1. avatar Hughesie
    Starbucks unveils own music label

    Starbucks has extended its brand to music, books and films
    Coffee house Starbucks is to launch its own music label, saying it will sign both established and new artists.
    The chain, which has 13,000 stores worldwide, has already released albums under its Hear Music brand, licensing songs from other companies.

    Starbucks bosses said the label would now become more independent and that music fitted with the firm's identity.

    No artists have yet been confirmed but it is expected to be officially launched in the next few weeks.

    'Powerful platform'

    Hear Music's biggest success so far has been the Grammy-winning Genius Loves Company, an album of Ray Charles duets.

    Starbucks has also opened four hybrid Hear Music Coffeehouses where customers can purchase music and burn it to CDs, and it has a branded page at Apple's online iTunes store.

    Glen Barros, president of Concord Music Group which will partner Hear Music, said recording artists should be attracted by the idea of a built-in audience in Starbucks, particularly at a time when digital downloading has created "a stressful time for the music industry".

    "This is a pretty powerful new platform, when you can reach 44 million customers per week through Starbucks stores."
  2. avatar T Entertainment
    In the light of this sinister development the least FF can do is organise a benefit gig for the rest of the record industry.
  3. avatar mooncat
    I wouldn't look down on this, if starbucks came p to any of you and offered your band a record deal would you turn it down?








    thought not...
  4. avatar T Entertainment
    Err, no, of course not. I was personally referring to the genuine calls for benefit gigs for already existing multi-million pound coffee shop ventures in Belfast when Starbucks scandalously announced they were setting up here.
  5. avatar tinpot anto
    There really *weren't* any genuine calls for anything of sort :roll:
  6. avatar T Entertainment
    There really was at least one sincere 'up with this sort of thing' pledge of support to an ironic suggestion of such a benefit.
    But mainly a lot of silly placard waving about a bloody coffee chain opening here like it's done everywhere else in the developed world.
  7. avatar zebulon
    Important as the various points made above undoubtedly are, the real issue is the extent to which this proposal threatens to displace jobs and force the closure of existing businesses in the music industry.

    Scenewreckers!
  8. avatar tinpot anto
    I went in a Starbucks and had a coffee in it the other day.

    It was a remarkably pleasant place to sit for 15 minutes, although the coffee itself was a bit "meh" and I felt really dirty about myself.

    What could I do, Arizona was like, bunged, and Kwikfit were taking *ages*.
  9. avatar Speed Demon
    The only way to follow up Kwikfit and Starbucks would have been to go to McDonalds for a burger.
  10. avatar tinpot anto
    I had just almost slid off the road, as my two front tires were slick as a baby's bum. It was Kwikfit or the RVH :) :lol:
  11. avatar remaderyan
    better going to belfast city tyres down opposite the gas works on the ormeau road! saved you a fortune!


    edit. Dont you just love it when some smart arse tells you how to save money after you've spent a load?
  12. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:962a9bea73="mooncat"]I wouldn't look down on this, if starbucks came p to any of you and offered your band a record deal would you turn it down?
    thought not...[/quote:962a9bea73]

    I would.
    I've never been in a starbucks and have many arguments when "friends" try to get me to go there.
    So yeah, I'd turn them down instantly

    Not likely to happen tho
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  14. avatar zebulon
    [quote:26e665d0a5="drakeguild"]Ah, I have the image of 30 somethings sitting drinking their frappachinos discussing wallpaper patterns listening to a James Blunt reincarnation over the speakers in Starbucks with a smug uber cool look about them. And just to reinforce the above sentiment, no I wouldn't. I would sooner shove 20 gallons of coffee up my arse.[/quote:26e665d0a5]
    While this is clearly the attitude to St*rbucks [i:26e665d0a5]here[/i:26e665d0a5] amongst young, vaguely socially aware musicians, I daresay in the United States, where this'll have the largest impact, the attitude'll be very different.
    As a successful US company, your average USian will a fAir deal of basic pride in and enthusiam for it.
  15. avatar remaderyan
    Can someone tell me exactly why we hate starbucks?

    Is it just because its a big corporate?

    Or do we hate that image of the people who sit there, kinda like people in 'friends' or are we simply pushing ourselves out of that 'ordinary' box?

    Am i supposed to not like starbucks in the same way i'm supposed to not like Microsoft? is it the Ethopia coffee thingy?

    i am genuine about this one, not trying to start a 'appart from x, y & z, what have the romans done for us?' type discussion I mean they were playing some Herbie Hancock in there when i was in there, and I like that. But people didnt like me at school and i dont feel part of that cool thing?

    :cry:
  16. avatar zebulon
    I think it's partly like the Microsoft thing, wherein they have a track record of using their size to close down small (local, in this case) businesses by using underhand tactics, and it's partly the Fair Trade thing, but it's also a reaction to the continuing homogenisation of the high street, whereby each large town now contains contains little else but the same franchises that appear in every other town and city.
  17. avatar kingmob
    A lot of it probably comes from its appearance (and slating) in uber-cool, totally unreadable, turn of the century, anti-capitalist 'classic':

    [img:14f68efdd1]http://www.cherryflava.com/photos/uncategorized/nologo.gif[/img:14f68efdd1]

    I don't like them because their beverages taste more like coffee flavoured milk than an actual proper cup of coffee.
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  18. avatar my-angel-rocks
    My dislike comes partly from their predatory business practices (not so obvious here, but very much so in the US) and partly the homogenisation thing.

    I'd like to say that it was the fair trade thing (although starbucks do claim to use a sort of fairly traded coffee but its not an official Fairtrade (tm) product), but it would be very hypocritical of me as I don't really practice that else where.

    I like the idea of supporting the little guys who try their best and do it for a love of what they do rather than for making a fast buck.

    And if I'm honest, I like to pretend that I'm going against the grain in the things I do and that the drink I got in some small cafe isn't the same drink thats being enjoyed by millions of people around the world, but thats just the pretentious wanker inside me fighting the fact that I'm drinking a coke...
  19. avatar tinpot anto
    I know the guy who owns Arizona. He laughed heartily when the Starbucks opened across the way, and even a pedestrian crossing appeared between the two.

    His opinion was that it was like opening a McDOnalds across from Deane's and expecting anyone to notice. No one has.

    You'll notice I say I only went into Starbuck's because I couldn't get a seat in Arizona. :lol:
  20. avatar remaderyan
    so its cooler not to like them?

    On the microsoft thing, we almost all use windows. Some have linux's installed but thats a minority surely?

    I know what you mean about the highstreet, but if your not a business owner then why would anyone care? Do we care because businesses have made us believe we have some sort of a stake in their businesses? Most of the coffee shops i've been in have some really rude staff while their tea/coffee taste like piss. Surely what differentiates a town from any other is the people, culture, history, surroundings not just brands?
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  22. avatar zebulon
    I forgot to add the item which kingmob has mentioned, Starbucks sell milk-heavy larger beverages because they can make more money from them. If you want a proper cappuccino, ask for a [b:b860804d12]small[/b:b860804d12] one. It's not advertised, but it's available. It's the industry standard cup size for a single cappuccino and latte and is the size used in all the barista judging competitions. I think it's 6 or 8 oz.
  23. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:c54e3d9510="tinpot anto"]His opinion was that it was like opening a McDOnalds across from Deane's and expecting anyone to notice. No one has.
    [/quote:c54e3d9510]

    Thats what I meant when I said it wasn't such an issue here (thankfully). In Northern Ireland we seem to be much more loyal and religious about our cafes and bars. For some reason that I don't know.
  24. avatar zebulon
    [quote:a27605a281="remaderyan"]so its cooler not to like them?[/quote:a27605a281]
    If you need to feel like it's cool, fine, but I don't think it's got much to do with it.

    [quote:a27605a281="remaderyan"]On the microsoft thing, we almost all use windows. Some have linux's installed but thats a minority surely?[/quote:a27605a281]Most of us have Windows-based PCs thanks to MS's aggressive and underhand business tactics, not because it's an inherently better product. Which is why MS garner such dislike.

    [quote:a27605a281="remaderyan"]I know what you mean about the highstreet, but if your not a business owner then why would anyone care?[/quote:a27605a281]
    Local business owners tend to buy their stock and spend their earnings money locally, unlike large multinationals who's stock comes from centrally sourced cheap mass-producers, and the profits go to the corporation, which tends to be in a different company.
    It's about investing in your local economy.

    [quote:a27605a281="remaderyan"]Surely what differentiates a town from any other is the people, culture, history, surroundings not just brands?[/quote:a27605a281]
    You're absolutely right.
    Culture, history, surroundings. These are three things that are being stamped out by the homogenisation (and gentrification, but that's a another story) of large towns and cities.
    When your surroundings could be any city in the Western World, your history has been stamped out, you'll have standard TV-lite culture and it'll be horizon to horizon brands.
  25. avatar Bones
    http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-starbucks.html

    the ceo fo starbucks is a right-wing prick , would u really want him to be signing your band?
  26. avatar fastfude
    [url=http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28657]we're all laughing now, but...[/url]
  27. avatar Wd-adam
    I study at Uni in St Andrews and we've got about 7 or 8 coffee shops (that come to mind) on two wee main streets. One is starbucks, one is Costa and the rest are wee independents for the most part. So if you're annoyed that Starbucks has stiffled coffee shop competition in your area. Come over here.
  28. avatar The Ronster
    [size=24:4e0f44a298]I HATE STARBUCKS!!!!![/size:4e0f44a298]

    Course, I also hate the smell of coffee...
  29. avatar T Entertainment
    Did some sort of coffee-related incident cause you shame and humiliation as a child, Ron?
    Like sports day? Come on, you're amongst friends.
  30. avatar domhnall
    There wasn't too much objection here when Wetherspoons came to town?

    How many people think it's ok to drink in Wetherspoons- a large, centrally stocked & managed pub chain, who have been demonstrated to use the exact same aggressive business tactics as Starbucks, but will refuse to drink in starbucks because they're so corporate? :shock:
  31. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:a13d6760b5="domhnall"]who have been demonstrated to use the exact same aggressive business tactics as Starbucks[/quote:a13d6760b5]

    They don't oversaturate a market running at an individual loss hoping for a larger gain do they?

    Belfast has one Weatherspoons (I think, I try to avoid it). If they ran the Starbucks standard policy there'd be one across the road from every other pub in the city.
  32. avatar rentaghost
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  33. avatar domhnall
    [quote:1950e1c169="my-angel-rocks"][quote:1950e1c169="domhnall"]who have been demonstrated to use the exact same aggressive business tactics as Starbucks[/quote:1950e1c169]

    They don't oversaturate a market running at an individual loss hoping for a larger gain do they?

    Belfast has one Weatherspoons (I think, I try to avoid it). If they ran the Starbucks standard policy there'd be one across the road from every other pub in the city.[/quote:1950e1c169]

    Yes, they do. If there is a site that they really want, they'll buy or open competing and loss-making bars all around the site to force it to close, and then buy it cheaply. The exact same as Starbuck's. Also, they do over saturate the market, especially in England. They force feed the market excessively cheap drink which forces the average price down, thus causeing the whole anti-social behavour 'epidemic'.

    They can't really get away with it here because of the surrender principle governing licenses (i.e. there are a finite number of licenses and strict rules regarding their transfer). Though their cheap drink marketing still applies here.
  34. avatar zebulon
    [quote:0378d477fb="domhnall"]Yes, they do. If there is a site that they really want, they'll buy or open competing and loss-making bars all around the site to force it to close, and then buy it cheaply. The exact same as Starbuck's. Also, they do over saturate the market, especially in England. They force feed the market excessively cheap drink which forces the average price down, thus causeing the whole anti-social behavour 'epidemic'.

    They can't really get away with it here because of the surrender principle governing licenses (i.e. there are a finite number of licenses and strict rules regarding their transfer). Though their cheap drink marketing still applies here.[/quote:0378d477fb]

    I think the difference between Starbucks and Wetherspoons in this example is that once Starbucks have cleared out their competition, they put their prices back up again, whereas Wetherspoons entire marketing concept revolves around [i:0378d477fb]keeping[/i:0378d477fb] the prices very low.
  35. avatar my-angel-rocks
    [quote:0ee28f29ce="domhnall"]Yes, they do. If there is a site that they really want, they'll buy or open competing and loss-making bars all around the site to force it to close, and then buy it cheaply. The exact same as Starbuck's. Also, they do over saturate the market, especially in England. They force feed the market excessively cheap drink which forces the average price down, thus causeing the whole anti-social behavour 'epidemic'.

    They can't really get away with it here because of the surrender principle governing licenses (i.e. there are a finite number of licenses and strict rules regarding their transfer). Though their cheap drink marketing still applies here.[/quote:0ee28f29ce]

    I hadn't realised that, but then I don't frequent bars often enough to know, or really care too much.
  36. avatar rentaghost
    [quote:66cae99db9="domhnall"]
    They can't really get away with it here because of the surrender principle governing licenses (i.e. there are a finite number of licenses and strict rules regarding their transfer). Though their cheap drink marketing still applies here.[/quote:66cae99db9]

    which of course is being done away with, in a decision that defies all logic.
  37. avatar comprachio
    I remember seeing a small indie called 'Amazon Records' and it got me thinkin. Imagine if Amazon decided to start a label... or itunes label. Surely that'll happen some day.
  38. avatar i_amannie_b
    am i the only person who doesn't have a problem with a good mug of hot chocolate in starbucks?
    lol
    Personally, i think yous are going a bit too far.
    But yeh, i respect that yous aren't gonna have the same opinion as me.
  39. avatar 3cigarettes
    [quote:a828753198]SEATTLE -
    Paul McCartney was introduced Wednesday as the first artist signed to Starbucks Corp.'s new record label. The former Beatle made an appearance via a video feed from London at the company's annual meeting.

    The world's largest specialty coffee retailer announced earlier this month that it was partnering with Concord Music Group to launch the Los Angeles-based Hear Music label.[/quote:a828753198]

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070321/ap_on_en_mu/starbucks_mccartney