatory sausage supper too as I cant play without one, although this sort of leads into the dreaded rider topic.

    I once played a gig where the the bass player had no guitar and none of the other bands would lend him one as he was a knob and the drummer couldnt play the kit provided as it had 'too many fekin bits to it' so needless to say they didn't get playing. Also another drummer from many moons ago once told me he couldn't play as the kit was right-handed and he played left-handed. I always wondered about that one.
  39. avatar The Grace Jones
    [quote:136fe86a33="shuck norris"] he couldn't play as the kit was right-handed and he played left-handed. I always wondered about that one.[/quote:136fe86a33]

    Thats easily fixed by having the drummer sit upside down.
  40. avatar Chi-Lite
    Well, it's not unusual to have to rearrange the kit to fit the lefties. It's a pain in the hole like, but it's no reason not to actually play the gig.

    I once turned up at a gig with not even a pair of drumsticks. Lucky enough, I'm so class that people were queueing up to lend me them. :P True story.
  41. avatar LittlrockAx
    I've played gigs for a long, long time and I still think it's a magic bonus when a venue provides the PA. (It saves you having to hump desks and speakers up and down stairs and gets you a wee bit more cash in hand! :wink: )

    Take a stand. No gear - no play. Teach these lazy monkeys to have a bit of decency. Apart from rare genuine slip-ups I have always worked with people who have always turned up for a gig with ALL their own gear.

    I didn't even realise that these other sorts actually existed.

    *walks off shaking head and mumbling "Mutley" stylee*

    Ax
  42. avatar huggy baps
    [quote:29c1cdaa46="Chi-Lite"]Well, it's not unusual to have to rearrange the kit to fit the lefties. It's a pain in the hole like, but it's no reason not to actually play the gig.

    I once turned up at a gig with not even a pair of drumsticks. Lucky enough, I'm so class that people were queueing up to lend me them. :P True story.[/quote:29c1cdaa46]

    ach nah, we've a lefty drummer, only takes 5 mins to switch the gear around leek
  43. avatar exitonline
    Im Not honestly supprised by this at all. We have had bands arrive asking us if they can borrow a guitar 'cus they didnt bring their own. Also, drummers not bringing their own snare and cymbals. Personally any fool that arrives to a gig without a guitar etc deserves alll that they get. The person in question was promptly told to **** off home. Likewise was a drummer that turned up without his own snare.

    Each member of the band should bring everything they expect to use at a gig and not depend on other people.
  44. avatar ratherfunkychemicaljunky
    Things my band members have forgotten:

    Strings
    Leads
    Floor tom legs
    Footswitch
    Money to pay soundman
    Drummer
    Trousers (Seriously)

    There's more but I forget. Still, we never expected anybody to give it to us. We just lost all our takings of the door in taxi fare money :(
  45. avatar Per
    I always bring a second guitar in case something goes wrong with my main one, not showing up with any at all is ridiculous. Unless you can MacGuyver one out of an icecream tub and some elastic bands.
  46. avatar stevieo
    Even in my super impoverished days I had a lead. I forgot the odd strap but I had had a long falling out with reality back then. I think anyone out there putting on gigs, lay down the law to these eejits.
  47. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    How about bands sort out a bass amp between them. I don't know how many times, we've had bands trying to take the fvckin pish, by saying they can't bring the bass amp to a gig.

    Well you fvckin can, cause I said so, and if I have to hire one, then don't expect any money at the end of the night you lazy tossers.
  48. avatar Pete
    I can't understand why a band wouldn't be pushing as hard as they can to be able to use their own equipment. I was always a bit peeved when I had to use someone elses bass amp, even if it was a good one, because I knew the sound and feel of my own setup and have been fine tuning it for years.
  49. avatar Chi-Lite
    Simple answer really Pete....

    Because it's an absolute pain in the hole trying to bring big gear like bass amps and drumkits, especially if you don't drive.

    I mean, [i:fef4654006]ideally[/i:fef4654006], I'd always like to use my own drumkit, because I've been fine tuning it for years.......

    but then, [i:fef4654006]ideally[/i:fef4654006], I'd like someone else to carry the f[b:fef4654006][/b:fef4654006]ucking thing out to a car, drive it to the gig, and carry it up the stairs.

    It's not sheer laziness like, but sometimes it really is difficult to bring big gear like that, and even more difficult to get it home later that night. So quite often, even though you'd [i:fef4654006]like[/i:fef4654006] to use your own gear, you're glad to be able to use somebody else's instead.

    Nothing wrong with that.

    Although a jack lead can slip easily into your pocket like, there's no excuse for that.
  50. avatar dirty stevie smitty
    The bass amp ballix, has been an ongoing comedy feautre of Club NI:NG gigs for months. I've taken the attitude now, that if you really give a fvck about your band and how you sound, then sort it out.

    There are far too many lazy f##kers out there, who wonder why people think their bands are sh1te, when they can't be bothered to bring their own gear and take something like that seriously.
  51. avatar feline1
    although in fairness,
    usually when I bring lots of gear to a gig,
    soundmen throw an eppo fit and start panicking.
    I mean it was only ever a few wee wires!
    [img:35ff17a919]http://members.lycos.co.uk/felinedream/electrogogo/wideband.jpg[/img:35ff17a919]

    edit:
    No they weren't just for show!
    Here is the schematic! :lol: :lol:
    [img:35ff17a919]http://members.lycos.co.uk/felinedream/electrogogo/wires.jpg[/img:35ff17a919]
    Last edited on , 1 times in total.
  52. avatar Pete
    I still think about 70% of those cables are just for visual effect!
  53. avatar T Entertainment
    The major reason people don't bring their gear is because they want to get wasted at the gig, surely? And can't be arsed with the hassle of looking after and transporting an amp or kit?
    Seriously, you should try turning up at a gig in Dublin, Glasgow or London without crucial bits of your backline.
    Every gig should be treated as a professional night's work. If you're really up for getting somewhere. If you're not, fine like.
  54. avatar Mexico
    I remeber an old guitarsist in one of my former bands turned up to back to back gigs with no gear at all. Needless to say we played both as a four piece and soon turfed him out.

    Theres really no excuse for turning up without a lead mind
  55. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:a850f91e52="T Entertainment"][b:a850f91e52]The major reason people don't bring their gear is because they want to get wasted at the gig, surely?[/b:a850f91e52] And can't be arsed with the hassle of looking after and transporting an amp or kit?
    Seriously, you should try turning up at a gig in Dublin, Glasgow or London without crucial bits of your backline.
    Every gig should be treated as a professional night's work. If you're really up for getting somewhere. If you're not, fine like.[/quote:a850f91e52]


    In Common Grounds?

    Maybe its because ours are early gigs and people havent woken up yet.

    You know, from talking to other people I think we actually provide quite a bit more than some other venues in the town, and then i get this vacant, hopeless look when I mention jack leads.

    Sort it out!

    also:

    If people need and forget a bass amp at our gigs they tend to only do it once. I lend them a mahoosive Trace Elliot job that just happens to be sited up two flights of stairs, and which, (usually being gentlemen) they have to carry down then carry back up again.
    It really is easier to bring a small one of your own.

    also:

    I once had to lend a solo guitarist a guitar as well as a jack lead.
    he shall remain nameless but he is big and famous for his indoor puffa coat-wearing.
  56. avatar exitonline
    [quote:fdd6f759ec="T Entertainment"]
    Seriously, you should try turning up at a gig in Dublin, Glasgow or London without crucial bits of your backline.
    Every gig should be treated as a professional night's work. If you're really up for getting somewhere. If you're not, fine like.[/quote:fdd6f759ec]

    Exactly this really is the crucial statement. If you dont give a #### about your bands music or your band then dont turn up with gear. But if you do then you'll treat every show like its your last and your best. When we were touring around England (brought all of our backline by the way on the trip in a large van) we found venues very strict on gear and sound check times and we actually saw one band losing their slot because they turned up late for soundcheck, so I can only imagine what would have happened if they arrived without gear.

    [quote:fdd6f759ec="rentaghost"][
    I once had to lend a solo guitarist a guitar as well as a jack lead.
    he shall remain nameless but he is big and famous for his indoor puffa coat-wearing.[/quote:fdd6f759ec]

    Well there really is no hope for people is there...you should have shown him the door. If you cant even be bothered to show up with a guitar then you really aren't taking gigging seriously. Its sort of rude to expect people to pay in to listen to you (or even the venue to pay you) if you cant even be bothered to bring a guitar or the equipment you need.
  57. avatar LittlrockAx
    rentaghost wrote :

    [quote:035fb19091]You know, from talking to other people I think we actually provide quite a bit more than some other venues in the town, and then i get this vacant, hopeless look when I mention jack leads.

    Sort it out!

    also:

    If people need and forget a bass amp at our gigs they tend to only do it once. I lend them a mahoosive Trace Elliot job that just happens to be sited up two flights of stairs, and which, (usually being gentlemen) they have to carry down then carry back up again.
    It really is easier to bring a small one of your own.

    also:

    I once had to lend a solo guitarist a guitar as well as a jack lead.
    he shall remain nameless but he is big and famous for his indoor puffa coat-wearing.[/quote:035fb19091]

    You really have much more patience than I have (which is probably why I don't put gigs on :lol: )

    Honest to feck. I would be saying "The venue provides the PA for free, but any equipment that your band doesn't want to bring themselves (ie can't be bothered transporting) I'll be happy to rent to you for a small fee"

    Serious bands won't care (they'll be bringing their own anyway) and wasters won't want to know (so the venue saves itself a sheeite band anyway)

    It's win-win. :-D

    Ax
  58. avatar BookBookBook
    [quote:c1d9d338d5="rentaghost"]
    In Common Grounds?
    [/quote:c1d9d338d5]

    Speculating, it could be the case that, because Common Grounds hosts smaller, 'acoustic' based acts, and more often than not, a single singer/songwriter using a guitar, these people may not have the same gigging experience as others except maybe the occasional open mic (where everything is supplied), and they might not understand that one needs to come totally prepared.

    For full bands playing Common Grounds, there's absolutely no excuse.
  59. avatar LittlrockAx
    I honestly don't think there is an excuse for anyone. If anything the people I know that do open mic and smaller gigs like that are even more uptight about bringing their own gear.

    Because it's only them and an instrument they want it to sound just right so they just don't take any chances and bring everything that they might need.

    Another thing I was thinking about was that any drummer that I have played with in various bands would always just say no to anyone wanting to use their gear. (unless it was someone they had a prior arrangement with and who they knew loved their kit as much as they did!) They had spent hundreds (and over the years probably thousands) of pounds building the thing up, taking care of it and upgrading it.

    My current drummer is exactly the same. Just don't ask - he'll just say no. As far as I'm concerned he's perfectly within his rights to do so. His full kit is worth more than my car and I wouldn't let anyone drive my car! (especially if they've left theirs at home cos they wanted to have a few drinks)

    Ax
  60. avatar TheJebs
    Seriously why unless you had a prior arrangement would you ever turn up without your own kit. It just makes u look like a fool and doesn't endear you to the venue.
    Soundmen & venue staff are almost as important as an audience, cos thats were reputations are made, if you can't be bothered don't expect them to knock their pans out to help you.
    As for the excuse of 'its so heavy' get a life!! learn how to pack your own kit, be self reliant, remeber K.I.S.S. there is no point having a 132 piece kit and then whinging about carrying it up stairs, u bought it u carry it