Due to unforseen circumstances this Friday has become available to the millions...and millions of you band folk out there.
As per usual I've been tasked with trying to sort something out for the bar so...
Are there any bands who would be interested in playing on Friday?
Basically I'd be looking for 4 or 5 bands to play half an hour each and it would run like the usual wednesday night gigs at the bar,ie. any profits split between the acts that play.
Also I need to know by 11.30pm tonight if this is gonna happen so if you are interested please send an email to...
or reply here.
I'll contact those who are interested tomorrow afternoon and then post here if it's gonna happen.
Can all interested parties please let me know what backline they have available as that will be shared between those who would participate.
Thanks for reading,
Okay,I've a few are interested but I need a band to bring a d/kit.
If anyone who's emailed me,who hasn't let me know what they can bring...PLEASE let me know asap.
The event is still open to all so if ya wanna,send me an email.
I've gotta go and I'll continue this tomorrow.
Thanks to all concerned who've replied so far.
Okay,since no one who's emailed me has a drum kit available it ain't looking too good.
If anyone sees this tonight who's interested and can supply a drum kit,can you phone me on ...
I have phone contacts for Autorun and Canizares so can the people from Niyah Sky and The November Criminals please text or contact me on the number above please.
Basically I'll hold out as long as I can to try and make it happen but if I can't get a kit then I'll need to contact y'all to let you know.
Thanks for your time.
So here, I'm hardly thru the door when your man from Autorun gives it
'yo mate, lend us your snare'
'eh? My snare? Not a chance'
'here fak sake leek i brought the drum kit'
'u went to all the trouble of bringing the kit and u didn't bring a snare?'
'my da couldnt fit it in his car'
'Sorry man, cant help u'
'then u cant use my kit then'
all right mate, he brought the kit and his something was wrong with his snare hence why it wasn't there. Our drummer brought his own snare but it is recked as the snare tape had to be repaired recentley, so autorun were not happy about using it. so i think it was a reasonable thing for you to lend him your snare, as he brought the rest of the kit.
( I may be completely wrong here ) but the impression im getting from this is that autorun didnt really do anything wrong as such. They brought the drum-kit and were willing to let everyone use it. They have asked for a snare drum and were basically told to go do one. the other drummer was prepared to take but not prepared to give. Doesnt really seem right but hey thats just my opinion. All the that matters is that the gig went ahead and it was good.
People have asked to use my amp at loads of gigs before and i have never thought about it twice.Its never been a bother. Someone once asked can i use your guitar and i obviously said no as thats crossing the line. They could for example snap my strings, feck up the intonation, put their mingy sweat all over my fretboard, drop my guitar etc etc and then im fecked instead of them and this scenario is exactly the same.
Cymbals and snares are highly personal bits of (expensive)gear. In my mind its etiquette to not even go near asking to borrow this kind of gear and if you do you should expect to hear no. Whats particularly funny about this incident is that the Autorun drummer proceeds to then throw his toys out of the cot and say you can't use my drums then. Pure class if your playing the playground but unfortunately this aint school!!!!
Only one more faux pas for the set of 3 boys!!!! At least make the next one a bit more rock and roll though will you!!
[quote:d0483158ad="thenovembercriminals"]no you are right that was pretty much it. autorun are in the right.[/quote:d0483158ad]No that isn't the way it works.
No drummer should ever [u:d0483158ad]expect[/u:d0483158ad] to use another's snare. They're expensive and very personal. It would be like a guitarist turning up without his guitar and expecting to borrow one. It makes no difference that Autorun's drummer brought the rest of the kit.
The normal procedure for small gigs is that one drummer kindly volunteers to share his or her kit. But the other drummers must bring their own snare, cymbals and pedal. And sometimes seat.
In an emergency, people will help each other out. But "wouldn't fit in the car" doesn't sound like an emergency to me.
For completeness, it's usual for guitarists and bass players to agree beforehand to share amps, but you shouldn't expect this to happen automatically unless you've arranged it. In particular, some people are not keen to let others use their amp heads, although speaker cabs are less of an issue.
whilst i understand this, and can see were you are coming from, you must understand how annoyed the autorun drummer was as he had draged the rest of his kit there.
I personally wouldnt have no problem lending some one my amp, but would have one regaurding lending my guitar. However i think that the issue here was that you guys had the only decent snare in the place and after bring the kit, he had more of a chance of getting a lend of it.
Im not saying you guys should have lent him it, i am saying that it would have been a nice jester. However it was purely up to your selves and you were entiled to the decision that you made.
Fortunely this exchange of words did not effect the gig in a major away, so all is good and the last thing we really need is a divide between the bands that took part.
[quote:ee2420d1ec]I think people should stop getting their knickers in a twist and just talk about what matters, and the only thing that matters is the performances and the music.
Well no, it's not the only thing that matters. Gig etiquette is really important if you're looking to play with other bands on a regular basis, and it seems that Autorun need to learn a bit about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in a gig situation with regards to the provision of gear.
It's definitely Not Acceptable to just turn up at the gig and ask to use someone's snare, and then throw a wobbly cos you can't have your way. Just as you should never turn up to a gig expecting to use any gear without prior arrangement.
you guys seem to have something of an attitude problem, which needs to be sorted if you want to get anywhere. At the moment, it seems like booking you guys for a gig is more hassle than it's worth, and always seems to end in some sort of drama.
the whole think has been taken well out of proportion. it was nothing major, and this could have been solved earlier if autorun had of asked for the lend of one prior the gig. so they now no for the future and thats it all sorted now.
It somewhat seems that the gig as a whole would not have happened if them guys from Autorun didnt offer to bring the full drum-kit ( minus a broken snare. ) If it wasnt for them there would have been no gig at all.
I'd be inclined to side with Autorun on this one. You can't compare a snare to a guitar, there are umpteen ways someone could fuck up your guitar but its fairly difficult to wreck a snare unless youre a complete moron. I think it would be fairly petty not to lend it to someone who supplied the rest of the kit for you to use, because everyone knows how much of a balix bringing the drums is. Cymbals are a different matter though.
Lending a snare is the same as lending a guitar - it's something you've most likely spent a lot of time with and got comfortable with....maybe even spent a hell of a lot of money on. To lend it to someone you dont know who could be shite or just incompetent and therefore liable to break it, is not on. This goes for all expensive gear, or gear that is specific to youself - I'd happily lend out my old Fender combo to anyone, but my sound city head? Not a chance.
So....was it actually a case of "no room on the car" or that it was broke? Coudlnt it have been carried on someones knee?
It's generally taken for granted that bands all bring their own cymbals and snare.......regardless of what else they're bringing...unless of course it's been sorted beforehand.
[quote:b5588db6f5="spirit of division"]
It's generally taken for granted that bands all bring their own cymbals and snare.......regardless of what else they're bringing...unless of course it's been sorted beforehand. [/quote:b5588db6f5]
I dont think that in the 9 years of sorting gigs (jesus I'm old) that any band has expected to be able to borrow such items, unless they'd sorted it themselves beforehand....though saying that, I think that EVERY band has brought their own snare at least. That's a lot of shows. A lot more bands.
We only found out about the gig a few days before we had to be playing. Eamon's snare drum was broken...so it was either ask for a snare to go with his whole kit (which is very expensive btw) or not bring drums and cancel the gig. I understand that replying "your not using my drums" isnt the right thing to do, however he plays like a jazz player, very clean and not too loud...and i noticed myself the man who didnt lend his snare out was beating the snare wif too much force on stage...surely its not that precious to him then.
if it's his snare, i don't think it's anyone's business how he plays it or who else uses it but his.
and you're all making a big deal about bringing the drum-kit or the gig would've been cancelled - you offered to bring it! no-one twisted your arm.
just because you've been 'kind' enough to do so doesn't mean you should be able to use that as leverage to get your own way on other matters pertaining to the running of the gig. so the gig may have been cancelled otherwise.. no offence to the Beard or The Front Page, they're both great.. but it's not like you rescued a sell-out show at Wembley or something.
I dont have a clue about drums really lol...i dont know how much a snare means to a drummer so i guess i dont understand really but yea it was my opinion at the time. i guess no1 should try force another to lend out their instrument although personally if someone asked me for a lend of my bass i would hand it to them if ya think about it...we're not kids we all know how to play and so i'd trust another musician with my instrument.
[quote:d6150420ae]and i noticed myself the man who didnt lend his snare out was beating the snare wif too much force on stage...surely its not that precious to him then. [/quote:d6150420ae]
It's one thing to kill your own gear - intentionally or not. To have someone else potentially do it sucks.
[quote:d6150420ae]To some people every gig is as important as the next one wether that be the front Page or Wembley. [/quote:d6150420ae]
As much as the FP has been good to me - and thank you Beard for all those wonderful nights - especially the Invasion Earth nights - are you on the same planet? A packed out Wembley Arena or a last minute FP show?! Argh. You should always play your best but they arent equal...would you turn down the filled out arean for FP? I doubt it. Jesus wept.
[quote:cc7de4e3cd="bassialfacial"]although personally if someone asked me for a lend of my bass i would hand it to them if ya think about it...we're not kids we all know how to play and so i'd trust another musician with my instrument.[/quote:cc7de4e3cd]
well that's fine, you can think/act that way - but trust me, your bass will come offstage minus its' lovely headstock or something some night. And that will be a lot of fun to sort out. Take it from someone who's experienced first-hand just how easy it is to break your guitar onstage.
[quote:abe8007aee="bassialfacial"]...and i noticed myself the man who didnt lend his snare out was beating the snare wif too much force on stage...surely its not that precious to him then.[/quote:abe8007aee]
woooooooooooow there captain, I beat the living sh1t outta my snare, I mean, really beat the life outta it. But this by no means reflects that I don't look after it nor care about, and I bet in a similar fashion this guys the same. And for the record i've lent out cymbals, and my double pedals in the past but never my snare that things like a 3rd ball to me, no ones gets to hit it but me!
MAKE IT STOP!!
The gig went well,especially with it being so short notice.
Autorun got a lend of a snare of Niyah Sky...it survived.
The Canizares snare didn't get hurt...just hit.
Autorun's Drumkit survived.
All the amps...survived.
God knows but some reason I'm still alive.
Basically all the bands helped supply the backline on that night and that's the way it generally works...and has done for god knows how long.
Autorun got a lend of a snare,maybe not the one they wanted but that's all there is too it.
Personally,as I used to be a drummer and have had the same thing happen to me,I'd have been thankful to get a lend of any snare available.
Some advice to all,if you ask nicely and pay people a little bit of respect they generally recipricate.If they don't they'll usually explain the reason why.Bit of decency and understanding...no?
Beggars can't be choosers...cause that's what happens when you're unlucky and you have to rely on other peoples charity.If the tables were turned...would you like that done to you?...down in Dublin?
Oh aye,one more thing...as with me and many other promoters,sound engineers etc.
Any attempt to deliberately damage or abuse anyone else's equipment will not be tolerated.A stage is not a playground and them's the rules.
Thanks to y'all for coming down and playing,t'was appreciated and I'll have y'all back at some point.Live an' learn folks.
don't wanna *really* get involved and in no way am i a drummer so not familiar with the rhythmic etiquette at hand here but, logic demeaning, can i raise a few pointers?...
A) why lie saying someone couldn't fit the snare in the car when it was broken? - it's not just the intelligence of fellow musicians you're insulting, but you're not doing your own astuteness a great deal of justice!
B) our drummer forgot his snare one night, plum forgot - no malign intent there. Situation? Phone up the house, send it down in a taxi (reputable firm, request receipt / taxi driver number).
C) in the end the gig went ahead, has been *likened* to wembley and some new bands got exposure; win win?
...and the snare was actually broken... thats why he didnt bring it down but anyways! good gig..every1 played well and there was actually not a bad audience either so lets just leave it at that...lessons were learnt and i had a great time playing and watching :D